| --- Log opened Thu Mar 01 00:00:52 2007 |
| +perlDreamer | I could use a little help with a debug. Is there someone in channel with IE7 and willing to help? | 00:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | i don't have IE 7, but i'm willing to help | 00:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | =) | 00:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | i can download it, but i have to leave in 10 minutes..so it will have to wait until either really late tonight or tomorrow | 00:10 |
|---|
| pjesi | why do you need ie7? | 00:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I was demo'ing WebGUI to a potential customer this morning with IE7 and the demo site was completely broken. | 00:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It works fine with Mozilla. | 00:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | So I'd like a double check before submitting a bug | 00:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | steve and frank told me they went through all of webgui and fixed everything ie7 related | 00:13 |
|---|
| pjesi | submit the bug to microsoft | 00:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: that's funny | 00:13 |
|---|
| pjesi | well it is their product that is broken | 00:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think there are open IE7 bugs on the board | 00:13 |
|---|
| pjesi | perlDreamer: is it specific to the demo template? | 00:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: I don't know | 00:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I beat a hasty retreat, blamed it on release day, and scheduled another meeting next week. | 00:15 |
|---|
| pjesi | I have always made sure firefox is available on the presentation computer on meetings | 00:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It was a spur of the moment thing. | 00:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | perlDreamer: what about the demo site is broken in IE7? | 00:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I created a demo site and tried to login as admin. | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It kicked me back to the demo create screen. | 00:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | k, i just tried that and it worked | 00:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | might've been a release thing, when did you do it? | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 8:45am PST | 00:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | so 11:45a roy's time | 00:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I was thinking of the IE6 and "IE and Firefox" bugs. IE7 is clean on the boards | 00:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: yup | 00:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | you might've been doing it while the demo sites were being updated | 00:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'll bring my laptop to the next one, just in case. | 00:22 |
|---|
| @preaction | is the empty style supposed to include <html> and the proper head tags? | 01:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I remember coming across that during testing. | 01:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | let me check | 01:05 |
|---|
| @preaction | it doesn't, but is it supposed to? | 01:05 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm thinking no, that you use the empty style when you generate the entire html doc yourself (or RSS, or otherwise) | 01:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | or when embedding in javascript windows, ala FormHelpers | 01:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Have you seen the bug about groupIdEventEdit? | 01:10 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think it's actually an opinion. What do you think? | 01:11 |
|---|
| @preaction | haven't seen it | 01:12 |
|---|
| @preaction | actually, groupIdEventEdit was set to the groupIdEdit of the Calendar | 01:13 |
|---|
| @preaction | they can change it. that's the idea | 01:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the bug is that it was set to 3 instead of groupIdEdit | 01:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | wait, it's groupIdEventEdit that got changed? | 01:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | ohhh, it's from the 7.2.3-7.3.0 upgrade | 01:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | bug already fixed? | 01:15 |
|---|
| @preaction | no, i believe that it is explicitly set to "3", let me check | 01:16 |
|---|
| @preaction | looks like it isn't explicitly set to anything, but defaults to "3" | 01:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | sidenote: I added a test to Style.t that explicitly checks for html, head and body tags in the empty style template. | 01:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | one-line fix: $properties->{groupIdEventEdit} = $properties->{groupIdEdit}; # line 238 of docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.2.3-7.3.0.pl | 01:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | now it will be guaranteed to let us know it changes. | 01:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the fix and try to run an upgrade. | 01:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | so it succeeds when there ISNT right? because i think i use the empty style on a bunch of ajax stuff that returns JSON | 01:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | unlike($styled, qr{(?i)</?(html|head|body)>}, 'useEmptyStyle does not have html, head or body tags'); | 01:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | word | 01:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it's a pretty simplistic check, but it gets the idea across | 01:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | i did a lot of that sort of checking with the output of getPage | 01:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | though i do think in the future we should make a nice getPageAsHTMLTokeParser (or something similar) that returns a proper HTML parsing object | 01:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I noticed that you used the same IO tied variable thing that I did. It doesn't work before perl 5.8, though | 01:21 |
|---|
| @preaction | nope | 01:21 |
|---|
| @preaction | but webgui requires 5.8 | 01:21 |
|---|
| @preaction | before 5.8 you can use the IO::String (i think, or IO::Scalar, one or the other) | 01:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | where does it say that we require 5.8? That's new to me. | 01:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I like it, but I was working under the assumption people would still use earlier perl's | 01:22 |
|---|
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui <- maybe testEnvironment.pl should "require v5.8.8" | 01:22 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | your 1-line fix, is that modifying an existing line or adding a line? | 01:24 |
|---|
| @preaction | adding a line | 01:24 |
|---|
| @preaction | should be right under a couple other $properties changes | 01:24 |
|---|
| @preaction | er, crap | 01:25 |
|---|
| @preaction | no, wait, that'll work | 01:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'll download and install a 7.2 and then try an upgrade. | 01:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think it will work,too, but I've been bitten too many times recently to not test anymore. | 01:26 |
|---|
| @preaction | true nuff | 01:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | dude, you did the world a service by rewriting the calendar | 01:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | um, preaction, will it upgrade calendar with no events? | 01:50 |
|---|
| @preaction | it should | 02:06 |
|---|
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 02:11 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 02:17 |
| pjesi | damn head.block | 02:18 |
|---|
| pjesi | !!! | 02:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | pjesi, if you can build a test for it that shows it's a bug, I'll fix it | 02:20 |
|---|
| pjesi | perlDreamer: it is so nondeterministic | 02:21 |
|---|
| pjesi | I cant figure it out | 02:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | so it's working sometimes, in some cases, but not in others? | 02:22 |
|---|
| pjesi | yes | 02:23 |
|---|
| pjesi | last time it didnt show at all, yesterday it was twice within <head/>, today it was once in <head> and once in <body>, later it was correctly only in <head>, now it is only in body | 02:24 |
|---|
| @preaction | same asset? which asset type? a page layout (if so, what assets does it contain?) | 02:25 |
|---|
| pjesi | Layout.pm | 02:26 |
|---|
| pjesi | it contains a whole site | 02:26 |
|---|
| pjesi | sorry, it is the head block of the Layout template | 02:27 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm just saying, there are a lot of ways to put head tags up there, and there's one correct way. some of the assets in the Layout might be putting things up there in the wrong way | 02:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think he's saying he has a headblock for the layout template, and that info (not any child info) is showing up all over the place, twice or not at all | 02:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | so in the Extra Head Tags part of the layout template, which should be put in the <tmpl_var head.tags> area that's handled by the style template? | 02:29 |
|---|
| pjesi | sometimes the child info is displayed as well (rss link for example) | 02:30 |
|---|
| pjesi | yes <tmpl_var head.tags> is in the Style | 02:30 |
|---|
| pjesi | it sometimes prints them there | 02:31 |
|---|
| pjesi | sometimes above the normal block | 02:31 |
|---|
| pjesi | anyways, I managed to push Hinrik into fixing this | 02:32 |
|---|
| pjesi | above normal block is at the top of <tmpl_var body.content> | 02:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I figured out what was going on with the upgrade. I short-circuited it and it broke the upgrade process quietly. | 02:44 |
|---|
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:47 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 03:01 |
| pjesi | it does look like it is injected in head.tags if I am not loged in | 03:10 |
|---|
| SDuensin | WHOO HOO! My photo gallery is (mostly) working! | 03:22 |
|---|
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #webgui | 03:36 |
| SDuensin | Anybody awake? I may be on the verge of a wiki article here. | 03:39 |
|---|
| streamlines | I'm here, but likely to be of much use to you. | 03:43 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Never know. I just need the name of a template variable. Can't seem to find it... | 03:44 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I uploaded a file and changed the menu title field. When I use file.menuTitle, it's blank... | 03:44 |
|---|
| SDuensin | If I use menuTitle by itself, I get the title of the folder the file is in. | 03:44 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I want to get the menuTitle of the file from inside a template for the parent folder. (This is for a photo gallery.) | 03:45 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Make sense? | 03:45 |
|---|
| streamlines | Sorry, SDuensin, I'm just getting into WG, still readning literature and figuring stuff out. WQish I could be more helpful. | 03:45 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Me too. :-) | 03:45 |
|---|
| SDuensin | WebGUI rocks. It's just big. Takes awhile to find everything. | 03:46 |
|---|
| streamlines | yup. I'm a tech, and knowenough perl, but yeah, WebGUI is BIG/ | 03:46 |
|---|
| SDuensin | "Enough Perl" == "Live Bomb" :-) | 03:47 |
|---|
| streamlines | that's exactly right. enuff to cause MAJOR issues. just another hacker. | 03:48 |
|---|
| streamlines | how long you been using WG? | 03:48 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I'm getting back into it. I used the 5.x series for a lot of sites. Had issues with 6.x and my server. Now I'm back. :-D | 03:49 |
|---|
| streamlines | wow. where'd you go? | 03:49 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Let me tell you... 7.x is a LOT different from 5.x. Very impressive. | 03:49 |
|---|
| streamlines | so you coming back from PHPland? | 03:50 |
|---|
| @preaction | SDuensin: it's possible the Image asset doesn't have a menuTitle for some reason. you might want to also try title | 03:50 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I've run a lot of other content systems since then. Never happy with any of them. | 03:50 |
|---|
| SDuensin | preaction - Isn't file.title the filename? | 03:50 |
|---|
| streamlines | any perl-based? | 03:50 |
|---|
| @preaction | durned if i know, haven't been inside the Image asset yet | 03:50 |
|---|
| SDuensin | No, streamlines. Perl was the problem. My host didn't have hardly any modules installed and my personal server didn't have the bandwidth I needed. | 03:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | preaction - Let me commit my version and show you what I have. I think you'll like it. | 03:51 |
|---|
| @preaction | Perl is too awesome for its own good | 03:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | preaction (and streamlines) - take a peek: http://new.duensing.com:2080/home/gallery/rylee/snow | 03:51 |
|---|
| streamlines | ahhh....so did you eventuall change hosts? I wonder how many others have that issue a a block to using WG? | 03:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | New host, and more bandwidth on my personal connection. I can run from either of them now. | 03:52 |
|---|
| @preaction | the little loading bar thingy doesn't like me :( | 03:53 |
|---|
| SDuensin | ? | 03:53 |
|---|
| @preaction | i click an image, and the loading bar shows up, but the image doesn't seem to load | 03:53 |
|---|
| SDuensin | What browser? | 03:54 |
|---|
| streamlines | I've gotta hop a firewall to get to see port 2080 too. That may be why. | 03:54 |
|---|
| @preaction | Firefox 2.0.0.1 Intel Mac | 03:54 |
|---|
| streamlines | that's why I still dont see anything :-). I'll fix mine. | 03:54 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Well, hell, that's what I have. :-) | 03:54 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Do you see the coat-of-arms above the menu? (Coat-of-arms == shield thing.) | 03:54 |
|---|
| @preaction | i see the coat of arms, but no menu | 03:55 |
|---|
| SDuensin | !!!! | 03:55 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm also a Visitor | 03:55 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Weiiiiirrd. | 03:55 |
|---|
| @preaction | that might be the problem | 03:55 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Crap. Menu fixed. | 03:55 |
|---|
| SDuensin | For some bizarre reason, it was set to "Ad Managers". | 03:56 |
|---|
| @preaction | that happens when it's not set | 03:56 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I bet I got a lot more screwed up then. | 03:57 |
|---|
| @preaction | oh: to make the rows have a uniform height: surround them in a div that has a height of the maximum height of your thumbnails | 03:57 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yea. Any way to pull that from a variable? | 03:58 |
|---|
| @preaction | the clicking works, it just took longer than i anticipated | 03:58 |
|---|
| @preaction | umm.... not that i'm aware of | 03:59 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Maybe my pipe is clogged. Dang users! | 03:59 |
|---|
| @preaction | someone's clogging the intertubes? | 03:59 |
|---|
| streamlines | hmm...same problem on my end. Image 10 of 16 works though. odd. I | 03:59 |
|---|
| streamlines | noticed some did and some didn't (some == atleast one). c | 03:59 |
|---|
| * SDuensin blames his LAN. | 04:00 |
| streamlines | clicked around more and no others workd. | 04:00 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Only 10 worked? | 04:00 |
|---|
| streamlines | didn't click all thumbs thoh. | 04:00 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Nothing different about 10. | 04:00 |
|---|
| @preaction | i got number 9 | 04:00 |
|---|
| streamlines | number 10 of 16. popped up the thingy where you can click next to nav to others. | 04:01 |
|---|
| streamlines | Ah. so maybe his pipe really is clogged. | 04:01 |
|---|
| streamlines | bu nav to tohers from the thingy (next / prev) didnt work either. | 04:01 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Dunno. | 04:01 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Sounds like clogged pipes. | 04:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | i assume tey work, just slowly | 04:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | is the thumbnail size a site setting? | 04:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | imma try to make a patch | 04:02 |
|---|
| SDuensin | For that test gallery, I didn't size those images at all. They're around 2 megapixel and the script scales 'em. | 04:02 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I think it's a site setting. | 04:02 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yes. Admin->Settings->Content | 04:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | but it can, unfortunately, be overridden per image | 04:04 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yea. I know. | 04:04 |
|---|
| streamlines | you trust a script to resize on the fly? what processor---oh yseah, macintel. nevermind | 04:04 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I don't trust it. I just know it does it. When this site goes live, I'll scale them myself. | 04:05 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's probably just setting a width/height in the CSS | 04:05 |
|---|
| SDuensin | That's my guess, preaction. | 04:05 |
|---|
| streamlines | ah.. .sorr. maybe some loop in the resize script? preaction got 9 and I got 10 ok? still having trouble loading any others. | 04:05 |
|---|
| @preaction | they just take 30 seconds about | 04:06 |
|---|
| streamlines | preaction, you getting em all now? | 04:06 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm up to 11 | 04:06 |
|---|
| @preaction | 12... | 04:06 |
|---|
| streamlines | oohhh. sorry. I need to keep quiet. and look at my other monotors every now and again. sorry again. Loading fine as you said. | 04:07 |
|---|
| SDuensin | hehehe | 04:08 |
|---|
| streamlines | (slink, slink). lurk lurk. | 04:08 |
|---|
| streamlines | I'll just go read my BRAND NEW wegui primer book. Amazing how much isn't obvious. | 04:09 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Looks like a variable won't help anyway. You can't add in a template thingie, so there's no way to include the margin. | 04:09 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I didn't buy the primer. Got the subscription to the docs. | 04:09 |
|---|
| streamlines | yeah, got that too. we should wiki article.... | 04:10 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I want to wiki this gallery after I get it sorted out. | 04:11 |
|---|
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has joined #webgui | 04:11 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:11 |
| streamlines | I haven't had time to get the BIG picture from the subscription. All is still a bit fuzzy to me. BEst thing in to dive in and test and hack. | 04:13 |
|---|
| streamlines | Then feel fuzzy enough to share via wiki. | 04:13 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Whoa. I have a template I can't edit. Every time I click "Edit" it acts like I did "View". | 04:18 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Grrr. Tried all I can think of. Restarting WebGUI now. Hope that fixes it! | 04:24 |
|---|
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:25 |
| SDuensin | That fixed it. Weird. | 04:28 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Ok, just need to find that template variable for the menuTitle. | 04:33 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Anybody? Anybody? Buelher? | 04:40 |
|---|
| -!- [2]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:42 |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:42 |
| -!- [2]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 04:42 |
| -!- streamlines [n=streamli@wsip-68-110-129-224.ga.at.cox.net] has quit ["Leaving"] | 04:48 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: i think menuTitle is a Wobject property, and Image is only an Asset | 04:58 |
|---|
| SDuensin | That hurts my head. | 04:58 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Why does it have a field for it then? | 04:58 |
|---|
| @preaction | nm, menuTitle is in Asset | 04:59 |
|---|
| @preaction | perhaps it's getting clobbered somehow? | 04:59 |
|---|
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 04:59 |
| SDuensin | I have no idea. It's inside a loop. | 05:01 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | So were PedersenMJ and my entries the only ones for the wcc - haven't seen any additions to the wiki at all :( | 05:37 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I didn't have time to write my photo gallery entry. :-( | 05:38 |
|---|
| @preaction | Radix-wrk: there's still 2 hours 20 minutes in the month of February ;) | 05:40 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Depends what time zone you're in I guess - but even still I'd have expected people to have added something by now | 05:41 |
|---|
| @preaction | yeah, i'm thinking no | 05:41 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Just a bit sad that there was only two of us who contributed. :( | 05:42 |
|---|
| @preaction | steve just tapped me for some perl code to add to the design for http://webgui.org, so hopefully after the split we have less people saying that WebGUI is Plain Black | 05:42 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | cool | 05:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | plus as evidenced in the IRC channel, the community is re-growing | 05:43 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | yup.. was only two others in here when I started! :) | 05:43 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | and neither of them said anything! | 05:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | yeah, back in the good ol' days | 05:44 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 05:44 |
|---|
| @preaction | well, maybe not so good | 05:44 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I still want to write my wiki entry. Just need to figure a few more things out. | 05:45 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Unfortunately, it's not going to happen in two hours and 15 minutes. | 05:45 |
|---|
| @preaction | eh, i imagine it ends when Roy reads his mail in the morning, so go ahead and submit, and maybe you'll be grandfathered in | 05:45 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | this with the photo gallery template that rizen gave you the other day? or something new since then? | 05:46 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I can't finish it tonight. :-/ | 05:46 |
|---|
| SDuensin | It's built off what he gave me. | 05:46 |
|---|
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-44-39.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 05:46 |
| SDuensin | http://new.duensing.com:2080/home/gallery/rylee/snow | 05:46 |
|---|
| SDuensin | My connection seems to be slow tonight, and the images need resized. Give it time when you click on one. | 05:46 |
|---|
| @preaction | and unfortunately, i just learned my frypan needs to warm up far more in order to cook proper stirfry | 05:46 |
|---|
| @preaction | i blame the fact that i haven't cooked chinese in a while | 05:47 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | electric wok ftw! | 05:47 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Like that gallery? | 05:48 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | I have a very nice, deep electric wok (2400w) that is great for instant stirfry.. heats up REAL quick and perfect for all sorts.. tis cool | 05:48 |
|---|
| @preaction | something i might need to look into | 05:49 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | my stove sucks, so I tend to use the wok for all sorts of stuff.. pasta, curries, etc | 05:49 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | SDuensin, neat! | 05:50 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Did you check out that SlideShowPro link I posted the other day? | 05:50 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Kinda similar in some ways except that one is all flash. | 05:50 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yea. Looked cool. Didn't look free though. (I've been on a hell of an OSS kick lately.) | 05:50 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | nah.. definitely not free | 05:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | It did look good though! | 05:51 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | and yeah, this one looks awesome if it's free | 05:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | This is really easy. Just toss images into a folder asset and assign the gallery template. | 05:51 |
|---|
| SDuensin | It's even smart enough to work out multiple galleries on one page and set up the paging for them. | 05:52 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I just wish I knew how to get to the menuTitle field of the image assets! | 05:52 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. you know what would really rock.. a webgui object that interfaces/links to a flickr set or something as they do have a full api I'm pretty sure | 05:52 |
|---|
| SDuensin | That wouldn't be too hard, I wouldn't think. | 05:53 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I'm not much for hosting my content elsewhere. That's why I was looking to do it all with WebGUI. | 05:53 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Anyway, I'll ask more weird template questions tomorrow when more people are here. | 05:57 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Night! | 05:57 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, it's hard for us aussies tho.. upload bandwidth is so limited here (1mbit max prettymuch without forking out a fortune) and it's slow for the rest of the world to boot. We can get away with hosting the images ourselves (providing they're not large ones) off our 1mbit uplink - but everything else, larger files, movies, downloads, pdfs, etc all have to go on external hosting for us or our net link is cactus | 05:58 |
|---|
| patspam | what's the proper way to update groupIdView on an asset through the API? | 06:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | $asset->update({ groupIdView => "newValue" }); | 06:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | unless you want to make a new revision | 06:17 |
|---|
| patspam | ah great, thanks | 06:18 |
|---|
| -!- patspam [n=notgiven@203-214-44-39.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] | 08:35 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@68.51.234.189] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 08:41 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:42 |
| Hinrik | http://paste2.org/p/1605 | 10:52 |
|---|
| Hinrik | how do I fix this? | 10:52 |
|---|
| Hinrik | /data is a symlink to /usr/local/data btw... | 10:52 |
|---|
| Hinrik | most non-ascii characters come out wrong | 10:53 |
|---|
| Hinrik | this is all supposed to be set to utf8 | 10:53 |
|---|
| Hinrik | it looks right if I start the client with --default-character-set=utf8, but that should be the default... | 10:54 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 11:04 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit [Client Quit] | 11:05 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 11:05 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 14:03 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:11 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 14:21 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 14:29 |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 14:29 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 14:29 |
| -!- pjesi_ [i=pjesi@klefi01.litlahraun.is] has joined #webgui | 15:58 |
| pjesi_ | hi guys | 15:58 |
|---|
| pjesi_ | I was asked to add a discussion board to the site but it doesnt show any controls | 15:59 |
|---|
| pjesi_ | so I tried the CS | 15:59 |
|---|
| pjesi_ | it doesnt generate any html | 16:00 |
|---|
| pjesi_ | any ideas? | 16:00 |
|---|
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 16:01 |
| -!- wgGuest97 [n=wgGuest9@zen.ecocoms.com] has joined #webgui | 16:04 |
| -!- wgGuest97 is now known as todor_k | 16:04 |
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:17 |
| -!- [1]NetForged_Nea is now known as NetForged_Neal | 16:17 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:20 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 16:20 |
| -!- mediak [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 16:55 |
| @snapcount | woo hoo... vpn time | 17:12 |
|---|
| @snapcount | back later | 17:12 |
|---|
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 17:17 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 17:17 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 17:23 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 17:31 |
| ckotil | How could i programmatically migrate Faq-o-matic entries to webgui , without writing a custom import script? | 18:49 |
|---|
| @rizen | you realize that what you just stated is an oxymoron right? | 18:49 |
|---|
| @rizen | how can i program without programming? | 18:49 |
|---|
| * ckotil sighs | 18:50 |
| ckotil | yes. | 18:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | i have one way you could do it | 18:50 |
|---|
| ckotil | im all ears. | 18:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | you could have someone else do the programming for you | 18:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | that way *you* didn't do any programming | 18:50 |
|---|
| ckotil | thats a technicality | 18:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's my only suggestiong | 18:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | minus the g | 18:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | k. | 18:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | does SQL count as programming? | 18:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | yes. | 18:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | k | 18:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | no suggestions then | 18:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | i might try to write something to crawl the FOM grab the text and create webgui assets | 18:52 |
|---|
| ckotil | id rather not do this by hand. (enter all the FOM entries into wG) | 18:52 |
|---|
| @rizen | that counts as programming | 18:53 |
|---|
| ckotil | indeed it does. i was just asking if there were a way to do it wihtout programming | 18:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | or if a script already existed | 18:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | crythias uses FOM for his webgui faq | 18:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | and theres a question. why not use webgui for the faq. | 18:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | to which there is not a good answer. | 18:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | he has an answer for that in his faq | 18:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | oh, i should reread it then. | 18:55 |
|---|
| +MrHairgrease | his provider doesn't allow webgui | 18:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | my group just decided to give up the FOM to use webgui | 18:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | oh :x hehe | 18:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | that isn't the only reason | 18:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | nor is it the reason he gives in his faq | 18:56 |
|---|
| ckotil | so i setup the file/knowledge repository structure in webgui. | 18:56 |
|---|
| +MrHairgrease | let me read the faq then | 18:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | in the faq he says something like: i didn't expect to stay with webgui very long | 18:56 |
|---|
| ckotil | i use shortcut assets in a few places for redundancy. it has come together quiet nicely, and is starting to fill up with content | 18:56 |
|---|
| ckotil | ah. | 18:56 |
|---|
| ckotil | navigation assets 0wn me. they are a life saver | 18:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | nice to hear, many people say they are the bane of their existience | 18:59 |
|---|
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit ["Leaving."] | 19:01 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:02 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 19:02 |
| ckotil | at first they were. | 19:09 |
|---|
| ckotil | now i make them my bitch | 19:09 |
|---|
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:52 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:52 |
| -!- pjesi_ [i=pjesi@klefi01.litlahraun.is] has quit ["leaving"] | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: For your FAQ-o-matic, you could HttpProxy it in, but that's a workaround | 20:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: re SDuensin's folder problems, the Folder only gives you a limited set of child Asset properties. | 20:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It's a bummer | 20:11 |
|---|
| @preaction | is it an RFE? i'll pump in some karma | 20:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | menuTitle is not in the list | 20:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It would be like a 10 second hack. | 20:12 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's easier to get the full gamut than it is to restrict :p | 20:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | well, yes and no | 20:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | $asset->get vs $asset->getTemplateVars is a whole world of difference | 20:12 |
|---|
| @preaction | $asset->get gets menuTitle | 20:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes, plus it gets every base Asset property, every base Wobject property and every specific Asset/Wobject property. | 20:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | We couldn't document that in the generic way that it is now. | 20:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | wait, there is a base WebGUI::Asset::getTemplateVars? | 20:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | ok | 20:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes, kind of | 20:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | every template in the end does $asset->get and appends it to the template vars passed in. | 20:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | (top-level asset template, not child level template vars) | 20:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | If every asset had a getTemplateVars, like the oh-so well designed Event and Calendar, it would make sub-classing them possible. | 20:16 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and testing them easier | 20:16 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and adding tertiary interfaces possible (think SOAP/WSDL, etc.) | 20:16 |
|---|
| @preaction | true enough | 20:16 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I guess what I'm saying is that we could file a bug report for the missing menuTitle and get it in now, and then talk with the big guy about larger interfaces in 7.4 | 20:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | using getTemplateVars as the way to get the base template vars of the asset that are general to every www_ method in the asset | 20:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I need a bug consult. I fixed half of a bug but need to know how to correct things that the bug has already broken. | 20:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction:are you saying every www_ method in Asset, or just in Event and Calendar? | 20:23 |
|---|
| @preaction | i don't know. it fits for Event because of the processing involved with the dates, but for something like a Folder, $asset->get works fine | 20:25 |
|---|
| @preaction | of course, WebGUI::Asset::getTemplateVars could just return $self->get; and let the child classes add to that | 20:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ah, I alluded to that earlier | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ->get and -getTemplateVariables are worlds apart | 20:26 |
|---|
| @preaction | that's what i was thinkng you were getting at | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ->get would meet 90% of most people's needs | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but also contains yards of Asset cruft | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | assetIds, templateIds, groupIds, etc. | 20:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | users will want asset names, template names and group names | 20:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that requires getTemplateVars | 20:27 |
|---|
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 20:40 |
| ckotil | pd: ive deleted every http proxy asset on my site | 20:47 |
|---|
| ckotil | it was causing apache to blow up. spiked the cpu and filled up the memory and swap | 20:47 |
|---|
| ckotil | web crawlers were pulling down our rrd files | 20:47 |
|---|
| ckotil | remember, the funky characters hitting my logs. | 20:47 |
|---|
| ckotil | id like to go back to using http proxy asset bc its really nice to get that content inline with the rest of my site | 20:48 |
|---|
| ckotil | What's this import script xtopher is using? | 20:56 |
|---|
| ckotil | importing content from static sites. i might be able to use that for my FOM entries | 20:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd, i'm back | 21:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | i guess i should say perlDreamer so that it actually makes a sound for you | 21:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 21:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You remember the file upload bug from 2-3 days ago? | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm not | 21:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | oh | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | just kidding | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | yes | 21:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the bug is fixed, but now people have images with no thumbnails | 21:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | should we script a solution for that? | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | there's already one | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | thumbnailer.pl comes with webgui | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | although, you could add a --flag to it | 21:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | to only generate thumbs for images that don't have them | 21:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the only side effect I see to that is ZipArchives may upload images, and they'd get thumbnails created in there, but that's not bad | 21:22 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'll post that as the response to the bug and add it to the gotchas | 21:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | yeah, they'd get them, but it shouldn't affect them | 21:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | so i think we're good | 21:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 21:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | is there a general threshold/metric for deciding when to create scripts to fix stuff like this versus not? | 21:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | did i do something deserving thanks? | 21:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you decided whether this should have more work done on it | 21:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | generally speaking we should try to fix stuff directly in the upgrade when possible and practical | 21:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | in this case, adding the thumbnailer to the upgrade is possible but not practical | 21:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | because it will slow down the upgrade considerably | 21:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and my guess is that most people don't care about the thumbnails or we would have had a lot more people raising a big stink about it | 21:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The thumbnailer script doesn't use Getopts for command line arguments. Can I convert it to add the flag? | 21:31 |
|---|
| ckotil | http://www.plainblack.com/uploads/3C/X7/3CX7ekuCh7O6SuhqPNj-gQ/IIPImportSites_poland_pl.txt @ $myfolder , im confused at the difference in templateId and styleTemplateId | 21:35 |
|---|
| ckotil | at $myfolder , im confused at the difference in templateId and styleTemplateId | 21:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | templateId is whatever local/asset specific template the asset uses to display itself. The view method. | 21:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | styleTemplate is there so that when you visit an Asset directly (via its url), it gets the style template for the site. | 21:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | does that help? | 21:37 |
|---|
| ckotil | ya , got it. thanks pd | 21:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd: yes | 21:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's one of the very first utility scripts i ever wrote for webgui | 21:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | so i'm sure it could use some TLC | 21:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | gotta reboot..brb | 21:41 |
|---|
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 21:41 |
| ckotil | pd im still confused actually... | 21:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | im inside.. | 21:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | my $page = $parent->addChild({ | 21:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | className=>'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout', | 21:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | and i see | 21:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | templateId=>"ahG2dUzE0GrK2kHWt6Qxdw", | 21:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | styleTemplateId=>$templateID, | 21:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | why would styleTemplateId match templateId | 21:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | shouldnt styleTemplateId be the sites style? | 21:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | im about to just go through with it on my dev box,a nd see what happens. ive already got a backup ready | 21:46 |
|---|
| ckotil | oh. nvm | 21:47 |
|---|
| ckotil | templateId must be different from $templateId | 21:47 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | bad variable naming convention | 21:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it probably should have been called $styleTemplateId instead of $templateId | 21:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | One way to check it is to go find the template associated with that Id and check it's template namespace | 21:48 |
|---|
| ckotil | ya i didnt that for article, and it checked out pbltmpl0000002. | 21:49 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 21:51 |
|---|
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 21:52 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 21:52 |
| ckotil | i dunno | 21:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | here goes nothing. | 21:54 |
|---|
| * ckotil crosses his fingers | 21:54 |
| @rizen | cut the blue wire!!! | 21:55 |
|---|
| * perlDreamer points out that rizen is color blind | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Alas, poor ckotil. We knew him well | 22:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | he must have died | 22:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | not a single reply in over 10 minutes | 22:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You sure about that blue wire? | 22:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | hmmm...i could have been mistaken | 22:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | it might have been the green wire | 22:12 |
|---|
| ckotil | im just frustrated | 22:16 |
|---|
| ckotil | im getting 'cannot open config file: at ....../WebGUI/Config.pm line 350, <DATA> line 225 | 22:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the scripts usually accept a bare config file name, without path | 22:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | also check read access | 22:18 |
|---|
| ckotil | im running as root. | 22:18 |
|---|
| ckotil | at first i got this error... | 22:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | and make sure you're spelling crap right | 22:18 |
|---|
| ckotil | Couldn't parse JSON in config file '' | 22:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm a terrible typist so i always mistype | 22:19 |
|---|
| ckotil | then i edited where it looks for the coonfig. | 22:19 |
|---|
| ckotil | this is how it originially was. my $session = WebGUI::Session->open("../",$configFile); | 22:19 |
|---|
| ckotil | i made it my $session = WebGUI::Session->open("../etc/",$configFile); | 22:19 |
|---|
| ckotil | running from inside sbin | 22:19 |
|---|
| ckotil | then i get the Config.pm error | 22:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Session->open wants a WebGUI root directory | 22:20 |
|---|
| ckotil | ok , so it was fine to begin with. | 22:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'd say the original error is true and you have bad JSON. | 22:20 |
|---|
| ckotil | k | 22:21 |
|---|
| ckotil | hrm, ive had this config since 6.99 | 22:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | recently modified? | 22:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | i think one my admins hacked it up a while back | 22:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | im editing WebGUI.original.conf | 22:29 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 22:30 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 22:30 |
| ckotil | still couldnt parse JSON in config | 22:37 |
|---|
| @snapcount | good lord, somehow I managed to burn this TV dinner | 22:41 |
|---|
| @snapcount | still not too bad though... | 22:41 |
|---|
| ckotil | hrm. my config has to be JSON | 22:46 |
|---|
| ckotil | this script still isnt working for me. any ideas? | 22:46 |
|---|
| ckotil | new plan of action | 22:53 |
|---|
| ckotil | after realizing this script will not be the end all solution to my problem. i.e grab all the entries of the FOM and represent them as layouts and articles. i will instead use the fileImport script | 22:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | and then deal with organizing hte mess of html files | 22:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | as file assets. for now | 22:54 |
|---|
| @preaction | snapcount: SYN? | 22:57 |
|---|
| @snapcount | ack | 22:57 |
|---|
| ckotil | yuck what a mess that is | 23:09 |
|---|
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d11-153.rb2.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #webgui | 23:10 |
| -!- Vrby [n=Vrby@d11-153.rb2.lax.centurytel.net] has left #webgui [] | 23:11 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 23:20 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: how about setting up a CS-based FAQ-o-matic? | 23:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but that takes you back to the JSON stuff | 23:31 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm thinking that the error you're getting should have a filename in those '', otherwise i'm thinking that it's not getting the configuration filename | 23:32 |
|---|
| ckotil | a CS-based FOM would be ideal. i think my group would go for that. | 23:37 |
|---|
| ckotil | yah, he '' is suspect | 23:37 |
|---|
| ckotil | s/he/the | 23:37 |
|---|
| @preaction | Session->open($WEBGUI_ROOT, $PATH_TO_CONFIG); # $PATH_TO_CONFIG should include 'etc/' iirc. otherwise WebGUI::Session->open should probably include some more debug code for when it fatals like that | 23:38 |
|---|
| @preaction | cannot parse JSON why? you know | 23:39 |
|---|
| ckotil | beats me. | 23:39 |
|---|
| ckotil | my conf is JSON. has to be. | 23:39 |
|---|
| @preaction | check $! or $@ as appropriate | 23:39 |
|---|
| ckotil | i even recreated it based on WebGUI.original.conf | 23:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you don't need the ./etc | 23:40 |
|---|
| * ckotil nods | 23:40 |
| ckotil | i removed it. | 23:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Config adds is automatically | 23:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that didn't help? | 23:40 |
|---|
| ckotil | nope. | 23:41 |
|---|
| ckotil | in the mean time i ran importFile.pl | 23:41 |
|---|
| ckotil | that ran off just fine | 23:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | if you like, you can paste that part of your script for us to look at | 23:45 |
|---|
| xdanger | my webgui installation isn't sending emails anymore... where should I start to look? | 23:47 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | spectre | 23:47 |
|---|
| xdanger | it's running | 23:47 |
|---|
| @preaction | mysql mailQueue table | 23:47 |
|---|
| xdanger | smtp server is working | 23:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you're running 7.3.10 or abovve | 23:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | do | 23:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | perl spectre.pl --status | 23:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | and see if there's some stuff gummed up | 23:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: off the top of your head, do you remember the PBP for constructing booleans out of complex conditionals? | 23:48 |
|---|
| @preaction | perlDreamer: nope | 23:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | k, thanks | 23:48 |
|---|
| xdanger | rizen: I'm running 7.3.8 | 23:48 |
|---|
| @rizen | then do what perlDreamer suggested and look at what's in your mailQueue table | 23:49 |
|---|
| ckotil | ill take it to the forums. | 23:50 |
|---|
| ckotil | thanks guys | 23:51 |
|---|
| xdanger | There's 8 mails, in the queue table... | 23:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | and restarting spectre doesn't clear them out? | 23:52 |
|---|
| xdanger | nope | 23:54 |
|---|
| @rizen | then either you have some other workflow gumming up the works | 23:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | check the running workflows screen in webgui | 23:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | or your mail server isn't taking the mails | 23:55 |
|---|
| xdanger | I was running spectre on --debug --run in screen... restarted that | 23:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | check the webgui.log | 23:55 |
|---|
| xdanger | nothing in the log | 23:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's the amount of support i'm willing to give you | 23:55 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen, that would make a great wiki article | 23:56 |
|---|
| xdanger | There are 3-4 screens of Hourly Maintenance Tasks in showRunningWorkflows | 23:56 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and would save you from asking all those questions every time to every spectre question | 23:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | good luck with that pd | 23:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | i don't write wiki articles | 23:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | i write books that are for sale | 23:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | and i have over 20 pages of troubleshooting material in that book i'm writing just on spectre | 23:57 |
|---|
| --- Day changed Fri Mar 02 2007 |
| +perlDreamer | roger that, rizen. Maybe I'll just copy and paste the most basic stuff from the IRC logs and then teach gooeybot a new trick. | 00:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | step 1? | 00:03 |
|---|
| gooeybot | step 1 is Check the error logs, both WebGUI and Apache. | 00:03 |
|---|
| xdanger | spectre debug prints something like this: WORKFLOW: Was told to wait on PihhW8apdQ7RQeke0sTwHg because we're still waiting on some external event. | 00:05 |
|---|
| xdanger | all the time | 00:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: can a mysql select statement be constructed to do the setting of groupIdEditEvent to groupIdEdit? It would require joining the tables and doing a revision subselect? | 00:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | have you noticed that the irc channel has pretty much killed the dev mailing list? | 00:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | devs are impatient? | 00:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | perlDreamer: update Calendar set groupIdEditEvent=(select groupIdEdit from assetData where assetData.assetId=Calendar.assetId); # maybe? | 00:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | oh, forgot the revision subselect as well | 00:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | might just be easier to update the current revision using API though | 00:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | rizen: i was thinking about mentioning something on the dev list about it, IRC is easier | 00:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | and surprisingly it's populated almost 24/7, thanks to our aussie and euro cohorts | 00:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | yeah, but it's also realtime | 00:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | if someone's active ;) | 00:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | which is a gift and a curse | 00:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | what's the curse part? | 00:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | not being able to queue up and respond to stuff? | 00:11 |
|---|
| @rizen | the curse part is you have to be here to participate | 00:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | technically you could read the logs...but unless you're dedicated you won't do that | 00:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | the dev mailing list is organized by threads | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | and it's not real time | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | so you can participate in the discussion on your own time | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | and only follow the threads that are interesting to you | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you're not here and you read the logs | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then respond 2 days later | 00:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | nobody will know what you're talking about | 00:13 |
|---|
| xdanger | WORKFLOW: Total workflows waiting to run: 720 | 00:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | on the dev mailing list...everyone knows | 00:14 |
|---|
| xdanger | The number isn't going down.. | 00:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | there's your problem xdanger...you have a clog | 00:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you upgrade to 7.3.10+, the ones that can run will | 00:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the others will be left | 00:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | thusly explaining where your clog is | 00:14 |
|---|
| xdanger | ok | 00:14 |
|---|
| xdanger | great | 00:14 |
|---|
| xdanger | Don't have the time to upgrade right now, but will do that tommorrow... | 00:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's the beauty of the new queuing system in 7.3.10...it can't get clogged | 00:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you can call it DRAINO | 00:15 |
|---|
| xdanger | that good =) | 00:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | you can have stuff that doesn't work...but everything else continues working | 00:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | and you can then just fix the problem children | 00:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd: why didn't you come up with that when we were talking about it before? | 00:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | i could have named it DRAINO | 00:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | heeh | 00:16 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Dynamic Reallocation of Asynchronous INternet Objects | 00:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | nope | 00:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | time to test thumbnailer 2.0 | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | that doesn't make any sense | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | ooooooh | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | thumbnailer 2.0 | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's my favorite | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | did you upgrade it to use File::Find | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz i should have done that long ago | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | want a preview? | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot pastebin? | 00:18 |
|---|
| gooeybot | pastebin is http://pastebin.ca | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | just check it in | 00:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | then i'll have a preview | 00:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it's in | 00:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and untested | 00:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | <insert standard disclaimer here> | 00:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | Dynamic Running of Asychronous INdependant Outcomes | 00:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | we need an acrobot in here | 00:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | what do you know? the thing worked the first time! | 00:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | <remove standard disclaimer> | 00:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | looks good | 00:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | ooh | 00:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | nevermind | 00:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's crap | 00:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | it doesn't have the standard --help option | 00:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | that all other utils do | 00:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | --help it is | 00:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | -2 bugs | 00:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Is the clipboard now shared by default? | 00:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | shared? | 00:52 |
|---|
| @rizen | you mean between users? | 00:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:53 |
|---|
| @rizen | no | 00:53 |
|---|
| @rizen | each user has their own clipboard | 00:53 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking at susanb's clipboard bug. She cut something from a page and then deleted the page. Since the parentId points to the page, the clipboard item got deleted, too. | 00:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Is that fixable? | 00:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | We'd need some "safe" clipboard parent/folder thingy | 00:54 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's not fixable | 00:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's a side effect of the way clipboard is done these days | 00:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | the old way was that we moved it to a "clipboard" node | 00:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | but in that way, it was impossible to truely "restore" it back to where it was | 00:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | so with the asset tree, it's left in place and just marked as clipped | 00:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | but that means if it's parent goes away so does it | 00:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | which is actually how all operating system filesystems work too | 00:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you "copy" a file | 00:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then delete the folder the file belongs to | 00:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then try to "paste" the file | 00:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | you can't do it | 00:57 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll look to see if we can add something to the docs and then close the bug | 00:57 |
|---|
| Radix_ | can't remove the item from the trash? | 00:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | huh? | 00:58 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Radix_: clipboard, not trash | 00:58 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | although you can't restore from the clipboard either, can you? | 00:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | yes you can | 00:58 |
|---|
| Radix_ | "She cut something from a page and then deleted the page." | 00:58 |
|---|
| Radix_ | so undelete the page, then it would come back, no? | 00:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | Admin Console > Clipboard > Restore | 00:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | yes, if she were to restore from trash, the page would come back into existence | 00:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | but it would no longer be in the clipboard | 00:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | it would be out onthe page | 00:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | because she performed a "restore" operation to get it back | 00:59 |
|---|
| Radix_ | Ahh k.. clipped flag gets reset | 00:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | and "restore" republishes | 00:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ah, I see now | 01:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | oh and pd | 01:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | sir? | 01:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you try to paste an asset back to the page it was already on..it does a restore operation rather than a paste | 01:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | because it's more efficient, and more likely what the user intended | 01:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | so that's a shortcut to restore | 01:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I also found out that you can restore an asset copied to the clipboard, which duplicates it on the page where it was copied from. | 01:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | right | 01:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | because the copy operation works like this: | 01:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | 1) duplicate | 01:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | 2) cut | 01:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | therefore even though you didn't see it, for a split second it was on the page | 01:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | =) | 01:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | sounds like we need a Clipboard, Using help entry | 01:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | probably a wiki page rather than a help page | 01:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | why? | 01:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz it's more tutorial and less reference | 01:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the help is a big bloated pile | 01:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | already | 01:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the more shit you keep adding to the help | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | the more memory webgui uses | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm starting to formulate a plan about it actually | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | and that is that the only thing that should go into help | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | is stuff that is version specific | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | like fields and template variables | 01:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | everything else should be linked out to the wiki | 01:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | between hoverHelp and the upcoming template variable manager, maybe we wouldn't even need online help. | 01:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | just a link to the Wiki | 01:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | actually, that's a good point | 01:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | and it also solves the searchability problem | 01:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz the wiki is searchable | 01:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | and will be taggable | 01:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | and it makes it far easier for translators | 01:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz they don't have to translate all the help in order to make a translation for webgui | 01:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | just the stuff that matters | 01:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we wouldn't have any translated docs for wiki entries, though | 01:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's not like we do now anyway | 01:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | we don't have any real translations | 01:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | really? | 01:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I've never looked at them | 01:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | and on top of that, if someone wants that they can start a wiki on one of the other webgui worldwide sites | 01:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | nobody has really translated webgui since 5.x | 01:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | the dutch team is supposedly almost finished with a webgui 7 translation | 01:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | but i haven't seen it | 01:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | the more we can remove from help, the better as a far as webgui's memory usage goes | 01:10 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:11 |
|---|
| @rizen | and like i said, since wiki is searchable, it's better for the user as well | 01:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | is the help->wiki transition scheduled, or just a generic RFE? | 01:11 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's just one of my rough ideas | 01:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'll stop blowing in more information, except for fields and template variables then. | 01:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's not officially an rfe or on the scheudle | 01:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | but maybe we should do it for 7.4 as we do the template variable translation | 01:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | from foo.bar to foo_bar | 01:13 |
|---|
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 01:13 |
| @rizen | we'll be in there doing major revamp anyway | 01:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | as long as we can cut and paste from the online help to the wiki and it's fast, it shouldn't be too much work | 01:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | might as well take care of both | 01:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | yup | 01:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the downside is that I can't write wiki articles | 01:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | you can't? | 01:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | why not? | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | for the same reason as me? | 01:14 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | not at $dayJob. Old Mozilla doesn't work with YUI tabs | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | oh | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's no bother | 01:14 |
|---|
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] | 01:14 |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 01:14 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 01:14 |
| @rizen | i actually can assign a pb staffer to do it | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | the copy paste job i mean | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | it certainly shouldn't be you doing it | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | or me for that matter | 01:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | we have more important fish to fry | 01:15 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | why not? I'm a volunteer. I'm cheap. | 01:15 |
|---|
| @preaction | rizen: last i heard, the dutch team had a translation of 7.2.3 | 01:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | you're a highly skilled and talented volunteer | 01:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | and therefore not cheap | 01:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | time is just as valuable as money | 01:15 |
|---|
| @preaction | we need to keep you happy, and we can't use money to do it | 01:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | and i have a data entry person on staff | 01:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | so she can do it | 01:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | i just sent her an email about it. she's out sick this week, so i'll get her started on it next week | 01:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd: the tabs are supposed to degrade gracefully | 01:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | what do you see? | 01:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I see all 3 tabs, but I can't flip between them. | 01:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I only get the view tab | 01:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | ah. therein lies the problem | 01:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's not that you don't have css/javascript capability | 01:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's that you have a crappy implmeentation of both | 01:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Mozilla 1.4 | 01:20 |
|---|
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | as she does the copy and paste, if she lets me know I can start pulling the articles out of the help as well | 01:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and all links to it | 01:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | we can just do that when she's done | 01:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then the help icon in webgui will just link directly to http://wiki.webgui.org/ | 01:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Do you know Isaac's last name and company so I can give him credit in the changelog for a bug with patch? | 01:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | nope | 01:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the only thing the help will need to do is do inheritance for fields and template variables. | 01:28 |
|---|
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@143.sub-75-206-207.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Still looking for help on folder template variables? | 01:32 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yea! | 01:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction and I had a long talk about it this morning | 01:32 |
|---|
| * SDuensin has a broken network at the moment. Storms knocked it out. | 01:32 |
| SDuensin | Oh? | 01:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | menuTitle is not an available template variable in the folder. | 01:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewHelp;hid=folder%20template;namespace=Asset_Folder | 01:33 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Loding | 01:33 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Loading, too. | 01:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Here's our suggestion | 01:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 1) File a bug for the missing menuTitle template var. | 01:34 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that can be fixed quickly | 01:34 |
|---|
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Submit an RFE to review which template vars are provided for each Asset in the folder. | 01:34 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Awesome. :-) Thanks! | 01:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It could do something like a $asset->get(), which would populate all the asset variables | 01:35 |
|---|
| SDuensin | I can't even get to my WebGUI install with my net down. :-( | 01:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen can weigh in on the cost/side effects and give us a good permanent solution | 01:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | rizen is not here right now. if you would like to leave a message for rizen, leave it after the beep. | 01:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | BEEP | 01:36 |
|---|
| SDuensin | :-P | 01:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen: would rizen have a cow if inside the Folder file_loop it did $asset->get instead of assigning a subset of template variables? | 01:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it would make the template variables big | 01:36 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Big, schmig. RAM is cheap. :-) | 01:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but potentially very handy | 01:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Big = Slow = fewer pages/second | 01:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | instead? | 01:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | care to restate that | 01:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | right now it cherry picks asset variables | 01:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | look agai | 01:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | again | 01:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | inside the file_loop, there's getId, canView, getIcon, getName, getUrl, etc... | 01:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | it cherry picks variable. not variables | 01:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | the other things are method calls | 01:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | therefore, instead = no | 01:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | in addition to? | 01:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | in addition or as a base, sure | 01:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 01:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 7.4-ish or 7.3.12-ish? | 01:39 |
|---|
| SDuensin | :-) | 01:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | wait a second | 01:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | this will never work with the template variable editor | 01:40 |
|---|
| SDuensin | rizen, I'm expanding the template you gave me into a nice gallery. I want the menuTitle of the images to use as a long description while keeping their filename in the title. | 01:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: use the synopsis instead | 01:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd is right | 01:41 |
|---|
| SDuensin | That's what I was thinking after reading the help URL you posted, perlDreamer . | 01:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you're right. | 01:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the current help system is completely broken | 01:42 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Dunno why I couldn't find that help the other night. Looked all over the place. | 01:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | in that case, let's put the brakes on the whole concept of altering folder template variables | 01:43 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Yea. Synopsis works for me. | 01:44 |
|---|
| * SDuensin wants his net fixed so he can finish the gallery! | 01:44 |
| * SDuensin is going to eat. Thanks again! | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | That's why they pay me the big bucks | 01:44 |
|---|
| SDuensin | heheh | 01:45 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | besides, it was rizen who put our heads on right | 01:45 |
|---|
| @rizen | the folder asset rocks | 01:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's why we're doing a whole talk on just that at the wuc | 01:46 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | are you covering folder podcasting? | 01:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | i don't know exactly what all will be covered | 01:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | lots of cool stuff | 01:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | steve won't have his outline done until april | 01:49 |
|---|
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has joined #webgui | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | xtopher has been busy today | 02:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | --bug | 02:04 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | in the asset view, with the More->Revisions option. If you delete those revisions is that for ONLY that object, or all items in that revision history? | 02:13 |
|---|
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@213.51.36.23] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 02:16 |
| @preaction | just that asset | 02:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's probably just delete from assetData, <tablename> where revisionDate = ? | 02:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | (or similar, not exact) | 02:17 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | that's what I thought, but wanted to make sure - never used it before :) | 02:17 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | just answering a question on the forums | 02:18 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/overwritting-images-in-the-assets-bin | 02:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | ah | 02:19 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | wanted to make sure that I was right in my assumptions :) | 02:19 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | If I'm not, I'll blame you now.. it's cool :) | 02:20 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | hehe | 02:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | i can be the pariah! | 02:20 |
|---|
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit [""""] | 02:45 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:05 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:05 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:31 |
| PedersenMJ | good <insert time of day here> | 04:32 |
|---|
| -!- NetForged_Neal [n=Neal@c-24-20-104-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] | 04:39 |
| Radix-wrk | yo | 04:49 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | How goes it? | 04:56 |
|---|
| @rizen | the first of the three books is done | 04:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | 400 pages later | 04:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | have some formatting to do, and then it will be available for purchase | 04:57 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Sweet. Which one is it that's done? | 04:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | the content managers guide | 04:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm 1/3 of the way through the admins guide | 04:58 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Hard for me to decide which of those two I'd be more interested in buying. Will buy both, most likely. | 04:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | there's also the designer's guide | 04:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | but that's going to be the last one out | 05:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | lots of code examples to generate for that one | 05:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | so it takes the longest | 05:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | oh...and don't you have WebGUI Done Right | 05:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | ?? | 05:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz i think we're going to offer coupons to WDR subscribers to get two of the 4 books we have for free if you have 6mo left on your WDR contract | 05:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | don't quote me on that though...cuz it hasn't been decided for sure | 05:02 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | I do have that subscription, yeah. | 05:02 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | That would be cool, since I only got that this past Dec. | 05:02 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Sorry for my idleness, doing banking tonight (yay. paying bills is fun! :p | 05:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | gooeybot, smart questions is http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 05:27 |
|---|
| gooeybot | OK, preaction. | 05:27 |
|---|
| +crythias | gooeybot, gerald is fired. | 05:54 |
|---|
| gooeybot | OK, crythias. | 05:54 |
|---|
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 05:54 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 05:54 |
| +crythias | gerald? | 05:54 |
|---|
| gooeybot | gerald is fired. | 05:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | oh dear | 05:54 |
|---|
| * PedersenMJ ponders doing the "smart question" version of "who is Gerald?", but realizes he'd spend an awful lot of time on prepping that question, and is just too impatient. So, who is gerald? | 05:55 |
| +crythias | gooeybot, pi is 3.1415926535 (at least) | 05:55 |
|---|
| gooeybot | OK, crythias. | 05:55 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | gerald == crythias | 05:55 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Crythias: Am hoping you're not saying you're now jobless? | 05:56 |
|---|
| * PedersenMJ is dense, yes. | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | crythias, don't you mean 3.1415926535 +/- 1.0 ? | 05:56 |
|---|
| +crythias | oh, no. just relaying rizen's viewpoint. | 05:56 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | gooeybot, perlDreamer is the Indiana State Legislature. | 05:56 |
|---|
| gooeybot | ...but perldreamer is bug empowered... | 05:56 |
|---|
| +crythias | never ask a question you don't already know the answer to. | 05:56 |
|---|
| +crythias | perldreamer: pi is never less than 3, even for very small values of pi. | 05:57 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | now, if only I was bug sponsored... | 05:57 |
|---|
| +crythias | now, if only I were more creative in a website... | 05:58 |
|---|
| +crythias | design is for pansies. | 05:58 |
|---|
| +crythias | erm. oops | 05:58 |
|---|
| +crythias | I meant to say, design is for people who have time to make things purty. | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | so i just demo'd drupal for the first time | 05:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | what did you think? | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | and i have to say...it was pretty cool | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | someone told me today that drupal was twice as powerful as webgui | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | so i had to see for myself | 05:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | any lessons we can learn from them? | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you define power as flexibility...drupal is 1/1000 as powerful as webgui | 05:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you define power as easy to use then drupal is 1:1 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you define power as number of features then drupal is 1/100 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | BUT | 06:00 |
|---|
| +crythias | I love the new cms's coming out : it can do anything you want to do ... as long as you do it. | 06:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | if you define power as how quickly you can build your first site without knowing anything, then drupal is 10/1 as powerful as webgui | 06:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | which makes me think....we have a weakness | 06:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | and it needs to be corrected in 7.4 | 06:01 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Well, to be fair, JT, with that as your yardstick, raw HTML is about 10/1 as powerful as WebGUI. Unless you count interactivity in that list. | 06:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | how do we do that? | 06:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | bring back an old idea that i had | 06:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | but never implemented | 06:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | that is | 06:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | at the end of the little startup session (asks you your user/pass/email etc) | 06:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | we ask the user if they wish to use the new site guided setup | 06:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | if they say yes | 06:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | then we lead them through a wizard | 06:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | it asks them if they want a contact form | 06:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | and if so, we add a page with a dataform asset preconfigured on their site | 06:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | it asks them if they want forums...if so we put a message board up with a common list of forums in it | 06:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | we ask them more about their organization...they provide a paragraph and a logo | 06:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | and we create an about us page | 06:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | we also hold on to that logo | 06:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | because as part of this process | 06:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | like the style wizard on steroids | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | we give them a little design wizard | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | that will help them either pick a predesigned style | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | or make one from scratch | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | whatever we decide is easiest | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | but when they hit "save" for the last time | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | they have a fully built site | 06:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | without using the regular webgui UI | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the key here is, that now that they have something familiar to them | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | they'll be able to play around with that | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | and learn how the regular ui works | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | because editng an existng asset | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | is far less scary | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | than adding a new one for the first time | 06:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | everybody agree with the plan? | 06:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | and dissenters? | 06:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | any changes or additions? | 06:07 |
|---|
| +crythias | gerald? | 06:07 |
|---|
| gooeybot | gerald is fired. | 06:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | gooeybot forget gerald | 06:07 |
|---|
| gooeybot | rizen: I forgot gerald | 06:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | now he's not fired anymore | 06:07 |
|---|
| +crythias | ok... now'm simply forgotten *sniff* | 06:08 |
|---|
| +crythias | :) | 06:08 |
|---|
| +crythias | anyway, sure, good idea. | 06:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | gooeybot, gerald is faq-o-licious | 06:08 |
|---|
| gooeybot | OK, rizen. | 06:08 |
|---|
| +crythias | faq me? | 06:08 |
|---|
| @rizen | no feedback at all from anybody | 06:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | except gerald | 06:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | who seems pretty ho-hum about it | 06:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | gooeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:10 |
|---|
| gooeybot | ...but everyone is supposed to think i'm the jackass that shoots everyone's ideas down... | 06:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | goeybot forget everyone | 06:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | gooeybot, forget everyone | 06:10 |
|---|
| gooeybot | rizen: I forgot everyone | 06:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | goeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:10 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Actually, it *is* a good idea. | 06:10 |
|---|
| @rizen | gooeybot, everyone is asleep | 06:11 |
|---|
| gooeybot | OK, rizen. | 06:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | hang on, preparing to nuke the site from orbit | 06:11 |
|---|
| * crythias smiles just like Might Guy of Naruto... | 06:11 |
| PedersenMJ | Here's my one negative thought about it, though: How is it actually different from what exists right now? | 06:11 |
|---|
| @rizen | there's no guided setup to webgui at all right now...you get stuck with a bunch of demo pages that you have no relatonship with | 06:12 |
|---|
| +crythias | it allows people to kinda start with "their stuff" rather than "pb's stuff" | 06:12 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | What you actually get right now is a fully functioning website. The only real differences (that I can see from my pov) is that you might add the first few assets for them. | 06:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | when the guided setup is over, you'll have a functioning site that is all your content | 06:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | well, not all but enough to see where to go from there. | 06:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | ok..granted | 06:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | but the key here is that it's a siite they can relate to | 06:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | not just a bunch of demo content from us | 06:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 06:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's got a working style that has their logo in it | 06:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's got the default pages that they want to have | 06:13 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Okay, that makes sense. That's the major difference that wasn't clicking for me. | 06:13 |
|---|
| @rizen | basically.. the goal is that within 10 minutes | 06:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | they should be able to turn on the site and say, hey visitors, look at me, i'm on the web | 06:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | can we add an option for a "blank" site as well? that just the import node and the bare minimum of required stuff (and doesnt' create that demo content?) | 06:15 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Yes, please do! | 06:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | i don't think that would be a good idea | 06:16 |
|---|
| @preaction | i mean, if we're going that way, may as well go the full nines | 06:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | no...that's going the opposite direction | 06:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | the only people that will want that are people that already know what they're doing in webgui | 06:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | and those people can just as easily delete the existing content | 06:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | noob users should never have that option shown to them | 06:17 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | But, it would be nice to be able to have an empty slate right from the start. | 06:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | why? | 06:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | true, a luser will select it and wonder wtf | 06:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | first of all...how fucking lazy are you that you can't spend the 30 seconds to delete the default content | 06:17 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | I work on computers. That right there makes me lazy to some degree. | 06:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | and secondly, what does it get you? really...what? | 06:18 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Nothing other than convenience factor. | 06:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | no...what convenience? | 06:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | what convenience does it give you? | 06:18 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | The convenience of not having to delete the page layouts and then create new. | 06:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | really? are you sure that's what it gives you? | 06:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | what it really gives you is extra setup time | 06:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | because now you have to create a home page | 06:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then go into the settings and set it as a home page | 06:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz you won't even have a home page under your plan | 06:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | the layout itself is there, just no content, no subpages, nothing else, at least that's what i was figuring | 06:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | does drupal have a guided installer like this? What makes it easier to do an initial setup | 06:19 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Unless what is actually installed is just a blank home page. | 06:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | drupal has no guided setup...what it has though is no flexibility | 06:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | and that's why it's easy to get started | 06:20 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | I have to agree with PedersenMJ - it would be nice to have a blank slate as an option - I think a basic home page with no pictures/articles/etc would be nice. | 06:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | let's get it straight: i said no | 06:20 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Just my 2c | 06:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | the whole point of this discussion is to help out noobs | 06:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | even having that option available will fuck up noobs | 06:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | you can take the 30 seconds to delete the default content | 06:21 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Actually, it's possible to abuse that option, go through the guided setup, and keep selecting "Nope, don't want that", which will give pretty close to the same result. | 06:21 |
|---|
| @rizen | i know you guys have to think about yourself | 06:22 |
|---|
| @preaction | PedersenMJ: can't protect against that much stupidity | 06:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | but i have to think about the community at large | 06:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | and that does not help the community at large | 06:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | the number of potential new users is far greater than the number of existing users who are creating a second site | 06:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | perlDreamer: back to you | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | no guided setup | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | but due to lack of flexibility | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's easy to get started | 06:23 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Nope, not trying to protect against stupidity. Trying to say that, within JT's idea, it's possible to get pretty close to what I was asking for. | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | you go to content creation | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | and type in the names of the forums you want to create | 06:23 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | So, for me, it works, and I'll let it go at that :) | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | you don't get to place them | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | you don't get to choose templates | 06:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | you just get to pick name | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | s | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and whether or not users have to preview or if it's options | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | optional | 06:24 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | The full gui editor stuff sounds great, but a simpler option would be to simply have several different styles come with the distribution and an extra step to let them pick the theme (which would update dynamically or something as they looked at each one. | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | then you move on to polls and do the same thing | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and finally you move on to site creation | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and there you type what you want to appear in your menus | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and if you want your menu on the left side or the right side | 06:24 |
|---|
| @rizen | and pick from these four style templates | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | and choose the colors of them | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | and upload your logo | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | done | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's not a guided process | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | but what it is, is so inflexible..that it might as well be a guided process | 06:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | the difference is that webgui will give you the easy guided process at the beginning | 06:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | but then once you figure out what you're doing | 06:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | it will also give you all the flexibility and power you could hope for | 06:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | radix: as stated above, that was one of the options | 06:27 |
|---|
| @rizen | design one or pick one | 06:27 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Suggestion to go with it? Allow them to choose to import one right then? | 06:27 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | They might well have found an existing .wgpkg which gives them the look they want. Let them import it and choose it. | 06:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | PedersonMJ: that's a good idea | 06:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | probably just point them straight to the contrbs area | 06:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | give them a url | 06:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | and say...go pick one | 06:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | and upload it | 06:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | the shitty part about that though is...no way to put their logo into it | 06:29 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Well, maybe... | 06:30 |
|---|
| @rizen | but maybe if they upload one...we just warn them that they have to put their own logo in | 06:30 |
|---|
| @rizen | and if they design one they get it put in automatically | 06:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | could we have packages that refer to the uploaded logo instead of one included in the package? | 06:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the logo would have to be restricted to certain sizes/aspects... | 06:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | eh | 06:30 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | No *guaranteed* way to put it in. But come up with a simple standard: any theme should include a logo.png (or .jpg, or .gif), and *that* file can be replaced? | 06:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we know the name, it just has to referenced via a macro in the package | 06:31 |
|---|
| @rizen | we could request that users upload packages that have logo.png as part of it | 06:31 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then just replace it | 06:31 |
|---|
| @rizen | yeah pederson | 06:31 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Any package which honors that standard gets an extra special graphic next to it, or somesuch, so that newbies know this one will work for them. | 06:31 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | it'd be nice to have a standard location in the asset tree for themes too actually | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | there is one | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's called the import node | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | =) | 06:32 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | the import node is a mess | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | the media folder is where you upload all your content images and files | 06:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the logo can have any name, when we upload we'll assign it a URL and refer to it via an assetproxy macro. | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the import node is for templates and such | 06:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | right pd...as long as the theme designers use the strict name...it doesn't matter what the user calls the image...or for that matter even if it's a jpg, png, or gif | 06:33 |
|---|
| @rizen | we can convert it | 06:33 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | yeah, perlDreamer, I like that. A macro which spits out the img tag for the logo. Could even use ImageMagick to resize the logo if necessary. | 06:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | PMJ: that macro is the assetproxy macro | 06:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we ask them for it, upload it, stuff it into an asset with known URL which is used by a special subset of packages | 06:34 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | True. What asset should a theme designer use to reference it? | 06:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | /company_logo ? | 06:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | radix: i don't disagree that it's a mess...especially if you've gone through a lot of uploads...but i don't know what to do to make it better either | 06:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we can set the standard to be anything which doesn't inconvenience the user | 06:35 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | me neither unfortunately :) | 06:35 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | but I find it hard to find templates these days.. with the large number of folders it might be.. search is the only option | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | s/uploads/upgrades/ | 06:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the asset manager search makes the import node acceptable | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | yeah...but you have search | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's the key | 06:36 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Well, for my own purposes, I use a "Themes" folder where I put my templates and the like, and hang that off of root. | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | and you also have the asset interface which allows you to edit/manage the templates | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | so you don't have to necessarily know where they are | 06:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | i mean on the display tab | 06:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | the edit/manage buttons next to each template | 06:37 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | I think styles should be standardized on what PedersenMJ has been doing. images/css/js/etc should all be in one place in one directory in the asset tree | 06:37 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | so if you import a package, you know where it's going to be, and you can delete it if you no longer want it and be assured that it'll all be cleaned up | 06:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we're kind of wandering here, guys. | 06:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Issue #1 is the auto-setup idea | 06:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | If we like it, we can banter implementation later | 06:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but rizen is asking whether we think it's good or not, not how to do it. | 06:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we can tell him that later :) | 06:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | first: do we agree that this is even a problem? | 06:38 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Definitely wandering, definitely. Sorry about that. Is the idea good? Absolutely. | 06:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | the setup time | 06:38 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Is it a problem? Allow me to say "hell yes!" | 06:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | the where do i get started factor | 06:38 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | Yes, I think it is | 06:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Ask Kristi | 06:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | second: do we agree that my solution addresses that problem? | 06:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | third: are there any ideas to improve the user level process of my idea? | 06:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | how the wizard should work for the user | 06:39 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | It will address it to a point. It *will* get people started more easily. The one failing that can still occur is the sheer size/felxibility of WebGUI. People could still balk, and I have no idea how to counter that. | 06:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | the only way i can think of to counter that is to either scale back webgui, or hide it from them...and either way..that hurts webgui | 06:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | webgui is a monster | 06:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | people should know that it's a monster | 06:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | but they should also know that the monster is tamable | 06:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Maybe Gooey should be frowning? | 06:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | pd: you were just talking about getting off topic | 06:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | sorry | 06:42 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | second: yup, sounds great | 06:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | We all agree that wG is big, and that makes it hard to setup. | 06:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | If we help them set it up, what do we do from there? | 06:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | books, wikis, IRC, discussion boards....? | 06:43 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | third: ning.com has some nice ideas for how they set up their stuff, neat little ajax drag'n'drop kinda interface and custom colours. Might be worth a gander. | 06:43 |
|---|
| @rizen | in the next few months we're going to have reams of documentation, and training options coming out of our ears. it's up to the community to provide free docs...the best we as developers can do is provide friendly tools to users | 06:44 |
|---|
| Radix-wrk | I found that decent.. trick is to make it not too long that it's impossible go through in one setting, and not too short that you don't feel like you had much say in it. | 06:44 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Hey, here's a truly stupid thought: Why aren't there links to plainblack support pages anywhere in (for instance) the admin console? | 06:44 |
|---|
| @rizen | we put the advertising in the demo content | 06:44 |
|---|
| @rizen | and as far as the actual support boards, etc...not everyone has access to that stuff | 06:45 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Yes. But, for instance, why isn't there a link to wiki.webgui.org somewhere visible in a post-installation page, after all demo content would be removed? | 06:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | there will be | 06:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | in 7.4 the help icon is going to take you to wiki | 06:46 |
|---|
| @rizen | no more help in 7.4 | 06:47 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | That's what I meant when I asked about a support page link the admin console | 06:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | radix: just tried out ning.com | 06:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | yes something like that | 06:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | ok...sounds like we're in agreement | 06:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | oh...and pd..we can't get rid of the help unless we can build the template builder | 06:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | which i'm still not 100% sure how to do | 06:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm a little scared about that | 06:55 |
|---|
| @rizen | ok well, i'm gone for the night. thanks for the feedback guys...much appreciated | 06:59 |
|---|
| * rizen out | 06:59 |
| Radix-wrk | caio | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I thought for the template builder that we gutted RTE and added a pop-up form for adding template variables. | 07:16 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Oooh, there's something: Any chance that the list of macros is accessible from with webgui? Basically, add a popup form that shows a list of macros, too. | 07:17 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | isn't there an RFE for that? | 07:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | on the RTE, which isn't available in the template editor now, but in other places the ^#; button will bring up a subset of macros. I think. | 07:24 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Ah, didn't even look for an rfe for that. My bad. | 07:25 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | maybe you should talk with someone who has commit access about implementing that particular RFE for 7.4 :) | 07:26 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Heh. My idea for it is bigger than just a popup form. With all the info that is available in the online help (and which I assume will continue to be available in the wiki when 7.4 comes out), it should be possible to provide an "IDE" for the macros. | 07:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that's a pretty big idea | 07:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | much bigger than populating the current macro selector with the current set of configured macros | 07:29 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Not a full IDE, mind you. Just something that will provide the template and help for a given macro. | 07:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the current macro editor does a subset of that, it inserts a sample usage for each macro selected | 07:31 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | That's cool. I just haven't gotten to that point yet in my explorations of webgui. | 07:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't link to the help yet, and it doesn't show the complete, possible usage of the macro | 07:32 |
|---|
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:49 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 08:17 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 08:41 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 09:00 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["leaving"] | 09:35 |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 09:37 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 09:42 |
| -!- Radix-wrk [n=Jesse@203.161.68.67] has quit ["Leaving"] | 09:53 |
| pjesi | 4x XEON dual core 3.2ghz and yet WebGUI crushing at 4 in load | 10:01 |
|---|
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@client-82-20-29-208.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 10:22 |
| -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 11:52 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@143.sub-75-206-207.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 11:54 |
| -!- wgGuest62 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 13:28 |
| wgGuest62 | hey | 13:30 |
|---|
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 13:38 |
| wgGuest62 | is there a way (a macro?) to get the URL of the current user's profile? | 13:38 |
|---|
| wgGuest62 | ah trought the User iD macro I guess | 13:41 |
|---|
| -!- SDuensin_ [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:09 |
| -!- wgGuest62 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 14:37 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 15:24 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 15:39 |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 15:39 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 15:49 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] | 15:52 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has joined #webgui | 16:12 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 16:12 |
| ckotil | I need some guidance on my group structure | 17:18 |
|---|
| ckotil | nvm. ive got it figured out. | 17:27 |
|---|
| ckotil | i needed it setup so that my engineers can view and edit all of our internal documents, and then at the same time allow our customers to view the documents for their particular network. | 17:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | so i create a group for each network and set that to view. and set the able to edit option to group engineers | 17:28 |
|---|
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 18:26 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@194.171.50.114] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 18:30 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:34 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 18:34 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@194.171.50.114] has left #webgui [] | 18:36 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: are you here!!! | 18:49 |
|---|
| @rizen | ??? | 18:49 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere | 18:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | so beware | 18:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I gotta find the source for that quote | 18:52 |
|---|
| ckotil | beatles | 19:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Like Ringo and Paul? | 19:03 |
|---|
| ckotil | yah, 'here, there and everywhere' | 19:04 |
|---|
| ckotil | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5d_1172741350 squirrel catapult | 19:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | using that import script i creatd 900+ workflows..... | 19:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | its gonna take about an hour to cook them all out | 19:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | and i didnt even grab the content :/ | 19:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | oy | 19:11 |
|---|
| * perlDreamer hopes for a telnetd attack today | 19:12 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [] | 19:25 |
| ckotil | i have this pending version tag, and when i run spectre --status, it shows the workflow as waiting. but in the show running workflow screen, the workflow is shown as error. | 19:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | not really a bug. | 19:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | just wierd. | 19:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | hell yeah. the links even work for the faq o matic entries that are now article assets and page layouts | 20:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | snapcount_ is good | 21:01 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | eh? | 21:01 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | I thought I was bad | 21:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | bad is good | 21:02 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | oh | 21:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ckotil likes the import script | 21:02 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | ahh | 21:02 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | I think the one he's using has been passed around a few times | 21:02 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | JT modified it | 21:02 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | then I modified it to not create 1500 copies of each image and file asset =) | 21:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 21:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we keep getting more of those undef Asset bugs | 21:46 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:55 |
| -!- rjacobsen [n=rjacobse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what is this Dutch obsession with hair and appearance? | 21:58 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | HairGrease, Dapper? | 21:58 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | quick question about webgui - is there a macro that will show a product price? and how would i type the macro (ie. ^Product(101,price) )... that one is not working so i need to know how to get the price of a product on my site with this macro and how it should be typed | 21:58 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The product macro is what you want to use. Be sure that you're giving it proper arguments. | 21:59 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | thats my problem - not sure the correct way to insert the arguments | 21:59 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | like ^Product(101, ?) | 21:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the online help will tell you what you need to know | 21:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | become admin | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | turn admin on | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | go to the admin bar | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | select admin console | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | choose the help icon | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | select the macro tab | 22:00 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | does "price" go where the ? is? | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:00 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i see variant.price | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that is a template variable | 22:00 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | but dont know where to insert it | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | not a macro argument | 22:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | your product is configured to use a template to display it | 22:01 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | right | 22:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that's where you'd use the variant.price variable | 22:01 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i just want to be able to call just the price of the particular product | 22:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to create a custom template to do that | 22:01 |
|---|
| * perlDreamer heads to lunch | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | namaste | 22:01 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | let me explain | 22:01 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i have a page on a shopping cart form that is thru paypal - instead of putting in a hardcoded price in the value, i want to put in a product/price macro that will put the price in for a particular product without having to change the code all the time | 22:03 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so when i change the product price on the product page it will dynamically change the price in the form via the macro | 22:03 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | am i makin any sense>? | 22:04 |
|---|
| ckotil | yeah that will be possible. | 22:06 |
|---|
| @preaction | so you make a template that has one thing: "<tmpl_var variant.price>", and use that template's ID in your product macro | 22:06 |
|---|
| ckotil | might have to write acustom macro | 22:06 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | You create a template for the product macro with only the <tmpl_var variant.price> in it. Then use the product macro with that template | 22:06 |
|---|
| @preaction | great minds think alike | 22:06 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | :) | 22:07 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | im real stupid when it comes to macros sorry - can u pls explain a little more? | 22:07 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | OH, and for perlDreamer: Dapper means brave in Dutch, nothing with appearance | 22:07 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i know how to use them...... but makin em is difficult | 22:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | rjacobsen: you dont have to make one. the second argument to ^Product(productId, templateId); allows you to add an arbitrary template for the product | 22:08 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok so where do i make that template? | 22:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | where ever, you just need the ID | 22:09 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | the in the product category? | 22:09 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | and the ID is the url? | 22:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | it doesn't even need a namespace | 22:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | no the ID is the ID | 22:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's the first item on the edit form after you've created it | 22:09 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so i open the product category and click template (for new template) and name that? | 22:10 |
|---|
| @preaction | or put the template in the import node, whatevz | 22:10 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i just dont see an ID slot..... i see Title, Menu Title, URL, Namespace | 22:12 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | am i missing something? | 22:12 |
|---|
| @preaction | you dont get to choose an ID, I said "after you've created it" | 22:13 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | sorry | 22:13 |
|---|
| @preaction | once it's created, edit it again, and the first item will be "Asset ID" or something similar | 22:13 |
|---|
| @preaction | it'll be a seemingly random series of 22 characters | 22:13 |
|---|
| @preaction | (random being the idea, so that there's no collision) | 22:13 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | AHHHHH | 22:14 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i see | 22:14 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so i put that in the templateID | 22:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | so ^Product("sku","templateId"); | 22:14 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so it would be ^Product(101, C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ); | 22:14 |
|---|
| @preaction | probably want to use quotes, but yes | 22:14 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i mean ^Product("101","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); | 22:14 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | now i can call this into a script you think? | 22:15 |
|---|
| @preaction | perlbot tias | 22:16 |
|---|
| perlbot | Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works. | 22:16 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ill let ya know thanx VERY much for your help | 22:16 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | and THANKYOU for fixin the import packages | 22:16 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 22:18 |
| @preaction | that was all pd | 22:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | he gets paid so well that he can work on wG for free, the git | 22:19 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i cant get this to work :( | 22:21 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | the form code is in the body tag of the page.... and it wont let me pull in the macro | 22:22 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | wierd | 22:22 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i try <input type="hidden" name="amount" value=^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ");> and <input type="hidden" name="amount" value='^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ");'> and still nothing | 22:22 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | when it is called it shows nothing | 22:23 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | paypal keeps saying please enter a number greater than 0 | 22:23 |
|---|
| @preaction | are you sure it's supposed to be "variant.amount" and not something else? make sure the macro is working by putting a field you know work, like the sku or something | 22:24 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | im not sure how to test it as it goes to the paypal site | 22:25 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | this is what inputs into paypal the price of the product | 22:25 |
|---|
| @preaction | make an article that mimics the behavior? or maybe an article that just tries the macro? | 22:25 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok | 22:26 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | the macro isnt working | 22:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | because i tried ^Page("title"); and it showed up fine in the article as the page title.... but the ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); just shows the code | 22:31 |
|---|
| @preaction | product macro not enabled on your site? it isn't by default | 22:31 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | it may not be then | 22:32 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | how do i enable it? | 22:32 |
|---|
| @preaction | add it to the configuration file | 22:32 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 22:32 |
| @preaction | data/WebGUI/etc/yoursite.conf | 22:32 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | just add the ^Product("sku","templateID"); to it? | 22:33 |
|---|
| @preaction | look in the configuration file, there's a section devoted to Macros, you should be able to see how to add one | 22:35 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | that is awesome thank you | 22:41 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok i enabled the product macro and started out by simply putting in ^Product("101"); and it says cannot find product even though there is a product 101 | 23:00 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | Did you define the product in the commerce module? | 23:03 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | how do i do that? | 23:05 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | go to the admin console - click 'Products' | 23:05 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok there is none listed - wierd | 23:06 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | but i have like 20 product pages | 23:06 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | Ah, the product wobject is not connected to the commerce module | 23:06 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | damm | 23:06 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so how can i make this work? | 23:06 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | The product wobject was developed a long time ago | 23:06 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | add the products also in the Products | 23:07 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:07 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | and it will work | 23:07 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ty | 23:07 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | It is a little more work | 23:07 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | one more question | 23:09 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | the current template i created for my product page layout - can i use it for the products in the commerce? | 23:10 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | if so i can make it totally dynamic | 23:10 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | They are not connected (yet???), but you can try to merge them | 23:18 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | The commerce product has no options for extra features and so | 23:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | apologies, dapperedodo | 23:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | But in English your nick is a well groomed extinct bird | 23:20 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | I just looked in the dictionary | 23:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | As long as we know that it's the Dutch MySQL powerhouse behind the name, you can call yourself anything you like. | 23:20 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | I am fine with it | 23:20 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | :) | 23:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | So you and your team were spun out from Procolix into an independent business? | 23:21 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | yes that's right | 23:22 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | We do the hard programming stuf | 23:22 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Is that going well? | 23:22 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | ProcoliX does the hosting stuf | 23:22 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | It is going very well | 23:22 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | cool | 23:22 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | Programming is much more fun then Hosting | 23:22 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | why when i click on the commerce button in the admin console does it just bring me back to the website page i was working on? it does not open any editing options for commerce | 23:22 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | and people want to pay for both, so we are both in business | 23:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Oh, so you still work with procolix | 23:23 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | Yes, we are a great team, only the business split | 23:24 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | clicking the commerce button should get you the commerce settings | 23:24 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | it doesnt sir | 23:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen, what's in your webgui.log file? | 23:25 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | it just brings me back to the web page i was working on before i opened the admin console | 23:25 |
|---|
| dapperedodo | I'm off now, see you later | 23:26 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 23:26 |
| rjacobsen | what site is that i use to copy and paste again? to show you the error log? | 23:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | gooeybot: paste? | 23:27 |
|---|
| gooeybot | somebody said paste was http://paste.biz | 23:27 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | http://paste.biz/paste-775.html | 23:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen: I need to ask you some questions | 23:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | do you host your own server? | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | yes we do | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | linux | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | fadora | 23:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you have shell access? | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | yes we do - or my boss does anyhow | 23:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | have you customized WebGUI? | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | do you want to talk to him? | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | yes we have quite a bit | 23:30 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | but not much with the base code that i know of | 23:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | what version of wG are you running? | 23:31 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | second - let me get my boss in the irc channel | 23:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you're probably missing the Locale::US perl module | 23:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but there are ways to test that | 23:32 |
|---|
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 23:36 |
| rjacobsen | ok sir | 23:36 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | dwallisser is my boss and has shell access to webgui | 23:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | dwalisser, what version of WebGUI are you running? | 23:37 |
|---|
| dwalisser | 7.3.10 | 23:37 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | correction | 23:37 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | 7.3.11 | 23:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I would like you to run the testEnvironment script in the sbin directory | 23:37 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ah, 7.3.11, needed to refresh | 23:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | be sure to use the switch to just print out a report | 23:38 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ok | 23:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | perl testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport | 23:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that you're missing a module, but this will tell us | 23:38 |
|---|
| dwalisser | It says HTML::Template outdated, Text::Aspell not installed, Locale::US not installed | 23:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you need to install Locale::US | 23:40 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ok | 23:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | once you do that, you should be golden | 23:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and do update HTML::Template, the newer version fixes some long standing bugs with template variables that you will eventually run into | 23:41 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ok, done. thanks for your help | 23:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | no problem. | 23:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | rjacobsen is a hard worker and coming up to speed well. | 23:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a steep learning curve | 23:44 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i really appreciate all your help | 23:46 |
|---|
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 23:47 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | You're welcome. Just remember that we've all been where you have been and hang in there. | 23:47 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | this seems to fix the problem - although when i put in ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); i get nothing | 23:47 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and if you have a chance, answer a question on the boards, post a wiki article or add a contrib. | 23:47 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | and i know i put the product in | 23:47 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i can put in ^Product("103"); and it shows the product..... but i use ^Product("103","C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ"); - which should show the product price only - it does not | 23:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | then you have a template problem | 23:48 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | the C4AYMcRfVHkgxuGJGFsntQ is the asset ID to the template i made with <tmpl_var variant.price> | 23:49 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | variant.price only exists inside of the variantLoop | 23:50 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | just nest it in a loop, and only have 1 variant | 23:50 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | let me explain what i am trying to do sir | 23:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You need to put this in a form to paypal | 23:50 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | yes | 23:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | (I was lurking earlier) | 23:50 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | and send only the price | 23:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | if your product only has 1 variant, then there will only be 1 price | 23:51 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | so how would i write the code on the template page? | 23:51 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | <tmpl_loop variantLoop><tmpl_var variant.price></tmpl_loop> | 23:51 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ahhhh | 23:51 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | let me try that | 23:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | may I make a suggestion? | 23:52 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | brb | 23:52 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | sure sir | 23:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | take 30 minutes, and read through some of the online wG docs | 23:52 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | i have already | 23:52 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | a lot | 23:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | all right | 23:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | because knowing HTML::Template well is pretty important for getting stuff to work | 23:52 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | where can i find the read info on that? you have a url? | 23:53 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ?op=viewHelp;hid=template%20language;namespace=Asset_Template | 23:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | use that op on your site | 23:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | kidscorner.us.com?op=..... | 23:54 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | ok | 23:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I need a bug consult. Do you have 10 minutes? | 23:56 |
|---|
| @preaction | yo | 23:57 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | read this first: http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/clipboard-to-trash#_ih716rkIGoJIKR1-geK-g | 23:58 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 23:58 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 23:59 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we can handle this one of 3 ways | 23:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 1) Return an error saying that you can't delete uncommitted assets. | 23:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 2) Delete it anyway, leaving the user with an empty, uncommitted version tag | 23:59 |
|---|
| --- Day changed Sat Mar 03 2007 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) Don't do anything | 00:00 |
|---|
| @preaction | with the addition of "enter the revision and remove the revision of this asset manually" | 00:00 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | thank you for all your help and sorry if i sound like an idiot here - just tryin to do my job well and make this thing work very well...... before my introduction to webgui i used php-nuke and a LOT of html/database code..... so this is a whole new world........ but i do appreciate the help | 00:00 |
|---|
| @preaction | i think for now it'd be better to do 1) with instructions on how to continue, with the future being 2) once tmrfe gets involved | 00:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll punt until we get tmrfe'd | 00:01 |
|---|
| @preaction | wait, the Admin is trying to remove from the system clipboard? | 00:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 00:01 |
|---|
| @preaction | they should be allowed to do that imho | 00:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think so too, but what about the empty version tag? | 00:01 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | isn't that bad juju? | 00:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | maybe empty trash should detect newly empty version tags and delete them | 00:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | in fact, imho, empty version tags should never exist | 00:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it sounds bad. | 00:02 |
|---|
| @preaction | to delete them? or to allow them? | 00:02 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | to create empty ones via anymethod | 00:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | creating a version tag should be a result of another method | 00:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure the TrashClipboard workflow activity has this same bug, btw | 00:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | addRevision or addChild | 00:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it is, but they're never automatically destroyed when emptied | 00:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | do you think they should be? i do | 00:03 |
|---|
| @preaction | an empty version tag is useless | 00:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I agree with you, preaction | 00:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You're preachin' to the choir | 00:04 |
|---|
| @preaction | sounds like something for the dev list | 00:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The dev list? That's dead :) | 00:04 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's not dead so much as we haven't had anything to put there | 00:04 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 00:04 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 00:04 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 00:04 |
| @preaction | since when JT hangs out here, he's The Final Word | 00:04 |
|---|
| @preaction | which negates the necessity for discussion | 00:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | or immediate presence in IRC | 00:05 |
|---|
| @preaction | i can't think of any need for a version tag that has nothing in it yet, except when you do WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking (which creates a tag to prepare for you to do a bunch of stuff under it, if there is no tag already) | 00:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | so we can't just remove them willy-nilly | 00:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | i think probably as each asset in the trash is deleted, check the tagId and see if we can delete the version tag as well | 00:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | that way, too, in the system manage version tags, tags from long ago that have since had all their assets deleted will not show up | 00:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | i dunno, i'm over my head now | 00:09 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | how can i add/remove stuff from the admin bar on the left side of the screen for users i do not want to see certain things and users i want to see more? example: secondary admin can see "products" but testuser(content manager) can not | 00:15 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | is there a way? | 00:15 |
|---|
| @preaction | uiLevels | 00:16 |
|---|
| rjacobsen | do what? lol | 00:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | ask? | 00:17 |
|---|
| gooeybot | ask is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Don't repeat. If nobody answers, it probably means nobody knows. While you wait: Check the fine manual, check google, check the source, try different things on a demo site. | 00:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | smart questions? | 00:17 |
|---|
| gooeybot | smart questions is http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 00:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | there's the one | 00:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | uiLevels are documented, the way you'll probably want to implement them is in the configuration file | 00:18 |
|---|
| dwalisser | can the config file override the ui level hard-coded in the wobject? | 00:22 |
|---|
| @preaction | yes it does | 00:22 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ah | 00:22 |
|---|
| @preaction | you can also override which groups are allowed to add which types of assets in the config file | 00:23 |
|---|
| dwalisser | has anyone written a clever script that would allow me to setup one site config file the way I want and copy it to all the others (I have 15 that I want to be identical) | 00:26 |
|---|
| dwalisser | the difference being the db user/password and dsn only | 00:27 |
|---|
| dwalisser | oh and the sitename | 00:27 |
|---|
| dwalisser | ah and the uploadsPath | 00:27 |
|---|
| dwalisser | I think that covers it | 00:27 |
|---|
| @preaction | the config files are JSON, so write your own. jsonToObj gives you a perl data structure, objToJson puts it back | 00:27 |
|---|
| dwalisser | sounds like a simple script then | 00:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | dwalisser, that's kind of what the WRE does | 00:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think it has a template for all new sites it creates | 00:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | config files, etc. | 00:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | alter the template, and you should be done. | 00:30 |
|---|
| dwalisser | yes, I've been using that "WebGUI.conf.original", downside is it is overwritten every time I upgrade | 00:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | make a small SVN repository and check it in. | 00:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | after the upgrade, do a merge | 00:31 |
|---|
| @preaction | or keep a diff, and run the patch | 00:31 |
|---|
| dwalisser | yeah | 00:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | man, preaction, we know this WebGUI stuff pretty well. Maybe we should look into doing it as more than a hobby. | 00:35 |
|---|
| @preaction | no crap, maybe we should be getting paid for this | 00:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | how's the hacking coming? | 00:39 |
|---|
| @preaction | not so bad | 00:39 |
|---|
| @preaction | is it just me, or is it impossible to get a truly deep structure out of the WebGUI::Config interface | 00:40 |
|---|
| @preaction | example: workflow activities are a hash of array refs | 00:40 |
|---|
| @preaction | i suppose the interface is returning references, so i can work with that | 00:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think this is going to be the highest subrev of wG ever | 00:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | .12 | 00:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and we're not done yet | 00:41 |
|---|
| @preaction | i think we'll be going further than that before 7.4 | 00:41 |
|---|
| @preaction | but i also think it's very good that we're doing so | 00:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 00:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | a very stable wG will make all of our lives easier | 00:42 |
|---|
| @preaction | webgui has a lot of features, and people are clamoring for more, but bugs and a stable maintainable code base are far more important for the future | 00:42 |
|---|
| @preaction | i should RFE for "update skeletons to conform to WebGUI Best Practices" | 00:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Do you ever wonder about the features people _don't_ clamor for? | 00:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Could they be removed? | 00:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | such as the guided setup? | 00:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | or i18n? | 00:43 |
|---|
| gooeybot | i guess i18n is overwritten each upgrade | 00:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | i18n is a mixed bag, it's the reason some people choose webgui, but it's also just cruft for a lot of people | 00:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | they really want i18n content and UI | 00:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but we only do half that | 00:43 |
|---|
| @preaction | well, the UI we have control over, the content they have control over, make a section for each translation | 00:44 |
|---|
| @preaction | i mean, if they want multiple languages, they're going to have to do something | 00:45 |
|---|
| @preaction | if a scheduled workflow activity isSerial but is not a singleton, that means i can queue up multiple activities that will all run one at a time, correct? | 00:56 |
|---|
| @preaction | i mean, it's what the docs say | 00:56 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that sounds right to me | 00:58 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | have a look at Session.pm, line 638 | 01:06 |
|---|
| -!- dwalisser [n=dwalisse@74-129-192-43.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] | 01:06 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Session? | 01:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:07 |
|---|
| @preaction | 1;? | 01:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | $self->var("adminOn") | 01:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | var->get("adminOn") or var->isAdminOn | 01:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix xtopher's dbSlave bug | 01:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it's weird | 01:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that line is a bug, but it won't generate a DBI level connect error | 01:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | he says that the slave connections are all okay | 01:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | you sure it's session.pm? not db.pm? | 01:11 |
|---|
| @preaction | dbSlave, i see | 01:12 |
|---|
| @preaction | wrong line | 01:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | brb | 01:13 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | back | 01:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | it tries to connect to all three, that's probably bad | 01:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | also, it tries to connect even if it is in adminMode and is going to use the main server anyway | 01:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's possible that when it tries to connect the second and third time, it negates the other connections, and then it randomly selects one of the negated connections | 01:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | though i don't see how, but whatevz | 01:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | he's getting a connect error, during connection creation | 01:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I guess the way it's implemented now, it sprays across the servers during a page view, as opposed to randomly choosing a slave for an entire page view | 01:23 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think the second would be safer | 01:23 |
|---|
| @preaction | might even be faster | 01:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | like 3X faster | 01:24 |
|---|
| @preaction | where IS jt today? wonder what he's going to do about frank snaking my weekend | 01:26 |
|---|
| @preaction | i was supposed to go down to madison to play Supreme Commander in a little LAN party | 01:26 |
|---|
| @preaction | the git | 01:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | JT took the day off | 01:48 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | said something about setting up a LAN party to play SupCom with out of town guests or something | 01:49 |
|---|
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:14 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 02:17 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 02:17 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat064.mxim.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 02:35 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:37 |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hinrik, gooeybot, Radix_ | 03:43 |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Hinrik, gooeybot, Radix_ | 03:44 |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Radix_ | 03:44 |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: Radix_ | 03:44 |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 04:52 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 04:52 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 04:52 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 04:53 |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:12 |
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:20 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 05:57 |
| PedersenMJ | Good evening. | 05:57 |
|---|
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 06:04 |
| @preaction | possible good idea: a Dumb Container wobject to make wG dev easier. You could simply make a definition for a "Address Book Item" asset, sub-class the Dumb Container wobject to simply tell it that it should contain "Address Book Item" assets, and you have an application (in this case, an Address Book) | 07:06 |
|---|
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 07:16 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 07:52 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] | 07:57 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 08:32 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has joined #WebGUI | 08:32 |
| -!- wgGuest41 [n=wgGuest4@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 16:17 |
| wgGuest41 | hi all | 16:17 |
|---|
| wgGuest41 | Do you know which session timeout setting has plainblack.com? I need to find a compromise between usability and security | 16:18 |
|---|
| -!- wgGuest41 [n=wgGuest4@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 17:38 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 18:19 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [Client Quit] | 18:19 |
| -!- wgGuest74 [n=wgGuest7@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 19:01 |
| wgGuest74 | hi | 19:01 |
|---|
| gooeybot | bonjour, wgGuest74 | 19:01 |
|---|
| wgGuest74 | thanks :) | 19:01 |
|---|
| wgGuest74 | I disconnected before | 19:01 |
|---|
| wgGuest74 | did you read my session timeout question? :) | 19:02 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 19:31 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 19:31 |
| -!- wgGuest74 [n=wgGuest7@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 20:12 |
| --- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2007 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 00:07 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the deadline has passed | 00:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we should change the title | 00:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the pressure is now on snapcount_ and the other PB staff, who must wade through the dozens of | 00:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | wiki entries submitted by the community | 00:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | or the dozens of pages submitted by PedersenMJ for his one entry | 00:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | in any case, all of WebGUI-dom waits, breathlessly to see who will win the | 00:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | latest installment of this contest. | 00:18 |
|---|
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 00:36 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:51 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving."] | 00:54 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 01:36 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 01:41 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has joined #webgui | 04:37 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 04:37 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 05:00 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 05:00 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 05:05 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 06:36 |
| PedersenMJ | hello all | 06:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | hey, man | 06:53 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | hm | 06:55 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | say that three times fast | 06:56 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | petrolacasaurus | 06:56 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Is that the gasoline dinosaur that also has a wall outlet in its tail? | 06:57 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's him | 06:59 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The Discovery Channel rocks | 07:00 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | so far I've found two bugs tonight from writing API tests | 07:00 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | unit tests are an amazing thing for finding bugs. | 07:01 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | I always wind up pointing to my first experience with them as evidence of their strength. I had written up (in C) mime encode/decode routines. And had checked them over pretty thoroughly, done some tests, etc. I knew they worked. And then I formalized into unit tests, and found out that one of my decide routines was missing the return statement, making it broken. | 07:03 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | And I had "known" that it worked just fine for months. | 07:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a good lesson | 07:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | my favorite one was "well, all the tests pass so the design is fine" | 07:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that was before I learned about test coverage | 07:04 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | For me, that was learning about writing *any* tests :) | 07:05 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | However, I know that I'm weak in some testing aspects. Okay, most of them. Any good websites on how to ensure test coverage? | 07:05 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | Or that at least discuss it? | 07:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I don't know of any. | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I went to an OSCON presentation last year and became a believer | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The big testing things seem to be | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 1) Write them | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | well, | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 0) Write Unit tests | 07:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 1) Run your coverage on your unit tests | 07:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 2) write integration tests | 07:07 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | That's the part I'm missing. | 07:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | integration tests? WebGUI doesn't have any yet either | 07:07 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | I'm working on a python script that will automate a *lot* of the verification of the state of the code and docs for another set of python scripts I'm working on. | 07:08 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | But I have yet to even come close to finding a way to verify (programatically) that enough integration testing is being done. | 07:08 |
|---|
| @preaction | what do you mean by integration tests? | 07:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | for wG, it would be UI level tests | 07:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | things that test multiple things together in a sequence | 07:09 |
|---|
| @preaction | so WWW::Mechanize or a series of getPage() | 07:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | each may work correctly, but may not call among themselves correctly | 07:09 |
|---|
| PedersenMJ | For me, integration tests would be testing the interaction of two modules. | 07:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | there may be some integration level testing now, but it's purely by accident | 07:10 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking forward to the new OSCON schedule coming out | 07:12 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you read my last dev post? Am I askin' for beatin? | 07:17 |
|---|
| @preaction | with wrapper around getLineage? | 07:18 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 07:18 |
|---|
| @preaction | i agree, actually. getLineage should be the standard method to get assets that you don't know the assetId for | 07:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it's just the potential performance hit, maybe I should try to quantify it | 07:19 |
|---|
| @preaction | i prefer code maintainability over performance in most cases | 07:19 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think it will save us tons of time down the road | 07:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | i mean, it's an extra little bit to do the logic to build the SQL, but the benefits of the encapsulation outweigh that imho | 07:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah. Change it in 1 place, and it works everywhere | 07:20 |
|---|
| @preaction | then you can do optimization from inside the getLineage and everything gets the benefit | 07:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but because it's more code, it may never reach the speed of the pure SQL query | 07:20 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | he'll weigh in, then we'll do it | 07:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | there are other, bigger bugs to worry about anyway | 07:21 |
|---|
| @preaction | but getLineage will survive database schema changes, when pure SQL queries probably won't | 07:21 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 07:22 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that the problems we're seeing in the Clipboard also exist in the Trash, and in their Workflow Activities, too. | 07:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The RTE has 4-6 semi-related open bugs | 07:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The calendar has a new batch of bugs | 07:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | plus there's the list we've been dragging around | 07:24 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It's enough to make a dev nuts | 07:25 |
|---|
| * perlDreamer screams | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | shriek, shriek | 07:25 |
|---|
| @preaction | i'm lucky, i don't get to deal with core bugs, i'm doing client work ;) | 07:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | how's that coming? Did you make your deadline? | 07:26 |
|---|
| @preaction | no, the client data migration tool screwed my dev box three times in a row | 07:27 |
|---|
| @preaction | and the migration tool takes about 3-4 hours to run | 07:27 |
|---|
| @preaction | so i started on other things while that was going | 07:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that must be some set of data | 07:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the whole webgui test set only takes 75 minutes to run on my laptop | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | i figured out that there's a niche for a sort of "Dumb Container" wobject, that acts simply as a way to display a list of whatever asset is contained inside it | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | there's about 26,000 users | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | that's the main thing i need to migrate each time | 07:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | For the Dumb Container, it's like the Folder or CS? | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | and every time i try to make a backup, so i don't have to re-run the migration | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | it dies | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | basically | 07:28 |
|---|
| @preaction | you'd subclass the dumb container to tell it what asset it should allow, and then write the asset's getEditForm and getTemplateVars methods | 07:29 |
|---|
| @preaction | i've written three apps in a row now, that are basically dumb containers that make their sub-assets do all the work | 07:29 |
|---|
| @preaction | kind of like the Calendar | 07:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It makes sense. | 07:30 |
|---|
| @preaction | it's more of a dev item, the dumb container itself has no value | 07:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It may let us start to specialize the CS instead of making it so generic, which would make JT happy | 07:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | He hates that it's gotten so big | 07:30 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and slow | 07:30 |
|---|
| @preaction | well, little value, it'd be possible to make it valuable by itself | 07:31 |
|---|
| @preaction | yeah, the CS could be a subclass of this, allowed to contain Threads | 07:33 |
|---|
| @preaction | it might obfuscate the code a bit | 07:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but then you could have a specialized photo gallery, and a weblog | 07:33 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | instead of the monster CS that does everything | 07:34 |
|---|
| @preaction | true enough, the main code being in the Dumb Container | 07:34 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Hey! | 07:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | User.pm now has 100% coverage, except for the deprecated identifier method | 07:36 |
|---|
| @preaction | sweet | 07:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I found two bugs while writing tests for it tonight | 07:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and added a new method to SQL.pm, quickScalar | 07:36 |
|---|
| @preaction | gets the first element of the first row of a query? | 07:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that was one of the bugs that I found in User.pm | 07:37 |
|---|
| @preaction | very good idea, too much my ($result) = $db->quickArray("query"); | 07:37 |
|---|
| @preaction | there's a lot of that in the code | 07:37 |
|---|
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, now you can do things that were broken like this: | 07:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | if (!exists $self->{_profile}{$fieldName} && !$self->session->db->quickArray("SELECT COUNT(*) FROM userProfileField WHERE fieldName = ?", [$fieldName])) | 07:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | safely | 07:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the array always had 1 element in it, so in scalar context that part of the conditional was always true | 07:38 |
|---|
| @preaction | yeah, i don't like the idea of that SQL query inside the IF conditional :p, cleaner to assign it to a var and test it afterward | 07:39 |
|---|
| @preaction | but i see your point | 07:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | probably more PBP as well | 07:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I remember thinking about that and convincing myself that it was better to do it this way.... | 07:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | oh, I remember | 07:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | inside the conditional, it only does the query if the profile field doesn't exist | 07:41 |
|---|
| @preaction | if you put it as the first line inside the conditional, it's the same thing? | 07:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | via nesting? yes | 07:42 |
|---|
| @preaction | rather, after the ) { | 07:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I see what you mean, now | 07:43 |
|---|
| -!- TheSeparator [i=Seppie@cp43027-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #webgui | 07:48 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@pool-71-117-209-62.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""""] | 08:28 |
| -!- Radix__ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has quit ["Windows doesn't have users, it has hostages."] | 08:43 |
| -!- Radix_ [n=Radix@203.161.71.161.static.amnet.net.au] has joined #webgui | 08:53 |
| -!- Hinrik is now known as Hinrik\ | 09:07 |
| -!- Hinrik\ is now known as Hinrik | 09:07 |
| -!- todor_k [n=wgGuest9@zen.ecocoms.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 09:35 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 09:47 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 09:48 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:08 |
| -!- preaction_ [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 11:15 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] | 11:23 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 12:10 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 12:24 |
| TheSeparator | Looks like Spectre on the Plainblack.com server is on strike... | 13:37 |
|---|
| TheSeparator | no new posts appear | 13:41 |
|---|
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 13:49 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 16:29 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 16:29 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 16:30 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v crythias] by ChanServ | 16:30 |
| -!- crythias [n=Gerald@c-68-51-234-189.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #webgui [] | 16:32 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@sbserver.sunsetpres.org] has joined #webgui | 19:05 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v perlDreamer] by ChanServ | 19:05 |
| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@sbserver.sunsetpres.org] has quit ["Leaving."] | 19:51 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] | 20:11 |
| -!- Hinrik_ [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #webgui | 21:00 |
| -!- Hinrik [n=hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 21:14 |
| -!- Hinrik_ is now known as Hinrik | 21:16 |
| --- Day changed Mon Mar 05 2007 |
| -!- preaction_ is now known as preaction | 01:17 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 01:17 |
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has left #webgui [] | 01:48 |
| -!- Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: ckotil | 03:28 |
| -!- Netsplit over, joins: ckotil | 03:29 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has joined #webgui | 04:04 |
| PedersenMJ | heya | 04:05 |
|---|
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [] | 04:21 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 04:22 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 04:22 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 04:25 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 04:26 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 05:08 |
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 05:25 |
| -!- PedersenMJ [n=Pedersen@mail.icelus.biz] has quit [] | 06:05 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 06:52 |
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Xirc - MacOSX"] | 07:00 |
| -!- php-freak [i=tdd1984@74-133-97-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #webgui | 10:11 |
| php-freak | is this a xampp channel? | 10:11 |
|---|
| Hinrik | why would you think that? | 10:11 |
|---|
| -!- php-freak [i=tdd1984@74-133-97-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [] | 10:23 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 12:07 |
| -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 12:46 |
| -!- wgGuest16 [n=wgGuest1@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has quit [] | 12:52 |
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@12-217-162-173.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Leaving"] | 14:07 |
| -!- pjesi [n=pjesi@nix.is] has joined #webgui | 14:31 |
| Hinrik | how does one make a package? | 15:20 |
|---|
| Hinrik | the only think I see is a "Make package?" question under the metadata tab with a yes/no radio button | 15:21 |
|---|
| -!- SDuensin [n=Scott@242.sub-75-206-99.myvzw.com] has joined #WebGUI | 15:44 |
| pjesi | what if you select @yes@ | 15:54 |
|---|
| Hinrik | nm | 15:56 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 15:57 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 15:57 |
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] | 15:57 |
| SDuensin | Good morning! | 15:58 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount_ [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 16:08 |
| Hinrik | hm, when I try to export a package I created, it just gives me: | 16:11 |
|---|
| Hinrik | The requested URL /uploads/temp/JN/JNVATRUgdbd70zMSEkKpLw was not found on this server. | 16:11 |
|---|
| Hinrik | it's not a permission problem, this file simply wasn't created | 16:11 |
|---|
| Hinrik | if I create the package again, I get the same, just a different URL | 16:12 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount [n=royjohns@10.207.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 16:24 |
| -!- preaction [n=doug@static-72-1-4-143.ntd.net] has joined #webgui | 17:50 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o preaction] by ChanServ | 17:50 |
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | Bueller | 18:01 |
|---|
| @preaction | He's home sick | 18:01 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | Hinrik: check your error logs, they will guide you to the answers you seek | 18:01 |
|---|
| Hinrik | yeah... | 18:02 |
|---|
| --- Log opened Mon Mar 05 18:59:09 2007 |
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@217.112.244.70] has joined #webgui | 18:59 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 11 normal] | 18:59 |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 3 secs | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | getAssetsInClipboard really wants to be a class method | 19:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Is anyone else able to use the newly updated Weather Asset? | 19:18 |
|---|
| ckotil | havent tried. | 19:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | i could check it out, if you want me to | 19:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | im not doing anything else really | 19:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | just waiting for workflows to cook off | 19:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Please give it a shot | 19:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think there's a naming problem | 19:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It has to be called Weather::Simple | 19:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but it has to be installed as Weather::Com::Simple | 19:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | i need to install htat. | 19:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | first. | 19:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | so what module am i installing ? | 19:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Weather::Com::Simple | 19:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | perl -MCPAN -e shell | 19:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | force install Weather::Com::Simple | 19:29 |
|---|
| ckotil | got it | 19:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It has a poorly written test that assumes that this year is 2005, that's why the force | 19:30 |
|---|
| -!- wgGuest46 [n=wgGuest4@user-24-214-222-222.knology.net] has joined #webgui | 19:31 |
| ckotil | is the new weather asset enabled by default? | 19:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 19:32 |
|---|
| ckotil | k. i need to register somewhere right? | 19:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | webgui.conf | 19:32 |
|---|
| ckotil | ok, is there an article i can read to see what i gotta do? | 19:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | just become admin and turn on admin | 19:35 |
|---|
| ckotil | well yeah | 19:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | if you can deploy it, it will show up in the admin bar | 19:35 |
|---|
| ckotil | i add it and commit and it disappears. | 19:36 |
|---|
| ckotil | i didnt configure it in webgui.conf bc i dunno wtf to do | 19:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You just add WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData to your assets | 19:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that's all the config | 19:36 |
|---|
| ckotil | o | 19:36 |
|---|
| ckotil | i thought we had to register with some www to retrieve info | 19:36 |
|---|
| ckotil | well im to the point where i add it from the new content bar | 19:37 |
|---|
| ckotil | commit. | 19:37 |
|---|
| ckotil | dissapeared | 19:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | which WebGUI are you running? | 19:38 |
|---|
| ckotil | .10 | 19:38 |
|---|
| ckotil | i can move to .11 if you need me to. im working this on my dev box | 19:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that would be good | 19:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | this new code was added in .11 | 19:38 |
|---|
| ckotil | k | 19:39 |
|---|
| ckotil | no weather data asset now | 19:41 |
|---|
| ckotil | and that line is in my conf | 19:41 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | perlDreamer: thx for all the bug work you've been up to lately | 19:41 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 19:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'm bored to tears at work | 19:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | No projects for 7 weeks now | 19:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | without wG, I'd be a wreck | 19:42 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | yay for us! | 19:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I have two more bug fixes coming in, now | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | you should apply to work for us | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | you have the time | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | might as well collect a check =D | 19:43 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Oh no, I still get paid. I'm salaried | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | I know | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | get paid twice | 19:43 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | two full-time jobs... you could build your own spaceship | 19:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | doing outside consulting at $dayJob is strictly verboten | 19:44 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | bah | 19:44 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | hehe | 19:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | They are ultra paranoid. | 19:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | To get internet access, you have to get a VP signature | 19:44 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | nice | 19:44 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I hacked this proxy onto our "allowed pool computer" for group-level internet access | 19:44 |
|---|
| ckotil | hehe. spaceship | 19:45 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | excellent | 19:45 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | well, I must eat to prevent myself from dying | 19:45 |
|---|
| snapcount_ | bbl | 19:45 |
|---|
| ckotil | pd what now? | 19:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | start up wG, become Admin and turn on Admin | 19:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | look for the Weather Asset in the Admin Bar | 19:50 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and then look in WebGUI.log for an error about Asset::Wobject::WeatherData and getUiLevel | 19:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | k | 19:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | 2007/03/05 17:40:59 - ERROR - newt.webgui.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - Couldn't get UI level of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StockData. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getUiLevel" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::StockData" at /gnoc/newt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 520. | 19:51 |
|---|
| ckotil | err. | 19:51 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's what I'm looking for | 19:52 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Thanks! | 19:52 |
|---|
| ckotil | thats for stock data tho. | 19:52 |
|---|
| ckotil | lemme see if i can get a weather data | 19:52 |
|---|
| ckotil | 2007/03/05 17:53:01 - ERROR - newt.webgui.conf - WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::error[183] - Couldn't get UI level of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData. Root cause: Can't locate object method "getUiLevel" via package "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WeatherData" at /gnoc/newt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 520. | 19:53 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and you installed Weather::Com, right? | 19:53 |
|---|
| ckotil | yes. | 19:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | then I've got the right bug, then. | 19:54 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Thanks for the double check, ckotil! | 19:54 |
|---|
| ckotil | np | 19:55 |
|---|
| ckotil | ? : webgui will strip out any invalid html that is contained within an article asset. does the wysiwig editor do this? or an internal wg funciton? | 20:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | bc since i imported all these articles. some of them have some trialing table shit inside them, and i would like for wg to strip that out. | 20:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | is there anyway i can automatically do this? or must i view each article in the wysiwig editor? | 20:07 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it's in WebGUI::Html, that's the internal function | 20:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | can i execute a rebuild lineage? or anything like that to do this stripping automatically? | 20:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I think the stripping is done in realtime, during display | 20:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | so the bad HTML is still in the db, but not shown | 20:08 |
|---|
| ckotil | seems to only strip when i click edit. | 20:08 |
|---|
| ckotil | my engineers will bitch. and i dont wnat to have to go through each page and click edit, then save. | 20:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it may have to go through editSave routine for the Article | 20:11 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Let me get my phone reinstalled, and I'll check | 20:11 |
|---|
| ckotil | ok. basically im wondering if there is a way to execute that without actually clicking edit/save | 20:11 |
|---|
| -!- wgGuest46 [n=wgGuest4@user-24-214-222-222.knology.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, you created Article assets via the import script? | 20:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | yes. | 20:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | i grabbed between a tbale tag | 20:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | so there are <td> and <tr> in the article | 20:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | and its f'ing up my site template | 20:26 |
|---|
| ckotil | i use tbales in my site. | 20:26 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | from what I've learned, I'd say the clean-up is from the RTE. | 20:27 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | The filter I mentioned is used in limited cases, like the Post and anywhere where a generic user is allowed to submit content. | 20:27 |
|---|
| ckotil | ok | 20:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | You could write a selenium script to do it | 20:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | so the wysiwig editor must be called. | 20:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but then you'd have to install and learn selenium | 20:28 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | It lets you script your browser into automated tasks, usually for testing. | 20:28 |
|---|
| ckotil | nah. right now i just attached a n ote to the section. more of a disclaimer: warning: if this is f'ed up simply edit it and save | 20:29 |
|---|
| @preaction | the filter is called in processPropertiesFromFormPost | 20:29 |
|---|
| ckotil | werd. | 20:29 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | which pPFFP is it called in? | 20:30 |
|---|
| @preaction | probably the WebGUI::Asset one | 20:30 |
|---|
| @preaction | you can specify a filter for any property | 20:31 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | right, but there's no filter currently set up for the Article's HTMLArea | 20:31 |
|---|
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@71-86-227-90.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #webgui | 20:32 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by ChanServ | 20:32 |
| @preaction | ah, then i durno | 20:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | perlDreamer!!!!! | 20:32 |
|---|
| gooeybot | perldreamer is bug empowered | 20:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | ahoy, dude | 20:32 |
|---|
| @preaction | no, gooeybot, perldreamer is <reply> | 20:32 |
|---|
| gooeybot | okay, preaction. | 20:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | i just like shouting out your name for no apparent reason | 20:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | =) | 20:32 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I thought it was because I'd fixed 9 bugs in 7.3.12 | 20:33 |
|---|
| * rizen reading about what we can do to fix the http caching problem once and for all | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: is xtopher command line savvy? | 20:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | he's no unix admin....but he can make his way around pretty well | 20:35 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm going to write a script to verify his dbSlaves. I'm sure that he's got some connection problem that's outside of wG's domain. | 20:36 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | we're running out of bugs that I know how to fix | 20:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | there are 6 related to the RTE | 20:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | maybe 7 | 20:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | 3 calendar bugs | 20:37 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | and then all the historical bugs that we haven't fixed yet. | 20:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm off of support for the next couple of weeks (except fridays) so that i can work on fixing bugs and coding the next wre | 20:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | cool. | 20:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | 1/3 of the bugs in the list are WRE related...so getting the new wre out will resolve those | 20:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI sets a new record this week. | 20:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | it does? | 20:38 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | Highest subversion released. | 20:39 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | .12 | 20:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | ah | 20:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | hopefully it will make it up to about 16 | 20:39 |
|---|
| @rizen | i figure around then we'll be releasing 7.4.0 | 20:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | cuz i'm hoping at about 7.3.14 | 20:40 |
|---|
| @rizen | we'll be able to finally branch | 20:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | that would be 3 more weeks | 20:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | sounds pretty doable | 20:40 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | the http caching thing, it's from mlamar? | 20:41 |
|---|
| ckotil | http://hastalasiesta.org/stuffs/nakkeTattis.jpg sfw | 20:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | yup and others | 20:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's constantly a question | 20:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | to the best of my knowledge we've done what the W3C has said to do...but now i'm looking for things we missed, and loopholes | 20:42 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | there's a pretty stout test for Session/Http. It should help verify any changes. | 20:43 |
|---|
| -!- MrHairgrease [n=martin@x032124.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #webgui | 20:46 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v MrHairgrease] by ChanServ | 20:46 |
| @rizen | ok peeps in working on fixing HTTP caching problems that people are experiencing i'm considering implementing something that i wanted to avoid | 20:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | and i'd like some feedback | 20:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | The Problem: webgui 7.0 above uses W3C defined practices for setting HTTP cache headers | 20:57 |
|---|
| @rizen | which means that pages viewable by the public (or in our case the "visitor" user) should be cachable by cache servers | 20:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | and pages viewable by logged in users should not cache at all | 20:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | we've done what the W3C recommends | 20:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | HOWEVER | 20:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | when a user visits a page as a visitor | 20:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | and then logs in and visits that page again | 20:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | their browser and or cache server shows them the page as they saw it the first time | 20:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | because the first time it was supposed to be cached...and therefore it doesn't go back to the server | 20:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | the browser / cache server has no idea that they've subsequently logged in and therefore the page should no longer be served from cache | 21:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | The Solution(s): | 21:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | I see only 2 solutions to this problem: | 21:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | a) We tell the cache servers and browsers never to cache webgui pages...but then we're increasing the load on the webgui server, but also increasing usability | 21:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | b) We tell the cache servers that they need to check back with webgui on every page request to see if it should be updated, and then if we see that the user is logged in, we tell them to request the new page, but... | 21:01 |
|---|
| @rizen | this increases load on the server in that it must do both the revalidation, and then possibly a second request to load the page | 21:02 |
|---|
| ckotil | c) dont cache for logged in users | 21:02 |
|---|
| ckotil | or is that missing something with a) ? | 21:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | and the revalidation is almost as hard on the server as rendering a full page in the first place | 21:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | ckotil...we already don't cache for logged in users | 21:02 |
|---|
| ckotil | ok, so yeah. | 21:02 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's what i said duriing the problem section | 21:02 |
|---|
| ckotil | right. | 21:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | the problem isn't that we're caching for logged in users | 21:03 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | c2) Don't do anything and tell people not to mix dynamic and static content on the same page? | 21:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's that when a logged in user visits the url of a page that was cached as a visitor...then they see the cahed page | 21:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | c2) even a login box (^L;) is dynamic content | 21:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | crap. | 21:04 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | so anything we do increases server load | 21:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | and so is doing something like ^a(^@);); | 21:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | yes | 21:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | probably not by much...because i don't think people revisit a page they've already been to very often anyway | 21:04 |
|---|
| @rizen | at least not during the cache timeout period | 21:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | but..on some sites they might | 21:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | and this would then increase the load dramatically on some sites | 21:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | on sites like plainblack.com though, it wouldn't change much | 21:05 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but on Len's soccer sites it would be awful | 21:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | actually no | 21:05 |
|---|
| @rizen | on len's soccer site they don't use webgui's caching anyway | 21:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | they put squid in front of webgui | 21:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | so they set their own HTTP cache headers | 21:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | but yeah...if they were using webgui...it would probably be aweful | 21:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | but if wG tells upstream cache servers not to cache it, would squid just act like a bypass then? | 21:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | if so, then (b) is the only viable option | 21:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | webgui says "don't cache me", but then squid sits in front of webgui and says "cache me" | 21:07 |
|---|
| ckotil | any js solutions? | 21:07 |
|---|
| -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has joined #webgui | 21:07 |
| @rizen | a and b are both viable | 21:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | i think that a is probably the better performer in our case though | 21:08 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | mlamar, you can get an IRC transcription from http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2007-03.log | 21:08 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:08 |
| @rizen | joeri!!! | 21:08 |
|---|
| -!- [joeri] [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #webgui | 21:08 |
| @rizen | joeri, you joined twice? | 21:09 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | he gets two votes | 21:09 |
|---|
| @rizen | hehe | 21:09 |
|---|
| mlamar | I'm sorry not seeing the b option in the log ... what is it? | 21:09 |
|---|
| [joeri] | That's strange indeed | 21:09 |
|---|
| -!- [joeri] [n=joeri@ip56503e61.direct-adsl.nl] has left #webgui [] | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | (11:01:40) rizen: b) We tell the cache servers that they need to check back with webgui on every page request to see if it should be updated, and then if we see that the user is logged in, we tell them to request the new page, but... | 21:10 |
|---|
| mlamar | I was working on a fix to the login cache probelm that uses preventProxyCache like functionality only for a limited time after a user logs in | 21:10 |
|---|
| mlamar | Right now I've added code to Session:Url.pm to put in the "noCache=..." param if a user is logged in, which works well | 21:11 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's a nice idea, but it's a hack...i want a permanent solution. you're not the only person who has brought this up | 21:12 |
|---|
| @rizen | and it's not only related to logins | 21:12 |
|---|
| mlamar | But then even visitors see a big performance hit with no caching ... | 21:13 |
|---|
| mlamar | in what other contexts does this problem come up? | 21:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | navigation is the biggest one | 21:14 |
|---|
| @rizen | on many sites even if there is no login box on the page | 21:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | the navigation changes depending upon who is logged in | 21:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | due to page privileges | 21:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | therefore if you're served the "visitor" page | 21:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | you won't have any of your private navigation | 21:15 |
|---|
| mlamar | very similar to our problem actually | 21:15 |
|---|
| @rizen | but there's all kinds of little things as well...like ^a(^@);); shows the wrong thing...and that confuses users | 21:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | mlamar: just so you know | 21:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | there is a temporary solution to this | 21:16 |
|---|
| @rizen | just turn on preventProxyCache | 21:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | i just want a permanent one | 21:17 |
|---|
| mlamar | Why do you feel that adding a param to the url is a hack? | 21:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | because it's only a solution for that one problem | 21:17 |
|---|
| @rizen | it's solving a symptom | 21:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | not the actual problem | 21:18 |
|---|
| mlamar | It's forcing the browse to refresh the page -- what problem does it not solve? | 21:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | it solves the problem directly after login | 21:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | but not for the whole site | 21:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | for example | 21:18 |
|---|
| @rizen | let's say i go to plainblack.com | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | and browse around as a visitor | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | looking at various message board posts | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | wiki pages | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | etc | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | then i log in | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | using your hack | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | it works for the page directly after login | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | but if i visit any other page after that which i also visited as visitor | 21:19 |
|---|
| @rizen | then the page goes back to the cached version | 21:19 |
|---|
| mlamar | ahh, but my "hack" keeps the noCache param for any page after I've logged in | 21:20 |
|---|
| mlamar | Ideally it should only show once per page after login | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | in addition...you're adding BS to the end of the URL just like preventProxyCache | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | which is also a hack | 21:20 |
|---|
| gooeybot | okay, rizen. | 21:20 |
|---|
| mlamar | to implement that we'd need to add some sort of per-page tracking mechinism | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | the problem is in the cache control headers | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | and i want to fix it in the cache control headers | 21:20 |
|---|
| @rizen | any other solution is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned | 21:21 |
|---|
| mlamar | well if you can fix it in the cache control headers without significantly impacting performance, then that's great | 21:22 |
|---|
| mlamar | if you can't, I'd rather have junk in my urls | 21:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | and you can...as you've already said | 21:22 |
|---|
| -!- wgGuest67 [n=wgGuest6@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] has joined #webgui | 21:22 |
| @rizen | but i don't want junk in my urls | 21:22 |
|---|
| mlamar | yes, but I'm hacking the core, which I don't want to do | 21:22 |
|---|
| @rizen | and neither do a lot of my clients...as expressed in their angry emails and support posts | 21:23 |
|---|
| @rizen | when i tell them to turn on prevent proxy cache | 21:23 |
|---|
| mlamar | well it should be a feature that you control in the conf file | 21:23 |
|---|
| mlamar | btw, when I use the prevent proxy cache it breaks my macros due to the comma in the middle of the param | 21:24 |
|---|
| mlamar | I changed my code to make that a colon instead -- any reason for the comma? | 21:24 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | well I'm not behind a proxy and still I have to reload webgui pages most of the time... | 21:24 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | to display that I'm logged in as an example | 21:25 |
|---|
| mlamar | yes, that is the problem we are discussing | 21:25 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | oh... There will be a fix? | 21:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | mlamar: yes because it's supposed to be a comma. it's not a name value pair | 21:25 |
|---|
| @rizen | If you use macros like ^Extras(some/thing.jpg); or ^/(page-url-goes-here); | 21:26 |
|---|
| -!- dapperedodo [n=joeri@c5375184f.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 21:26 |
| @rizen | instead of ^Extras;some/thing.jpg | 21:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | and ^/;page-url-goes-here | 21:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | then it will work as advertised | 21:26 |
|---|
| @rizen | what you've done by changing it into a comma is | 21:27 |
|---|
| @rizen | created another name value pair, with only a name and no value | 21:27 |
|---|
| @rizen | you have | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | noCache=0000000;0000 | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | which is | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | noCache = 00000000 | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | and | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | 0000 = | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | two separate fields | 21:28 |
|---|
| mlamar | not a semi-colon, just a colon noCache=392:1173120127 | 21:28 |
|---|
| @rizen | oh...sorry, misread | 21:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | colon is just fine | 21:29 |
|---|
| mlamar | anyway, I don't care what the character is, as long as it doesn't kill my macros | 21:29 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'll change it to a colon in the code then | 21:29 |
|---|
| mlamar | thanks! | 21:29 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | there will be a fix about the caching issue? | 21:30 |
|---|
| mlamar | I gotta go to a lunch meeting, so I'm signing off. Let me know what you decide about the cache problem. -- good to talk to you all. | 21:30 |
|---|
| -!- mlamar [n=mlamar@130.157.145.49] has quit ["Leaving"] | 21:31 |
| wgGuest67 | also in this post http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/trashing-uncommitted-assets-in-the-clipboard/5 | 21:31 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | there is On Saturday 03 March 2007 16:15, jt@plainblack.com wrote: | 21:31 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | isn't this bad for spam/security? | 21:32 |
|---|
| @rizen | max, why do you keep coming back? | 21:32 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | cause I made the transition to WebGUI for my website | 21:33 |
|---|
| @rizen | but you hate webgui, and you hate me | 21:33 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | no I don't | 21:34 |
|---|
| @rizen | you've clearly shown your disgust for both of us, and i might mention doug and a few other people as well in your posts | 21:34 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | I think you're not the best guy in the world.. But who's perfect | 21:34 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | Indeed, I'm not the only one that said those kind of things | 21:34 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | glaven.org anyone? | 21:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | but he left webgui behind | 21:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | he doesn't keep coming back | 21:35 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | Because he left the company that was using webgui | 21:35 |
|---|
| @rizen | and he was also pissed because he was fired from the job | 21:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | that was using webgui | 21:36 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | and in the comments other people agree | 21:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | yeah...but they don't keep coming back | 21:36 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | btw I don't want to start another flame, unlike you seem to do | 21:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's the key here | 21:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | i do want to start another flame, because you don't ask questions...you demand answers | 21:36 |
|---|
| @rizen | that's the difference between you and 90% of the other users in the webgui | 21:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | community | 21:37 |
|---|
| gooeybot | i think community is far more diverse than irc would have you believe | 21:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm not talking about irc | 21:37 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | Nope I just ask for questions | 21:37 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm talking about people on support boards, forums, mailing lists, bug reports, client phone calls, etc | 21:37 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | wait I have a video I recently saw I want to recommend you. Wanna see it? | 21:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | if i say no will you send it anyway? | 21:38 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | it's a cool video (a conference) believe me | 21:38 |
|---|
| @rizen | the answers to your questions above are: yes, and no, in that order | 21:39 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | It's a bit long but it's worth it. The part I refer to anyway is about in the middle | 21:39 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6765603919277760697 | 21:39 |
|---|
| pjesi | is it not kind of extra overhead to import ical feed to other calendar assets on the same site? | 21:39 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | that guys is what you call a real Pro | 21:40 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | and he says a lot of the things I said | 21:40 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | about open source communities, feedback, etc. | 21:40 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | guys = guy | 21:41 |
|---|
| @rizen | pjesi: it's overhead from a data storage point of view..but from a display processing point of view (which is 90% of the work), it's less | 21:41 |
|---|
| pjesi | rizen: ok but do I need some cronjob to get the thing imported? | 21:43 |
|---|
| @rizen | the workflow engine will do it for you | 21:43 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | about my questions: 1. that's great. 2. why no? There's an email address that spam robots can easily crawl | 21:43 |
|---|
| pjesi | I added the feed earlier today but it does not show up | 21:44 |
|---|
| @rizen | pjesi: check to see which of the maintenance workflows it's part of | 21:45 |
|---|
| @rizen | i don't remember if it's daily or hourly | 21:45 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | pjesi: I think you have to make sure that the CalendarUpdateFeeds workflow activity is being run. | 21:45 |
|---|
| pjesi | I see | 21:46 |
|---|
| pjesi | never touched the workflows | 21:46 |
|---|
| pjesi | it would be nice to have a import button on the feed tab | 21:47 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | it looks like it is in Hourly Maintenance Tasks | 21:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | yup that would be good | 21:47 |
|---|
| @rizen | you know where the rfe list is? | 21:47 |
|---|
| pjesi | I think so | 21:48 |
|---|
| * perlDreamer goes running. be back later | 21:48 |
| pjesi | hf | 21:48 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | that's the same bug I reported here more than 10 days ago I guess | 21:49 |
|---|
| pjesi | it is not a bug | 21:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | max, that's another thing about you...if you want us to be responsive to you, then you need to understand that not everything is a bug | 21:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | with you...if it's not how you want it to be, it's a bug | 21:50 |
|---|
| @rizen | but that's not how it is | 21:50 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | Not at all... Probably I misread now. I was referring to the feeds not being updated by the workflow | 21:51 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | you're discussing about something different? | 21:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | my comment was made in general | 21:51 |
|---|
| @rizen | not about that specific thing | 21:51 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | whatever, if now I'm right where's the deal? | 21:52 |
|---|
| @rizen | and finally...you argue every last thing | 21:52 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | we start again... | 21:52 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | so what about that video and my last question? | 21:52 |
|---|
| @rizen | please understand that as far as i'm concerned...YOU (and only you) are NOT welcome here | 21:52 |
|---|
| wgGuest67 | that's some news | 21:53 |
|---|
| -!- snapcount_ is now known as snapcount | 21:53 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by ChanServ | 21:53 |
| wgGuest67 | the glaven.org guy is right when he says: you might be CEO of big company X, but plainblack staff will always be rude | 21:54 |
|---|
| -!- mode/#webgui [+b *!*@85-18-14-23.fastres.net] by snapcount | 21:54 |
| -!- wgGuest67 was kicked from #webgui by snapcount [snapcount] | 21:54 |
| SDuensin | Who was that twit? | 21:57 |
|---|
| * SDuensin quite likes Plain Black. | 21:58 |
| @rizen | his name is maxscience | 21:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | he constantly badmouths me, my staff, my company, and webgui to all who will listen | 21:58 |
|---|
| @rizen | but also uses webgui | 21:58 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Gotta love that. | 21:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | because is in his words (paraphrasing) "webgui is a pile of crap, but it's the best pile of crap out there" | 21:59 |
|---|
| @rizen | people can bad mouth me, plain black, and webgui all they want. we're public figures and so we'll get critics...but when they start bad mouthing my peeps...that's when it has gone so far | 22:00 |
|---|
| SDuensin | :-) | 22:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | he's the only person i've ever asked to leave the community | 22:00 |
|---|
| @rizen | that was 6 months ago. he keeps coming back every couple of months, but with a new name | 22:01 |
|---|
| @snapcount | well, before he comes back in here he'll have to change IP addresses | 22:02 |
|---|
| SDuensin | hehe | 22:02 |
|---|
| @snapcount | I tried so hard with that guy | 22:02 |
|---|
| @snapcount | oh well, can't save 'em all | 22:03 |
|---|
| @rizen | i wish i knew his real name and address, i'd put an explicit exclusion in the license file just for him | 22:06 |
|---|
| SDuensin | hehehe | 22:06 |
|---|
| pjesi | hahahha | 22:06 |
|---|
| SDuensin | whois his domain | 22:06 |
|---|
| pjesi | then you could not license it as GPL | 22:07 |
|---|
| pjesi | (I think) | 22:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | no one knows his name | 22:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | i mean domain name | 22:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | his email address is gmail | 22:07 |
|---|
| @rizen | and his ip address is some residental network in italy | 22:07 |
|---|
| @snapcount | I have absolutely no problem banning the entire country of Italy =D | 22:21 |
|---|
| @snapcount | I'm kidding | 22:21 |
|---|
| SDuensin | Give the boot the boot! | 22:21 |
|---|
| ckotil | heh | 22:49 |
|---|
| ckotil | SDuensin: clever | 22:49 |
|---|
| @rizen | perlDreamer | 23:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | i'm talking to my data entry person who's going to move all the help into the wiki | 23:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | do you think all the macros should be moved as well? | 23:06 |
|---|
| SDuensin | WIKI!!!!! | 23:06 |
|---|
| gooeybot | well, wiki is http://wiki.webgui.org or yet another place to get help with WebGUI | 23:06 |
|---|
| @rizen | i think they should be | 23:06 |
|---|
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to make an argument against doing that, but it's not a strong one | 23
|
|---|
