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| +MrHairgrease | so matt | 15:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what;s up? | 15:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey guys | 17:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do you celebrate labor day? | 17:07 |
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| xdanger | yeah, by not doing any labor ;) | 17:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm not | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | frickin commies! =) | 17:16 |
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| @pbmdawg | is today labor day? | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | YEah supposedly | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Joeri just told me | 17:16 |
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| @pbmdawg | labor day is in September | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no man | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it is today | 17:17 |
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| @pbmdawg | in USA it's in September | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | must be the timezones | 17:17 |
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| Baylink | I suspect it's because the holiday means different things to different people. | 17:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | :) | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It's no holliday in Holland | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | evrybody here just works | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Anybody who wants to POD the new graphing stuff? | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I pretty much have had it with doing that =) | 17:47 |
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| Baylink | Work? Aiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee! | 17:47 |
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| * Baylink runs screaming into the darkness | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | typical... | 17:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:48 |
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| Baylink | :-) | 17:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 18:38 |
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| +crythias | am I reading something right? | 21:32 |
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| +crythias | pbmdawg | 21:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | crythias | 21:33 |
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| +crythias | heya | 21:33 |
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| @pbmdawg | what are you reading | 21:34 |
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| +crythias | $420/year to host with plainblack *and* I get the $500 support? | 21:34 |
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| @pbmdawg | yep | 21:34 |
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| @pbmdawg | heh | 21:34 |
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| +crythias | my brain is a little slow. | 21:34 |
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| +crythias | sometimes. | 21:34 |
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| +crythias | especially when I don't see things side by side. | 21:35 |
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| +crythias | well, um... ok, Would I need to upgrade my site to 6.8.latest and would I be able to port it to plainblack.com? | 21:35 |
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| @pbmdawg | depends on what version it is now | 21:36 |
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| +crythias | 678 | 21:36 |
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| +crythias | I've been lazy | 21:36 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeah; roy will upgrade it for you | 21:36 |
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| +crythias | Can I host multiple domains on one account? | 21:37 |
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| +crythias | hee | 21:50 |
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| +crythias | "MC Escher" --"He's not a true emcee" What? is he a sucka emcee? | 21:50 |
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| * crythias skids by... | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey dude | 22:07 |
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| +crythias | greetings | 22:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how's life | 22:07 |
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| +crythias | not bad not bad. | 22:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | very good | 22:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | matt | 22:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | [ 1475206 ] admin's create new user form displays self's profile | 22:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that bug does not reproduce | 22:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | can you confirm? | 22:24 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh | 22:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | 6.99? | 22:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeah; it must be my browser auto-populating or something | 22:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | latest svn update | 22:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 22:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | shall i close it? | 22:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | sure if you're sure you can't reproduce (add stuff to admin's profile first) | 22:33 |
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| @pbmdawg | then try | 22:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i did | 22:33 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh ok | 22:35 |
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| @pbmdawg | thanks | 22:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | np | 22:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's labor day after all =) | 22:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | another question: should it go into the changelog? | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's not actually a bug after all.. | 22:48 |
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| @pbmdawg | nope; just close | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:49 |
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| +crythias | hee | 23:07 |
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| +crythias | If at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you. | 23:07 |
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| xdanger | interesting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari... | 14:04 |
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| nbcccorp | what is a comment char in the webgui site .conf files? | 16:32 |
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| xdanger | # | 16:36 |
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| xdanger | isn't it "allways" # | 16:36 |
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| nbcccorp | well... sometimes it's ; or ' or /* or // | 16:37 |
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| nbcccorp | thanks though. | 16:38 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hey Martin :) | 17:22 |
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| wouter_procolix | and hi everybody of course :) | 17:23 |
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| +crythias | hi | 17:23 |
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| wouter_procolix | Does someone know what $dt->monthCount should return? | 17:23 |
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| wouter_procolix | for example if start = January 31 and end = February 1 ? | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wouter! | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | doesn't the pod say what it should do? | 17:24 |
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| wouter_procolix | POD: "Returns the number of months between the start and end dates (inclusive)." | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | So, "February 1" minus "January 31" is 0-2 days, depending on the time. | 17:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | But how many months is that? | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in that case it should return the number of months between the start and end date | 17:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | 0, or 1, or 2? | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 2 | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I guess | 17:25 |
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| +crythias | 2? | 17:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, then it's wrong, because it does: | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | _inclusive_ | 17:26 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $duration = $end - $start; | 17:26 |
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| wouter_procolix | return $duration->delta_months; | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so that's jan, feb | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 2 months | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Oh | 17:26 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I would say that too. But than you can't do "$end - $start", that makes no sense. | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | But how do you define a month | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it can be 28 29 30 or 31 days | 17:26 |
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| +crythias | it'd be 0 or 1 | 17:26 |
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| +crythias | likely 1 | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | The code agrees with crythias | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but the pod isn't | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what is it used for? | 17:27 |
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| +crythias | it doesn't care about days. | 17:27 |
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| +crythias | Feb-Jan=1 month | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I mean where is it in use | 17:28 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes, but is the code correct? In that case I would have to use another function or implement my own one. | 17:28 |
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| +crythias | The code is correct, likely, because the *general* usage is months in the sense of calendar, not in groups of 30 days. | 17:29 |
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| Baylink | Based on that original definition, it's undefined. Date math has to include a year | 17:30 |
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| +crythias | well, yes, I assumed within the same year, but you're correct. | 17:31 |
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| Baylink | Any function which does not must give undefined results. | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah the year is 2006 | 17:31 |
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| Baylink | *even* if they're in the same year. | 17:31 |
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| +crythias | and it's probably still using epochs to do math. | 17:31 |
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| Baylink | Worst case, the function must assume "this year", and *say so* | 17:31 |
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| wouter_procolix | Well in that case "31 Aug" - "31 Jun" is three months, while "31 Mar" - "31 Jan" is 2 months ??? | 17:31 |
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| wouter_procolix | Oh no, that's not true. | 17:31 |
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| wouter_procolix | That depends on how "delta_months" is implemented... | 17:32 |
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| wouter_procolix | argh I'm confused. | 17:32 |
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| +crythias | I agree. how are params passed? You say subtract first then get the answer? | 17:32 |
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| Baylink | "how many months is it between two dates" is also undefined. | 17:32 |
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| +crythias | where is it? | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | delta_months is a DateTime method right? | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | check the docs of DateTime | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes. | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | Params are epoch. | 17:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there your answr lies | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | sub monthCount { | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $self = shift; | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $start = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $end = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $duration = $end - $start; | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | return $duration->delta_months; | 17:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | } | 17:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I guess DateTime overloads the - operator | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so whats the result of that? | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | DateTime::Difference or something? | 17:34 |
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| wouter_procolix | epoch is just an integer, isn't it? | 17:34 |
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| +crythias | epoch is integer, yes | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no your substracting two objects | 17:34 |
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| wouter_procolix | So the minus operator gives just the result in seconds. | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:35 |
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| +crythias | this is line 634 of WebGUI\Session\DateTime.pm, btw | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is a constructor | 17:35 |
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| wouter_procolix | Ah yes, I see it now. | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | So the behaviour of your sub is determined by the DateTime magic | 17:35 |
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| wouter_procolix | okay. | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in delta_months | 17:36 |
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| wouter_procolix | I'll try to find the documentation of that. | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Time to do the dishes | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I've managed to postpone that tedious task for about a week and a half | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | But now I must do it | 17:36 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yikes. Well, good luck. Have fun :) | 17:37 |
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| * MrHairgrease is beaten by dirty pot's and dishes... | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 17:37 |
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| wouter_procolix | And thanks to all for the reactions. | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | are you working tomorrow | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | @procolix | 17:37 |
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| wouter_procolix | Nope. | 17:37 |
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| wouter_procolix | I'm working today :) | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Have you seen my email about the perl workshop? | 17:38 |
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| +crythias | my $dt = DateTime->new( year => 1066, month => 10, day => 25, hour => 7, minute => 15, second => 47, nanosecond => 500000000, time_zone => 'America/Chicago', ); | 17:38 |
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| +crythias | sorry | 17:38 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes I have seen the mail. Maybe I'll go to it. It would be interesting for me I guess | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah sure | 17:38 |
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| wouter_procolix | And not to far away :) | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I read we'll have to register before monday | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or no free lunch | 17:39 |
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| wouter_procolix | LOL | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | five miutes walk... | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the free lunch part was meant literally | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | they have to order a week in advance or so | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm going afk to wash up | 17:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:40 |
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| wouter_procolix | bye bye | 17:40 |
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| +crythias | delta_month doesn't appear in DateTime-0.30 | 17:41 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hm, I'll check what version I have. | 17:41 |
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| +crythias | that is to say... | 17:42 |
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| +crythias | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime.pm | 17:42 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hm, strange, I couldn't find it in the WebGUI files either. | 17:42 |
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| wouter_procolix | Maybe in one of the DateTime::xxxx modules? | 17:42 |
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| wouter_procolix | Ah: DateTime::Duration | 17:43 |
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| wouter_procolix | sub delta_months { $_[0]->{months} } | 17:43 |
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| +crythias | from_epoch( epoch => $epoch, ... ) This class method can be used to construct a new DateTime object from an epoch time | 17:44 |
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| +crythias | from where did you get that? | 17:50 |
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| wouter_procolix | The "sub delta_months" came from DateTime::Duration | 17:51 |
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| +crythias | still.. | 17:51 |
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| +crythias | I think the subtraction $end-$start is ... | 17:52 |
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| wouter_procolix | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime.pm#Datetime_Subtraction | 17:52 |
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| +crythias | yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss.nnnnnnnnn- | 17:52 |
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| +crythias | yeah | 17:52 |
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| +crythias | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime/Duration.pm | 17:53 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I'm just reading that page, but I can't find exactly what it does. | 17:54 |
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| +crythias | I agree | 17:54 |
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| wouter_procolix | I think that from "Feb 28" to "March 28" is 1 month. | 17:54 |
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| wouter_procolix | And "March 30" to "April 30" is also 1 month. | 17:55 |
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| wouter_procolix | But "March 31" to "April 30" is ambiguous than... | 17:55 |
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| wouter_procolix | Is it 1 month? Or 4 weeks and 2 days? | 17:55 |
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| wouter_procolix | brb | 17:57 |
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| +crythias | checking | 18:00 |
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| +crythias | unfortunately I am still running an old version. | 18:01 |
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| +crythias | of WG. No DateTime. | 18:01 |
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| +crythias | wow. | 18:02 |
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| +crythias | DateTime isn't a trivial install | 18:02 |
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| wouter_procolix | No, I did a WebGUI install a few weeks ago and also had some problems with DateTime :( | 18:03 |
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| +crythias | portinstall p5-DateTime :) | 18:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | portinstall ? | 18:04 |
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| Luke___ | hi | 18:04 |
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| +crythias | completed. Yeah. portinstall is freebsd | 18:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | ah. | 18:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | hi @ luke | 18:04 |
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| +crythias | weird. | 18:05 |
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| Luke___ | somebody worked with matrix wobject ? | 18:05 |
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| Luke___ | i can´t delete fields...:-) | 18:05 |
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| wouter_procolix | @Luke: no, I have not used it yet. | 18:06 |
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| +crythias | wouter: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uyHwrO92.html | 18:06 |
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| +crythias | I think I did it right. | 18:06 |
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| +crythias | returns .. zero? | 18:06 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes, returns 0. | 18:07 |
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| +crythias | then it makes a hash from the - | 18:08 |
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| +crythias | 30 may minus 31 march = 1 | 18:09 |
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| Baylink | This is 7.0b1 stuff, guys? | 18:09 |
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| wouter_procolix | It's about DateTime and DateTime::Duration, and yeah they're in WebGUI since version 6.99 or so | 18:10 |
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| +crythias | 30 may minus 1 march -2 | 18:10 |
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| +crythias | er | 18:10 |
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| Baylink | Got it. | 18:10 |
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| +crythias | 30 May minus 1 Mar = 2 | 18:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | ??? | 18:11 |
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| +crythias | try it out | 18:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | That's unexpected... | 18:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, so it's 2 months and 30 days. | 18:12 |
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| wouter_procolix | And it returns just one element of the array... | 18:12 |
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| wouter_procolix | In this case "2" months. | 18:12 |
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| +crythias | check again | 18:12 |
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| +crythias | 30 may minus 31 march is 1 | 18:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | I did "May 31" minus "March 1" and that returned 2. | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's not weird | 18:13 |
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| +crythias | oh. | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | march april may | 18:13 |
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| +crythias | oh. wait, yes, it would | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | two months and some days diff | 18:13 |
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| +crythias | may 31 - march 1 is 2 | 18:13 |
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| * MrHairgrease has quit doing the dishes | 18:14 |
| +crythias | may 30 - mar 31 is 1 | 18:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | 30 may minus 31 march is ambiguous, but it probably depends on some variable (I forgot the name) | 18:14 |
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| * MrHairgrease wants to practice the sirtaki | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 18:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | wrap | limit | preserved | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | You can bet DateTime does it the correct way | 18:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah I trust that, I just want to understand what it does, so that I know if I can use that function. | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | end_of_month_mode | 18:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | Returns one of "wrap", "limit", or "preserve". | 18:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that seem a valid strategy | 18:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | If you specify "end_of_month" mode as "preserve", the same calculation is done as for "limit" except that if the original date is at the end of the month the new date will also be. For instance, adding one month to Feb 29, 2000 will result in Mar 31, 2000. | 18:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | Now that's weird, but I guess date math is just weird by definition :) | 18:16 |
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| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/YTzksB26.html | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there's no bigger pain than date math | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | think of it | 18:16 |
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| +crythias | kidney stones. | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | months are not a unique length | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and the length of a month can change depending on the year | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | those gregorians must have been on some serious drugs | 18:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes, but I expected/hoped that $dt->monthCount would return the number of different months are in the given interval. But that turns out not to be the case. | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah, and then there's timezones and daylight saving time ..... ARGH! | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that you can figure out quite easily | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there's always a constant number of months in a year | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | luckily | 18:18 |
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| wouter_procolix | Anyway, the Events Calendar is working almost perfectly fine now :) | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | That's cool | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It was kind of a mess | 18:18 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah, you can say that. | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | to put it euphamytically | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | eufmistically | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | whatever | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I can spell the friggen word in ducth | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Luke | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | post your bug to the tracker on sourceforge | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and I will have a look on it tomorrow | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what version are you on? | 18:20 |
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| Baylink | euphemistically | 18:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | eufemistisch | 18:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's how you spell it in dutch | 18:22 |
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| wouter_procolix | http://www.vandale.nl/opzoeken/woordenboek/?zoekwoord=eufemistisch | 18:22 |
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| +crythias | no, cluster foxtrot is a euphemism. a mess, is mildly, yet inadequately descriptive. | 18:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I don't not know what a cluster foxtrot is | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and I'm not entirely sure I want to know =) | 18:23 |
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| +crythias | foxtrot is merely a word to indicate the letter "F" | 18:24 |
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| * MrHairgrease is at a loss | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | please explain | 18:24 |
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| +crythias | http://www.travel-images.com/alpha-zulu.html | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah I know _that_ | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I meant the cluster F thing | 18:25 |
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| +crythias | I'm being polite. | 18:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no need for that | 18:25 |
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| +crythias | foobar | 18:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm from rural holland | 18:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | He guys, I'm going to leave you now. See you later. | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bye | 18:27 |
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| wouter_procolix | And Martin, I'll mail you about the Perl thing. I'll have to check if I have time for it. | 18:27 |
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| wouter_procolix | Are you goin? | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yups | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yung also goes i think | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and maybe len | 18:27 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, great :) | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll email them and then we'll see | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Oh yeah | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and we have to pry loose some money from our beloved employers =) | 18:28 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, see you later! | 18:28 |
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| +crythias | wow | 20:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | ? | 20:09 |
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| +crythias | I've been at the top of google for a few searches, but I got a referal link from another site | 20:09 |
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| +crythias | this regarding my pc anywhere with dynamic ip. | 20:10 |
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| +crythias | I've gotten referral links from google and other search engines, and one mention from expertexchange to which I made a reciprocal link. | 20:11 |
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| +crythias | And I have had some del.icio.us referals, but now I've received another link. :) yay. | 20:12 |
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| xdanger | interesting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari... | 20:27 |
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| xdanger | nice one | 20:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Len! | 16:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Are you going to teh perl workshop? | 16:29 |
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| lenthamen | hey martin ! | 16:32 |
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| lenthamen | weet het nog niet... | 16:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | je schijnt voor maandag te moeten boeken | 16:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anders geen gratis lunch... | 16:32 |
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| +crythias | ooh. I heard free lunch | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | aint no susch thing | 16:33 |
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| lenthamen | ow... Dan ga ik niet. Eind deze maand ga ik een week met de motor naar de dolomieten en ik ben thuis ook nog druk aan het verhuizen... | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | such* | 16:33 |
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| +crythias | heh | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | jammer | 16:33 |
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| lenthamen | jij gaat wel ? | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | waarheen ga je verhuizen? | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ja | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yung ook | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | en wouter waarschijnlijk | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | je kan je ook na maandag nog inschrijven | 16:34 |
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| lenthamen | hehe, intern verhuizen... er komt gezinsuitbreiding aan dus mijn werkkamer moet naar zolder :( | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh joh | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hoe lang nog? | 16:34 |
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| lenthamen | eind augustus uitgerekend... | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | check | 16:35 |
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| lenthamen | Dus ik kan ook niet mee naar las vegas _snik_ | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dat is wel jammer | 16:35 |
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| lenthamen | baal als een stekker... | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maar de wuc is pas half september | 16:35 |
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| lenthamen | hehe | 16:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | na twee weken kan je ega het toch wel weer aan? =) | 16:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dat krijg je ervan.... | 16:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | van kerstmis dat is | 16:36 |
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| lenthamen | Of van sinterklaas... | 16:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nu krijg ik allemaal beelden | 16:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dank je.... | 16:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | je had je baard opgeplakt? | 16:37 |
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| lenthamen | "Kijk eens wat sinterklaas voor jou uit spanje meegenomen heeft" :) | 16:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | gast | 16:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | toch niet een cadeautje? | 16:38 |
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| lenthamen | pfff is het bij jullie ook zo fucking heet ? | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ja | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | en ik ben bezig met javascript | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | en pod | 16:39 |
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| lenthamen | ow | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dus het zuigt een beetje vandaag | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | js heeft dus geen block scoping heh | 16:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ontzettend arelekst | 16:40 |
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| lenthamen | heh dan heb je php nog niet gezien :D | 16:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dus nu werk ik met variabelen als: s_OdVKRthyqrb8GK_aDzqYzQ.setMaximum(100); | 16:40 |
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| lenthamen | oei | 16:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | psies | 16:40 |
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| lenthamen | was je nog naar a'dam.pm geweest ? | 16:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://rafb.net/paste/results/60VFNn28.html | 16:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | check dat | 16:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | adam.pm? nee | 16:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | geen tijd | 16:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maar ik ga het dus goed maken op de perl workshop | 16:42 |
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| lenthamen | Ik ga zo naar de surf winkel. | 16:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | surf winkel? | 16:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | borden enzo? | 16:44 |
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| lenthamen | yep | 16:45 |
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| lenthamen | ga een wetsuit kopen. | 16:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | waarvoor | 16:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ben jij zo'n surferdude? | 16:46 |
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| lenthamen | ik doe sinds kort 's avonds mee met de surfclub hier in almere.... | 16:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is het nu wel lekkah weer voor | 16:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | mits het waait natuurlijk | 16:47 |
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| lenthamen | precies.. heeft koen al een huis op de kop getikt ? | 16:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hij is nog zoekende heb ik begrepen | 16:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | fucking dordrecht... | 16:49 |
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| lenthamen | Is webgui 7 echt 100x sneller ? | 16:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nou | 16:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 100x is misschien een beetje overdreven | 16:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maar het is wel sneller ja | 16:50 |
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| lenthamen | ok :) | 16:50 |
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| xdanger | is it possible to force a user to edit his/her profile on login ? | 16:57 |
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| +crythias | I think it's possible if you have fields that are obligatory. | 16:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | only on anon reg | 16:58 |
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| +crythias | but *every* logon? | 16:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | only anonymous reg | 16:58 |
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| xdanger | I'm supposed to do a batch of user generation based on a the information in a CS, and there are some information missing | 16:58 |
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| xdanger | Just would like to do that on the "next" login for everyone | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that is not a wg feature | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you want to do that you have to rig WebGUI::Auth | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or WG::Auth::WebGUI | 17:00 |
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| xdanger | I don't want that to happen to my other webgui sites =P | 17:01 |
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| xdanger | on the same installation | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I can imagine | 17:01 |
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| xdanger | but yeah, that could work... | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Maybe you can build a macro | 17:01 |
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| xdanger | maybe someone would need this feature ? "forceUserToUpdateProfile" ;) | 17:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if user profiles are not complete it should redirect the user to op=editProfile | 17:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you can put that macro in your style | 17:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that should work. | 17:02 |
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| xdanger | hmm... not bad... | 17:03 |
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| xdanger | or a link with blinking red texti size 32px "Update your profile" | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:03 |
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| lenthamen | maybe an SQL REport that checks if profile data is present, and if not it prints a <meta refresh> to ?op=editProfile ? | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that won't force em | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I would go for the macro | 17:04 |
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| xdanger | is there a macro to probe the profile data ? | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not that i know of anyway | 17:04 |
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| xdanger | damn... I think i'll make one then ;) | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but you can use the api | 17:04 |
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| lenthamen | ^User ? | 17:04 |
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| lenthamen | ^User(someField); will give you the content of the profiel field "someField". | 17:05 |
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| xdanger | a right... thanks | 17:05 |
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| xdanger | if I add a hidden profile field kindof "lastUpdated" and check for that, then I wouldn't really need to create anything "new" | 17:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 17:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 17:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if that would work that is | 17:07 |
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| lenthamen | Martin: I thought someone @procolix was working on a "upload image" function directly in the html editor ? | 17:08 |
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| lenthamen | Martin: or am I wrong ? | 17:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 17:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think he already put it in | 17:09 |
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| lenthamen | ok.. | 17:09 |
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| Trebbor123 | Oh, that's cool. :) | 17:09 |
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| lenthamen | I'm going offline. ttyl. | 17:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah it is =) | 17:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok later | 17:11 |
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| Trebbor123 | MrHairgrease, where are you from? | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Delft | 17:16 |
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| Trebbor123 | Ah, that's what I thought. Nederlands dus. | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and you | 17:17 |
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| Trebbor123 | Groningen | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | essentkabel.com | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | My brother lives there | 17:17 |
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| Trebbor123 | Haha, funny | 17:17 |
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| Trebbor123 | My brother also. :P | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well well | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what a coincidence | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:19 |
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| Trebbor123 | But what I was wondering. Do you use WebGUI's Pagetree plugin for TinyMCE often? | 17:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nope | 17:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I don't use timymce that much | 17:20 |
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| Trebbor123 | Oh, okay. :) Nevermind then. | 17:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I just code and code and code =) | 17:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is it broken? | 17:20 |
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| Trebbor123 | No, I didn't also before updating to 6.8 | 17:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sorry? | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pls explain | 17:21 |
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| Trebbor123 | No, it's not. I only wondered why it only creates links to pages (or asseturl's actually) | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:22 |
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| Trebbor123 | The reason I bring this up is because I get a lot of questions from co-workers about how to add a link to a file or image that's already inserted in WebGUI. | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and the images do not show up in the asset tree? | 17:23 |
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| Trebbor123 | So I was thinking (and adjusted it for myself) why not use the Pagetree function of WebGUI, rename it to External link, and let the pagetree be able to link to the files and images | 17:23 |
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| Trebbor123 | They do, but if you insert them it will pass the asset URL not the real File or Image URL. | 17:24 |
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| Trebbor123 | In my opinion you don't want that. :) | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Well you do | 17:24 |
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| Trebbor123 | Why? | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but embedded in a FileUrl macro | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you insert the /uploads/bla/bla/etc url directly | 17:25 |
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| Trebbor123 | That's also possible. This way the image or file can be changed without adjusting the url you mean. | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you are not safe for versioning | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you change an image a new entry in the uploads folder is made | 17:25 |
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| Trebbor123 | That's true. | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | therefore: use ^FileUrl; | 17:26 |
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| Trebbor123 | That's a good tip. | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It will save you lots of headache | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which is a Good Thing of course | 17:26 |
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| Trebbor123 | But I was wondering if I should post this as a contribution. Because I couldn't think of any reason why it should return assetURL's of files and images. | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | contribution where? | 17:27 |
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| Trebbor123 | So that's why I asked if you use it often, so I could find out if more people need this. | 17:28 |
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| Trebbor123 | To Plainblack? | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure why not | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | robbert: marc is leaving | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | did you check out the new intl tool? | 17:29 |
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| Trebbor123 | Yep, I'm working on it right now. :) | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah very cool | 17:29 |
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| Trebbor123 | No, it's hot. | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes it is | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | also in Groningen? | 17:29 |
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| Trebbor123 | Good thing we have aircoditioning. | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you lucky bastard | 17:29 |
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| Trebbor123 | Even in Groningen. :) | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | we only have windows | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:30 |
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| xdanger | I think I'm done for today... now I'm going to outside in to the sunshine and have some beer ;) | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | now that's a good idea | 17:30 |
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| xdanger | It's something like 21 degs. of celsius | 17:30 |
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| * MrHairgrease grabs a beer from the fridge | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | here it's about 25 or so | 17:30 |
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| xdanger | 21.1°C | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and very moist | 17:31 |
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| xdanger | not a single cloud in the sky =) | 17:31 |
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| Trebbor123 | Well, I'm also going then. Enjoy the weather. | 17:31 |
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| xdanger | I'm going to a bar's terrace... Not quite sure how that's correctly said in english =) | 17:31 |
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| Trebbor123 | Bye | 17:34 |
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| fdillon | howdy | 21:23 |
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| +crythias | howdy | 21:38 |
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| +crythias | new release of webgui without announcemnent? | 21:43 |
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| fdillon | ? | 21:43 |
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| fdillon | not that I'm aware | 21:44 |
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| fdillon | but I'm not aware of much when it comes to WG releases | 21:44 |
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| +crythias | ok. it just wasn't on "news" | 21:59 |
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| +crythias | ack | 22:33 |
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| +crythias | I'm so far behind my upgrade path. | 22:34 |
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| +crythias | arg! | 23:08 |
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| +crythias | I'm not able to upgrade. | 23:11 |
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| +crythias | stupid stupid grr | 23:12 |
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| +crythias | I"m stuck on 6.7.3 | 23:12 |
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| +crythias | stupid apacherequest probs | 23:12 |
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| +crythias | wowserz | 23:19 |
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| +crythias | you know it's really sick when the answer to your google question is your own post. | 23:22 |
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| siriousje | sadly, we lost the offer (wg frontend + java backend), eventhough it was at least 1/10th of the costs | 01:31 |
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| siriousje | s/offer/prospect/ | 01:32 |
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| siriousje | sometimes I just get mad when clients put off 'perl based' solutions as amateuristic | 01:33 |
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| +crythias | zelda twilight princess playing on wii.. live | 19:55 |
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| luke___ | hi * | 01:15 |
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| luke___ | I´m not longer to lame to read BitchX.doc :-) | 01:15 |
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| xdanger | http://www.google.com/trends?q=webgui&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all | 14:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 14:55 |
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| xdanger | played around with 6.99 last night and have say it has potential ;) | 14:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no americams looking for webgui... | 14:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has | 14:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has eye candy =) | 14:55 |
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| xdanger | this is alarming: http://www.google.com/trends?q=goatse%2C+tubgirl&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all | 14:55 |
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| xdanger | jeah, but I still don't like plainblacks design of the default layouts | 14:56 |
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| xdanger | and thats what people look first... | 14:56 |
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| xdanger | so we'll probably do our own default look | 14:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i agree that the templates are still not nice | 14:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | at least in my eyes | 14:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | of course | 14:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | finnish people are sick | 14:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or ass holes =) | 14:58 |
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| xdanger | our design guy says something like it's gotten form a puke on the floor to a piss on the table... this doens't translate very well =) | 14:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | depends how you interpret the google results =) | 14:58 |
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| xdanger | in reference to 6.8<->6.99 | 14:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you mean the wg7 styles? | 14:58 |
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| xdanger | yeah, he hates the 6.x style, but doesn't like the 7 styles either | 14:59 |
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| xdanger | said that they are improments, but that you couldnät to much worse that the 6.x styles =) | 14:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | They are to busy | 15:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | crowed | 15:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | crowded* | 15:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | whatever | 15:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not serene | 15:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not profi | 15:00 |
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| xdanger | yeah, if you look at our design: http://tnnet.fi/ this is as crowded as it gets... normally http://rook.fi/ | 15:01 |
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| xdanger | that his own pages =) | 15:02 |
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| xdanger | we really should do our own pages =D but we don't have the time | 15:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'll go for the page with the chick on it =) | 15:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tnnet.fi | 15:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Apart from the feminine touch it is also a lot brighter | 15:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which is good | 15:03 |
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| xdanger | btw. runs on webgui ;) | 15:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cool | 15:04 |
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| xdanger | here are some of my favorites: http://www.hmc.fi/ http://www.musicmonster.fi/ http://x-prophets.com/ http://www.pmmp.fi/ | 15:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no time to look at them now | 15:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | must.... | 15:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do... | 15:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | work... | 15:05 |
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| xdanger | tnnet is our main partner, it's a local isp/hosting company... I'm going there to talk about moving their hosting to our comppany =) | 15:06 |
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| crythia2 | that's a chick? heh... | 15:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Yeah we actually have those in Europe | 15:16 |
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| lenthamen | hey martin | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | len! | 18:38 |
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| lenthamen | Martin, the image upload functionality that Wouter wrote, is that also available for WebGUI 6.8 ? | 18:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Wouter has one for 6.7.7 though | 18:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you want he can mail it to you | 18:56 |
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| lenthamen | hehe, that's exactly the version I'm running now :) | 18:56 |
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| lenthamen | Yes, please, please please :) | 18:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wouter will mail it to you | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not right now | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but somewhere in the near future | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or you can spam him =) | 18:57 |
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| lenthamen | ok, I'll mail him a reminder :) | 18:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | good so =) | 18:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | later | 19:01 |
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| luke___ | hi everybody | 22:15 |
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| +crythias | hello | 22:17 |
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| luke___ | do you have experience with svn ? :) | 22:19 |
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| +crythias | slightly | 22:19 |
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| +crythias | that is, I've been able to successfully use other people's implementations. | 22:19 |
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| luke___ | and commandline svn ? :) | 22:20 |
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| luke___ | i want to commit a change but i´m too lame to RTFM | 22:20 |
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| +crythias | well, not so much. I've used tortoise and rapid_svn | 22:20 |
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| luke___ | maybe i should use this too :-) | 22:20 |
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| +crythias | what os? | 22:20 |
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| luke___ | frontend: win - backend: linux | 22:20 |
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| +crythias | yeah. tortoise will help | 22:21 |
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| luke___ | downloading... | 22:21 |
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| +crythias | http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ | 22:21 |
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| luke___ | thx :) | 22:21 |
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| +crythias | might require reboot :( | 22:21 |
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| luke___ | wtf ? | 22:21 |
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| luke___ | win even | 22:21 |
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| luke___ | ok I´m rebooting... | 22:24 |
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| luke___ | ok letz check out | 22:26 |
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| luke___ | hm i dont have any context menu like tortoiseSVN | 22:28 |
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| +crythias | you won't on a blank folder | 22:30 |
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| +crythias | no.. | 22:30 |
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| +crythias | that's not right. | 22:30 |
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| luke___ | i created a folder | 22:30 |
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| +crythias | you should see right-click svn | 22:30 |
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| luke___ | maybe my shit winxp64 | 22:30 |
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| +crythias | well, yeah, maybe? | 22:31 |
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| luke___ | right-click and I see no SVN | 22:31 |
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| luke___ | http://tortoisesvn.sourceforge.net/node/79 | 22:31 |
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| luke___ | I hope this is outdated | 22:31 |
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| luke___ | ok it works | 22:32 |
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| luke___ | thx, nice tool | 22:44 |
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| +crythias | ... and then she said, "I can't believe you've asked me to do that." | 17:31 |
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| +crythias | oh. :) Hi | 17:32 |
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| +crythias | oh. this isn't #gooeyweb | 17:32 |
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| luke___ | :) | 18:05 |
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| cheecheeo | what does the ^Extras macro expand to? and where can I upload and reference it in my style? | 20:21 |
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| cheecheeo | how can I upload and reference a new favicon in my style? | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo cheecheeo | 07:26 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: hello | 07:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | how hackest thou tonight? | 07:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you get your uploads directory permissions fixed? | 07:27 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: I'm doing okay, I talked bonyari about it and he played around with it, we haven't really had a problem with it, what I ended up doing was just adding the users through the admin console and removing anon user registration | 07:28 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: you wouldn't happen to know much about favicon references and such would you? | 07:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | a little | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | do mean the icon format or how to get webGUI to display one for you? | 07:30 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: how to get one on to webgui and how to reference it in my template | 07:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | let's check the setup on a demo site | 07:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | head on over to demo.plainblack.com and set yourself up a demo | 07:31 |
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| cheecheeo | k | 07:31 |
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| cheecheeo | setup | 07:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | double checking something on sunset's site | 07:33 |
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| cheecheeo | k | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I thought | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | on 6.2.11 there's a favicon/site icon setting in the config settings | 07:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | in 6.8 it looks like it's been removed | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | here's the syntax for adding it to a page | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | <link rel="icon" href="/extras/favicon.png" type="image/png"> | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | <link rel="SHORTCUT ICON" href="/extras/sunset.ico"> | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | you'll want to add that to the style template | 07:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think you may need both to hit both mozilla and IE, but I'm not sure | 07:36 |
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| cheecheeo | so make a new directory in the root node and upload the favicon there? | 07:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 07:36 |
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| cheecheeo | and then that reference in the style? | 07:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | or just add it to the import node | 07:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | crythias: you awake? | 07:37 |
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| cheecheeo | the extras directory? | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | you _could_ use the extras directory, but that would require shell access | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would just upload an Image Asset to the import node, and give it a nice url, like /favicon.png | 07:38 |
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| cheecheeo | so, maybe this will help, what does the ^Extras macro expand to with respect to the directory/import nod hierarchy? | 07:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're not related at all | 07:39 |
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| cheecheeo | ah | 07:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | does that help? | 07:41 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: yeah, I'm trying it on the demo site real quick | 07:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't remember the format of the ico file off the top of my head, but I think you can google for it pretty quickly | 07:42 |
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| cheecheeo | so when I run wget sunsetpres.org/extras/favicon.png I get the default webgui icon, not sunset's | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | yep | 07:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's why in certain interfaces you get the wG icon instead of Sunset's. | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | like the admin interfaces | 07:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | try grabbing the ico file | 07:45 |
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| cheecheeo | yeah, still webgui's | 07:46 |
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| cheecheeo | hmm, in the URL field, do I get to choose my own URL for easy referencing in styles, etc? | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | sunset.ico is our favicon file | 07:50 |
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| cheecheeo | ah, I got it now | 07:51 |
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| cheecheeo | I'm also loving this mozex | 07:51 |
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| cheecheeo | it was a little bit interesting to get installed and configured bit I love it, except that it only seems to edit the first text field on the page, not necessarily the one the cursor is blinking in | 07:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | weird | 07:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I haven't had any problems with it | 07:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | do you activate it via the hotkey or right click menu? | 07:54 |
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| cheecheeo | well, I'm assuming it's some gentoo sillyness because it wouldn't let me install it the xpi/firefox way without root acess | 07:55 |
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| cheecheeo | so I installed it as root and then it worked under my regular user | 07:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's weird | 07:57 |
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| cheecheeo | okay, thanks for the tips, I need to work on this OS now | 07:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | catch you later | 07:58 |
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| cheecheeo | you too | 07:58 |
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| sanyock | Hi Ppl! | 12:51 |
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| sanyock | Please suggest is there any way to avoid apache restart, may be an other method may be used | 12:51 |
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| sanyock | If it is due to pm modules loaded into memory precompiled/optimized, may be it is possible to turn such optimization off with lower performance | 12:52 |
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| xdanger | something like Apache::Reload ? | 12:55 |
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| sanyock | I am just going to use general $5/month hosting to which I have SSH access to setup webgui | 12:56 |
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| sanyock | I did previously with version 6.6.5 | 12:56 |
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| sanyock | Now I read in forums an apache restart may be needed, not sure why | 12:56 |
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| xdanger | aaa... Does this hosting offer mod_perl ? | 12:56 |
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| sanyock | Yes, mod_perl, MySQL 4.1 | 12:57 |
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| sanyock | any missing modules will be installed | 12:57 |
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| sanyock | WG 6.6.5 worked fine | 12:57 |
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| sanyock | Going to use latest gamma | 12:57 |
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| xdanger | which version of mod_perl ? | 12:57 |
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| sanyock | just a moment | 12:58 |
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| sanyock | Apache version 1.3.34 (Unix) | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | PERL version 5.8.7 | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | I am not sure if above is mod_perl, but hosting stuff let me know that mod_perl is available | 12:59 |
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| xdanger | I think that they support Apache::Registry, not the full mod_perl integration | 12:59 |
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| xdanger | yeah, 6.8 requires mod_perl2 and apache2 | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Server name rachel | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | WWW directory /home/aulix/public_html | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Root directory /home/aulix | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Path to PERL /usr/bin/perl | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Perl modules Click to view | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Path to sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | Apache version 1.3.34 (Unix) | 12:59 |
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| sanyock | MySQL version 4.1.18-standard | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | PostgreSQL version | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | PHP version 4.3.11 | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | PHP info Click to view | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | PERL version 5.8.7 | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | Kernel version 2.6.13.1.dn3.64 | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | Machine Type i686 | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | cPanel version 10.8.2-RELEASE-83 | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | cPanel Pro Version 1.0 (RC36) | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | uhm... | 13:00 |
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| sanyock | if I find a host with mod_perl2 and apache2, is apache restart still be required? | 13:01 |
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| sanyock | If I remember correct, when conf file was changed I needed restart | 13:01 |
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| * sanyock very currious about v7 release date | 13:02 |
| sanyock | just looked into bug tracker, are the bugs only stoppers or more new features will be added before v7 release? | 13:03 |
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| xdanger | there are new features in 6.99 (kind of 7-beta version) | 13:05 |
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| sanyock | When started to use webgui for our company site, found that header length was limited to 255 characters, is such limitation is still actual? | 13:11 |
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| sanyock | following change helped me to overcome the limitation, may be this can be useful for new version: | 13:12 |
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| sanyock | Form.pm | 13:12 |
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| sanyock | _____________________________ | 13:12 |
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| sanyock | my $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 1255; | 13:12 |
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| sanyock | may be $params->{maxlength} can be updated somewhere | 13:23 |
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| sanyock | it would be nice to have it in Settings panel | 13:23 |
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| xdanger | I don't see that line in 6.8 or 6.99 | 13:56 |
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| sanyock | it was in 6.6.3 and 6.6.5 | 13:57 |
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| sanyock | =head3 size | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | The number of characters wide this form element should be. There should be no reason for anyone to specify this. | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | =head3 defaultValue | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | This will be used if no value is specified. | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | =cut | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | sub text { | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | my $params = shift; | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | my $value = _fixSpecialCharacters($params->{value}||$params->{defaultValue}); | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | $value = _fixQuotes($value); | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | $value = _fixMacros($value); | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | my $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 255; | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | my $size = $params->{size} || $session{setting}{textBoxSize} || 30; | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | return '<input type="text" name="'.$params->{name}.'" value="'.$value.'" size="'. | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | $size.'" maxlength="'.$maxLength.'" '.$params->{extras}.' />'; | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | } | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | | 13:58 |
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| sanyock | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 13:59 |
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| sanyock | I changed 255 to 1255 | 13:59 |
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| sanyock | now able to use wide Titles | 13:59 |
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| luke___ | hi martin | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heyho | 17:27 |
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| luke___ | hi pbmdawg | 17:28 |
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| @pbmdawg | hi | 17:28 |
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| luke___ | I´m trying to get the commerce running, but it´s always kills my apache...:( | 17:28 |
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| luke___ | what could it be ? | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | when i made it it didn't kill anything | 17:29 |
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| @pbmdawg | what shipping/payment plugins do you have enabled | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but there were changes the last few weeks | 17:29 |
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| @pbmdawg | and what commerce settings have you enabled | 17:29 |
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| @pbmdawg | all the changes were done by me | 17:30 |
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| @pbmdawg | I had to add in a few hooks | 17:30 |
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| luke___ | ITransact | 17:30 |
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| luke___ | I got an testaccount from jt | 17:30 |
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| luke___ | I´m enabled me in firewall | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | on 6.8.x? | 17:30 |
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| luke___ | yes | 17:30 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh | 17:30 |
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| luke___ | but i´m not using ssl | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the changes were in 6.99 | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well the plugin talks to itransact thru ssl | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so it doen't matter if you use it on your site or not | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it uses lwp::useragent | 17:31 |
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| luke___ | ok | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | iirc | 17:31 |
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| luke___ | lwp must compiled with ssl support ? | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | In what way does it kill apache | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dies? | 17:31 |
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| luke___ | the apache thread grows and grows | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | eat mem? | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or cpu? | 17:31 |
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| luke___ | yes | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | weird | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | never saw that behaviour | 17:32 |
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| luke___ | I´m thing both, whats the best way to check it ? | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | top? | 17:32 |
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| luke___ | s/ing/ink/; | 17:32 |
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| luke___ | mom | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | without the plugin enabled... | 17:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does it grow? | 17:33 |
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| luke___ | just grows after checkout | 17:33 |
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| luke___ | and i couldn´t checkout without plugin | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there are not many that can =) | 17:34 |
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| luke___ | hm | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I can look into tonight for a bit. | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | But I don't think I'll find something | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It must be something leaking sopewhere | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | somewhere* | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Matt | 17:35 |
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| luke___ | yes I will debug this too a little bit | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does pb also has this problem | 17:35 |
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| @pbmdawg | don't know | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It could be a cyclic ref or something | 17:35 |
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| luke___ | uptime after send: 16:35:06 up 20 days, 7:47, 3 users, load average: 0.31, 0.07, 0.02 | 17:35 |
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| luke___ | 2512 daemon 19 0 845m 762m 13m R 36.7 76.6 0:07.66 httpd | 17:36 |
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| luke___ | 2512 daemon 25 0 1376m 800m 13m D 60.1 80.3 0:11.84 httpd | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | now I;m not an expert | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but these values seem pretty large | 17:37 |
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| luke___ | 16:37:02 up 20 days, 7:49, 3 users, load average: 3.01, 1.07, 0.38 | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how do you restart apache? | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | httpd -k stop; httpd -k start? | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or httpd -k restart | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:38 |
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| luke___ | start & stop | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's teh way you should do it | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | restart will leak mem | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | gotta go to the grocery store | 17:39 |
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| luke___ | it´s a ssl problem I´m think | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bbl | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in an hour or so | 17:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | maybe eralier | 17:39 |
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| luke___ | ok thx | 17:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | luke; do you have outbound 443 open? | 17:50 |
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| luke___ | nope | 17:53 |
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| luke___ | I should install all ssl libs | 17:53 |
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| luke___ | before I install the libs I want to find the leak and fix it or handle it better | 17:55 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh | 17:56 |
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| @pbmdawg | it's in LWP, I'm sure... | 17:56 |
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| luke___ | yes, missing ssl support or something like this | 17:57 |
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| luke___ | I´m installed the LWP Debian Package | 17:59 |
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| @pbmdawg | are you using the wre | 18:03 |
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| luke___ | nope | 18:03 |
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| @pbmdawg | ok | 18:03 |
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| @pbmdawg | then installing debian packages might help you :) | 18:03 |
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| luke___ | Readme.ssl in libwww: | 18:04 |
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| luke___ | Encryption support is obtained through the use of Crypt::SSLeay or | 18:04 |
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| luke___ | IO::Socket::SSL, which can both be found from CPAN. | 18:04 |
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| luke___ | maybe one of it should checked in testEnviroment | 18:05 |
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| @pbmdawg | good idea | 18:06 |
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| @pbmdawg | looks like ssleay is updated more often | 18:07 |
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| luke___ | yes | 18:08 |
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| luke___ | should I add this ? | 18:08 |
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| luke___ | strike, commerce is running :-) | 18:11 |
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| luke___ | thx :) | 18:11 |
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| @pbmdawg | chansen you there? | 18:12 |
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| @pbmdawg | welcome | 18:21 |
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| deymos | hi there.. i've found the info about this irc channel on plainblack.com... i'm just in the process of making another webgui site... | 18:27 |
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| deymos | anyone here alive and kicking? ;) | 18:28 |
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| @pbmdawg | I am | 18:28 |
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| deymos | nice ;) it says sysadmin next to your nick, so are you working on webgui or are you just the user? | 18:29 |
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| @pbmdawg | both | 18:29 |
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| deymos | good, cause i've found a bug ;) | 18:30 |
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| @pbmdawg | okay... | 18:32 |
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| deymos | which part are you working on? | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | which version | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | all of it | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | heh | 18:32 |
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| deymos | the latest gamma... | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh okay | 18:32 |
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| deymos | page.isSibling is not workin | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | what's the bug | 18:32 |
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| deymos | i've Checked the Navigation.pm... | 18:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | it might have been removed, but not removed from the documentation | 18:32 |
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| deymos | and it seems one of the conditions is that the page.isTopBranch | 18:33 |
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| deymos | it's not removed. just the conditions in Navigation.pm are wrong. | 18:33 |
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| deymos | i've fixed it for me and it's working now, but it's just a hack | 18:33 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh | 18:33 |
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| deymos | i was trying to do nav menu with the template and realised it was buggy... | 18:34 |
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| deymos | the site is at www.contel.hr/2007 btw | 18:34 |
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| @pbmdawg | put the code diff on SF | 18:34 |
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| deymos | i'm not sure that the way i did it is the proper way to do it | 18:34 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh | 18:34 |
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| deymos | i spoke to JT some time ago, i wanted to open Croatian W3 site, but don't have time to do it... i've even registered the webgui.com.hr domain... | 18:37 |
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| @pbmdawg | site looks nice | 18:38 |
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| deymos | it's the best cms i've used. mambo is shit compared to webgui ;) | 18:38 |
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| deymos | the template is from oswd.org... | 18:38 |
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| @pbmdawg | cool | 18:38 |
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| deymos | and we'll go online with it tomorrow, so the content is in the making | 18:38 |
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| deymos | i have another site running on webgui.. www.hr... | 18:38 |
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| deymos | most iof the site... not the directory though | 18:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | neat | 18:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | ready to make a translation for wg7 ? | 18:39 |
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| deymos | i did the translation for 5.5 ... | 18:40 |
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| deymos | but never finished. | 18:40 |
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| deymos | oops... didn't understand what you asked ;) | 18:40 |
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| deymos | about the translation | 18:40 |
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| @pbmdawg | that's what I asked | 18:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | translating to whatever your language is | 18:41 |
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| deymos | oh, then i got it right... croatian... | 18:41 |
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| deymos | if i only had more time... | 18:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | I have to run... be back in a few hours | 18:42 |
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| deymos | ok... bye | 18:42 |
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| nbcccorp | Hey, anyone out there had any experience, good or bad, with Skype? | 21:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | nope | 21:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not me anyway | 21:26 |
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| nbcccorp | oh well. It looks really cool and I was just wondering. It's easy enough to look around the net for people who have, I just thought I would start here since I've never been given bad WebGUI info here. | 21:27 |
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| @pbmdawg | skype is pretty good. : | 21:33 |
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| @pbmdawg | as for interfacing with POTS, Skype-In is good. Skype-Out is *okay* | 21:33 |
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| nbcccorp | What do you mean by *okay*? | 21:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | the first day or two I used it | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | the quality of the audio was bad | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | but since then, it's been fine | 21:41 |
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| nbcccorp | any dropped calls? garbage calls? ever have any privacy concerns with them? | 21:42 |
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| nbcccorp | rather: ever HEAR OF any privacy concerns with them? | 21:42 |
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| @pbmdawg | no... | 21:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | skype-skype is perfect | 21:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | I was talking about skype-POTS | 21:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | and yeah, occasional dropped calls with skype-POTS | 21:53 |
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| nbcccorp | how is their support? ever had to use it? | 22:01 |
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| @pbmdawg | no | 22:05 |
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| @pbmdawg | what types of services of theirs are you thinking of using | 22:05 |
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| nbcccorp | Sorry, I was in a full screen rc window and didn't see this. | 22:35 |
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| nbcccorp | I am looking at using them for home phone services. I can't seem to keep a decent connection with Cingular in my house and need to have reliable phone service in order to do tech supp. | 22:36 |
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| nbcccorp | I am looking at the whole range of services + international numbers for my clients in London to use. | 22:37 |
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| +crythias | hee | 23:06 |
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| @pbmdawg | hi | 23:06 |
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| xdanger | hou | 23:07 |
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| @pbmdawg | WG7H8R | 23:07 |
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| +crythias | hee | 23:07 |
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| +crythias | ... and then she said, "rub her? I hardly even know her!" | 23:08 |
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| xdanger | o | 23:08 |
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| xdanger | wasn't it 6.99rc0 ? | 23:09 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeah, that too | 23:09 |
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| +crythias | rc0? | 23:09 |
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| +crythias | 6.99b1 | 23:09 |
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| @pbmdawg | release candidate 0 | 23:09 |
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| +crythias | yeahbut, rc? I mean, that's pretty um.. bold, no? | 23:10 |
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| +crythias | hehe | 23:10 |
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| @pbmdawg | nah. | 23:10 |
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| @pbmdawg | there's really not much different from 6.8.10 | 23:10 |
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| @pbmdawg | just a bunch of new stuff | 23:10 |
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| @pbmdawg | heh | 23:10 |
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| +crythias | "I'm not a strict vegetarian, 'cause I eat beef. and pork. and chicken. semi-veg" | 23:12 |
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| @pbmdawg | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nB96fX77.html | 23:12 |
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| +crythias | sha-zaam | 23:12 |
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| +crythias | btw... what happened with the 6.8.9 release? why wasn't it "announced" | 23:13 |
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| @pbmdawg | better question | 23:13 |
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| @pbmdawg | why is the svn diff for that version blocked | 23:13 |
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| +crythias | need to lay the smackdown on ROy | 23:13 |
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| @pbmdawg | he didn't do that release | 23:13 |
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| +crythias | ah. | 23:14 |
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| xdanger | pbmdawg: how about the internal redirect testing ? I can do it maybe next week, or at least the next... | 23:15 |
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| +crythias | not certain like my computer. | 23:15 |
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| +crythias | maybe I need to convert my filesystem, 'cause the fat32 is mucking up bunches | 23:15 |
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| @pbmdawg | I haven't looked at it | 23:16 |
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| +crythia1 | did you see my new rfe? | 23:17 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeah | 23:17 |
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| +crythia1 | yeah, 6810 | 23:49 |
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| +crythia1 | who will be testing this? would you be upgrading your hosting? | 23:50 |
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| @pbmdawg | 6.8.10? | 23:50 |
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| @pbmdawg | tiny security changes only | 23:50 |
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| +crythia1 | no 6.99.0 | 23:52 |
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| @pbmdawg | har | 23:52 |
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| @pbmdawg | plainblack.com will have it, I think | 23:52 |
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| +crythia1 | converting... afn | 23:53 |
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| luke___ | WebGUI 6.9.9rc0 release in 29 minutes | 23:59 |
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| luke___ | really ? | 23:59 |
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| @pbmdawg | 6.99.0 | 00:00 |
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| @pbmdawg | shortly | 00:00 |
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| luke___ | cool | 00:00 |
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| luke___ | what´s about the ssleay should I add this to svn ? | 00:01 |
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| luke___ | or should I open a bug ? | 00:01 |
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| luke___ | or send a mail to discussion | 00:01 |
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| Deymos | will page.isSibling be fixed in this release ;) | 00:01 |
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| @pbmdawg | no; it's just an rc that probably 0 people will download | 00:01 |
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| luke___ | :) | 00:02 |
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| @pbmdawg | oh wait; postponed till later this week | 00:02 |
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| xdanger | why are some pages in svn::Wev unviewable? like https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/revision/?rev=2141 | 00:29 |
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| xdanger | mostly everyone that i've noticed are about 6.8 branch | 00:30 |
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| @pbmdawg | I'm not sure | 00:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | possibly they are blocked for security-by-obscurity reasons | 00:46 |
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| @pbmdawg | gtg; l8r | 00:46 |
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| +crythias | sigh | 20:25 |
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| +crythias | ... and then I said, "yes, but why would I need WD40?" | 21:47 |
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| +crythias | howdy | 22:12 |
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| Baylink | ? | 22:32 |
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| Baylink | :-) | 22:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | howdy Martin | 16:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy pardner | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what is up? | 17:01 |
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| @pbmdawg | nothing | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:18 |
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| xdanger | damn... I really think that Event calendar's "start from Now!" doesn't work | 18:16 |
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| @pbmdawg | which version | 18:16 |
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| xdanger | 6.8 | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Wouter did a lot of evc fixes | 18:17 |
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| @pbmdawg | yes, EC is totally broken in 6.8 | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in 6.99 | 18:17 |
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| @pbmdawg | unusable | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I broken as hell in in 6. | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 6.8* | 18:17 |
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| xdanger | ok | 18:23 |
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| xdanger | great | 18:24 |
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| +crythias | reply count doesn't work | 22:59 |
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| +crythias | ... and then she said, "I keep moving it up and down and it still doesn't help. The water just overflows the bowl, and the plunger isn't doing a darn thing!" | 23:00 |
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| * MrHairgrease tests if his connection is still up | 00:03 |
| * MrHairgrease cries in joy | 00:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | Still sucks though that port 80 is blocked somehow.... | 00:04 |
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| +crythias | do what? | 00:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm typing... | 00:05 |
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| +crythias | port 80 blocked on a machine you control? | 00:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that would be stupid | 00:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I dunno who fucked up | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but I can't even get a webpage of the local server here | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It's *not* my fault though | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it never is =) | 00:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'd rather blame Koen | 00:07 |
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| +crythias | heh | 00:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | So are you guys pleased with 6.99 | 00:07 |
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| +crythias | I don't like the forum stuff | 00:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what's wrong with it? | 00:08 |
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| +crythias | "Back to site"? | 00:09 |
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| +crythias | feh | 00:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | back to site? | 00:09 |
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| +crythias | submit a post and it says, "waiting for approval. click the link: back to site" | 00:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 00:10 |
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| +crythias | lame | 00:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 00:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's softawre after all | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who has the ip for startrek.com? | 00:11 |
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| +crythias | somehow, it started off REALLY slow, as well on plainblack.com | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | my svn thingy is pretty fast | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | even in admin mode | 00:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | aha | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the dns is down | 00:12 |
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| +crythias | heh | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | stupid frickin university | 00:12 |
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| +crythias | ok. here we go. I clcik pb.com/discuss/mods... | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or should I say stupid fricking student built networks =) | 00:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I can't follow you | 00:13 |
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| +crythias | now it's up | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | my dns is down remember | 00:13 |
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| +crythias | right, but I'm talking about my experience with plainblack.com | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:13 |
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| +crythias | 21 seconds to load a message board is insane. | 00:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's definately not good | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so maybe you should click faster =) | 00:14 |
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| +crythias | clicking Etcetera. now | 00:14 |
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| +crythias | up now... | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 16 | 00:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not too good | 00:15 |
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| +crythias | and it's not counting replies properly | 00:15 |
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| +crythias | Community: We need your help JT 51 0 0 | 00:15 |
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| +crythias | 51: views 0 replies | 00:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'd worry much more about the performance | 00:15 |
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| +crythias | I gotta head home. ttyl | 00:17 |
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| fdillon | snapcount! | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | hola | 19:14 |
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| @snapcount | Yippee!! | 05:43 |
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| @snapcount | peeps | 05:43 |
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| @snapcount | crythia1 | 05:43 |
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| @snapcount | perlDreamer | 05:43 |
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| @snapcount | I maketh your windows blink | 05:43 |
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| @snapcount | ping ping | 05:44 |
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| @snapcount | syn | 05:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo | 05:45 |
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| @snapcount | greetings | 05:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | greetings, E-ROD | 05:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 05:45 |
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| @snapcount | so I'm writing a paypal plugin | 05:45 |
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| @snapcount | (the world rejoices) | 05:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | is this a for-fun or for-pay project? | 05:45 |
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| @snapcount | for-fun | 05:46 |
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| @snapcount | I've grown very familiar with commerce | 05:46 |
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| @snapcount | anywho paypal makes it very easy | 05:46 |
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| @snapcount | problem is the wG commerce system makes it kinda hard | 05:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | really? | 05:46 |
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| @snapcount | I want to put this in user contribs as a payment plug-in | 05:47 |
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| +crythia1 | :) | 05:47 |
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| @snapcount | then JT is going to put in core for 7.1 | 05:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool | 05:47 |
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| @snapcount | problem though | 05:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 05:47 |
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| @snapcount | I can't make it work w/o modifying Operation/Commerce | 05:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's a problem | 05:47 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 05:47 |
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| @snapcount | that's not a plugin | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | that breaks upgrades | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | what do you need to modify it for? | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | because I need to return template vars from one of the operations | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | that isn't there | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | basically you redirect users to paypal | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | but you post a bunch of form vars when you do | 05:48 |
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| @snapcount | basically all the crap they bought | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | and who the vendor is | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | is that required? | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | which url they go to when they're done | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | for basic paypal yeah | 05:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:49 |
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| +crythia1 | that's basic paypal. | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | otherwise we have another ITransact plugin | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | which isn't useful to the masses | 05:49 |
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| @snapcount | b/c you have to be approved for a merchant acct to use it | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see | 05:50 |
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| +crythia1 | Are you saying you're having trouble sending info to the paypal thing? | 05:50 |
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| @snapcount | sort of | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | no he's saying he can't do it without hacking the core | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | which operation do you need to modify? | 05:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | which sub in the operation? | 05:51 |
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| @snapcount | checkoutConfirm | 05:51 |
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| +crythia1 | Colin: Yeah, I know he's talking about hacking the core. | 05:51 |
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| @snapcount | I don't want to do that | 05:51 |
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| @snapcount | I can do it for 7.1 no problem | 05:51 |
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| @snapcount | but I wanted to release something people can use now | 05:51 |
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| +crythia1 | people can always link to paypal's per-item thingiy | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | the only other way... | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | but that kind of sucks | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | you have to pay for each item one at a time | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | so do you know of another way? | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | well I don't know how to implement it | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | but I have an idear | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | do tell | 05:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | prithee | 05:52 |
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| @snapcount | the payment plugin executes a method called normalTransaction during the checkout process | 05:53 |
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| @snapcount | it's supposed to talk to the payment gateway | 05:53 |
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| @snapcount | if there were a way to post the form vars from that method | 05:53 |
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| @snapcount | and redirect them | 05:53 |
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| @snapcount | (at the same time) | 05:53 |
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| @snapcount | I could make it work | 05:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have two ideas | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | 1) You should be able to do with with a ton of javascript | 05:54 |
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| * snapcount is a JS retard | 05:54 |
| @snapcount | but I could learn I guess | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2) This is much, much more evil | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | at the end of checkoutConfirm, it calls a template | 05:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about if you write a new template handler which does your magic for you | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | yep | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | a new template handler? | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | dude | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | instead of HTML::Template, or Template::Toolkit | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | you just wrap them in something that does your transaction | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | now that's outside the box | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then returns them to a sane page | 05:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I told you it was evil | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 05:55 |
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| @snapcount | so evil it's cool | 05:56 |
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| +crythia1 | why not have spectre do it... | 05:56 |
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| @snapcount | explain? | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's no hook into spectre at that point, crythias | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | there could be, though | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it would be another API level change | 05:56 |
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| +crythia1 | I dunno. it seems payments should be async anyway. | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | I agree | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | but they're not now | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | Clancy Brown rocks as the Kernigan | 05:56 |
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| +crythia1 | seems perfect for what spectre was supposed to do. | 05:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | but there's no hook in the Commerce system for spectre | 05:57 |
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| +crythia1 | workflow FTW | 05:57 |
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| @snapcount | JT has a morbid fear of Commerce for some reason | 05:57 |
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| @snapcount | he avoids that code as much as possible | 05:57 |
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| +crythia1 | 'cause if you get it wrong, it's lost money, sales, etc. | 05:57 |
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| @snapcount | get what wrong? | 05:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | it needs a test suite | 05:58 |
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| @snapcount | yeah that would be cool | 05:58 |
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| +crythia1 | are you doing webpayments pro or standard for paypal? | 05:58 |
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| @snapcount | standard for now | 05:58 |
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| @snapcount | although pro would be easier | 05:58 |
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| +crythia1 | Seems like. | 05:59 |
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| @snapcount | but standard could be used by anyone | 05:59 |
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| @snapcount | with a paypal account | 05:59 |
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| @snapcount | without paying monthly fees, submiting dna, etc | 05:59 |
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| +crythia1 | pro by anyone, and it's seemless to the site | 05:59 |
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| +crythia1 | seamless | 05:59 |
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| @snapcount | they have to go through an approval process | 06:00 |
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| @snapcount | credit check | 06:00 |
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| @snapcount | basically they are being approved as a merchant | 06:00 |
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| +crythia1 | well, do you want to use "Additional Payment Option" instead of paypal Website Payments? | 06:00 |
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| @snapcount | of course | 06:00 |
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| @snapcount | everyone has a credit card | 06:00 |
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| +crythia1 | who is the everyone? hoster or customer? | 06:01 |
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| @snapcount | standard is nice because the merchant never handles cc#'s and other sensitive data | 06:01 |
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| @snapcount | so they don't care who uses it | 06:01 |
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| @snapcount | everyone == customers | 06:01 |
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| @snapcount | =) | 06:01 |
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| @snapcount | with pro... you receive the payment details directly | 06:02 |
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| @snapcount | so they are more picky | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you see that the form upload bug is popping up again? | 06:02 |
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| +crythia1 | https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_addl-payment-option.html | 06:02 |
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| @snapcount | perlDreamer: wonderful | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | !yeah | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ~yeah | 06:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | NOT(yeah) | 06:03 |
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| @snapcount | so this express checkout is the same as standard | 06:04 |
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| @snapcount | but uses an API | 06:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh, you can also do it in the shipping method | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | or the payment gateway | 06:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | since they call load, there's probably an eval in there | 06:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | and then you can do anything | 06:06 |
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| @snapcount | this is interesting | 06:06 |
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| @snapcount | there is a cpan module for paypal also | 06:06 |
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| @snapcount | hmm | 06:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I think the template hack is best | 06:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it does all the hard work for you | 06:07 |
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| +crythia1 | heh php | 06:08 |
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| +crythia1 | ahh yeah... | 06:08 |
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| @snapcount | I wonder how hard it is to write a template parser plugin | 06:08 |
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| @snapcount | is it just a sub that gets the template contents? | 06:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | yep | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | the basic one is about 80 lines long | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | including whitespace and comments | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | check out Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate | 06:10 |
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| @snapcount | http://search.cpan.org/~scottw/Business-PayPal-API-0.30/lib/Business/PayPal/API/ExpressCheckout.pm | 06:11 |
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| @snapcount | check that out | 06:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | seems very complete | 06:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | too bad they make you redirect via them instead of working via pure services | 06:12 |
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| @snapcount | they do that to keep the credit card info out of your hands | 06:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | could you proxy their page? | 06:13 |
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| @snapcount | their pro stuff does use pure services | 06:13 |
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| @snapcount | eh | 06:13 |
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| @snapcount | that's probably not legal | 06:13 |
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| @snapcount | but maybe | 06:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, I think there's enough entry points to crowbar the system into doing what you want | 06:14 |
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| @snapcount | I think this express checkout is the cleanest way | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I meant the checkoutConfirm sub | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's definitely hackable | 06:15 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | not in the intruder sense | 06:16 |
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| @snapcount | the template parser would be easiest | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | and least likely to get you whacked | 06:16 |
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| @snapcount | but it's a hack for sure | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | definitely | 06:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | how are classes? | 06:16 |
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| @snapcount | this express checkout would keep everything in the payment plug-in though | 06:16 |
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| @snapcount | classes are done for Spring | 06:17 |
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| @snapcount | I'm taking one class this summer | 06:17 |
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| @snapcount | (first session) | 06:17 |
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| @snapcount | it's pretty cool | 06:17 |
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| @snapcount | Physics/Chemistry/Astronomy Introduction for Business Retards 101 | 06:17 |
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| +crythia1 | heya | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a new appreciation for what you're doing | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Kathy started college again | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | so she's been studying a lot | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | of course, she also dissects spines and eyeballs | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I try to mind my P's and Q's around her | 06:18 |
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| +crythia1 | Roy: JT asked about cut-paste job for RFEs on the boards. I responded to him, but didn't get a response. | 06:18 |
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| @snapcount | I got to dissect a sheep heart | 06:19 |
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| @snapcount | and a big ass worm | 06:19 |
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| +crythia1 | :) | 06:19 |
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| @snapcount | crythia1: what? | 06:19 |
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| @snapcount | cut-paste job? | 06:19 |
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| +crythia1 | would be ncie if boards didn't take 15 seconds to load | 06:20 |
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| +crythia1 | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/community-we-need-your-help#vf3t5SiB_MtYe9JFw7Gnmg | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | ha ha ha | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm invincible! | 06:20 |
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| +crythia1 | :-? | 06:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | I rewrote the group membership code and injected a bug | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Vrby found the bug | 06:21 |
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| +crythia1 | hahahahah | 06:21 |
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| @snapcount | go vrby! | 06:21 |
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| @snapcount | so you want me to go to that link crythias? | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I fixed it today, but didn't test all the possible methods for group inclusion/exclusion | 06:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I just finished the tests, and the fix is pretty robust | 06:21 |
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| @snapcount | nice | 06:21 |
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| +crythia1 | sure. or : | 06:22 |
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| +crythia1 | In the next couple of days we're going to be setting up a new feature requests system right here on this site instead of the one on source forge. This new system will allow you to help rank the features so we know what features you want to see first. We're looking for someone who's willing to do the copy paste job to get all of the current feature requests moved over to the new system. In return we'll give you a whole pile of points w | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | testing totally rocks | 06:22 |
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| +crythia1 | :) yay, testing! | 06:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you coming to my class at the WUC? | 06:23 |
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| +crythia1 | I'm not sure I'm going to be going. | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | dude, you gotta come | 06:23 |
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| +crythia1 | I'd love to go, but I may have a significant life change at the same time. And yes, I gotta go. | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | life change? | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | more kids? | 06:24 |
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| +crythia1 | might move. maybe. | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's pretty significant | 06:24 |
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| @snapcount | yeah you have to come | 06:24 |
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| @snapcount | move to Vegas | 06:24 |
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| @snapcount | then it will be cheap | 06:25 |
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| @snapcount | apparently I'm not an admin either | 06:25 |
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| @snapcount | just for some stuff | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | with the group stuff broken, they weren't able to get some stuff working | 06:25 |
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| @snapcount | so are you guys coming to the pow-wow tommorow? | 06:26 |
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| @snapcount | I hope people show up =) | 06:26 |
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| +crythia1 | I'm going to try. | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a lunch date with a 7 year old | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | not going to be there | 06:26 |
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| @snapcount | is luke___ Luke Bartholemy? | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what his info says | 06:27 |
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| @snapcount | he's our next PBWG | 06:28 |
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| @snapcount | I just have to post all the stuff | 06:28 |
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| @snapcount | so I need to +v him | 06:28 |
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| @snapcount | this paypal module has tests included | 06:35 |
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| @snapcount | eh... but this kinda sucks | 06:36 |
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| @snapcount | Because I haven't figured out how to make SOAP::Lite read the WSDL definitions directly and simply implement those (help, anyone?), I have essentially recreated all of those WSDL structures internally in this module. | 06:36 |
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| @snapcount | If PayPal changes their API (adds, removes, or changes parameters), this module *may stop working*. I do not know if PayPal will preserve backward compatibility. That said, you can help me keep this module up-to-date if you notice such an event occuring. | 06:36 |
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| @snapcount | that's poo poo | 06:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, but that's the way with any service API | 06:38 |
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| @snapcount | ok... well I think this is the way to go | 06:44 |
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| @snapcount | but now it's time for bed | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | g'night | 06:44 |
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| @snapcount | I will talk to you guys later | 06:44 |
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| @snapcount | thanks for pointing this out crythia1 | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you back on IRC semi-regularly? | 06:45 |
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| @snapcount | gonna try yeah | 06:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll hang here more often, too then | 06:45 |
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| @snapcount | I'll make it part of my daily routine | 06:45 |
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| @snapcount | to sign on here | 06:45 |
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| @snapcount | things are no longer crazy | 06:46 |
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| @pbmdawg | howdy | 16:17 |
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| luke___ | hi pbmdawg | 16:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | what's up | 16:39 |
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| greghacke | event management :-) | 16:40 |
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| luke___ | hi roy | 16:50 |
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| @snapcount | hey luke | 17:08 |
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| @snapcount | your pic is on webgui.org now! | 17:12 |
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| @snapcount | and your interview | 17:12 |
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| luke___ | kewl | 17:12 |
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| @snapcount | I'm writing the press releases now | 17:12 |
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| @snapcount | also luke___ | 17:18 |
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| @snapcount | is your nick registered with Freenode? | 17:19 |
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| luke___ | yes | 17:20 |
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| luke___ | i hope | 17:20 |
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| @snapcount | ping | 17:46 |
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| greghacke | pong | 17:46 |
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| @snapcount | thanks | 17:48 |
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| @snapcount | I couldn't connect to pb.com so I was like uhhh.. | 17:49 |
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| @snapcount | but JT is upgrading | 17:49 |
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| greghacke | yep - to 6.99.1 | 17:49 |
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| julied | desc Julie A. Duncan | 19:23 |
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| @rizen | is luke_____ the same as lucas bartholmey (sorry about the misspelling) | 19:27 |
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| @rizen | is anyone actually here? | 19:28 |
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| -!- rizen changed the topic of #WebGUI to: Where are the rough edges in WebGUI 7, and how can we smooth them? | 19:31 |
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| +luke___ | hi jt | 19:33 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | it must be about 9pm there, am I right? | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | well, 8:30pm | 19:36 |
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| +luke___ | in germany ? | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | aka 20:30 | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | yeah | 19:36 |
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| +luke___ | 6:30pm | 19:36 |
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| +luke___ | 18:30 | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | wow..i was way off | 19:36 |
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| xdanger | 19:35 in finland =) | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | i guess i was putting you in turkey or something | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | =) | 19:36 |
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| xdanger | I'm wondering that time is there =) | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | i mean a turkish timezoen | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | not the country | 19:37 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeehaw - only 1 request per pageview on plainblack.com now. (used to be 10-100, depending on admin mode). | 19:37 |
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| +luke___ | :-) | 19:37 |
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| xdanger | Actually finland is in the same zone that turkey =) | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | matt: is that due to the headers thing you came up with for the wre? | 19:37 |
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| @pbmdawg | not entirely... some is due to snippet caching | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | alright, so i suck on my timezones | 19:37 |
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| xdanger | so how long until the gathering? | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | 2.5 hours | 19:38 |
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| @rizen | that is, if anyone even shows up | 19:38 |
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| +luke___ | what for edges you mean ? bugs or ... | 19:39 |
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| @rizen | UI | 19:39 |
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| @rizen | processes | 19:39 |
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| @rizen | usability | 19:39 |
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| xdanger | so that's like 10pm in here | 19:39 |
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| +luke___ | ok | 19:40 |
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| @rizen | xdanger: if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be other sessions | 19:40 |
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| @rizen | i'm planning at least two more | 19:40 |
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| xdanger | my "usability/graphics" expert can't make it, he has a funeral tommorw... | 19:40 |
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| @pbmdawg | rizen - 0 sub-requests if the /home link is clicked. | 19:40 |
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| @pbmdawg | 5 sub-requests if the reload button is pressed (css snippets refetched) | 19:40 |
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| @pbmdawg | 29 sub-requests if a Shift-Reload is done (everything refetched - JS/images/css) | 19:40 |
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| xdanger | he has critisized some factors of admin interface and I would really like you to hear his input on the matter.. | 19:41 |
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| @rizen | matt: nice | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | we're getting better | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | if i wasn't running some big background processes on plainblack.com right now it would be really super fast | 19:43 |
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| @pbmdawg | heh | 19:43 |
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| @pbmdawg | demo sites upgrading? | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | you should have seen it this morning after the upgrade when nothing else was running | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | no | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | running the search indexer | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | it's indexing all 36,000 assets | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | on plainblack.com | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | =) | 19:44 |
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| @pbmdawg | have you created pop accounts for the various CSes yet? | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | no | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | i'm not entirely sure that I'm going to | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | at least not for all of them | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | haven't decided yet | 19:44 |
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| @pbmdawg | I can't wait to reply to support posts via email :) | 19:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | that'll be fun | 19:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | if I had a blackberry.... | 19:45 |
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| @rizen | that one will be set up in the next few minutes | 19:46 |
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| @pbmdawg | plainblack.com is slow now | 19:47 |
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| xdanger | I'm really looking forward for the Project managment and time tracking assets =) | 19:48 |
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| xdanger | once they get "stable" | 19:48 |
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| xdanger | Only waiting for crm, and that would be all that I really need =D | 19:49 |
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| xdanger | we'll intergration to a calendar, maybe... | 19:49 |
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| xdanger | rizen: maybe you should have said 21 CET, since I belive that we europeans all use 24h times... (not sure) | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | maybe you should post a reply | 19:52 |
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| xdanger | =) | 19:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | HEY gerald | 19:58 |
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| +crythias | heh | 19:58 |
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| @pbmdawg | HOW's it GOING | 19:58 |
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| +crythias | um. cool, I guess. | 19:58 |
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| +crythias | JT: what is the status on the RFE post you posted? | 20:00 |
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| xdanger | rizen: btw. is there anyone doing the benchmarking for the internal redirects? | 20:00 |
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| @pbmdawg | xdanger: no | 20:01 |
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| @rizen | gerald: i haven't even looked at it yet | 20:02 |
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| @rizen | just noticed your reply today | 20:02 |
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| @rizen | will probably work on it this afternoon | 20:02 |
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| @pbmdawg | bb in 2 hours | 20:02 |
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| xdanger | I could do the test tomorrow or the next... just don't now any other benchmarks than the ab for this =) | 20:04 |
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| @rizen | there are two types of benchmarks that i use | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | ab is certainly one | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | but i also like to use Time::HiRes | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | laced in the code | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | with $session->errorHandler->warn() | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | statements | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | cuz then i can get a good idea | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | of not only the whole overall performance | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | but the individual steps along the way | 20:06 |
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| xdanger | ok, that's what I have used also... | 20:07 |
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| +crythias | what is left to discuss? | 20:10 |
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| +crythias | some of the stuff I'm assuming? is noted and fixed... like slow discussion boards? | 20:11 |
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| @rizen | we haven't even begun yet | 20:12 |
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| @rizen | and i'd prefer not to begin talking about rough edges until 2pm | 20:12 |
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| @rizen | so everyone can participate | 20:12 |
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| @rizen | but if you have other things you'd like to talk about | 20:12 |
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| @rizen | let's hear them | 20:13 |
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| +crythias | 2pm is two hours for you? | 20:13 |
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| +crythias | "_ | 20:13 |
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| +crythias | :) | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | yup | 20:15 |
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| @rizen | welcome erik | 20:21 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | thanks! | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | just so you know | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | you're a bit early | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | 1.5 hours yet | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | before we begin | 20:22 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | yeah - I just wanted to see if I was at the right place =) | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | k | 20:23 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | Bug in th newest release? I noticed that the lock ability has been broken and it worked in .0 release | 20:25 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | BTW - I really like the way the "lock" has been implemented | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | works for me | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | i just did it on demo.plainblack.com | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | please keep in mind | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | that when you lock it | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | it doesn't show up locked for you | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | only for the other users | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | not in your version tag | 20:26 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | though I would like a smooth unlock (if entitled). As it is now I need to go to admin->versions. An "unlock" icon would be cool and a way to release the lock | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | i'm glad to hear that you like the lock | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | the problem with that is that you can't unlock | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | you either have to rollback the changes you've made | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | or you have to commit them | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | lock is really just an empty revision | 20:27 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | maybe a "quick commit" | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | there is a quick committ | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | look in your admin bar | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | after creating the lock | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | you'll see a "version tags" tab | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | with a "commit my changes" link | 20:28 |
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| xdanger | that's a great new feature btw ;) | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | thanks | 20:28 |
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| * snapcount stretches | 20:28 |
| xdanger | and that the adminbar doesn't show clipboard and packages if there are none ;) | 20:29 |
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| xdanger | aren't | 20:29 |
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| @rizen | correct | 20:29 |
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| @rizen | to save screen realestate more than anything | 20:29 |
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| greghacke | I miss anything cool? | 20:30 |
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| @snapcount | I stretched =) | 20:30 |
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| xdanger | but, we usually give the admin bar a fixed position so that you don't have to see it floating with you when you scroll... | 20:30 |
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| xdanger | don't now the real term for it, not a css guy =) | 20:30 |
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| xdanger | but so that it stays in sight even when yous scroll with out the "delay" | 20:31 |
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| greghacke | position: fixed | 20:31 |
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| greghacke | problem is, IE doesn't do well with fixed | 20:31 |
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| xdanger | could be =) | 20:31 |
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| xdanger | yeah, ie suxor major | 20:31 |
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| xdanger | we'll I'll be of to buy some beer and cat food =P | 20:32 |
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| xdanger | brb | 20:32 |
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| greghacke | or position: static ie has trouble with both and opera isn't fond of static | 20:32 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | I leave for a while - need to get some food :-) | 20:35 |
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| @rizen | see you in a bit | 20:35 |
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| +luke___ | re | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | oh how i hate xml | 21:35 |
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| @rizen | let me count the ways i hate it | 21:35 |
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| @rizen | 1) it's bloated | 21:35 |
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| @rizen | 2) it's overly complex | 21:35 |
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| @rizen | 3) most people that design schemas don't know what an egg carton is, let alone what it has to do with eggs | 21:35 |
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| @rizen | 4) it's not pretty to read | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | 5) it's slow to parse | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | 6) cdata sections are messy | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | 7) the only thing worse than xml schema is xml dtd | 21:36 |
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| @pbmdawg | can anyone here read Swedish? | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | 8) matt probably likes xml | 21:37 |
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| * pbmdawg barfs | 21:37 |
| @rizen | 9) did i mention how fat it is, it's like like matt's mom, it needs it's own zip code | 21:37 |
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| greghacke | so who is everyone? | 21:37 |
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| @rizen | anybody more more matt's mom jokes? | 21:37 |
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| @rizen | very much like yo mamma jokes, but all about matt's mom | 21:38 |
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| @pbmdawg | my mom surrendered her windows pc to a botnet the other day. her aol account sent out 600 messages on Sunday before it was shut down by AOL | 21:38 |
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| @pbmdawg | (not joking) | 21:38 |
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| greghacke | you are mean. letting your mother use AOL | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | was that on mother's day? | 21:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | she's getting a mac mini as soon as I get home next week | 21:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | yeah | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | was it the mothers day attack | 21:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | don't know | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | i'm just making that up | 21:39 |
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| * pbmdawg prepares a bugfix release of WebGUI Virtual Dev Environment | 21:40 |
| +crythias | wow | 21:40 |
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| +crythias | "you've got spam" | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | first release did not have mac address hardcoded | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | and the centos iso in the cdrom | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | thanks to greg for testing | 21:41 |
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| @pbmdawg | and it was missing dev.localhost.localdomain from the hosts file | 21:42 |
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| @pbmdawg | so spectre wouldn't start | 21:42 |
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| @snapcount | XML rulez | 21:42 |
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| @pbmdawg | n-e-waze | 21:42 |
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| +crythias | I was watching this lady going 35 in a 45 zone. cell phone in one hand, cigarette in another. My wife said, "that's really dangerous." I said, "I know, she's going to get brain cancer and lung cancer" | 21:43 |
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| @rizen | someone please fire roy | 21:44 |
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| +crythias | so, JT: why is xml so bad? It's great for perl processing to csv... | 21:44 |
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| * pbmdawg fires Roy | 21:44 |
| +crythias | I could do it in awk in like no time. | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | you could do what in awk? | 21:45 |
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| @rizen | fire roy?> | 21:45 |
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| +crythias | convert xml to csv | 21:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | s/xml/csv/g | 21:45 |
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| +crythias | heh | 21:45 |
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| * pbmdawg rotfl | 21:45 |
| @snapcount | never been fired with awk before | 21:46 |
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| +crythias | that'd be awk-ward | 21:46 |
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| * snapcount kicks crythias | 21:46 |
| @rizen | 10) xml is very easily corrupted | 21:46 |
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| * pbmdawg klines crythias | 21:46 |
| @rizen | 11) XML::Simple can't parse the XML feed from sf | 21:46 |
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| * crythias pays xml a lil bit unda da table. | 21:46 |
| @snapcount | isn't that like an oxymoron | 21:47 |
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| @snapcount | XML::Simple | 21:47 |
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| @pbmdawg | can anyone/anything parse anything from sf? | 21:47 |
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| +crythias | I could. | 21:47 |
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| +crythias | nobody asked me, I know. | 21:47 |
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| @snapcount | the NSA probably has a few machines lying around that could do it | 21:47 |
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| greghacke | having worked at NSA, don't be so sure about that... | 21:48 |
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| @snapcount | whoa... math geek? | 21:48 |
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| @pbmdawg | greghacke - as far as you needed to know. | 21:48 |
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| @rizen | 12) XML is a bad idea in most places, and a horrible idea everywhere else | 21:48 |
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| @snapcount | hehe | 21:48 |
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| greghacke | intel analyst and linguist for CT | 21:48 |
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| @snapcount | for Conneticut? | 21:49 |
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| @snapcount | don't they speak English =P | 21:49 |
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| greghacke | Counter-Terrorism ;) | 21:49 |
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| @pbmdawg | counter terrorism... don't you watch 24 | 21:49 |
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| @snapcount | as a 24 fan... I should know that | 21:49 |
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| @snapcount | JT you can't continue complaining unless you start numbering your gripes in binary | 21:50 |
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| @rizen | shall i start enumerating the reasons that binary sucks as well | 21:51 |
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| greghacke | but you are only alotted two reasons binary sucks... | 21:51 |
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| +crythias | 10 reasons that binary sucks: | 21:51 |
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| +crythias | heh | 21:51 |
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| @snapcount | there you go | 21:52 |
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| +crythias | 0 gotta start with 0 | 21:52 |
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| +crythias | 1 can't count higher than 1 | 21:52 |
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| +crythias | :) | 21:52 |
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| @pbmdawg | since we're talking about rough edges in wG7 in 9 minutes | 21:53 |
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| @rizen | 0 hex is more efficient | 21:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | how about some not-so-rough edges? | 21:53 |
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| @rizen | 1 stack overflow | 21:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | (until then) | 21:53 |
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| @rizen | that sounds like another one of your construed fine lines | 21:54 |
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| +crythias | If at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you. | 21:54 |
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| @pbmdawg | fishing for compliments on wG7 with that last missive | 21:54 |
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| +crythias | ooh.. it's kinda prettier :) | 21:55 |
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| @rizen | kinda | 21:55 |
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| @rizen | kinda | 21:55 |
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| @rizen | kinda?!?!?!! | 21:55 |
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| @pbmdawg | the default style actually looks decent in IE! | 21:55 |
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| @pbmdawg | yay! | 21:55 |
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| @rizen | someone pull geralds toenails out with a rusty pair of pliers please | 21:56 |
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| +crythias | yeah. kinda ... as in white on gray is nice if it's bold enough. | 21:56 |
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| +crythias | (I'm talking about plainblack.com) sorry. | 21:56 |
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| +crythias | why is the hover cursor an I beam over the menu? | 21:57 |
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| @pbmdawg | report it to SF | 21:57 |
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| @pbmdawg | :-D | 21:57 |
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| +crythias | (now I'm talking about demo.plainblack.com) | 21:57 |
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| @rizen | dont' report it to sf | 21:57 |
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| @rizen | we're not using sf for bugs anymore | 21:57 |
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| * pbmdawg cows in terror | 21:58 |
| @rizen | plainblack.com/bugs | 21:58 |
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| @pbmdawg | *cowers | 21:58 |
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| * rizen cowers | 21:58 |
| +crythias | ooh. your own little wg vido on how to start. | 21:58 |
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| * rizen whispers ' why are we cowering ' | 21:58 |
| +crythias | surprised the Edit button sill isn't cleanly transparent. | 21:59 |
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| @rizen | Well, 14 for a first turn out isn't too bad. | 22:00 |
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| @pbmdawg | 2 o-clock | 22:00 |
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| +crythias | hah! | 22:00 |
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| @rizen | Welcome to the very first community IRC day everybody | 22:00 |
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| @rizen | We're here today to talk about the rough edges in WebGUI 7 | 22:00 |
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| @rizen | Hopefully you've all had a chance to check it out at this point. | 22:01 |
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| @rizen | If not, feel free to do so on demo.plainblack.com | 22:01 |
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| @rizen | What do I mean by rough edges: | 22:01 |
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| @rizen | UI Problems...things that don't look as clean as they should | 22:01 |
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| @rizen | Usability problems...things that don't work as well as they should | 22:02 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o Meatbop] by pbmdawg | 22:02 |
| @rizen | Proccess problems...things that require more thought than they should | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | That's what I mean by rough edges | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | So with that, anybody have some opening remarks? | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | Anybody have comments? | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | Questions about WebGUI 7? | 22:03 |
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| +crythias | go into admin mode doesn't work in the demo: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | Scathing rebuttle about anything I've said? | 22:03 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o fdillon] by snapcount | 22:03 |
| +crythias | the link. | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | One more qualification | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | DO NOT use this discussion to report bugs | 22:03 |
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| greghacke | Having been toying with 7.0, I can tell you now that there are many functions that are very clean. | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | this is not the bug list | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs | 22:03 |
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| +crythias | when you log in, the link changes to http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started?op=auth;method=logout | 22:03 |
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| +crythias | ok. sorry. | 22:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Ok I have an issue | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It's in the asset manager | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | is it a bug? | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | or something else? | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the crumbtrail that sais where your are | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no bug | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | ok | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it just bugs me | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the last (rightmost link) is the location where you are | 22:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It makes no sense to click omn a link that brings you to the exact same location | 22:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | So I would opt to make clicking that link.... | 22:05 |
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| @rizen | It bugs you that it's linked? | 22:05 |
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| @rizen | or that' it's there? | 22:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | to return a pull down menu | 22:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just like the more function | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I usually click on the name of the asset | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the edit link | 22:06 |
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| xdanger | yeah, that would be nice | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so I have to go back | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and click edit | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the link doesn't bug me | 22:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's that you cannot the asset where you are at | 22:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | clear? | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | yup | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | written down and everything | 22:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:07 |
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| +crythias | why are the edit buttons below the move grab icon? | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | What else could be better? | 22:07 |
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| @rizen | smoothed out | 22:08 |
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| @rizen | etc | 22:08 |
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| xdanger | btw. asset manager doesn't work in safari... (I know, I'll report a bug) | 22:08 |
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| @rizen | btw: safari isn't a supported browser | 22:08 |
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| @rizen | the edit buttons are below the drag icon because they are | 22:08 |
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| @rizen | why is the sky blue? | 22:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has to do with breaking index | 22:09 |
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| +crythias | so put the drag to the left of the indicator icon? | 22:09 |
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| @rizen | gerald, the drag icon is where it is | 22:09 |
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| @rizen | cuz that's how it's positioned in the template | 22:09 |
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| @rizen | what is the "indicator" icon? | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | do you mean the class icon? | 22:10 |
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| +crythias | yes. | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | the one that tells you what type of asset it is? | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | tell me this | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | why would it be better over there? | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | also keep in mind that you're talking about two different templates | 22:10 |
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| +crythias | because people work from left to right. why split it? | 22:10 |
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| @rizen | the toolbar is in the asset template | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | while the drag icon is in the layout template | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | they're not part of the same toolbar | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | that's why they're split | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | drag is not a function of article | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | snippet | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | forum | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | or anything else | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | it's a function of layout | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | they can't be part of the same toolbar | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | cuz they are not in the same template | 22:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | A solution might be to put the drag icon on the left | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | left of what? | 22:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Since most article and stuff are aligned left | 22:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it might be more clear what the drag icon belongs to | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | left of what? | 22:13 |
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| +crythias | or make a full div drag bar like a window. | 22:13 |
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| @rizen | you said on the left | 22:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the left side of the assetbox | 22:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | still above | 22:13 |
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| xdanger | why not put the "drag-area" from the buttons until the right edge... like a window | 22:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but now it's algined right and above | 22:13 |
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| @rizen | xdanger, could you restate, i'm not getting you | 22:14 |
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| @rizen | btw...this is why the drag button is where it is and why it is...everybody has a zillion ideas | 22:14 |
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| xdanger | same what crythias is suggesting... | 22:15 |
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| @rizen | wait...let's back up for a second | 22:15 |
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| xdanger | I think... | 22:15 |
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| +crythias | |++++++++++++++++| | 22:15 |
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| +crythias | |[/][x][Edit][Cut][Copy] | 22:15 |
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| @rizen | why is the drag icon a problem at the moment? | 22:15 |
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| @rizen | maybe if i understand the problem | 22:15 |
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| @rizen | i'll understand the solutions you're presenting | 22:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I do not have a problem with it myself... | 22:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but if you have a very wide asset... | 22:16 |
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| nbcccorp | not nice to talk about people's wide assets | 22:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the drag icon is way over at the right of the screen | 22:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | while the other controls are left | 22:16 |
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| @pbmdawg | kind of like in the Dashboard, where the whole top row is a dragger | 22:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | they don't seem to belong to each other | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | yes matt, that's the solution they're presenting | 22:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or the same asset if you will | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | but i want to know the problem | 22:16 |
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| @rizen | so martin has one problem | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | are there others? | 22:17 |
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| +crythias | it's a rough edge, and not convenient nor really that intuitive. | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | gerald: that's a useless statement | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | i get that it's a rough edge | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | what i'm asking is why? | 22:17 |
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| @rizen | why is it a rough edge? | 22:18 |
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| @pbmdawg | if the dragger were bigger, the cursor:move area would be bigger, and it would be more obvious that there even is a dragger | 22:18 |
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| +crythias | it's not convenient on a large screen to drag your cursor all the way to the left to do a frequent task. | 22:18 |
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| +crythias | to the right | 22:18 |
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| @rizen | your cursor is on the right most times anyway | 22:18 |
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| @rizen | cuz that's where your scroll bar is | 22:18 |
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| kmaclean | if you have side by side page layout template with 2 side by side articles containing wide tables, then you can't get at the drag icon on the left hand article | 22:18 |
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| +crythias | I use a wheel | 22:18 |
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| @rizen | see now that's a good answer | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | thank you kmaclean | 22:19 |
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| kmaclean | no prob | 22:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I agree with gerald that controls for the same asset should be in each others proximity. | 22:19 |
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| @rizen | So if we make a full length dragger bar | 22:20 |
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| @rizen | that runs the entire length of the top of an asset | 22:20 |
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| @rizen | does that solve all the problems listed? | 22:20 |
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| @rizen | methinks yes | 22:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that would be better | 22:20 |
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| @rizen | what do you think | 22:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think yes | 22:20 |
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| @Vrby | I think yes | 22:20 |
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| +crythias | yes. and possibly *ducks* put the title in the drag bar. | 22:20 |
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| greghacke | actually, we prefer it to the right here. it's not a training issue or anything, it's a functional issue. well... what if we could just "also" use the asset indicator to drag? | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | greg: the reason you can't | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | is because the asset indicator is not a required element of a toolbar | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | and it isn't part of the layout template | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | it's the part of each asset template | 22:21 |
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| greghacke | Ah, see? is why you are you | 22:21 |
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| @rizen | ok | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | problem noted and will be corrected | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:22 |
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| greghacke | so, full length I could agree with but title is... not good for me. | 22:22 |
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| greghacke | My q - 508 compliance, I need to add alt/title to all form elements. Right now, I can do it on many elements but not things like the login username/password input areas | 22:22 |
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| greghacke | (or can I and I just haven't realized it?) | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | everything is a template | 22:22 |
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| +crythias | for administration of the website, greghacke? | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | so you can do it | 22:22 |
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| @rizen | but it might be a pain | 22:23 |
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| @rizen | we went through a section 508 compliance thing | 22:23 |
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| @rizen | and alt on form elements was not mentioned | 22:23 |
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| +crythias | sorry. missed the change topic cue. | 22:23 |
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| greghacke | the only one i seem to still get hit on and the one i get he the input | 22:23 |
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| @rizen | steve: do you know, is alt a valid attribute of input tags in XHTML 1.0 strict? | 22:24 |
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| @Meatbop | that one hadn't come up, so I'm not 100% on it | 22:24 |
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| @Meatbop | alt does not sound like a vaild attribute of input | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | A. 508 Standards, Section 1194.22, (a) A text equivalent for every non-text element shall be provided (e.g., via "alt", "longdesc", or in element content). | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | Rule: 1.1.2 - All INPUT elements are required to contain the alt attribute or use a LABEL. | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type TEXT, found at Line: 384, Column: 4 | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type PASSWORD, found at Line: 386, Column: 4 | 22:25 |
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| greghacke | that's what i get on my 6.99.x site | 22:25 |
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| @rizen | noted and will be investigated | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:26 |
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| @Meatbop | one thing that i've noticed in my use of versioning is that when you're finished and you have the option to 'go back to site' it takes you to your homepage instead of the last page you were viewing, despite the fact that the url of the page you were viewing is still in the address bar | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | yup | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | that's by design | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | the reason is | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | the page you were just visiting | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | since it is in the commit process | 22:26 |
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| @rizen | may not yet be visible | 22:27 |
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| @Meatbop | ah, the delay | 22:27 |
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| @fdillon | but if you click on the "back to site" in the left hand nav, it takes you back to the page | 22:27 |
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| @fdillon | er right hand nav | 22:27 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:27 |
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| @fdillon | on that same admin screen | 22:27 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | For simplicity: today the editbar consists of asset type, edit, cut, copy, create shortcut. Is it posible to remove the cut, copy and create shortcut since (in our case) it is seldom used compared to edit. | 22:27 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | Maybe these features should only be accessible in Asset manager? Or what about a configable <tmpl_var controls>? Or UI levele? | 22:27 |
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| @rizen | we had considered hiding them under the class icon menu | 22:28 |
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| +crythias | maybe hide them under (x)? | 22:28 |
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| @rizen | however, they are common enough | 22:28 |
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| @rizen | (x> | 22:29 |
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| @rizen | you mean delete? | 22:29 |
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| nbcccorp | in addition to that question (cantona) can we add shortcuts so instead of just edit,cut,copy we might have edit,cut,copy,display,security, etcc. ? | 22:29 |
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| @rizen | gerald: are you recommending hiding functions under th | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | delete | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | cantona: tell me this before we go further with this discussion | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | why is it a problem having them there? | 22:30 |
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| +crythias | yes, I was talking about hiding options under delete. | 22:31 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | since users click on cut and they dont now how o get it back | 22:31 |
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| @rizen | nbcccorp: this seems like it would just add clutter | 22:31 |
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| @rizen | gerald: you are no longer welcome to submit ideas | 22:31 |
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| @rizen | gerald: just kidding, but that's a bad idea | 22:31 |
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| @rizen | cantona: you don't teach your users about clipboard? | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | cantona: that's a very basic feature, and very important to webgui's functionality | 22:32 |
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| nbcccorp | maybe to you but I think it's kind of annoying to have to click edit then display when going through a bunch of different things. Why would simply extending the list of shortcuts be any more cluttered than just having 3 or 4? It's all on it's own line. | 22:32 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | many of ou users only have the ability to upload files (uilevel 1) | 22:32 |
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| +crythias | because delete to trash and delete to clipboard are all that different? | 22:32 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | and when they do this (replace a file) the get three other options - and they cant handle with it | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | nbccorp: because the act of adding something to anything else automatically means it's more cluttered | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | it's the definition of clutter | 22:33 |
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| nbcccorp | wow. thanks for the def. I do understand that but I don't agree that it will be more cluttered. | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | cantona: i see now | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | cantona: i think that could be made configurable by UI level | 22:34 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | cool | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | nbccorp: i wasn't trying to rip on you | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | nbccorp: sorry it came across that way | 22:35 |
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| nbcccorp | np. Sometimes it's hard to tell the diff. no sweat. | 22:35 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | What about adding "Lock" toi the control bar? | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | nbccorp: to me though this seems like much more of a nice to have feature request than an actual problem | 22:35 |
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| @snapcount | how do you change the rank of an asset in the asset manager? | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | nbccorp: please submit it as an rfe | 22:35 |
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| nbcccorp | However, I would rather have more shortcuts in one line than having to dig through multiple pages. | 22:36 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | and make that UI configurable as well? | 22:36 |
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| nbcccorp | agreed that it's more of a 'nice to have' than a problem. | 22:36 |
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| @rizen | snapcount: you drag the rank colum...but vrby says that's borked right now | 22:36 |
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| @snapcount | oh ok | 22:36 |
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| @rizen | cantona: lock is hidden under the class icon | 22:36 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | woohoo - new features =) (for me) | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | ok | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | now that the toolbar thing is resolved | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:37 |
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| +luke___ | What´s about renaming the Group "Secondary Admins" to "User Managers". They could only manage Users ? | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | luke: secondary admins can do more than just manage users | 22:38 |
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| @rizen | luke: with the right privileges, they can also manage groups | 22:38 |
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| +luke___ | ooups, i take the question back :) | 22:38 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have another | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | If you edit a template... | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and click help... | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you get the template asset help | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the templatre namespace you're editing | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | good point | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | say no more | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | adding it to the list | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I understand why it works this way | 22:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ah | 22:40 |
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| @rizen | added | 22:40 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:40 |
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| @snapcount | I think it might be nice if you could enable auto-commit again | 22:40 |
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| @rizen | snapcount: can't be done | 22:40 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | Versioning: locking assets: I would like to be able to see who locked a specific asset (today it says "locked" onMouseOve but not by who) | 22:41 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:41 |
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| +crythias | 15 seconds to load Etceter on plainblack.com? | 22:41 |
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| @rizen | cantona: you can't see that in the asset manager, but you can see it when you look at the revisions of the asset | 22:42 |
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| @rizen | cantona: if you'd like to see that, it's a nice to have, not a rough edge. please post it as an rfe | 22:42 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | ok | 22:42 |
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| +crythias | nm | 22:43 |
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| @snapcount | why have a link that says, "search" in manage assets... I think a search box would save a click | 22:43 |
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| @rizen | cyrthias: yes, i spent about 50 hours during this last dev cycle just speeding up cs | 22:43 |
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| @rizen | because you're switching modes | 22:44 |
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| @rizen | and eventually that will be more than just a couple input fields | 22:44 |
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| @rizen | you'll be able to search on date, owner, etc | 22:44 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:45 |
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| +crythias | speeds now. | 22:45 |
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| +crythias | that is to say, it's speedy, now. :) | 22:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I have one wouter mentioned | 22:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Wouter told me he'd like to copy assets in the am to the location where you are | 22:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the copy to clipboard->paste back cycle | 22:46 |
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| chansen | Good evening folks | 22:46 |
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| @rizen | cantona: i may add that last thing you asked for in 6.99.x somewhere...just depends upon time, ease of doing it, and whether it's going to cause any headaches | 22:46 |
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| chansen | Cantona_in_swe: svensk? | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | martin: like a duplicate feature? | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no really duplicate | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | imagine | 22:47 |
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| @pbmdawg | chansen: stay on topic; meeting occuring | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you want to edit a default template | 22:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so you want to have a copy of it in the same place | 22:48 |
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| +crythias | Yes. | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it makes no sense to first copy it to the clipboard | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | ok, i call it duplicate, what do you call it? | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | we need a new button name | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in the past temaplates and stuff used to have a copy button | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | cuz copy already copies to cliboard | 22:48 |
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| +crythias | I like duplicate. | 22:48 |
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| @pbmdawg | dupe | 22:48 |
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| chansen | pbmdawg: ok, sorry, I didn't thought it was a meeting | 22:48 |
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| +luke___ | "Copy to" | 22:48 |
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| +crythias | I have a question: why does pasting remove from clipboard? | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I unstood you wrong | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah duplicate would be a good name | 22:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | enderstood* btw' | 22:49 |
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| @rizen | crythias | 22:49 |
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| @rizen | because you're dealing with asset instances | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | and in most cases | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | you don't need to paste a thing more than once | 22:50 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | chansen: ja, göteborg | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | next | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | duplicate added to list btw | 22:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 22:51 |
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| +crythias | will commerce be handled by spectre in the future? | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | how so? | 22:51 |
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| @snapcount | async payment processing? | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | do you mean like batch processing? | 22:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's not possible in some cases | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | if so, no | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | because we'll never store peoples cc info | 22:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c you cannot contact spectre from outside webgui right | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | in the webgui db | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | that's true martin | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | but you could add an op to webgui | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | that would contact spectre | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I think snapcount means PayPal APN | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah that could be done I guess | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Well | 22:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the real processing is done now by an hourly plugin | 22:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so tha'll move to spectre | 22:54 |
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| * MrHairgrease gets back on topic | 22:54 |
| @rizen | it already has moved to spectre | 22:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I know | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | ok | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | ok new topic | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | How many here have played with 7? | 22:55 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | what's the "graphics" in the admin bar all about? | 22:55 |
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| greghacke | Me | 22:55 |
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| * MrHairgrease raises his hand | 22:55 |
| greghacke | Quite a bit as you can attest. | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | just a few | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Not very much right now cantona | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | or are most of you being quiet? | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | You can create palettes and upload fonts | 22:56 |
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| +luke___ | little bit | 22:56 |
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| kmaclean | a bit | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which ar eused by the graphing subsystem | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | of those of you who have played with it | 22:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It's only tied into the poll for now | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | a couple of questions: | 22:56 |
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| xdanger | I've been playing with svn version a long time now =) (mostly to see what new there is in it) | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | 1) Do you think that the goodness of the end result of 7, was worth the pain of 6? | 22:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:57 |
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| xdanger | yes | 22:57 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | yes | 22:57 |
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| +luke___ | sure ! | 22:57 |
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| @snapcount | si | 22:57 |
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| @pbmdawg | what pain | 22:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | It gavbe me a jog for two years | 22:57 |
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| +crythias | yes | 22:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | a job* | 22:57 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 22:57 |
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| xdanger | when I started using wg in 6.0 and read the roadmap, my only comment was "I wish I could have 7 already" | 22:58 |
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| greghacke | without a doubt. we struggled through 6 because even those benefits were worth my pain | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | 2) With the exception of new features that you'll obviously want added in the future, does it meet your expectations of what 7 should be? | 22:58 |
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| xdanger | and It's been a long wait, but 7 is awesome | 22:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 22:58 |
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| greghacke | rizen: it almost meets my expectations. in the 90th percentile | 22:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | The only thing that could be better is speed | 22:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that has improved a lot already | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | and as a follow-up of that question, what do you think should have been added to 7 to make it meet your expectations if it does not | 22:59 |
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| xdanger | crm | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | i don't mean what is on your wishlist | 22:59 |
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| xdanger | =) | 22:59 |
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| @snapcount | good one | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | i mean what did you expect to be in 7 that you don't think is there | 23:00 |
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| +crythias | themes? (question) | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | themes are there | 23:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | pr0n | 23:00 |
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| +luke___ | :-) | 23:00 |
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