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| mducharme | Happy New Year | 08:00 |
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| SDuensin | YES!!!! Just hit 2011 here, too! | 08:00 |
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| advancedalarmtec | hello all, is there someone online that could ask a question of? | 09:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | that I could ask a question of* | 10:00 |
| advancedalarmtec | I will try later, night | 10:06 |
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| advancedalarmtec | Happy New Year everyone | 18:32 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r505d6ac / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Ham handed attempt to try and find the maximum revision date. - http://bit.ly/fIiRd2 | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rdd72479 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Close all statement handles. - http://bit.ly/dIkcpL | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re9bfa17 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Duplicating events should duplicate relatedLinks. Add tests for setting and | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: getting relatedLinks. Make recurrence use duplicate instead of addChild so that | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: all collateral information like storageIds and relatedLinks are also duplicated. | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Fixes bug #12010. - http://bit.ly/dGs7nQ | 22:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r416b45f / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:13 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Duplicating events should duplicate relatedLinks. Add tests for setting and | 22:13 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: getting relatedLinks. Make recurrence use duplicate instead of addChild so that | 22:13 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: all collateral information like storageIds and relatedLinks are also duplicated. | 22:13 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Fixes bug #12010. - http://bit.ly/hkqzAr | 22:13 |
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| advancedalarmtec | hello all, is there someone online that could help me troubleshoot an issue I'm having with a source install of WebGUI 7.9.18-stable on ubuntu 10.10 server? | 06:35 |
| advancedalarmtec | anyone online? | 06:50 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 06:54 |
| perlbot | preaction: Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. | 06:54 |
| advancedalarmtec | I am getting the following two errors in my webgui.log file: | 07:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | 2011/01/01 01:53:45 - ERROR - www.advancedalarmtec.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::loadModule[1837] - Couldn't compile asset package: WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Survey. Root cause: Attempt to reload WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm aborted. | 07:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1834. | 07:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | source install of webgui 7.9.18-stable on ubuntu 10.10 server | 07:03 |
| @preaction | run the testEnvironment.pl | 07:04 |
| advancedalarmtec | it completes without any errors | 07:04 |
| @preaction | then restart and look for the first error from that module | 07:04 |
| advancedalarmtec | it seems to happen when when I go to admin mode, admin console, settings, and change the default style template for the site | 07:30 |
| advancedalarmtec | no matter what I set the default template to, it stays on style 3 which is what I set the site up as in the beginning | 07:30 |
| @preaction | did you restart? did you look at what the first error from that module was? | 07:31 |
| advancedalarmtec | yes I rebooted the computer, that's the first and only error that showed up | 07:42 |
| @preaction | you don't need to reboot the entire computer, just restart webgui. | 07:43 |
| @preaction | and no, it's not. something is preventing Survey from loading. that error is the second attempt to load it, Perl will not load a module that has failed to load already | 07:43 |
| @preaction | you could go find the Survey.pm module and check it with perl -c WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 07:44 |
| advancedalarmtec | it failed...line 16 | 07:50 |
| advancedalarmtec | line 16 says use WebGUI::Form::File; | 07:52 |
| @preaction | okay, so there's something that's preventing that module from loading | 07:55 |
| advancedalarmtec | how do I fix that? | 07:59 |
| @preaction | first you might want to figure out what's preventing that module from loading | 07:59 |
| @preaction | also, you did not give me the actual error | 07:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | root@w-webserver:/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject# sudo perl -c Survey.pm | 08:00 |
| advancedalarmtec | Can't locate WebGUI/International.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Survey.pm line 16. | 08:00 |
| @preaction | you're in the wrong directory | 08:01 |
| @preaction | you need to be in /data/WebGUI/lib for that command to work | 08:01 |
| advancedalarmtec | root@w-webserver:/data/WebGUI/lib# sudo perl -c WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Can't locate JSON/PP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm line 7. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm line 7. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm line 22. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm line 22. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm line 24. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ExpressionEngine.pm line 24. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm line 54. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm line 54. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm line 20. | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm line 20. | 08:02 |
| @preaction | stop | 08:02 |
| @preaction | don't paste into the channel | 08:02 |
| @preaction | use a pastebin | 08:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | ok, sorry | 08:03 |
| @preaction | Can't locate JSON/PP.pm in @INC <- there is your problem. the JSON module is not installed correctly | 08:03 |
| advancedalarmtec | would it not give me an error when I run the testEnvironment? | 08:04 |
| @preaction | it probably should, yes, unless the testenvironment.pl script is being run under different circumstances from WebGUI itself | 08:05 |
| advancedalarmtec | how would I manually install the JSON module correctly? | 08:06 |
| @preaction | probably using cpan | 08:07 |
| @preaction | or using apt-get linjson-perl | 08:07 |
| @preaction | er.. libjson-perl | 08:07 |
| advancedalarmtec | ok, rebooting now | 08:10 |
| @preaction | what? why/ | 08:10 |
| advancedalarmtec | I did the aptitude install libjson-perl | 08:10 |
| @preaction | okay? | 08:10 |
| @preaction | you don't reboot the entire computer after you install something | 08:10 |
| advancedalarmtec | just needed to reload apache and spectre? | 08:12 |
| @preaction | yes | 08:13 |
| advancedalarmtec | it's still acting the same way I described before, but it's not throwing any errors in the webgui.log file | 08:26 |
| @preaction | change your log level to INFO, instead of ERROR, and see if anything gets logged | 09:01 |
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| advancedalarmtec | do I just paste the output from the file to pastebin.webgui.com? | 09:23 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r789a347 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : The Account system should show Visitor a login instead of an insufficient privilege screen. Fixes bug #12012 - http://bit.ly/h4oDXm | 22:39 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re671398 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : The Account system should show Visitor a login instead of an insufficient privilege screen. Fixes bug #12012 - http://bit.ly/gd6K99 | 22:39 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r5e7e660 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Account.pm : Uh, and the code change for Visitor Account privileges. - http://bit.ly/er2ItX | 22:42 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r648ea28 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Account.pm : Uh, and the code change for Visitor Account privileges. - http://bit.ly/eIEfQZ | 22:42 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e0da41 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow for File and Image subclasses to be handled gracefully by the Thingy. - http://bit.ly/hqL00Y | 22:59 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r51126f7 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow for File and Image subclasses to be handled gracefully by the Thingy. - http://bit.ly/fF99li | 22:59 |
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| advancedalarmtec | If there is someone online that could help please take a look at the error I posted in http://webgui.pastebin.com Thank you! | 08:14 |
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| advancedalarmtec | does webgui 7.10.6-beta use json version 1.x or 2.x? | 10:29 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:38 |
| +bartjol | howdy, good year | 16:39 |
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| advancedalarmtec | is there someone online that could help me troubleshoot an issue I'm having with webgui 7.10.6-beta running on ubuntu 10.10 server? | 16:53 |
| advancedalarmtec | I posted the error on http://webgui.pastebin.com | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | hey | 17:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I have an ignorant English speaking question for you | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Is there a Dutch equivalent for N/A (the abbreviation for Not Applicable)? | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | yes | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | n.v.t. | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | niet van toepassing | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | mmmm | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that you've never used the WeatherData asset? | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's full of hard-coded english :( | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | well I used it once as a test | 18:22 |
| Haarg | hopefully nobody ever used the weatherdata asset | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | and my testsite is englisgh | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | so I wouldn't notice | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I can say that 1 person will be using the WeatherData asset | 18:24 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: would that be you? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I am immune to weather | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | because in Oregon, we only have two kinds of weather | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | wet and rainy, and wet and sunny | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | 9 months out of the year, it is wet and rainy | 18:44 |
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| +bartjol | ah, it's like dutch weather | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't y'all get a lot of ice and snow? | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | most is gone already | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | we have some cold periods, but the don't last | 18:49 |
| +bartjol | btw the error in http://webgui.pastebin.com/mr8MhPZ6 looks like a misconfiguration, right? | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | a guy called advancedalarmtec: had the problem | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it looks like spectre tried to call WebGUI, but WebGUI returned the a page instead of JSON data | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | could be bad spectre.conf, webgui.conf, DNS or several other things | 18:51 |
| +bartjol | I had the problem quite often with DNS | 18:51 |
| +bartjol | but do you need a Dutch translation for weatherdata? | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | and you want to make that translation? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I just noticed that it was full of hardcoded English | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | which in general is a no-no for WebGUI | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | even if it won't do international sites, there are still people who prefer languages other than English in the U.S.A. | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | well let's find the guilty person and attack him/her with something really scary: too much friendliness | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | will it be there in wg 8? | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the long term plan is to move StockData, WeatherAsset and the Dashboard into a separate repository | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so it won't be in core | 19:04 |
| +bartjol | well, maybe an asset cleanup can't harm | 19:05 |
| +bartjol | I do remember a poll for the most popular asset | 19:05 |
| +bartjol | depends on the number of enties how usefull that was for such elimination | 19:06 |
| +bartjol | s | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I don't remember how many people voted | 19:06 |
| +bartjol | problem is with eliminating stuff like that is that the hoster will get more requests for installions of those assets | 19:07 |
| +bartjol | would be cool if that could be front end plugins | 19:08 |
| +bartjol | but we will do that in webgui starter | 19:10 |
| +bartjol | which is coming along now | 19:10 |
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| @preaction | damn, he just left before i could explain the plan | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you could blog about it preaction | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | he'd be sure to read that | 19:12 |
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| advancedalarmtec | is there anyone online that I could ask a question of? | 19:56 |
| Haarg | possibly | 19:56 |
| Haarg | the issue you were having earlier is most likely because spectre is reaching the wrong site when it tries to connect to webgui | 19:56 |
| advancedalarmtec | that would cause the malformed json string? | 19:58 |
| Haarg | it uses the first item in the 'sitename' config entry to connect. so that hostname needs to resolve properly on the server, and needs to direct to the correct site in apache | 19:58 |
| Haarg | yeah. it expects webgui to serve a json string, but instead it is receiving an HTML file. | 19:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | if I'm trying to host multiple sites does it matter which host name I mention first on the hosts file? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | all of them, the first one in the sitename config entry | 20:00 |
| @preaction | spectre connects to all the websites | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | advancedalarmtec: the order in the hosts file doesn't matter, but the order in the WebGUI config file matters a lot | 20:05 |
| advancedalarmtec | in the www.site1.com.conf file I have the: "spectreSubnets" : ["127.0.0.1/32","123.123.123.123/32"], | 20:10 |
| advancedalarmtec | is the 123.123.123.123 supposed to be the local ip of the computer | 20:12 |
| Haarg | if spectreSubnets was wrong, you would be getting a different error | 20:14 |
| advancedalarmtec | I have put the host names of the sites I'm hosting first on the list, ex: 127.0.0.1 site1.com www.site1.com site2.com www.site2.com site3.com www.site3.com ... localhost | 20:38 |
| Haarg | the order of stuff in the hosts file doesn't matter | 20:38 |
| advancedalarmtec | I'm still getting the same error after restarting apache and sptectre | 20:39 |
| Haarg | what is sitename in the site's config file? | 20:39 |
| Haarg | and try doing 'curl http://www.site1.com/' on the server | 20:40 |
| advancedalarmtec | "sitename" : [ "www.site1.com","site1.com" ], | 20:40 |
| @preaction | and that is what Apache thinks the sitename is? ServerName and/or ServerAlias? | 20:41 |
| advancedalarmtec | in apache2 VirtualHost block: ServerName www.site1.com ServerAlias site1.com | 20:42 |
| @preaction | and cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test; # reports everything is okay? | 20:43 |
| advancedalarmtec | @preaction: it gives an error, it appears that when I try to go to http://www.site1.com it brings up the default "It works" apache html file, but if I go to http://site1.com it brings up the webgui page | 20:46 |
| @preaction | then something is wrong with everything we've been talking about | 20:47 |
| advancedalarmtec | what do you mean? | 20:49 |
| @preaction | don't PM without asking. | 20:57 |
| @preaction | ServerName/ServerAlias, webgui sitename, and DNS/name need to all be synced up, as was said at the beginning. going to http://www.site1.com on the server WebGUI is on should bring up the site | 20:58 |
| advancedalarmtec | I'm sorry @preaction, I did not intend to offend. | 20:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | in the hosts file do you put the site1.com www.site1.com ect under the 127.0.0.1 address or the 127.0.1.1 address? | 21:00 |
| @preaction | whatever address apache is bound to | 21:04 |
| * perlDreamer goes afk | 21:19 | |
| @preaction | if i were to start blogging about webgui 8, should i use blogs.perl.org like everyone else and just link to it from webgui.org and the plainblack twitter account? | 21:23 |
| advancedalarmtec | I deleted the site that was giving me problems along with it's config file, when I run: perl spectre.pl --test everything tests out ok. I tried to go into admin console, settings, account, and changed all the style templates to a different one, hit save, and it doesn't change the template of the site. In the webgui.log it shows: WARN - www.site2.com.conf - WebGUI::Asset::newByUrl[2066] - | 21:46 |
| advancedalarmtec | The URL favicon.ico was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 21:46 |
| @preaction | did you commit your version tag? did you clear your browser cache? the warning in the log has nothing to do with this problem | 21:47 |
| advancedalarmtec | I do not have any pending version tags, yes i cleared out browser cache | 21:57 |
| advancedalarmtec | I assume to commit a version tag if one exists is to go to admin console, version tag, manage pending versions. If that's the case there are no version tags that are created when I go to settings and try to change the default style template of the website. | 22:13 |
| @preaction | Pending versions are versions working through the commit process. Open version tags are tags not yet committed | 22:16 |
| advancedalarmtec | ok I guess my question would be, after going to settings and changing the style for the site and hitting save, what is the next step to commit the change to the site | 22:24 |
| @preaction | if there is an open version tag, commit the version tag. otherwise it should be done | 22:25 |
| advancedalarmtec | there are no open version tags, yet the changes were not made to the site. There are no errors in the webgui.log, only the warning I posted earlier. How do I go about troubleshooting this? | 22:27 |
| @preaction | is loglevel at info? going back to the edit page, are the changes in the form? is the log level at INFO? | 22:29 |
| @preaction | hmm... must be monday after vacation... | 22:29 |
| advancedalarmtec | log lvl is on INFO | 22:30 |
| advancedalarmtec | the changes stay on the form, say I go back to to settings and account, it shows the style that I selected previously | 22:31 |
| @preaction | wait, settings? | 22:32 |
| @preaction | account? | 22:32 |
| @preaction | the Admin Console template isn't changable. the Account style templates are configured in the Account tab in the Settings | 22:33 |
| advancedalarmtec | yes, when I'm logged into the site, I go Admin Console, Settings, Account tab | 22:33 |
| advancedalarmtec | from the account tab I select the different style template that I want to change the site to | 22:34 |
| @preaction | each individual account plugin has its own style template, are you changing them all? did you also change the User Function Style in the UI tab? | 22:34 |
| advancedalarmtec | I did change all yes, no I did not change anything in UI | 22:35 |
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| TheSeparator | Happy WebGUI8 year to all of you! | 22:36 |
| advancedalarmtec | I just changed the style template in UI to the same I have selected in the Account tab, cleared browser cache, still no change | 22:36 |
| @preaction | then what is the exact URL you're seeing no change on? | 22:40 |
| advancedalarmtec | after making style template changes to the UI tab and Account Tab, I click save. After I click save I log out. Close my web browser. Clear my browser's cache. Open it back up and go to www.site1.com. It loads www.site1.com/home (home is still the old style template). I click log in, it loads another page to log in (http://www.site1.com/home?op=auth;method=init) this page shows the updated | 22:47 |
| advancedalarmtec | style template that I chose. After I type in my log in info it takes me back to the home page with the old style template | 22:47 |
| @preaction | okay, the home page is a different style template. that's not in settings, you have to Turn Admin On and edit the page to change your style | 22:56 |
| @preaction | that should all be covered in the Content Manager's Guide http://www.webgui.org/user-guides | 22:57 |
| advancedalarmtec | thank you @preaction. I will take a better look at the user-guides. I believe all the errors I was having earlier are fixed. I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much. May I PM you real quickly? | 22:59 |
| @preaction | no, i'm in and out, trying to get work done | 22:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | ok, I didn't know what correct protocal is for donating, if it goes directly to you, or if I should go to webgui.org and donate there. I didn't want to make a taboo and do the wrong thing, I was just wanting to donate towards the cause in appreciation of your time | 23:01 |
| @preaction | we don't really take donations. more valuable would be spreading the word about WebGUI's awesomeness. a simple "Powered by" link on your site, or just word-of-mouth. helping users here or at the webgui.org forums would be greatly appreciated as well | 23:05 |
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| advancedalarmtec | @preaction: sure will, thanks again! | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | now that i'm all caught up from the vacation, i get 3 solid hours in which to bugfix Webgui 7! yay! | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you think it matters which user owns a version tag? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, extra events created by the ExtendCalendarRecurrence workflow would be owned by Visitor | 01:36 |
| @preaction | it only matters if the tag will be interrupted by approval, which ExtendCalendarRecurrence never will be | 01:41 |
| @preaction | in fact, it should probably bypass approval in 8 | 01:41 |
| * perlDreamer hasn't learned about content approval/workflow changes in 8 yet | 01:42 | |
| @preaction | when did you want to do the release? i'm bugfixing until then | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 9:00pm my time | 01:44 |
| @preaction | okay, so i got plenty of time | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | hack on, brother! | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | in case it isn't obvious, I'm working on the calendar recurrence bug | 01:46 |
| @preaction | i'm working on the isDuplicate performance problem, and then back up the bug list from oldest to newest | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | k | 01:52 |
| @preaction | i hope to hit iccbba's bug before the night is out, so i can give them some good news for the new year | 01:52 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb911f05 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Commit events created by the ExtendCalendarRecurrences workflow activity. Fixes bug #11994. - http://bit.ly/hVy8vH | 03:02 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r77c4a47 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Commit events created by the ExtendCalendarRecurrences workflow activity. Fixes bug #11994. - http://bit.ly/dGIy7N | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, when do entries in the Event_recur table get cleaned up? | 03:12 |
| @preaction | uh... good question | 03:12 |
| * preaction wants to remove recurrence individual events and calculate occurences on-the-fly | 03:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | sounds slow | 03:14 |
| @preaction | prove it. i didn't. i think it would be comparable to instantiating the events from the database | 03:14 |
| @preaction | but i'd like to see the benchmarks first | 03:14 |
| @preaction | also, WebGUI::User::validateProfileDataFromForm needs to die :( | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | agreed | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | re events, it would have to instanciate more events, since you'd have to instanciate all previous events, back to time==0 | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and, whereas now we delete those, you'd have to check to see if they have a recurrence pattern and keep those around | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if the pattern hasn't expired yet | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it could trade off | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm skeptical | 03:18 |
| @preaction | i'd do it just for the maintenance benefit, if the performance doesn't suffer too much | 03:19 |
| @preaction | say, 100 daily, weekly, and monthly events forever. if it can handle that at reasonable speeds, and if speed decreases linearly as more events are added, i'd be perfectly happy | 03:19 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra083737 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Do not extend recurrent for events in the trash. Do not extend them in the | 03:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: clipboard either, since it'll either make a mess in the clipboard or pop them up | 03:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: on the calendar automatically. Fixes bug #11995 - http://bit.ly/heM63t | 03:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rf0b2ec3 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:26 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Do not extend recurrent for events in the trash. Do not extend them in the | 03:26 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: clipboard either, since it'll either make a mess in the clipboard or pop them up | 03:26 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: on the calendar automatically. Fixes bug #11995 - http://bit.ly/eIvaXB | 03:26 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11947 <- what else does this need to do? | 03:26 |
| Haarg | would probably be good to take care of #12004 if you are working on bugs | 03:28 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: after that, we need to make sure they are passed through to PayPal to charge to the user. | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | based on how convoluted passing shipping costs were, I doubt they work correctly and there's probably no documentation on how to do it properly, either | 03:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what kind of invalid dates are being passed from Finance::Quote, inside the StockData asset? | 03:35 |
| @preaction | 2009-10-10, no time, iirc | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ick | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on, that's an ISO date format | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but we expect English date formats | 03:38 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb7ffb3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that the StockData asset doesn't die when handling various date formats. Fixes bug #11986. - http://bit.ly/fDRkZW | 04:01 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r0980526 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that the StockData asset doesn't die when handling various date formats. Fixes bug #11986. - http://bit.ly/gg64fc | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | 3 bugs killed, in progress on #4 | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | off to dinner | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | back from dinner | 04:36 |
| @preaction | testing is fun and good for you! | 04:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've been thinking about writing a series of blog articles about why testing sucks | 04:55 |
| @preaction | say it ain't so, joe! | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be slightly tongue in cheek | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, testing sucks because some people think it's a silver bullet | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | when it truth, tests can suck just as bad as code | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | tests have non-zero cost | 04:57 |
| @preaction | sure, but the net cost of a project with testing is lower than one without | 04:57 |
| @preaction | i fix these four bugs here, and i know i never have to fix these exact four bugs again, and most likely nothing like them | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but the time to write those tests has to be factored into a project | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's short-term vs long-term viewing | 04:58 |
| @preaction | indeed, and i think COBOL has proven that all software is long-term | 04:59 |
| * perlDreamer better take out more insurance | 05:12 | |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rc5ecf3f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix bad characters in the price column when importing products into a Shelf. Fixes bug #12001. - http://bit.ly/e8BGhF | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | are you going to commit some test fixes tonight preaction? | 05:13 |
| @preaction | yes, i've got one more bug i'm gonna fix and then i'll merge | 05:13 |
| * perlDreamer waves his hand before preaction, "You _will_ merge your code so that I can regress." | 05:14 | |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6726466 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix bad characters in the price column when importing products into a Shelf. Fixes bug #12001. - http://bit.ly/goLyVf | 05:14 |
| @preaction | you think i won't test myself? for shame, pd. for shame. | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I know you'll test yourself | 05:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the code I worry about ;) | 05:16 |
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| andyiomoon | evening/morning/afternoon all... wherever you may be | 05:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, andyiomoon | 05:33 |
| andyiomoon | hey there Colin! | 05:36 |
| andyiomoon | I am writing to you from my new office - I started as Operations Manager at NeTC (Swinburne) today | 05:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Congratulations! | 05:37 |
| andyiomoon | many thanks | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | is it hard switching back to office-mode from home-mode? | 05:37 |
| andyiomoon | actually, no... working at home there are so many distractions and it takes a lot of effort to ignore them and get some solid work done | 05:37 |
| andyiomoon | this definitely has its benefit - and working at a university again means I get to work at university pace | 05:38 |
| andyiomoon | sloooow and eassssy | 05:38 |
| andyiomoon | I have a quick webgui related Q if you can be bothered... | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it on! | 05:39 |
| andyiomoon | I am trying to set up an admin user with the ability to add users to groups. I have added them to the "secondary admin" group and I have set the permissions for "groups" and "users" on the account > permissions tab to "secondary admin" but... | 05:40 |
| andyiomoon | they cannot see all the groups when it comes time to add a user to those groups... they can only see the groups they have permissions to... | 05:41 |
| andyiomoon | do I just need to add them to all the groups - is it that simple? | 05:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | actually, what you described, I think it should work | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | let me look at some code... | 05:43 |
| andyiomoon | WebGUI Build Version:7.7.21-stable | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be 3 year old code | 05:44 |
| andyiomoon | ...they can only see the groups to which they have been added... | 05:44 |
| andyiomoon | that's what I should have said | 05:44 |
| andyiomoon | 3 years old! | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, about 6 months per sub-version | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and we're working on 7.10 | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | wait, 18 months old | 05:45 |
| @preaction | the Secondary Admins group is special. what permissions in the Permissions tab do they have? | 05:45 |
| @preaction | do they have full access to Users and Groups? or just the limited access. it sounds like the limited access | 05:45 |
| @preaction | or maybe the check is wrong and checks for the limited access before the full access | 05:46 |
| andyiomoon | Groups, Users and Users (add only) | 05:46 |
| andyiomoon | the latter because I was getting desperate and mashing a whole lot of buttons | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I usually do | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the Group privilege code looks the same between 7.10 and 7.7 | 05:47 |
| andyiomoon | (hello Doug btw) | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Andy, can you duplicate that on a demo site? | 05:48 |
| andyiomoon | I could certainly try and get back to you | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | [sidebar canEditAll -> groupIdAdminGroup] | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | [canView => groupIdAdminGroupAdmin] | 05:48 |
| andyiomoon | what is special about the Secondary Admin group? | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought we'd gotten rid of the specialness | 05:51 |
| @preaction | that's what the "Users (add only)" and "Groups (limited)" are, the special Secondary Admin stuff | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but with Settings->Privileges, those are all just defaults now | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | aren't they? | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | andyiomoon, are the users in the Secondary Admins group also part of Turn Admin On? | 05:54 |
| andyiomoon | let me check... | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I did this very quickly on a dev site, and it worked. | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I created joeuser, put them into Secondary Admin (and Turn On Admin to get them to the Admin Bar) | 05:54 |
| andyiomoon | they are not | 05:55 |
| andyiomoon | let me add them and see if that works | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how do they get to the Group screen in the admin console if they can't turn on Admin? | 05:55 |
| andyiomoon | first - adding them to the Turn On Admin group made no difference... | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | on my end, removing them didn't change things either, the user can still see all groups | 05:56 |
| andyiomoon | hmmm - so you can't replicate my problem | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but I may be setting things up differently as well | 05:57 |
| andyiomoon | I presume by having them as part of the secondary admin group gives them turn on abilities by default | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to be in TOA | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | there are two other things to consider... | 05:58 |
| andyiomoon | they are part of a group called managers... this may have Turn On Admin in it.... | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm actually looking at 7.7.33 | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and your 7.7.21 isn't core, it's Flux | 05:59 |
| andyiomoon | ahh | 05:59 |
| andyiomoon | good ol' Flux | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | getting similar results with 7.7.21 - core | 06:00 |
| andyiomoon | that is no doubt confusing matters | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it's just one potential reason why I can't duplicate what you're doing | 06:00 |
| andyiomoon | yes | 06:00 |
| andyiomoon | Flux was meant to manage users and groups in a different way to the standard WebGUI way... | 06:00 |
| andyiomoon | but we are not using it | 06:00 |
| andyiomoon | that is, it is not switched on | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | then it shouldn't make a difference | 06:01 |
| * perlDreamer has to step out and be fatherly distracted for about an hour | 06:01 | |
| * andyiomoon will be afk for a while too | 06:02 | |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rad8f123 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/search.pl): fix 11985 Search.pl should warn on bad asset (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/geLLba | 06:15 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: all done. you may fire when ready, gridley | 06:24 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * r8760795 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11945 slow sql for duplicate email lookup - http://bit.ly/fHJdGR | 06:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * ra454fcf / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11960 cart address fields marked as mandatory - http://bit.ly/hLpLZR | 06:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * r19e4c58 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Search.t): fix 11976 use container url gives permission denied - http://bit.ly/fN0EcR | 06:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * ree6fd02 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/search.pl): fix 11985 Search.pl should warn on bad asset - http://bit.ly/fueP0Q | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | test ho! | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I've started looking into Test::MockTime to shave off some test time for free | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it works very well | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and we shouldn't ever have to call sleep again in tests | 06:44 |
| Haarg | only issue with that module is that it has to be loaded before anything else. usually not a problem though. | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I learned that the hard way | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that, and Paul has used Test::Deep inside the Event asset | 06:47 |
| Haarg | Test::Deep is rather annoying. very powerful and useful but a number of annoying issues as well. | 06:48 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r75ddd84 / (2 files): Update tests to handle new data being returned from USPS, for both domestic and international shipping. No driver changes required so far. - http://bit.ly/fC9Lf3 | 06:57 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rec9e081 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.17 release. - http://bit.ly/gcx8R6 | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | all done! | 07:15 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r5b318bd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.20 release - http://bit.ly/gADr84 | 07:16 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | hi scott | 16:34 |
| SDuensin | Hey bartjol | 16:36 |
| +bartjol | what's up? (or down) | 16:37 |
| SDuensin | Blood pressure, stuff I work on. In that order. :-) | 16:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm handing off a project to Obiora, then going to the gym | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | when I come back, I'd like to 8 it up | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the best place for me to start would be to get us sync'ed back up to the master branch | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you think it would be better to work on something else, please holler | 18:53 |
| neil___ | Need confirmation. Will RFE #12016 incorporate the 'read more' feature from the collaboration system? | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | "read more" is just a link that you can add to the "summary" view of the CS | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you displayed only the synopsis or highlights of a story, then you could put a link to the full content | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it may or may not be included in default templates | 19:05 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:12 | |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think I'll start just by making all the old tests work again | 20:45 |
| @preaction | actually, we've got a few tasks to complete before we can do anything close to a release | 20:45 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r78a12c1 / t/Asset/Story.t : No debug in Test::More, using diag instead. - http://bit.ly/hwmsHY | 20:46 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11751 <- here's a good one. if gatewayUrl doesn't work, we can't have a beta | 20:46 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11838 <- another good one. if http basic auth doesn't work, can't have a beta | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard to do safe development with 14 tests failing | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | like that last commit | 20:48 |
| @preaction | i know, but i'm out of time. everybody's all pissed off that they asked me to do an impossible task with zero resources and i couldn't complete it | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | very well | 20:48 |
| @preaction | if you stumble across why those tests are failing, go ahead and fix them, but iirc they're pretty deep | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | did you look at my last commit? | 20:49 |
| @preaction | i'll be going over everything using WebGUI::Form and updating it to FormBuilder, so i might hit those tests too | 20:49 |
| @preaction | sunnuva, THAT was the problem? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ya | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | how about we both burn 2-4 hours fixing up the tests, and then go crazy hacking? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and then, let me know on what kind of schedule you want master merged in | 20:51 |
| @preaction | alright, we'll try it your way. i'll get the AssetHelper tests | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I got Session/Url.t | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | now that Story isn't failing, the AssetHelper tests may be passing again | 20:51 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r25b981b / t/Session/Url.t : Import node can't be used to test getBackToSiteURL since that forces the user back to the default asset. - http://bit.ly/gLbUpz | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the USPS and USPSInternational tests will fail until we merge master into 8 | 20:57 |
| Freyal2 | Does anyone know if is it possible to install webgui on a regular hosting package without root access like godaddy hosting plans? | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to have root access to run WebGUI | 20:57 |
| Freyal2 | damn ok thanks | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | to start the spectre program | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or find a WebGUI hoster who will take care of those details for you | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, from what I'm seeing, most of these tests are failing due to the conversion to WebGUI::Test->asset | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes, you really do need something that's not a child of a Layout, or the Import node | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | although in general for tests, we have assets scattered all over the place | 21:11 |
| @preaction | which tests and why? | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Session/Url.t | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | if the current asset is in the import node, the back to site URL takes you to the default asset | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and in Session/Style.t, the snippet is below a layout | 21:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | and since it has a printable style template, the test to see what happens when a template can't be found fails | 21:12 |
| @preaction | Session/Style.t is easy, WebGUI::Test->asset( className => 'WebGUI::Asset::Snippet' ); | 21:13 |
| @preaction | wait. doesn't printableStyleTemplate climb the entire tree? | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes :) | 21:13 |
| @preaction | okay, then those tests don't have to use Test->asset | 21:13 |
| @preaction | it just saves some code and auto-cleans. i also added a user one recently | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | they're both handy | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | VersionTag.t is passing | 21:24 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd1a9bd9 / t/VersionTag.t : No more session->var. - http://bit.ly/etcSa5 | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I've got Session/Style.t passing, but it's leaking assets | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, maybe you better talk me through the new VersionTag API, because my old, outdated familiar code for making and cleaning up assets doesn't seem to work | 21:28 |
| @preaction | you just need to clean up the asset. you don't need a tag anymore, at all | 21:28 |
| @preaction | assets are automatically approved | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | how do I make an unapproved asset for testing? | 21:31 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra7623ed / t/Session/Style.t : Remove debug comments, make sure that the snippets do not have parent assets with style templates and that they get cleaned up. - http://bit.ly/g7co1O | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Session/Style.t is passing, moving on the Keywords | 21:33 |
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| @preaction | you set the tagId and status => "pending", then commit the version tag | 21:34 |
| @preaction | so, in other words, everything is explicit now, not implicit | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | can I set that via calls to addChild, or do I have to do it afterwards? | 21:35 |
| @preaction | yes, you can do it via addChild | 21:35 |
| @preaction | some of the tests do that, because of the commit() sub | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Keywords.t is passing | 21:36 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rfe18190 / t/Keyword.t : Do checks for keywords without order. - http://bit.ly/eAUsYv | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | on to RootTitle | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | RootTitle.t is working | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | on to the SiteIndex | 21:47 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra8fcce6 / t/Macro/RootTitle.t : Testing assets have to be based off the root node, so the lineage works right. Change this, and clean them all up. - http://bit.ly/hY4F7I | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I've spent 5 years shoe horning the old, convoluted, difficult API into my head, and now you go make it simple! What were you thinking preaction? | 21:48 |
| @preaction | sometimes i don't even know myself | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | SiteIndex.t is working | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you've got the last 3 tests | 21:50 |
| @preaction | ok | 21:50 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0e93c33 / t/Content/SiteIndex.t : Cleanup the hidden asset directly, since it's not created in a version tag. - http://bit.ly/ijwD85 | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to rerun the whole suite, with DEBUG turned on to look for leakers, but since the tests are all passing I don't expect anything | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'll quit griping at you and start on 8 dev | 21:51 |
| @preaction | wasn't there going to be some kind of style guide for webgui? or do i just keep talking and not doing? | 22:31 |
| @preaction | http://oksushi.com/test/list-form/ <- for example. same markup, different CSS for 4 different form types | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | the group changes in 7.8/7.9 are all code changes, correct? i've got an ldap client that might benefit if i can backport them | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | group changes are all code changes | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Style Guide was another promise from TWG | 23:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | They did start a style guide on the TWG website, but I don't think it was only partially implemented. | 23:36 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4881b83 / t/Asset/Story.t : Refix the Story.t test to handle a different parent. - http://bit.ly/e6g0nO | 23:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: the leak check shows 1 of 2 (or maybe more) things | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | either the test cleanup is bad (but it works in 7.x) for version tags | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | or, when an asset is purged, it's not cleaning up the tag that it belongs to if there are no other assets in the tag | 23:58 |
| * perlDreamer will check later, since they don't seem to be interfering with the other tests right now | 23:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | for reference: http://gist.github.com/765521 | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | on to gateway-isms | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | URL->query_form looks very nice | 00:45 |
| @preaction | the URI::URL module is great. or is that not the module you're talking about? | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | just the idea of passing query data around as arrays, or hashes instead of strings | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | any thoughts on what I posted to the gatewayUrl wG8 ticket? | 00:48 |
| @preaction | let me check quick | 00:49 |
| @preaction | paul made a new shiny and was looking for RFE approval / input | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | aren't we deadline limited? | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | paul is not | 00:52 |
| @preaction | paul works for chris | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 00:56 |
| @preaction | and yes, you're correct in your implementation details | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet, I'll code it, test it and if it passes, close it out | 00:56 |
| @preaction | in the future, we might do "base" or "mountpoint" so one can do "http://mysite.com/subsite" directly in the config file, but for now it's unnecessary | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be fun to rewrite WebGUI to use URI natively instead of Session/Url, but later... | 00:58 |
| @preaction | indeed | 00:58 |
| @preaction | also this: http://warpspire.com/posts/url-design/ <- today is just full of style best practices | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Didn't gnat blog about that last week? | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/12/four-short-links-29-december-2-1.html | 01:08 |
| @preaction | alester just got around to tweeting it then | 01:17 |
| * perlDreamer wants to ignorantly assume that we always have a request object | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that safe now that we have Plack? | 01:34 |
| @preaction | not when testing, i found out, but when testing you can just add one | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the session returned by WebGUI::Test always has one, but there are probably other ways that sessions are created. :/ | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | That's something else that sucks about tests | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Test maintenance is a hassle | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you might come up with an awesome new idea for testing | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but then you have to refactor 50K lines of tests to make it worth it | 01:38 |
| * perlDreamer runs off to get kids from school | 01:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm also out of ideas for dinner and am open to suggestions from the floor | 01:40 |
| @preaction | scalloped potatoes and ham | 01:40 |
| sbaur | burritos | 01:40 |
| @preaction | easy and tasty! corn and rolls on the side | 01:40 |
| @preaction | I blame this code i wrote on frodwith: $wait = 1 if grep { !$_->isFinished } map { WebGUI::Fork->new( $session, $_ ) } @forkIds; | 01:58 |
| @preaction | much map/grep in his code | 01:58 |
| @preaction | yay! much updates from me today! | 02:01 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rdccfc59 / t/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.t : fix exporthtml assethelper test to wait for forks (+14 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/dXcxkw | 02:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction must be a carbo-loader. If they ate that, they'd starch their shorts! | 02:11 |
| @preaction | actually, i'm just cheap. potatoes are like $3 for 10lbs around here | 02:12 |
| @preaction | the meat's expensive though | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, so it's potatoes,ham, corn and rolls | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | for a sec, I thought corn and rolls was another meal suggestion all by themselves | 02:13 |
| @preaction | no, it's side-dishes. there are good, cheap, brown and serve rolls out there, and corn is corn | 02:15 |
| @preaction | chicken parmesan is pretty easy too, crackers and parmesan and italian seasoning to bread and fry chicken, then simmer in tomato sauce and serve over noodles. | 02:16 |
| @preaction | there's a simple alfredo made of a stick of butter, 4 oz of sour cream, and 4 oz of parmesan | 02:16 |
| @preaction | margerine works for that alfredo as well, but it doesn't work for much else. | 02:17 |
| @preaction | tried baking a yellow cake with margerine once... did not end well... | 02:17 |
| sbaur | pork chops are tasty too. I just slather them in dijon mustard and cook in frying pan 5 min per side... a little applesauce, a salad, and presto, tasty meal | 02:19 |
| @preaction | ooh, you could do stuffed chops too | 02:20 |
| * sbaur is getting hungry | 02:20 | |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: is Content/SiteIndex.t passing for you? or is that the third failing test i was supposed to look at? | 02:23 |
| * perlDreamer will stash and double check | 02:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's passing for me stand alone... | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but failing en masse | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | probably due to leaky tests | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | how are the AssetHelper tests coming? | 02:24 |
| @preaction | they're fixed, go ahead and pull | 02:24 |
| @preaction | i also added a messton of derps though | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | what are derps? | 02:25 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Deprecate::derp | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: what was that new test thing you were talking about previously? that would require the refactoring? | 03:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::MockTime? | 03:43 |
| @preaction | [17:38] <perlDreamer> but then you have to refactor 50K lines of tests to make it worth it | 03:46 |
| @preaction | or was that just an idle comment | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I was talking about new things like WebGUI::Test->asset and stuff | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | they're great additions | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but managing large test suites is like managing large application codebases | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | so, it gives one pause before just wading in and doing it | 03:46 |
| @preaction | yes. luckily for me i had an actual code change to make | 03:47 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf323c80 / lib/WebGUI/Account/FriendManager.pm : Clean up syntax warning about double my in FriendManager. - http://bit.ly/frTewP | 03:53 |
| @preaction | uh, didn't i already do that? | 03:53 |
| @preaction | yep, didn't push though. fixed | 03:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4919c1d / lib/WebGUI/Account/FriendManager.pm : fix warning from friendManager - http://bit.ly/gqBKt1 | 03:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6bb5ab9 / (lib/WebGUI/Account.pm lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm): Account::Inbox editSettingsForm to FormBuilder - http://bit.ly/gpWe9b | 03:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8bd2dea / (3 files in 3 dirs): initial base of Account test classes - http://bit.ly/gHrVNF | 03:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, more Test::Class tests | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh, now we have problems | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I have tests that are passing stand-alone but not in the suite | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | which means those leaks that I so quickly passed over earlier are more important than thought | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well, we know they pass if run standalone, it's just more work for now | 03:58 |
| @preaction | my thoughts exactly | 03:58 |
| @preaction | i've got 1500 lines in a quickfix window to go through... yay... mechanical substitution of one value for another... 500 to get through by Friday. | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 03:59 |
| @preaction | migratinge verything to FormBuilder. every use of HTMLForm, TabForm, and WebGUI::Form::AUTOLOAD | 04:00 |
| @preaction | everything | 04:00 |
| @preaction | and adding tests for all code i touch | 04:00 |
| @preaction | because i'm tired of not having tests to check my stability against | 04:00 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re87358d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm : No need to check out separate tags for auxiliary assets like Folders inside the Story Archive. - http://bit.ly/hw1pVu | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like adding Test::MockTime will save us close to 6-10 seconds | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which doesn't seem like a lot | 04:29 |
| @preaction | per asset test in run_asset.t? | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, I missed that | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a 2 second per asset penalty in run_asset.t right now | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | which comes out to 2 minutes | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | since we have about 60 assets | 04:31 |
| @preaction | i got rid of some sleeps iirc, replaced with arguments to addRevision/addChild | 04:32 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r6665e9f / t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t : Escape the assetId everytime - is encountered, not just the first. - http://bit.ly/gbCrEq | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, there's no fork table in WebGUi | 04:34 |
| @preaction | uh... there better be, WebGUI::Fork needs it | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | on most operating systems, it's Fork | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and with that uppercased, it seems to loop for at least 5 seconds | 04:36 |
| @preaction | huh? | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I changed the tablename from fork to Fork | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and now the test seems to stall | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but not reliably | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 04:37 |
| @preaction | and yes, it's going to wait like that, it has to | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | how about a fork bomb and BAIL_OUT with a 20 second timeout? | 04:37 |
| @preaction | that's one drawback to having seperate processes, especially a detatched process like WebGUI::Fork creates | 04:37 |
| @preaction | sounds good | 04:38 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r6032319 / lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Uppercased table name for WebGUI::Fork test method. - http://bit.ly/g7GdEq | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that'll do it | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | 16 modules are missing POD | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | USPS drivers need updates from master | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | EMSSubmission fails | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | here's are some recent leak results for reference http://gist.github.com/765846 | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of email | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 LDAP link | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | some assets | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | some workflow instances | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | not too shabby | 04:42 |
| * perlDreamer is going to switch to Daddy mode, I'll be back in a couple of hours | 04:42 | |
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| @preaction | if i wanted to add chat (again) to webgui, how would you expect it to work? | 07:08 |
| @preaction | would one Chat asset be one room? | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that would allow for fine grained permissions | 07:08 |
| @preaction | i want something awesome for the WebGUI 8 presentation i'm giving in Feb. reworking my old Chat asset into an 8 asset would suffice for me | 07:09 |
| @preaction | i'm also thinking of adding Djabberd support, using WebGUI::Fork and custom plugins to connect to Chat assets using any XMPP client | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | URI is absolutely awful about handling UTF8 content | 07:09 |
| @preaction | really? | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 07:09 |
| @preaction | don't we use it to handle UTF8 stuff though? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | even Plack seems to avoid it | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's more likely that I don't know what I'm doing | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and we need some kind of decode when we're done | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought I'd build a URI object for removing the gateway from the incoming URL | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | not fun | 07:12 |
| @preaction | you shouldn't have to though, graham says plack will do that for you | 07:24 |
| @preaction | you just have to mount '/base' | 07:24 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't believe that, and I've read through the Plack::Request code | 07:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | it just works with or without SCRIPT_NAME | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't ever give you a URL without SCRIPT_NAME added to it | 07:25 |
| @preaction | $request->base should have the mountpoint in it, but then i haven't tried anything | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it does have the mountpoint in it | 07:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, what's really useful for a mounted app is to have the gateway/SCRIPT_NAME automatically removed for you | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think Plack does that | 07:26 |
| @preaction | ahh | 07:26 |
| @preaction | you can't just match $request->base and remove it? | 07:26 |
| @preaction | anyway, i'll stop telling you your business | 07:26 |
| @preaction | and instead marvel at how CLI programs used to be, and how much i hate them for that | 07:27 |
| +perlDreamer | no you can, and i wanted to do that with URI, since you can construct a relative URL from an arbitrary URL, like $request->base, but then you run into UTF-8 problems | 07:27 |
| @preaction | CLI programs should be App:: modules that accept configuration as methods, so one can use it as a module, or on the command-line | 07:28 |
| @preaction | ahh | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd love to have an hour of Haarg's time to walk through this with me, just to make sure I'm not missing something, especially with the encoding/decoding | 07:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, so the only way to test app.psgi is to run plack? | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no test magic? | 07:34 |
| @preaction | maybe the Plack module has a way to load any random psgi file? | 07:35 |
| @preaction | or you could, in theory, use "my $app = do file" | 07:35 |
| @preaction | i think | 07:35 |
| @preaction | looks like Plack::Runner->run() is what you want maybe? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to do something, otherwise, pseudo-live testing in Plack won't ever use the gateway URL | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and it needs to be added to WebGUI::Test::Mechanize | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | that alone may be the best reason to scrap this idea, since this implementation of the gateway depends on mounting the app | 07:37 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning everybody! | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | dreamersgirl, shouldn't you be paying attention to class? | 19:03 |
| dreamersgirl | I am... | 19:04 |
| dreamersgirl | Lecturer was late, so I signed on during break. :) | 19:04 |
| Haarg | perlDreamer, if you want to talk about gateway stuff at some point let me know | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, let's talk gateway | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not all that common for us both to be around at the same time anymore, so I'll take advantage of it now | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll build a patch so you can see what I'm doing | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd love to use URI more, but it gives me problems with UTF-8 urls | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: this is what I've done http://gist.github.com/766604 | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's little more than s/config->get('gateway')/request->base->path_info/ | 19:12 |
| Haarg | looks like the patch is reversed? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/766609 | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I reversed the args on the command line | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Open questions that I have: | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) I know that you originally intended on doing a lot of this work yourself. Is the way that I did it what you had in mind? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) I don't see how, using Test::WWW::Mechanize::PSGI how to test mount paths/points. | 19:18 |
| Haarg | 1) not quite. instead of trying to figure the gateway and using that, we should just use what Plack::Request provides | 19:21 |
| Haarg | to get the requested URL, use $request->path | 19:21 |
| Haarg | and then, to generate URLs to use, use something along the lines of what is in the Plack::Request dispatching example | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but that takes me to #2, where I can't test that | 19:22 |
| Haarg | is there any need to? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | well yeah, I'd like to build test to make sure it works now, and keeps working | 19:23 |
| Haarg | i guess i kind of see it as testing third part code, but you could certainly make something with URLMap that could test it | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Isn't URLMap built into Plack now, or are you thinking it would just let me build an app for testing? | 19:24 |
| Haarg | it is built into plack, and it would allow you to build an app to do testing | 19:25 |
| Haarg | the way it should work in my mind is that sitename and gateway are only used by app.psgi and spectre | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so, inside WebGUI itself, we should use $request->base->path_info and $request->base->host? | 19:31 |
| Haarg | and to change the hostToUse setting to a choice between default (based on $req->base) and a user defined address | 19:31 |
| Haarg | $req->path_info and $req->base | 19:32 |
| Haarg | no reason to care about the host specifically on the base address | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | a bare sitename is used in places in WebGUI | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | like the UID for events in ical feeds | 19:35 |
| Haarg | it probably shouldn't be | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | probably, in that particular case it wouldn't hurt to use the hostname and gateway | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and in the other uses I'm seeing, it's a violation of the gateway policy | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | like in Widgets | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | ITransact paydriver | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Snippet export URL path | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | also, regarding testing 3rd party software, I completely agree, what I'd be testing is the way that I'm using it, to make sure I've done it correctly | 19:39 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r41ac1f1 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Template Preview button - http://bit.ly/htAnMr | 20:42 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r9f9cac0 / www/extras/templatePreview.js : whoops, forgot the js - http://bit.ly/hOPAz6 | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith++ for i18n :) | 20:45 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rcdda623 / www/extras/templatePreview.js : jslinting the preview js - http://bit.ly/dHQ57Y | 20:48 |
| @preaction | uh. our image annotation thing doesn't actually add the text to the image? it just uses JS to work? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | does anyone know how it was supposed to work? i suspect i'm supposed to fix it | 21:02 |
| Haarg | the person who wrote it didn't really know what they were doing | 21:07 |
| dreamersgirl | wasn't me. ;) | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, that's correct, it's all JS based | 21:17 |
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| @preaction | but, afaik, it was supposed to add the text to the image itself, no? | 21:26 |
| Haarg | you'd have to ask jt | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | why are you supposed to fix it? | 21:27 |
| Haarg | doing that would probably require storing an extra copy of the image as well as the annotation information | 21:27 |
| @preaction | because it's crap code and i'm supposed to fix crap code, not perpetuate it | 21:28 |
| advancedalarmtec | which version of the wre would you guys recomend installing on ubuntu 10.10 server? | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 0.9.3 | 21:39 |
| @preaction | as long as it's not 64-bit, if it is, you'll want to compile yourself from the latest git version | 21:40 |
| advancedalarmtec | 32 bit version. I have tried downloading and installing wre-0.9.3-ubuntu-6server-ia32.tar.gz I followed the instructions listed on the webgui website for the install. After I create the site and try to restart services for the life of me I can't get mod_perl or mod_proxy to start. Is there something that I'm missing that I need to do? On the ubuntu 10.10 server I don't have anything | 21:45 |
| advancedalarmtec | installed, it's a fresh install with no other software downloaded or installed. | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's the problem? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you're missing libraries? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or you have mysql installed? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or you're not running setenvironment.sh | 21:46 |
| @preaction | did you run testEnvironment from webgui after running wre's setenvironment? | 21:46 |
| advancedalarmtec | after running the wre I run the testEnvironment | 21:48 |
| advancedalarmtec | the wre downloads and installs webgui...therefore I can't run the testEnvirnment before the wre unless I manually download webgui and run it before hand | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | does testEnvironment run clean? | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | have you looked in the error logs (/data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log and ...modproxy.error.log) to see why they aren't starting? | 21:50 |
| advancedalarmtec | no, I have a list of modules I have to manually install before the testEnvironment runs clean, but yes I can eventually make the testEnvirnment runt clean | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that's normal, the WRE usually lags behind what WebGUI needs in modules | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | how about the error logs? | 21:51 |
| advancedalarmtec | no, I didn't know there was another location for the modperl or modproxy error log, I thought they were all in the /var/webgui.log file...I will check the others and find out what they say | 21:52 |
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| advancedalarmtec | are you supposed to install apache2 prior to running ./wreconsole.pl ? | 22:01 |
| @preaction | the WRE includes apache | 22:01 |
| @preaction | but wreconsole uses its own http server | 22:01 |
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| advancedalarmtec | if you are using wre, does webgui use the http server that the wre uses? | 22:03 |
| advancedalarmtec | or do you have to install apache2 and manually set up the virtual hosts? | 22:04 |
| @preaction | the WRE includes apache and the WRE sets up WebGUI to use its apache/mysql/perl stack | 22:04 |
| advancedalarmtec | ok, so since i'm trying to install the wre I should not install apache2 or mysql prior to running the ./wreconsole.pl | 22:05 |
| @preaction | correct | 22:07 |
| @preaction | i suppose if i would redo the annotation thing, the problem would be fonts. where are they? how do i add more? | 22:24 |
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| advancedalarmtec | I have a stupid question...it appears that when I run ./testEnvironment.pl when it fails, I find the equivalent aptitude install xxxxxxxxx. Would it be better if all the perl modules were installed using aptitude since it doesn't appear to ever fail installing things? | 22:48 |
| @preaction | no, aptitude installs for your system perl, not the WRE's perl | 22:49 |
| advancedalarmtec | so when when the ./testEnvironemtn fails, I shouldn't use aptitude to get the package? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | no | 22:50 |
| advancedalarmtec | oh...that must be what I'm doing wrong...what's my other option then? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | cpan force install? | 22:51 |
| advancedalarmtec | I will do that instead...thank you @preaction I didn't know there was a difference...that may be what was wrong with me installing it from source previously | 22:52 |
| advancedalarmtec | when I get this installed finally, and working 100% I'm going to write the complete idiot's guide to installing webgui ;) lol | 22:59 |
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| advancedalarmtec | if a force install of a module fails, the only thing left to do is download the source and compile/install it from there? | 23:38 |
| @preaction | what module? | 23:40 |
| advancedalarmtec | DBI | 23:41 |
| advancedalarmtec | ls | 23:42 |
| @preaction | do you have build-essential on your system? | 23:43 |
| advancedalarmtec | I don't believe so, it's a fresh install | 23:44 |
| @preaction | without build-essential you can't install most anything from cpan | 23:44 |
| @preaction | the /data/wre/docs/install.txt explains what you need | 23:44 |
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| advancedalarmtec | once again thank you #preaction, I have read that file and it doesn't say anything about installing build-essential that I saw. DBI has installed without any problems, moving forward to the others | 23:56 |
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| advancedalarmtec | DBD::mysql failed, even with a force install any ideas? | 00:00 |
| scrottie0 | you have mysql installed? paste the output of running make into gist.github.com? | 00:02 |
| advancedalarmtec | mysql was installed using the ./wreconsole.pl | 00:02 |
| scrottie0 | and you're building DBD::mysql against your own local perl? | 00:03 |
| scrottie0 | you'll have to tell it where in /data/wre to find the MySQL that came with the WRE. | 00:03 |
| advancedalarmtec | would it be the location of the my.cnf file in the wre folder? | 00:06 |
| scrottie0 | don't remember. I'd have to look at the docs. ditto for the perl Makefile.PL arg name. | 00:08 |
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| advancedalarmtec | I know I can run: sudo aptitude install libdbd-mysql-perl, but @preaction said that if you install via aptitude it won't work with webgui or wre | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't install it in the WRE | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and the WRE should already provide that | 00:15 |
| scrottie0 | if you build your own perl, at a minimum you're going to have to also build a new mod_perl against the apache in the WRE as well as building your own DBD::mysql against the mysql in there. | 00:17 |
| @preaction | if the WRE doesn't appear to provide that, you might not be working in the WRE's environment | 00:17 |
| scrottie0 | there are docs for source installs and for WRE installs but not really any for a hybrid install like that. | 00:17 |
| @preaction | type "which perl" and what comes up? it should be /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 00:17 |
| advancedalarmtec | it shows /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 00:18 |
| scrottie0 | that should already have a DBD::mysql though things might be non-operational now. | 00:19 |
| scrottie0 | was the WRE just not working for some reason and you're doing this to fix it? or is your goal to use a newer/custom build of perl...? | 00:20 |
| advancedalarmtec | I ran the wre | 00:21 |
| advancedalarmtec | after I ran the wre, mod_perl and mod_proxy wouldn't work, so I went to the WebGUI/sbin folder and ran the testEnvironment | 00:22 |
| advancedalarmtec | am I not supposed to run the testEnvironment on an wre installation? | 00:23 |
| sbaur | you definitely should run testEnvironment on a WRE install | 00:28 |
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| advancedalarmtec | I've gotta head out, I'll be back later. Thank you all for your help | 00:30 |
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| cj | scrottie0: moo | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | yo know what i wish? that the matrix had tests | 01:30 |
| * preaction writes some | 01:31 | |
| @preaction | my wish CAN come true! | 01:31 |
| scrottie0 | heya cj | 01:32 |
| scrottie0 | I left my cell phone charger somewhere in eastern Washington, btw. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | eastern Washington is a nice place for cell phone chargers, radioactive rabbits and skiing | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | matrix has _some_ tests, just not lots | 01:45 |
| @preaction | MatrixListing.t had two tests: making sure addChild returned the right classes that were just created :p | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | now maybe I can get back to 8 | 02:07 |
| @preaction | yay! | 02:08 |
| @preaction | sub editAttributeSave in the matrix is awesome! check out that privilege check, and then check out how the sub is used | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | awesomeness will have to wait for a return from the garage | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | back in 75 | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I see what you mean | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps return 0 would be better | 04:55 |
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| SDuensin | Hey all. | 16:23 |
| +bartjol | hi lonely person | 16:37 |
| SDuensin | That'd be me. :-/ | 16:38 |
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| +bartjol | howdy perlDreamer | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | hey bartjol | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | more WRE script fixing? | 17:51 |
| +bartjol | well, as you prolly have seen | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yes, much email in the inbox | 17:53 |
| +bartjol | sorry, sometimes forget to right it in one go | 17:56 |
| +bartjol | write it | 17:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | eh, it happens to me all the time | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | which is why I write tests :) | 18:03 |
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| +bartjol | hey, I do the pull request in a normal manner nowadays | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you do, and it's great | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but, should we pull them both, or just the one? | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | both | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | or | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | wait, the last one is correct | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | the first one has a bug | 18:09 |
| +bartjol | so the latest one should be in good order | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | btw are there any wre plans for wg 8? or will it be basically be the same, considering the wre-scripts? | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | off course the apache stuff will be replaced by Plack | 18:21 |
| +bartjol | and wreservice script should change | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | modperl => plack | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | modproxy => nginx, I think | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | however, now that we're not using two different apaches, there's no reason for us not to use native packages | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just my opinion, I have never been a big fan of the WRE | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd just as soon install a native distribution package from a private repo | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | well, pro's cons etc | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, like perl module versions | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | TinyMCE version | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | etc. | 18:25 |
| +bartjol | it does make it easier to replicate erros | 18:25 |
| +bartjol | have you been told about the webgui starter project? | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard little snippets | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but nothing with a lot of details recently | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the idea to build a $5 hosted WebGUI site? | 18:27 |
| +bartjol | yeah, without people intervening | 18:28 |
| +bartjol | we have the technical side mostly done | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | nice! | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | the restarting of the webservers was one of the holdups, you don't wannna have your webuser to have (indirect) root rights | 18:29 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym to keep that hope that I can beat bartjol in the WUC 2011 Great Arm Wrestling Contest | 19:15 | |
| +bartjol | eeh we have never done that competition | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | words to the wise | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if your request for help starts with, "Your software sucks, how can I do this in your software" | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | then you should expect to receive an answer like, "Build it yourself, since our software sucks" | 20:34 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r61245ba / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix template preview to work with chunked content and template post-processing (in Layout, for instance) - http://bit.ly/eF9DO8 | 22:43 |
| @frodwith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3tWmdHviZg | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | now you're just bragging :) | 23:29 |
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| qwebirc193057 | hello all | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy | 23:31 |
| qwebirc193057 | when you run the testEnvironment for the first time do you want cpan to use the automatic configuration, or should we enter the dialog with it? | 23:36 |
| sbaur | frodwith: that looks very cool | 23:37 |
| @frodwith | :) | 23:37 |
| sbaur | you say it should be pretty easy to backport... all the way back to 7.5.40? | 23:38 |
| sbaur | though I really need to get my sites updated | 23:39 |
| @preaction | qwebirc193057: i tend to exit out of the testEnvironment.pl at that stage, because the autoconfig will not do some things because it's not in the shell mode | 23:41 |
| @preaction | running "cpan" from the command-line, doing "o conf init" and letting it autosetup is what i usually do | 23:42 |
| @preaction | then i fix "o conf prerequisites_policy follow" and "o conf auto_commit yes" and finally do as it asks "o conf init urllist" | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I usually run testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport, which will tell you which modules are missing | 23:44 |
| qwebirc193057 | perlDreamer: then use cpan to manually install each module that's not installed? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, doing the same configuration that preaction talked about to make using cpan easier | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if getRequestedUrl all of a sudden started returning URLs with initial slashes, do you think that would be bad? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | $session->getRequestedUrl to be precise | 23:49 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: i can't see why, as newByUrl always strips them off anyway | 23:49 |
| @preaction | we've taken "Be liberal in what you expect" to buggy heights | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, just need to update some tests | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, time to relearn Encode and URI again | 00:00 |
| @frodwith | sbaur: for some definition of "easy", yes | 00:09 |
| @frodwith | it should be backportable | 00:09 |
| @frodwith | you'll have to sort through the patches | 00:09 |
| @frodwith | but it's not relying on anything recent that I'm aware of | 00:09 |
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| qwebirc193057 | in configuring cpan is there any extra url i should add to the list other than the ones they list when running o conf init urllist? | 00:50 |
| @preaction | any standard cpan mirror is fine | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | hell. zabbix CAN do maintenance periods. i'll start using them now i guess | 01:02 |
| @preaction | ooh, you can even set up recurring maintenance periods | 01:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, a watched turkey never boils | 03:14 |
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| qwebirc193057 | anyone have any tips on installing DBD::mysql? it keeps failing using cpan | 09:28 |
| qwebirc193057 | mysql was installed using the wre 0.9.3 | 09:30 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:26 |
| +bartjol | is that an automated post? | 16:26 |
| +bartjol | but indeed friday afternoon, upgrade time :) | 16:27 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:27 |
| SDuensin | It's a finger macro. :-) | 16:28 |
| qwebirc193057 | anyone have any tips on installing DBD::mysql? it keeps failing using cpan | 16:38 |
| qwebirc193057 | mysql was installed using the wre 0.9.3 | 16:38 |
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| SDuensin | qwebirc193057: Did you remember to setEnvironment before running cpan? | 16:46 |
| qwebirc193057 | yes | 16:51 |
| SDuensin | Well, there goes my big idea. :-) | 16:52 |
| SDuensin | What's the error? | 16:52 |
| qwebirc193057 | i got it, went to souce file and had to run: sudo perl Makefile.PL --mysql_config /data/wre/prereqs/bin/mysql_config | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | cool | 16:54 |
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| +bartjol | strange though, I haven't seen that problem before | 17:22 |
| +bartjol | but, it might need root rights and sudo-ing does change the environment again | 17:24 |
| +bartjol | you do habe it in the correct perl now? | 17:25 |
| +bartjol | so in wre perl, not system perl? | 17:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, bartjol! | 18:48 |
| bartjol | hey | 18:52 |
| bartjol | what's up | 18:52 |
| bartjol | gonna crack my code? | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Probably on Monday | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Monday is now super bug fixing and code merging day | 18:54 |
| @preaction | indeed | 18:54 |
| bartjol | ah, so I can supply you with work wrint bad code | 18:55 |
| bartjol | or bad english | 18:55 |
| bartjol | the only thing that might not be good is that when I check for rotations I get it from the config and then comapre it as a string | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | why not compare it as a number? | 18:57 |
| bartjol | but that is more a taste matter | 18:57 |
| bartjol | just was my first go | 18:57 |
| * perlDreamer likes Sriracha with his strings :) | 18:57 | |
| bartjol | didn't think about it till later | 18:57 |
| bartjol | testing now | 19:00 |
| bartjol | hot saucce? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yes | 19:01 |
| bartjol | commited to github | 19:03 |
| bartjol | do I need to make a new pull request? | 19:03 |
| bartjol | perlDreamer: ?or will that be included automatically? | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be handy to know which revision to pull, so another pull request would be appreciated | 19:05 |
| bartjol | well,there are 3 revisions now | 19:06 |
| bartjol | do you want the commit url here and now or shall I put it in the bug report? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | bug report, please | 19:07 |
| bartjol | there you go | 19:08 |
| bartjol | and here I go | 19:09 |
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| * scrottie0 waves hullo | 19:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | welcome back, scrottie0 | 19:22 |
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| scrottie0 | heya perlDreamer. | 19:36 |
| scrottie0 | thanks. | 19:36 |
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| @scrottie | seems like skype still isn't very stable. | 22:28 |
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| +Radix_ | scrottie: their new super mega nodes need to be ultra boosted before they'll work reliably I heard. But don't worry.. their Ultimate Awesome nodes are coming online soon to replace them. | 04:58 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r5fc7b42 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Template help for the additional topic variables - http://bit.ly/h2aNv1 | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm working on closing out Arjan's maximumAsset bugs | 20:08 |
| @preaction | ok | 20:08 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r33698fc / lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm : Remove old debugging code for validToken. - http://bit.ly/gmk2pB | 20:18 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdfffaf3 / t/Asset/maximum_assets.t : Add a test for tripping maximum assets to make sure it works. We will depend on the live tests for www_editSave to determine the opposite case. - http://bit.ly/f7sqIs | 20:18 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r96eb9bb / lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm : Remove old debugging code for validToken. - http://bit.ly/fifU7N | 20:18 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd111b55 / t/Asset/maximum_assets.t : Add a test for tripping maximum assets to make sure it works. We will depend on the live tests for www_editSave to determine the opposite case. - http://bit.ly/ffCvHU | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, moving on to Squonk's userLoginLog bug | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | are you still working bottom up? | 20:21 |
| @preaction | i will be, once i finish these e-mails and followups | 20:21 |
| @preaction | but i will also assign the bugs to myself before i start working on them, as always | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, after I add the indeces, I'm going to the doctor | 20:21 |
| @preaction | ok | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | remember when I was sick in December? | 20:22 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:22 |
| @preaction | it's back? | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | According to my sinuses, it's still December | 20:22 |
| @preaction | ouch, feel better | 20:23 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r28f4b1b / (4 files in 3 dirs): rfe #10521: Use monospaced font in template edit textarea - http://bit.ly/fMDfiv | 20:33 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r702d00b / (lib/WebGUI/Session/Form.pm t/Asset/maximum_assets.t): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/gZBJav | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, what do you think about promoting that RFE to a bug to help the people out in 7.9? | 20:38 |
| @preaction | the monospaced font one? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and tab | 20:38 |
| @preaction | sure | 20:38 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r727e45c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add indeces to the userLoginLog to help with cleanup. Fixes bug #12008 - http://bit.ly/gVf375 | 20:40 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rf305cdd / (3 files in 2 dirs): Add indeces to the userLoginLog to help with cleanup. Fixes bug #12008 - http://bit.ly/fZ2xAN | 20:42 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rf78961d / (4 files in 3 dirs): rfe #10521: Use monospaced font in template edit textarea. Promoted to a bug to help the people in 7.9 - http://bit.ly/hQaK2w | 20:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: your blog feed isn't in the ironman feed | 21:00 |
| @preaction | it won't be. bi-weekly. i can't support weekly | 21:00 |
| @preaction | or does that not matter? | 21:01 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't think it matters | 21:01 | |
| @preaction | i'm subscribed to blogs.perl.org's top-level RSS | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no one reads that | 21:01 |
| @preaction | and apparently i've got replies that i didn't get notified about too... | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | just 3 | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | CGI is really only a novelty, since it isn't a gateway to running WebGUI on cheap hosting yet | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | due to spectre | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but that shall change too, yes? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | i'm hoping, yes. actually, most of WebGUI works w/o spectre, except the damnable maintenance tasks | 21:03 |
| @preaction | and yes, novelty only. but i was surprised at how well it performed. 2.5wallclock seconds to render a page, on my crap laptop | 21:04 |
| @preaction | 0.9 user seconds. far longer than users would like, but far faster than i expected | 21:04 |
| @preaction | added to ironman, thanks | 21:05 |
| sbaur | hi everyone | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | hey sbaur! | 21:17 |
| sbaur | how long should it take dns changes in automat to apply? I've just made 3, 2 of which happened almost instantly, the third, i'm still waiting for... | 21:18 |
| sbaur | I'm adding 1 cname to 3 different domains | 21:18 |
| @preaction | depends on how long the TTL is, 86400 is 24h | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | DNS caches failure. don't cache failure. | 21:19 |
| @preaction | the TTL is how long the DNS should cache the result. dig @worldwidedns.net yourdomain <- should verify the change will get replicated | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think our default TTL is 4 hours | 21:20 |
| @preaction | yes | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: have you read this bug: Errors parsing JSON for EXIF in Gallery (#12002) | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12002 | 21:22 |
| @preaction | huh. looks like a JSON encoder bug, but we should definitely plan for it | 21:23 |
| sbaur | thanks for your help | 21:23 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: what's the schedule for release looking like? | 23:21 |
| * perlDreamer is very boring | 23:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | 9:00pm tonight, my time | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that's usually when I do it | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | right after kids go to bed | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that way, I can do the release and sleep sound with the knowledge that websites all over the world are less buggy | 23:22 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra96a9c3 / (2 files): Update tests to handle new data being returned from USPS, for both domestic and international shipping. No driver changes required so far. - http://bit.ly/fLjasS | 23:26 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0119e9 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When setting photo JSON, wrap the json serialization in an eval to trap errors. Addresses bug #12002. - http://bit.ly/faMhoV | 23:26 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r88c6c32 / (2 files in 2 dirs): When setting photo JSON, wrap the json serialization in an eval to trap errors. Addresses bug #12002. - http://bit.ly/gyIwiS | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry about that, preaction, I forgot to port the test fixes in 7.9 to master sooner | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if your USPS tests are failing, that's why | 23:27 |
| @preaction | np, i'm still catching up on e-mail and making design decisions for paul's RFEs | 23:27 |
| @preaction | also trying to make sure i'm maximizing my marketing of the blog posts about WebGUI, as i'll be making more of them and want them to have some impact. i've languished on this front for 12 months too long | 23:29 |
| Haarg | i'm confused by that exif/json change. how would that address the bug? | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't die any more | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but it won't set the JSON either | 23:31 |
| Haarg | unless i'm missing something, it didn't die before | 23:31 |
| Haarg | it died when it tried to decode it | 23:31 |
| Haarg | which is already trapped with an eval | 23:31 |
| Haarg | the broken json wouldn't have made it into the database if the encode process died | 23:32 |
| Haarg | would be good to get arjan's JSON and JSON::XS versions | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll back out those commits | 23:37 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc65fd19 / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: There was no dying due to this bug, it was trapped during deserialization, not serialization. | 23:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: This reverts commit a0119e9e82adc4e10482d34f50734a7fcb32139a. - http://bit.ly/idt7op | 23:54 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r6fa0aaf / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:55 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: There was no dying due to this bug, it was trapped during deserialization, not serialization. | 23:55 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: This reverts commit 88c6c329b1d3c545dd7d09e3eca86800d78f195d. - http://bit.ly/dFvzlO | 23:55 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6f34c25 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 00:09 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Prevent SSO fixation attacks against WebGUI by modifying Operation/SSO to log | 00:09 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: the user in as the user with a different session, and to require a flag in the | 00:09 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: config file to enable it. This feature will be removed in WebGUI 8. Fixes bug | 00:09 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: #12004. - http://bit.ly/epGqLt | 00:09 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r688000b / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Prevent SSO fixation attacks against WebGUI by modifying Operation/SSO to log | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: the user in as the user with a different session, and to require a flag in the | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: config file to enable it. This feature will be removed in WebGUI 8. Fixes bug | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: #12004. - http://bit.ly/g2oBmH | 00:11 |
| @preaction | finally! now 3 hours of bugfixing times! | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, bugfixing! | 00:40 |
| @preaction | just wow. Map doesn't work with CrystalX style... | 00:55 |
| @preaction | i didn't think it possible... | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you seen the forms on the Underground site? | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | All forms get built vertically, due to the Underground CSS | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | for radio button and checkbox lists | 00:56 |
| @preaction | yay! | 01:02 |
| @preaction | so i need to make a CSS class so the style can be overridden, but if i make it a class it's very non-specific so the bug won't be fixed if it's overridden by a more-specific selector | 01:10 |
| @preaction | but i can't make it an ID and keep it overridable. and if i make it an inline style, it would be specific enough to fix the bug, but not overridable | 01:10 |
| @preaction | oh... duh... !important | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so this is my solution to us working on the same bug at the same time | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | if you work on it, you should assign it to yourself | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | if I work on it, I'll assign it to you, too | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that way, you'll see that you're already working on the bug, and won't start working on it! | 01:12 |
| @preaction | ooh good idea! | 01:13 |
| @preaction | but i assigned this one! | 01:13 |
| @preaction | i'm working on the mappoint one | 01:13 |
| @preaction | there's 5 others exactly like it | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's okay, because you assigned it to yourself and starting working on it | 01:14 |
| @preaction | ahhh | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can have the 5 others, too | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but you'll have to assign them to yourself, otherwise you won't work on them | 01:27 |
| @preaction | indeed | 01:31 |
| @preaction | what's your projected time for the release? | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | (01:21:32 PM) perlDreamer: 9:00pm tonight, my time | 01:32 |
| @preaction | ah, sorry. good, then i may have time to eat | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yes | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | hack on | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | eat on | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | all is on | 01:33 |
| * perlDreamer recommends http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | saw it on Iron Chef America last night, made with lobster | 01:34 |
| @preaction | poutine with lobster? | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:35 |
| @preaction | i've got a canadian friend, so i eat poutine lots. it's awesome the way mac and cheese is awesome | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that particular dish may even have won it for the challenger | 01:35 |
| @preaction | ooh, carne asada frites! (mexican poutine) | 01:36 |
| @preaction | instead of tortilla chips / nachos, french fries! my mind == BLOWN | 01:37 |
| @preaction | so, essentially, ground beef, sour cream, and cheese over fries. like Brass Ring has chili fries | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nacho fries | 01:38 |
| @preaction | yeah | 01:39 |
| @preaction | and that's led me to burritos and now i want burritos | 01:39 |
| @preaction | i make excellent san-fran-style burritos, lime/cilantro rice, black beans, ground beef, cheese, sour cream | 01:40 |
| @preaction | only wish they sold 16" burrito shells at my local grocer, or i was patient enough to make my own | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you make your lime/cilantro rice? | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | is it Chipotle (TM) style? | 01:42 |
| @preaction | pretty much | 01:42 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf1dd08c / (3 files in 3 dirs): If there are missing, required fields when saving data to a thing, do not write it to the db. Fixes bug #11996. - http://bit.ly/gBIgIS | 02:01 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r0bc42cf / (3 files in 3 dirs): If there are missing, required fields when saving data to a thing, do not write it to the db. Fixes bug #11996. - http://bit.ly/gNmcRE | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: should we add script/type/src to the valid elements: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11992 ? | 02:09 |
| @preaction | i guess, if we allow script at all, then src should probably be allowed | 02:10 |
| @preaction | but that could just as easily go in the head tags | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | good ponit | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | good point, too | 02:13 |
| @preaction | i'd say allow src= in the Content Manager's Rich Editor. we already have the other ways to get rid of JS in the normal user areas | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | too late | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I already closed the bug | 02:15 |
| @preaction | okay, but i'd expect, when i have HTML source, being the power user I am, that I could put whatever i care to in it, provided it's valid html | 02:16 |
| @preaction | power-user, non-programmer | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it is valid HTML, and if users want to change it, they can modify the Rich Editor | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | our power users, being well educated and properly trained, should use head tags | 02:17 |
| @preaction | so it's broken by default, but to fix it you can just ...? | 02:17 |
| @preaction | actually, why do we disallow anything in the CM's rich edit? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so people don't make ugly content? | 02:20 |
| @preaction | many places say "Add us to your page, paste this snippet into your website!" When that doesn't work in an Article, who's fault is it? | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want it enchanged, oh empowered one? | 02:22 |
| @preaction | i think that it would stop anyone from posting that bug again, so yes | 02:22 |
| * perlDreamer bows deeply, "Slim-jim-salad-shim" | 02:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | actually, in the default CM rich editor we don't block anything | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | strong/b[*],em/i[*],*[*] | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that lists strong and b as synonyms (prefer strong), similarly with em/i | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and allows all other elements | 02:27 |
| @preaction | then... what's causing his problem? | 02:28 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know, but I can duplicate it pretty easily | 02:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's a bug in TinyMCE itself | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | because if I change the order of those 3 items, I can get it to do different things | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we _should_ look into that TinyMCE upgrade | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, adding the script directly to the ruleset works | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but it also has *[*], which is supposed to match everything | 02:35 |
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| @preaction | ooh, then survey could be a special type of dataform with actions and conditionals and other simple scripting! | 03:08 |
| @preaction | to start at the beginning: Side note for future development: DataForm without tabs should not exist. By default, it should have one tab called Default or something. Moving fields that are or are not inside tabs starts getting complicated quickly. I imagine someone will post a bug about how tabbed fields move in relation to the list view. | 03:08 |
| @preaction | Or, better idea, instead of editing the form in Admin Mode, a special "Form Editor" view. Then nobody would expect to edit the form in either data entry or list views. | 03:08 |
| @preaction | but again we define sections by their implementation. pages, tabs, and fieldsets | 03:09 |
| @preaction | sometimes we want inline editing, other times we don't. how do we decide? | 03:11 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r9be6da4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11987 map displays white text on white bg - http://bit.ly/ggdBVs | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r2808a19 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11988 dataform list view missing field control - http://bit.ly/exjcIv | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc0d5cc9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm : fix dataform jumping between views when moving fields - http://bit.ly/dIPQZ4 | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r6397f20 / t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm/viewList.t : fix test for new controls param - http://bit.ly/hA4iw2 | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r2e3ee7e / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: fix 11989 Calendar list view isn't uniform and missing fields | 04:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: also fixed timezone problem with the list view sections - http://bit.ly/dQWB6I | 04:28 |
| @preaction | yay! proof i did work today! | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | backport ? :) | 04:28 |
| @preaction | working on it, after test run | 04:29 |
| @preaction | though i didn't change much code, mostly templates | 04:29 |
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| * perlDreamer switches to Daddy mode for ~ 2 hours | 05:08 | |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: when you return from better things, I'm done for the day, so no waiting on me for release | 05:16 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * r8bf3cb6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix 11987 map displays white text on white bg - http://bit.ly/ekISJQ | 05:16 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * r134cee2 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11988 dataform list view missing field control - http://bit.ly/hLt46e | 05:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you rock! | 06:37 |
| andyiomoon | why exactly does preaction rock? | 06:52 |
| andyiomoon | I don't doubt he does - I just want to see if we have the same reasons | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | How does preaction rock? let me count the ways | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | He wrote new tests | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | he ran the test suite | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | he fixed bugs | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | he wrote thoughtful responses to challenging emails about future code | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | he told me he was done so that I could release the code | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | he trusts me | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that's fix for now | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, six for now | 06:57 |
| andyiomoon | ok... I don't have any of those... | 06:58 |
| andyiomoon | but I will add them to my list | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what did you have? | 06:58 |
| andyiomoon | he has a nice beard | 06:58 |
| andyiomoon | that | 06:58 |
| andyiomoon | is all | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | well, between us we got 7 | 06:58 |
| andyiomoon | that's gunna be hard to top | 06:59 |
| andyiomoon | have you ever had cause to use passive analytics? | 06:59 |
| andyiomoon | he says, changing the subject | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | use it? no, but I did write it | 07:00 |
| andyiomoon | heh - whoops! | 07:00 |
| andyiomoon | so you did | 07:00 |
| andyiomoon | well - it has only taken a couple of years but I think Swinburne may be ready to use it :) | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | good deal! | 07:01 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd5abe32 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.7 release - http://bit.ly/ea3gHl | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | did you have some questions about what PA does and how it works, andyiomoon? | 07:05 |
| andyiomoon | I probably will have perlDreamer but I will wait until I get the definitive list of the questions Swinburne want to ask of the data before getting back to you. | 07:10 |
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| * perlDreamer will be around :) | 07:10 | |
| andyiomoon | I can see it is all regex-ified... so we will most likely need someone who can turn a bunch of questions like "what is the average length of time a person spends in a program?" into a regex expression | 07:11 |
| andyiomoon | I'm not expecting it to be a trivial task :) | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you can create different bins from the URLs that each person uses, and it tracks how long they spend in the bins | 07:12 |
| andyiomoon | can you assign groups of URls to a single bin? | 07:14 |
| andyiomoon | for example /programs/gad/ and all its children? | 07:14 |
| andyiomoon | perhaps we can talk about this some more when I have the list of Qs they want to ask | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, based on the regexp | 07:16 |
| andyiomoon | cool | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | are the nippers and the boffins treating you well? | 07:17 |
| andyiomoon | heh - yes, both groups are behaving themselves | 07:19 |
| andyiomoon | I trust the same can be said of you | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, kids went back to school and I am surviving so far | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy also went back to school | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | now that her classes have little to do with general nursing, I'm less tense | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | she carries around sharp pointy things from time to time | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm very attached to the integrity of my skin | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | there's not much chance that she'll do a pelvic exam on me | 07:21 |
| andyiomoon | hah - not much chance sounds entirely like too much of a chance for my comfort! | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, hopefully at this stage in her training she knows that those with copious amounts of chest hair have "outdoor plumbing", which don't require pelvic exams | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | if not, I'll try to tell her before it gets too uncomfortable | 07:24 |
| andyiomoon | nice to have a backup plan at least | 07:24 |
| andyiomoon | and on that rather interesting note I shall bid you adieu... chat soon | 07:24 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r006c27f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.8 development. - http://bit.ly/eD2Aqc | 07:35 |
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| buu | Ah-ha | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, buu, you've found us. | 07:43 |
| buu | ^_^ | 07:45 |
| buu | More people to stalk | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you have WebGUI questions, perhaps? | 07:45 |
| @scrottie | oh, piss. | 07:45 |
| @scrottie | hey, buu, get a haircut. | 07:46 |
| buu | Hey, your hair is longer than mine | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but scrottie rocks the 'hawk, so we permit it | 07:48 |
| buu | Hey now, my hair is pretty rocking | 07:48 |
| buu | Although honestly I haven't shaved in weeks so I'm more rocking the homeless bum thing | 07:48 |
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| carogray | Is there a way to change a bunch of URL's automatically? | 15:19 |
| carogray | That is if we posted a book - Each page layout is something like income-benefits/tafdc-advocacy-guide/ch1/q1-eligibility | 15:19 |
| carogray | income-benefits/tafdc-advocacy-guide/ch1/q2-do-i-qualify | 15:20 |
| carogray | income-benefits/tafdc-advocacy-guide/ch1/q3-denials | 15:20 |
| carogray | and each main article on these pages is the same URL as the page layout, but just has -article at the end i.e. income-benefits/tafdc-advocacy-guide/ch1/q1-eligibility-article | 15:21 |
| carogray | Then the following year we want to stick in income-benefits/tafdc-advocacy-guide/ch1/q2-how-do-i-apply and then renumber ...q2-do-i-qualifyto ...q3-do-i-qualify, and ...q3-denials to ...q4-denials both on page layouts and articles - is there some macro or other way to do this? | 15:24 |
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| +bartjol | carogray: sorry I wouldn't know, I don't think so, allthough you might wanna run a test with edit branch, that is closest at the moment | 16:19 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r2208864 / (4 files in 4 dirs): rfe #12016 for the top story as well - http://bit.ly/gTniCe | 18:11 |
| buu | Hey, quick question if anyone wouldn't mind, I've got a default install set up, with an empty top menu (I didn't choose to create a default set of pages), but when I create a new 'article' it shows up 'inside' the index page and has no entry in the menu? Does this mean it's somehow a child of whatever the index page is? How can I see this relationship and how do I create articles that show up in the nav? | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | articles are default not shown in menu's | 18:14 |
| buu | bartjol: I saw the option for 'hide from navigation', but I disabled that | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | you have to choose no there | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | ok | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | depending on the navigation template, different levels are shown | 18:15 |
| buu | Right | 18:15 |
| buu | I just created a new wiki, it has 'Hide From Naviation? [no]' | 18:16 |
| buu | But no menu entry.. | 18:16 |
| buu | bartjol: It's like I'm creating these entries as children of that other page? | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | you can check that in the asset view (via the admin console | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | there it is shown which object is which object's child | 18:17 |
| buu | assetManager? | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | that one | 18:17 |
| buu | They appear to be children of 'Home' | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | and did you check the navigation/menu? | 18:19 |
| buu | What about it? | 18:19 |
| buu | I 'cut' and 'pasted' them into the top level | 18:19 |
| buu | 'Root' I guess | 18:19 |
| buu | But still a sadly empty menu. | 18:19 |
| buu | OH | 18:20 |
| buu | I take it back! | 18:20 |
| buu | I'm missing background images.. | 18:21 |
| +bartjol | ok, well good luck, I really have to go, but other people prolly will help too | 18:21 |
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| buu | Now I've got 9000 things in my menu haha | 18:23 |
| neil___ | I currently have ver 7.9.18 installed , is it possible to 'upgrade' to 7.10.7 beta? | 18:28 |
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| @preaction | neil___: not presently, no. you have to wait until 7.10 goes stable, then there will be an upgrade path | 19:00 |
| neil___ | Any idea how long of a wait? | 19:03 |
| @preaction | well, 7.10 won't stable until 8.0 goes beta, and that's most likely this summer | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | slog slog toil toil | 19:05 |
| @preaction | unfortunately, our releases got messed up since 8.0 got delayed by a bit. 7.10 was supposed to stabilize in jan/feb here | 19:05 |
| neil___ | Can a beta get updated with a newer beta version? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 19:07 |
| buu | preaction: Hey, do items always get created as a parent of whatever page I happen to be on? | 19:08 |
| @preaction | most likely yes, except for some very special circumstances | 19:08 |
| @preaction | everything is an Asset in webgui, so everything goes in the Asset tree | 19:09 |
| buu | preaction: And the index page is an Asset named Home | 19:10 |
| @preaction | right, which is set in the settings ("Default page") | 19:10 |
| buu | By the by, is there a suggestion someplace for a 'news' type page? Is it just a newsletter? | 19:10 |
| @preaction | i would do a Collaboration System, that thing is pretty much any type of threaded messaging system, Forum, Blog, even FAQ or weird stuff | 19:11 |
| @preaction | there's a News template for it as well | 19:11 |
| buu | Hrm | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | There's also the Story Manager | 19:13 |
| buu | What's the difference between Collaboration System and "Message board"? | 19:14 |
| @preaction | which may or may not be more complicated than you need. | 19:14 |
| @preaction | Message Board holds a bunch of Collaboration Systems for the individual "Forums" | 19:14 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:14 | |
| buu | Oh | 19:14 |
| buu | How recursive | 19:15 |
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| sandraqu | Hello. Do any of WebGUI have a WebObject that creates a book format with numbered chapters and subchapters? Else, is there a way to dynamically add numbers? | 19:53 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.org/user_guides <- we've used the wiki to do it, but the organization is all manual | 19:54 |
| @preaction | you could use a Collaboration and/or a Message Board depending on how deep you want to go | 19:54 |
| @preaction | Folders and Articles would work as well, using a custom template to number the items | 19:55 |
| @preaction | but unfortunately, nothing super simple | 19:55 |
| @preaction | oh, Thingy could do it as well, but getting a nicely-formatted result for the visitors might be a bit tricky | 19:56 |
| sandraqu | Thank you. Let me try another angle. | 19:56 |
| @preaction | i'd probably go with Folders and Articles myself | 19:56 |
| @preaction | i wanted to make a nice docbook-oriented system for webgui, but time and time and time is time and time | 19:57 |
| sandraqu | I know I can add custom fields. Can I add a custom field to the Editing window and put a number there... call the number in the URL? | 19:57 |
| buu | Hrm. | 19:58 |
| @preaction | not if i think i know what you're saying: use a custom field for "Chapter/Subchapter" like "1.1.17", and then have the URL automatically use that number? | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | Is my question clearly worded? | 19:58 |
| buu | What's the relation between /data/webugi/www and /data/webgui/domains/domain.com/public | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | @preaction, yes | 19:58 |
| sandraqu | via a variable that is | 19:59 |
| @preaction | buu: /data/webgui/www/extras is shared between all sites. /data/webgui/www/uploads is the base that gets copied to /data/domains/www.domain.com/public/uploads | 19:59 |
| @preaction | then www.domain.com/public/uploads is used to upload files to that site | 19:59 |
| buu | preaction: Well I just noticed the captcha system was creating files in /data/webgui/www/uploads/temp | 20:00 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: no, but webgui will build a URL based on the title or menu title if one is not supplied | 20:00 |
| @preaction | buu: hmm... you should make sure your uploadsPath in the config file is set to the /data/domains/.../public/uploads directory | 20:00 |
| buu | Ohh | 20:01 |
| buu | You're right, thanks. | 20:01 |
| sandraqu | Is there a way to add hidden field values into a page that i could search for? hidden tags? | 20:03 |
| sandraqu | as a way to incorporate the chapter number, and be able to search for it. | 20:05 |
| @preaction | sandraqu: yes, you could add it to the "keywords" field on the metadata tab, or you could put it in the title or synopsis fields, all will get added to the search index | 20:05 |
| sandraqu | :) grand. | 20:05 |
| sandraqu | thank you. | 20:09 |
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| buu | Hrm. | 20:18 |
| buu | preaction: Can I somehow insert a nav element into a forum/messageboard? | 20:18 |
| @preaction | the Redirect asset is pretty good for simply adding nav elements in whatever place you want | 20:19 |
| buu | My mind is blown | 20:19 |
| @preaction | otherwise, you'll probably have to look at the Navigation's settings on how it looks up what assets to include | 20:19 |
| @preaction | it gets pretty hairy pretty quickly, not all assets want to be in nav, nav has to fetch and instance the asset which takes time and can affect page responsiveness, etc... | 20:20 |
| buu | preaction: Well I mean, when I'm looking at an individual forum there's no breadcrumb | 20:21 |
| buu | Like forums > board > thread | 20:21 |
| @preaction | oh, make your breadcrumb nav Show Hidden Pages | 20:21 |
| buu | Er, do I have a br.. | 20:21 |
| @preaction | unless you don't have one yet, then you'll need to make a new nav. the Designer's guide probably has more information about how to build navs | 20:22 |
| @preaction | as it's complex, and CMs never have to really do it | 20:22 |
| buu | I'll go read that | 20:22 |
| buu | heh | 20:22 |
| @preaction | it's something like "Start Point: Relative to Root, +1", "Include: Ancestors, Self", Template: Breadcrumb | 20:22 |
| @preaction | and that reminds me of just how long it's been since i've actually USED a webgui site, much less built one. too busy in the code | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's shocking sometimes isn't it? | 20:24 |
| buu | Hah | 20:25 |
| buu | preaction: Well I mean, I've got a top-nav, at the top.. | 20:25 |
| * buu messes | 20:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | buu, by default, Posts and Threads are hidden from navigations | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, think what a top-level dropdown would look like! | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so, just enable it in your crumb and all will be well | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you can see an example of that in the WebGUI forums on webgui.org | 20:26 |
| buu | perlDreamer: Well, I created a crumb type nav, I think | 20:28 |
| buu | But how do I get it to show up someplace? | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | You use an AssetProxy macro to drop it into a style template | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you have the Collaboration System use that style template | 20:29 |
| buu | So do I need to edit the template or can I do that from the gui? | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | The recommended way to edit the style template is through the GUI | 20:31 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r7c9d086 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t : Tests for the new topic template variable - http://bit.ly/hqmBaD | 20:48 |
| @preaction | okay, so the matrix memory problem is probably the view method of a MatrixListing, but I can't see anything in there that looks completely insane except for building both the form and the table then only using one of them | 20:50 |
| @preaction | that's not 150M, and i can reliably get the process to use 150M more by viewing any matrix listing | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | is it building tons of assets in memory? | 20:51 |
| @preaction | nope, no assets at all. just form fields and storage locations | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that doesn't make any sense at all | 20:52 |
| @preaction | well, it gets its parent, but no other ma... maybe the matrix is the hog | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if it was the matrix, wouldn't it happen on every page view? | 20:53 |
| @preaction | nope. matrix can do everything it wants to without tanking memory | 20:53 |
| @preaction | yeah, i was just verifying, not assuming ;) | 20:53 |
| @preaction | when your assumptions get proven wrong as often as mine, you learn to never assume | 20:53 |
| @preaction | and there's another one. matrixlisting view, 150M jump... it doesn't seem to matter WHICH listing is being viewed, so it's at least consistent | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | check the comments | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe somebody dumped 150M of comment spam into it | 20:55 |
| @preaction | nope, comments are pretty standard | 20:55 |
| @preaction | looks like i'm pulling a copy of cmsmatrix and reproducing locally... drat... | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | watch, cmsmatrix won't be the problem | 20:57 |
| @preaction | no, it is. i've been watching via server-status and top | 20:57 |
| @preaction | after top reports a memory jump, server-status reports the last request for that PID as a matrix request | 20:57 |
| @preaction | remind me to write a blog post about this debugging process ;) | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I will | 20:58 |
| @preaction | in fact i'll start keeping notes right now, if at least for internal uses | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | can you use something like classLoadTest and have it print out Memory used and asset size for each asset in addition to load times? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | as of right now, no | 21:04 |
| @preaction | but that would be awesome | 21:04 |
| @preaction | let me drag up my old perl memory debugging informationses | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | when do URLs have to be encoded? | 21:04 |
| @preaction | before display to the user, so either in the template or in the template vars | 21:05 |
| @preaction | i'd say in the vars. you're more likely to need to encode URLs than you would decode to do something fancy | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes this <a href="url">url</a> kind of difficult though | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've seen constructs like that in our templates | 21:06 |
| @preaction | heh. yeah that would be a problem... | 21:06 |
| @preaction | but that'd be a problem either way | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's unencoded, then you do <a href="<tmpl_var url ESCAPE="URL">"><tmpl_var url></a> | 21:07 |
| @preaction | right, but then you need to ... i guess for MOST urls, escaping isn't a problem. the browser can DTRT unless it's an HTML special char in there like > or " | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 21:08 |
| @preaction | so for our default template set, we can remember to ESCAPE="URL", but for custom templates, doesn't matter if the designer remembers until there's a problem | 21:09 |
| @preaction | why is url being used as a link in this instance? no title or menu title to go on? | 21:09 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't remember | 21:09 | |
| @preaction | that'd be ideal, no urls as links. most browsers have ways to select a url and right-click to go to the page | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate URI | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate UTF-8 | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate Session/Url.pm | 21:23 |
| @preaction | no, tell us what you really think | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I like that Auburn won :) | 21:24 |
| @preaction | and memory settings seem completely different on OS X kernel... don't know why i didn't expect that... | 21:28 |
| @scrottie | did someone say memory? feed the output of Devel::Gladiator to Devel::Size and sort that. | 21:29 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm looking at Devel::Arena. i just need Total Memory Usage Before, and After | 21:29 |
| @scrottie | Devel::LeakTrace? | 21:32 |
| @scrottie | that installs custom ops that track where in the program memory was allocated, helping you find leaks even if the data moves around. | 21:32 |
| @preaction | i don't think they're leaks, i think it's actually being used correctly, it's just too much | 21:32 |
| @scrottie | right, but same principles apply. | 21:33 |
| @preaction | i suppose. i'll build this stuff into classLoadTest.pl and see what i can see see see | 21:33 |
| @scrottie | if it were a leak, you'd have (probably) lots of small scalars all created in the same place. in this case, you might have a few large scalars. | 21:33 |
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| @preaction | so if i'm correct, Devel::Size/Devel::Gladiator will give me the actual size of the stuff being used, not the amount allocated that appears in RES in top, right? | 21:38 |
| @preaction | well, i suppose i could TIAS | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | TIAS? | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yaeh | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | "actual size" is the amount of water displaced by your DIMM when you put it in a measuring cup. | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | Devel::Size reports how much was requested from the memory allocator. | 21:40 |
| @preaction | is that while it's powered and used? do electrons displace volumes of water? | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | that doesn't include waste as a result of quick-fit over best-fit optimizations in the allocator, fragmentation, and so on. | 21:41 |
| @scrottie | run enough electrons through water and you get oxygen and hydrogen =) | 21:41 |
| @preaction | ooh, and then BOOMs! i like it | 21:41 |
| @scrottie | something like for(1..1_000_000_000) { push @a, 1; pop @a; } will gobble up bunches of memory. Devel::Size reports this correctly. | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | electrons have measurable volume | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just that the little buggers are so repulsive that you can't get them close enough together to measure lots of them | 21:47 |
| * perlDreamer goes to lunch | 21:49 | |
| @preaction | okay, i am now far over my head: keeping the same session open for every request in classLoadTest caused memory numbers to go up up up until they'd reset -200k and start over, so i decided to do all the individual work of one test in a forked child | 22:15 |
| @preaction | which gives me the results i expect, but that's a shitty method: do something until you get the results you expect? wtf am i? an intelligent-design advocate? | 22:15 |
| @preaction | https://gist.github.com/775041 <- anyone have some time to check this out and see if i'm wacked in the noggin? | 22:16 |
| @preaction | total_size( walk_arena ); segfaulted every time, probably because i keep getting a warning about Attempt to free unreferenced scalar: ... at Log::Log4perl::Logger.pm line 92 | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | yeah, you can't copy anything you find in the arena. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | my $x = is right out. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | it's fickle. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/membitch.pl.txt # example | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | esp you want to skip things with REIFY, without REAL, that are SPECIAL | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | for your purposes, you want to skip references, too. | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | er, wait. we're talking about different things. | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | I saw segfault and blamed Gladiator. | 22:23 |
| @preaction | yeah, most likely it's Devel::Size complaining | 22:24 |
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| @scrottie | hrm. yeah. Devel::Size isn't going to pinpoint where the memory is going in this case anyway... | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | it'll just confirm that your session is really big, or isn't. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | still, that should be the most stable of the lot. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | why not Devel::LeakTrace? | 22:26 |
| @preaction | oh, now that i fork it would do what i wanted at child END | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | anyway, that's probably a perl core bug. | 22:27 |
| @preaction | Devel::LeakTrace doesn't detect i have a glib installed, because OS X doesn't have glib-config. let's see if macports's glib2 will work | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | hrm. right. | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | Devel::Leak might be easier. | 22:29 |
| @scrottie | and it lets you set your low water mark and then check it at will. | 22:29 |
| @preaction | er.. make that glib1 | 22:29 |
| @preaction | ooh, that sounds promising | 22:29 |
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| @preaction | new hotness: spectre binds to 127/32, but appears to come from a random IP attached to eth0. one of 6 IPs. which are not defined by a single CIDR | 22:58 |
| Haarg | usually it would come from whatever ip corresponds to the sitename, but if sitename resolves to 127.0.0.1 it should always come from the loopback | 23:04 |
| @preaction | yeah, i added all the hostnames to /etc/hosts resolved to 127.0.0.1, no change | 23:05 |
| @preaction | i should probably check resolv.conf | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the memory thing? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | dunno, this is phone support | 23:08 |
| @preaction | host.conf says hosts,bind, so it checks /etc/hosts first | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | ignorant question. if I have a bunch of articles in a folder or whatever other sort of container, and each has different permissions for who can view it, is there an easy way to include links of whichever of them the current user can see onto another page? | 23:10 |
| @preaction | a navigation would do it | 23:10 |
| @preaction | navs check permissions, unless you tell them not to | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | waiter, one navigation! with extra caramel sause! | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | I swear I'll read the Content Manager's Guide one day soon. | 23:11 |
| * perlDreamer copies that down for future reference/blackmailing | 23:12 | |
| buu | So do 'page layouts' automatically include all their children? | 23:15 |
| buu | Unless you hide them.. | 23:16 |
| @preaction | right | 23:17 |
| buu | Hrm | 23:19 |
| buu | "You're attempting to remove a vital component of the WebGUI system. If you were allowed to continue WebGUI may cease to function." ! | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | bad buu! | 23:20 |
| buu | Why is /home so vital? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | put that asset back where you found it | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | In the settings, it's the Default Asset | 23:20 |
| buu | You mean the one that appears if you go to / ? | 23:20 |
| @preaction | yeah | 23:21 |
| @preaction | you cant' remove it until you change the Default Page to something else | 23:21 |
| buu | Ah | 23:21 |
| @preaction | same with the Not Found Page | 23:21 |
| buu | preaction: It's kind of annoying because everything goes under /home *and* home is one of those pesky things that just displays a giant list of everything in it | 23:22 |
| buu | I guess uh | 23:22 |
| @preaction | you could organize the site into subsections | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | put something else under /home. the URL doesn't have to bare a resemblence to the asset heirarchy. | 23:22 |
| buu | Yeah... | 23:23 |
| buu | Interesting | 23:24 |
| buu | preaction: So I have the top-nav configured to do "descendents under specific url: /home" but the first link in the nav is a button that says "Home" that links to / | 23:25 |
| buu | Wait | 23:25 |
| buu | I take it back =] | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey tavisto! | 23:27 |
| @tavisto | hey perldreamer | 23:36 |
| * perlDreamer has been drooling over a Verizon iPhone | 23:37 | |
| @tavisto | CDMA only. junk | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | if I can afford to go overseas, I'll buy another one :) | 23:37 |
| @tavisto | no, meaning slow 3g until you have to buy a new LTE phone | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, in that case, I'll wait until the 4G comes out | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or, I'll get an android | 23:38 |
| @tavisto | yeah it's unfortunate. If they had thought ahead and not been greedy (but it's apple) they could have put in a SIM card slot and LTE uses them | 23:39 |
| @tavisto | making it possible to be upgradeable | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | it would still need the newer, more expensive radio. | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | radios are small | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | and covered by crazy numbers of patents. | 23:45 |
| @tavisto | yeah, that goes without saying :) | 23:49 |
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| buu | How fast is cdma? | 00:01 |
| sbaur | the non-simultaneous voice and data is the deal breaker for me... | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | depends on your location/signal strength. Most people see 750k-1.5mb | 00:02 |
| @tavisto | well beyond that.. there's no upgrade path from cdma. You are stuck until you get LTE service. However with AT&T there is HSPA 7.2 and then HSPA+ which is capable of 14mb 3G service | 00:03 |
| @tavisto | then of course LTE once they deploy it | 00:03 |
| Haarg | cdma is shitty but there are lots of areas around here where at&t has no coverage at all | 00:08 |
| Haarg | so until that changes verizon or us cellular are pretty much the only options for me | 00:09 |
| @tavisto | yep and that's the issue with AT&T they don't have as as much 3G coverage. However, that's been changing pretty quickly.. even here in Michigan. My parents had the same problem and had no real broadband internet options.. So I got them a mifi2200 on verizon and they get around 2Mb consistently.. A close tower with low demand obviously. I was impressed | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I think I'm going to punt on the idea of making a "url_for" like method for Session/Url | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I either get UTF-8 url-encoded when I don't want it | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | or I get unsafe characters leaking through | 00:27 |
| Haarg | can you review the problem quick? | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | If the base method is used from Plack::Request, it returns a URI object | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | if you shove UTF-8 into that, it url-encodes it by default | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no simple way to turn it off | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so, that leaves you the option of url-decoding the output of $uri->path | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | however, gateway takes an optional pageUrl argument which can contain unsafe characters | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that you don't want decoded | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | while encoding will take a list of characters for encoding | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't get to the one inside Plack::Request | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and decoding (unescaping) does them all | 00:31 |
| Haarg | is it just utf8 characters that you want unencoded? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the current thing that's causing tests to fail. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | however, I'm finding that everything I try breaks some other test downline that also does UTF-8 testing with URLs | 00:32 |
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| Haarg | well, a few thoughts. leaving utf8 stuff unencoded should probably work, but could cause problems with old browsers. HTML::Template can't do the encoding. | 00:37 |
| Haarg | places where people want to display the url in unencoded form are probably out of luck unless there are separate variables for that. | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | We don't encode UTF-8 currently | 00:38 |
| Haarg | have you tried the ->as_iri method on the URIs? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that gives you the entire uri, instead of only the path | 00:39 |
| Haarg | probably yes | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | URI is a funny class | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a blessed scalar | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | which is the URL | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | anytime you do an operation on a part, it breaks it down with a regex, does the operation, the reassembles | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | consequently you can't override or subclass a method without having to rewrite the whole thing | 00:42 |
| Haarg | why is that? | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, suppose I wanted to override path to not encode its incoming arguments | 00:42 |
| scrottie0 | stupid aqua-xchat. | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to duplicate the internal, gnarly regex for breaking the string into parts | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | which doesn't sound like fun for maintenance | 00:43 |
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| Haarg | i'd probably need to see an example of what you are trying to do and how it is failing to help much. even if doing everything through URI doesn't work it shouldn't be hard to make something that accomplishes roughly the same as uri_for | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I had earlier, except you didn't like it? | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it avoided using URI completely | 00:48 |
| Haarg | not quite | 00:48 |
| Haarg | let me see if i can find the conversation. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of calling make_urlmap_work, it called $session->request->base->path | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and then appended the pageUrl to it | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that way, that part of it is never escaped/unescaped or handled by URI | 00:50 |
| Haarg | well, there's basically two parts to this. first is getting the requested url. | 00:53 |
| Haarg | if you just use $request->path, does that cause any problems? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what it does now | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | no problems | 00:55 |
| Haarg | then, for generating urls, make_urlmap_work seems like shouldn't be needed | 00:59 |
| Haarg | my first thought is to try to use URI for url manipulation, but if that isn't going to work i don't see a problem with doing it ourselves. | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll revert back to what I had earlier. Then maybe you could review it again and look for holes | 01:04 |
| Haarg | sorry for throwing things out there without explaining more. if there's ever stuff like that isn't clear feel free to ignore me. :) | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you actually did a pretty good job of explaining, just stuck between WebGUI historical behavior and URI behavior | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but yeah, the sitename stuff should have been a separate ticket | 01:08 |
| * perlDreamer is off to pick up kids from school, more URLing later today | 01:37 | |
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| buu | Man | 03:25 |
| buu | This is really cool | 03:26 |
| buu | Hey, random question since I haven't gotten to it in my readings yet, but is there a way to disable to "Your post has been submitted, please click here to go back to the website" type pages, especially for forums? | 03:47 |
| @scrottie | sure. monkey-patch www_editSave. | 03:50 |
| @scrottie | or subclass assets. | 03:51 |
| @scrottie | but no! wait, there's a better offer! | 03:51 |
| buu | Why scrottie, what's behind door number 3?! | 03:53 |
| @scrottie | pass proceed=viewParent or goBackToPage to editParent or else the name of a www_ method (without the www_ bit on it) and it'll do that... er, but the stock www_editSave doesn't do that message. | 03:53 |
| @scrottie | which asset are you using? | 03:53 |
| buu | Um. Collaboration system? | 03:53 |
| @scrottie | looks like Story.pm, Post.pm, WikiPage do this... | 03:54 |
| @scrottie | and Photo.pm | 03:54 |
| buu | "Your post has been received and is being processed so it can be added to the site. Please be patient." | 03:55 |
| buu | Is that Post.pm? | 03:55 |
| @scrottie | use WebGUI::Asset::Post; *WebGUI::Asset::Post::www_showConformiation = *WebGUI::Asset::Post::www_view; ... in /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom | 03:56 |
| @scrottie | nonono. no raw perl in preload.custom. hrm. | 03:56 |
| @scrottie | i18n/English/Asset_Post.pm has that message, and that's the i18n for Post.pm, so looks like it. | 03:57 |
| @scrottie | and it looks like that's used form www_showConfirmation. | 03:57 |
| @scrottie | you could probably copy and edit a template and then tell that instance of that asset to use that template instead, and have the template do something else other than func=showConfirmation | 03:58 |
| @preaction | i think www_editSave specifically goes to showConfirmation | 03:59 |
| @scrottie | yeah. edit sets an isSubscribedToCs (I have no idea) template variable that contains a hidden form of proceed=showConfirmation. | 03:59 |
| buu | Oh that's icky | 03:59 |
| buu | Link to webgui page? | 04:00 |
| @scrottie | so edit the template, drop use of isSubscribedToCs and replace it with <input type="hidden" name="proceed" value="view"> | 04:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, because anything in proceed= that doesn't match a set of predefined vars is guessed is a www_* method | 04:00 |
| buu | scrottie: That is quite scary. | 04:00 |
| @scrottie | the edit form tells the thing what to show the user. | 04:00 |
| @scrottie | I eat scarier things on my cheerios. | 04:01 |
| @scrottie | oh, I misread this. isSubcribedToCs is something different. form.header is the proceed hidden form. | 04:02 |
| @scrottie | someone used tabs. indenting fooled me. | 04:02 |
| @scrottie | I am stupid enough that I am routinely duped by 7 bit characters. | 04:03 |
| buu | scrottie: So essentially I would just have the template auto-redirect to the page instead of showing a form? | 04:03 |
| @scrottie | hmm? I don't think so. The edit form has a hidden field that tells WebGUI what to show the user after the form submits. | 04:03 |
| buu | Also what's with /data, why not /usr or /usr/local or something | 04:03 |
| @scrottie | the form still goes to www_editSave, but then www_editSave kicks the user somewhere else. | 04:04 |
| buu | scrottie: Ohhh | 04:04 |
| buu | scrottie: So I pass a different value to editSave which says 'instead of showing confirm, go here' | 04:04 |
| @scrottie | "historic reasons". ie, it's JT Smith's fault. | 04:04 |
| @scrottie | right. | 04:04 |
| buu | And on a similar train of thought, if I wanted to modify what buttons my 'rich text editor' shows I assume there's just a template for that someplace I mess with? | 04:05 |
| @scrottie | good question. | 04:05 |
| @scrottie | maybe Doug can answer it. | 04:05 |
| @preaction | the Rich Editor configuration is an asset, actually. in Settings, under UI, there are two rich editor settings | 04:05 |
| buu | Right | 04:06 |
| @preaction | Collaboration and some other user-facing edit forms have the same kind of settings | 04:06 |
| @preaction | but it's a Rich Edit asset that does the configurating | 04:06 |
| @scrottie | if you have shell on the machine hosting this, get the wgd utilility. you can wgd edit <url|assetId> and it'll fire up $EDITOR on the thing. | 04:06 |
| buu | ! | 04:06 |
| buu | Nice! | 04:06 |
| @scrottie | haarg.org/wgd I think it is | 04:06 |
| @preaction | yeah, WGDev on github | 04:06 |
| @preaction | i think it's on cpan too | 04:06 |
| buu | scrottie: I spent about a month writing something fairly similar to webgui once | 04:06 |
| buu | And that was the first thing I wrote | 04:06 |
| Haarg | not on cpan | 04:06 |
| @scrottie | buu: I think a lot of people have, and I think that makes it hard for us to look at other people's versions. I had a CMS called "webwanker" and then a library called "TransientBaby". the latter was functional rather than OO. the former was... well, it's a whole story. | 04:08 |
| @scrottie | I should stop and look at EverythingEngine one of these days too. | 04:08 |
| buu | Heh, I've been wanting to rewrite the everythingengine ever since I first saw chromatic's(?) post about profiling perlmonks and how an average page was using like 200 sql queries | 04:08 |
| @scrottie | heh. | 04:09 |
| @scrottie | ahem. | 04:09 |
| buu | scrottie: I've spent the last couple of weeks messing with plone actually | 04:09 |
| buu | I like the design, but doing *anything* requires editing like 5 different xml files | 04:09 |
| buu | It's literally mind blowing | 04:09 |
| @scrottie | mindblowing good or mindblowing bad? | 04:10 |
| @scrottie | someone was ranting to me about Zope once, and how it exposes everything via RPC. that inspired me to write Acme::RPC. | 04:10 |
| @scrottie | when Doug isn't looking, I'm doing to add that to WebGUI. | 04:10 |
| @preaction | this doesn't look like a bad idea at all | 04:11 |
| buu | scrottie: *bad* | 04:11 |
| @scrottie | it's a TERRIBLE idea! | 04:11 |
| buu | Haha, I meant plone | 04:11 |
| buu | But yes, your world of Acme is also scary | 04:11 |
| buu | preaction: Anyway I'm looking at settings > ui > rich text editor | 04:12 |
| buu | But I don't see anyway to actually touch that asset | 04:12 |
| buu | Unless you meant just via asset manager.. | 04:12 |
| buu | Also why doesn't the asset manager have a search =[ | 04:13 |
| @scrottie | I gave Haarg a patch for wgd to dump everything in a pretty ASCII tree view but I'm not sure what came of that. | 04:13 |
| @preaction | buu: it does, look in upper-right above table | 04:14 |
| buu | OH | 04:14 |
| buu | That's too eas | 04:14 |
| buu | y | 04:14 |
| buu | preaction: You know what would be really useful? Someway to see an asset's parent from inside the asset edit page | 04:14 |
| @scrottie | buu, you should check out WebGUI8 from github and run that instead. | 04:15 |
| buu | Oh, should I? | 04:15 |
| buu | Will it explode and make fairies come out my nose? | 04:15 |
| @scrottie | I'm wagering a guess there. Perhaps you actually do want something more stable. | 04:15 |
| @scrottie | Yes. | 04:15 |
| Haarg | i think i was being overly purist about things and also lazy and didn't include it. i should look for that again and try to put in. | 04:15 |
| @preaction | oh jeez, just kill him too why don't you? | 04:16 |
| buu | Well, stability isn't *that* high on my list of attributes.. | 04:16 |
| buu | scrottie: Give me a pitch, why do I want this webgui8 instead? =] | 04:17 |
| @preaction | 8 isn't quite... usably stable | 04:17 |
| buu | I do actually need to use it at some point | 04:17 |
| @scrottie | it hasn't been around long enough for us to start hating it yet? | 04:17 |
| buu | -_- | 04:17 |
| buu | haha | 04:17 |
| @preaction | pfft, speak for yourself :p | 04:18 |
| @scrottie | because you're more likely than the average user to be annoyed by the same thing we were annoyed at and Doug fixed. | 04:18 |
| buu | I'll buy that | 04:18 |
| @scrottie | and backwards compat isn't a concern for you. | 04:18 |
| buu | But my nose can't handle that many more fairies | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | and you'll have better odds at getting things to work that get hung up for some reason. | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | you might not want to snort this dust then. | 04:19 |
| buu | Where's the link anyway? | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | thought I'd put that out there. also, it would be pretty cool to have you submitting fixes for WebGUI8. selfish motive. | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | github.com/plainblack/WebGUI, WebGUI8 branch | 04:19 |
| buu | And did anyone answer my question about /data/ | 04:20 |
| @scrottie | yes. "historic reasons. IE, JT's fault" | 04:20 |
| buu | Ohh | 04:21 |
| buu | Didn't realize what that was in response to | 04:21 |
| buu | Uh oh, I'm entering the land of plack. | 04:28 |
| buu | Any chance I can run WG8 against my existing test database? | 04:34 |
| @scrottie | it should go. WG8's database should be the same as a recent 7.x | 04:35 |
| buu | Oh. Cool. | 04:35 |
| buu | scrottie: Have you seen" http://search.cpan.org/~sakoht/UR-v0.19/lib/UR/Manual/Overview.pod | 04:36 |
| @preaction | actually 8.0 requires a pretty extensive upgrade, but there's an upgrade script | 04:37 |
| @scrottie | " it is possible to query for an object by specifying the class and the matching characteristics" ... that sounds familiar. | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | there's a lot of talk in here about how large parts of WebGUI could be replaced by even larger parts from else where. | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | nope, haven't seen that. | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | right. upgrade scripts. wgd is handy there too. | 04:38 |
| buu | I don't know much about Ur but noticed the upload and it seemed surprisingly sane and coherent | 04:43 |
| @preaction | huh, it does look interesting | 04:47 |
| @preaction | not sure what UR::Command is though | 04:50 |
| @scrottie | I'd like to eventually see web apps getting away from using the database as essentially their RAM. | 04:51 |
| @scrottie | and, for that matter, other message passing interfaces. that's so 1970. | 04:52 |
| * scrottie sighs | 04:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie, it's only going to get worse | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the next step is to use non-relational databases | 04:55 |
| @scrottie | one of the Ruby VMs knows how to transparently share objects between processes. | 04:55 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer, worst of both worlds! brilliant! | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | look at it this way | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll never have to complain about MySQL again! | 04:56 |
| @preaction | you'll welcome mysql compared to some of those things :p | 04:56 |
| buu | hey now, I am a devout prophet of the church of the mongodb | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | is mongodb open source? | 05:00 |
| buu | yes | 06:56 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:46 |
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| +bartjol | bopbop: I got you mail, I hope to remember my laptop tomorrow, the I can send you the file/files | 17:04 |
| @bopbop | great - thanks bartjol | 17:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | dang it, is skype all jacked up again? | 17:54 |
| @preaction | maybe? anything is possible | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | well, that's ok, I don't use skype | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to use skype, it's the only way to see video of Emma and Huub | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | well, I think when I ask Koen he'll show me | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you have yet another advantage over me | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | eeh, proximity to Koen? | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | not only that, but it's probably much easier to get stroopwaffeln | 18:26 |
| sbaur | sounds yummy | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | stroopwafels | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | but they are good | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep using german pluralization | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | yeah, well we were almost german | 18:32 |
| sbaur | then you thought better of it :-) | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | it wasn't my decision, I like beer and bratwurst | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | german or dutch? | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | german | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | is your house finished now, bartjol? | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | no, not yet | 18:37 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd9c192 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Codearea.pm : form headTags only exists in 7.10 and higher. - http://bit.ly/gSItpG | 18:37 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: persuant to our conversation last friday about the php float bug: http://blog.andreas.org/display?id=9 | 19:41 |
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| @preaction | continuing my adventure from yesterday, the arena doubles in quantity after calling www_view on matrix listing. comparing the actual contents of the arena is proving slow. there's 1,000,000 records to compare against 500,000. i think maybe once i find a match in one, i should remove it... | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it builds lists of MatrixListings | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, limit => 1 | 20:28 |
| @preaction | layout has the same increase, so it has to be the contents... | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | could it be the gnarly SQL? | 20:29 |
| @preaction | no, but i could think of some optimizations i could make | 20:31 |
| @preaction | i just don't want to do anything until i can test what my optimizations DO | 20:31 |
| @preaction | http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/09/git-cheat-sheet.html <- ooh prutty | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | very nice! | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | can we put it on TGC and get hardcopy? | 20:34 |
| @preaction | probably, it is CC | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's 3 years old! | 20:35 |
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| scrottie0 | git: The Board Game! Amaze your friends with conflicts! Surprise everyone with force pushes! Revert patches people have edited! Go for the show stopping three-way-merge! | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | You rolled a 5, you will have to rebase your commit and manually merge :( | 21:30 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to track down a memory issue. how can i get a unique ID for an object? some objects overload stringification, others overload + so I can't do 0+$obj to get the memory location. | 21:33 |
| scrottie0 | B. my $sv = B::svref_2object($i); | 21:34 |
| @preaction | danke | 21:34 |
| scrottie0 | $$sv should be the memory address of the thing then. | 21:34 |
| scrottie0 | no problem. always eager for a chance to lure people into the dark corners of Perl's VM where they can be beaten and molested. | 21:35 |
| @preaction | even though a stringification run seems to have spit out an even worse glut of information, difficult to decipher... | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what about running it through the debugger and watch memory concurrently? | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you could write a small test to manually instance the right asset from the db | 21:35 |
| @preaction | i mean, do i need to care how many undef SVs are in there? or how deep the references to undef are? | 21:35 |
| @preaction | ah, i could compile the entire list and let Data::Dumper sort out the duplications | 21:37 |
| @preaction | and say whatever you will about perl, hash lookups are fast | 21:40 |
| @preaction | 1 million, 2 seconds | 21:40 |
| scrottie0 | you can bless stashes into themselves and populate them with closures. | 21:41 |
| @preaction | hooray for logging taking the place of debugging. i now have a million lines of logfile to look through to find out why something failed... | 22:36 |
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| @preaction | and this logfile has random numbers with no labels. wonder what they mean... | 22:52 |
| @preaction | on to spectre issue: the lo interface is getting all the spectre traffic, but webgui still thinks spectre is coming from an IP on eth0. how does that work? | 23:17 |
| @preaction | doing wget sitename/?op=spectreGetSiteData shows wget connecting to 127.0.0.1 and returns the correct data, no errors | 23:20 |
| @preaction | netstat -nl shows spectre is bound to 127.0.0.1, but it shows apache is bound to [::]:80, does that include all ipv4 addresses? does that include 127.0.0.1? | 23:23 |
| scrottie0 | you can't make connections from [::]:80. that's listening, I'm sure... listening on all IPs. | 23:24 |
| scrottie0 | spectre does incoming and outgoing... it's perfectly possible for it to be listening on 127.0.0.1:whatever but then make outgoing connections from another IP. | 23:24 |
| @preaction | right, listening, i just remember a freebsd problem where [::] did not include 0.0.0.0 | 23:24 |
| scrottie0 | what does ifconfig for lo0 look like? | 23:25 |
| @preaction | but why only on this system? | 23:25 |
| @preaction | full ifconfig: https://gist.github.com/776914 | 23:26 |
| scrottie0 | dunno. if0 not configured or configured strange, or has a metric or ... | 23:26 |
| scrottie0 | RX bytes:2604272447 (2.4 GiB) TX bytes:2604272447 (2.4 GiB) # well, it is being used... | 23:26 |
| scrottie0 | iptables doing something funky...? | 23:27 |
| scrottie0 | spectre is trying to contact 127.0.0.1:80, right? | 23:27 |
| @preaction | it's trying www.example.com:8081 | 23:28 |
| scrottie0 | 127.0.0.1 isn't routable... you can't connect to a real IP address from it. so the thing will try to use a real IP address. | 23:28 |
| scrottie0 | 127/8 is only useful for talking to 127/8 on. | 23:29 |
| @preaction | but only if that lookup gives a real IP. the lookup gives 127.0.0.1 | 23:29 |
| scrottie0 | oh. split horizon? or hosts? | 23:29 |
| @preaction | hosts | 23:29 |
| @preaction | side-note: changing the config file, without restarting the server, removes spectre's ability to talk to the server | 23:30 |
| @preaction | but configs are cached in memory for the duration of the process | 23:30 |
| scrottie0 | hrm. www.whatever.com generally should't map to 127.0.0.1... I think that's considered bad. | 23:30 |
| scrottie0 | shouldn't | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | on the server, it's a very good idea | 23:31 |
| scrottie0 | maybe /etc/nsswitch.conf is telling it to resolve first, try hosts.txt second. | 23:31 |
| scrottie0 | but it confuses certain nntp clients! | 23:31 |
| @preaction | nope, hosts is first, bind second in nsswitch.conf | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | since that way it won't reach out through firewalls and proxies to get back in touch with itself | 23:31 |
| * perlDreamer stops quibitzing and goes to pick up the kids | 23:31 | |
| scrottie0 | ... like it is trying to do now. | 23:31 |
| @preaction | but only when spectre is doing it, not wget simulating what spectre does | 23:32 |
| scrottie0 | I'd have to look at code... and put debug statements into code... | 23:32 |
| @preaction | god that's even weirder. config is being reloaded automatically, no restart required. | 23:33 |
| @preaction | oh well, it's working, i've got scripts that will add the right subnets, and i can't debug this deeply as i already wasted two days on these little issues. | 23:34 |
| scrottie0 | oh, spectre uses POE. I keep forgetting that fact. | 23:34 |
| scrottie0 | I was looking for a connect() call. | 23:34 |
| scrottie0 | blame POE. | 23:34 |
| @preaction | sounds good to me | 23:35 |
| @preaction | i don't mind bad behavior as long as it's predictably bad... | 23:35 |
| @preaction | just give me predictably bad, i don't ask for much | 23:35 |
| scrottie0 | hrm. ip travels pretty sanely from the config file, to create_ikc_client into POE::Component::IKC::ClientLite into connect() in there to IO::Socket::INET | 23:38 |
| scrottie0 | no point me inserting debug statements on my non-problematic system. | 23:44 |
| @preaction | i'd put money on it being some feature of the xen-ified kernel | 23:53 |
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| scrottie0 | ooooooh. | 23:59 |
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| andyiomoon | perlDreamer - are you about? | 00:34 |
| scrottie0 | "* perlDreamer stops quibitzing and goes to pick up the kids" | 00:35 |
| scrottie0 | maybe an hour ago? no timestamps here. | 00:35 |
| andyiomoon | thanks Scott... perlDreamer, when you get back can you pop into our Skype conversation re Swinburne RCT work... thanks mate | 00:38 |
| SDuensin | Off topic, but is anyone here a BASH expert? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction is very bashy | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but just ask, SD | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe one of us amateurs can help | 00:41 |
| SDuensin | Why does this script stop iterating through files and directories when it runs 'vcs-1.12.2.bash' (also a BASH script)? http://pastebin.com/kTNTQG9y If I comment out that line, it echos as expected. | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | vcs-1.12.2.bash never returns | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | aka stops executing | 00:42 |
| SDuensin | Why does it replace my current bash process? | 00:42 |
| SDuensin | I've tried pre-pending the line with "bash " as well as making it a ( subprocess ) with no luck. | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | you invoked it when you ran it | 00:42 |
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| SDuensin | So calling a bash script from another bash script is going to terminate the caller? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it starts a child process | 00:44 |
| SDuensin | Right. | 00:44 |
| scrottie0 | does your bash process vanish from ps? or can you just not get back to it? | 00:46 |
| scrottie0 | echo $$; ./annoying_command (in another window, ps -ax and look for whatever pid) | 00:46 |
| SDuensin | Let me try and explain what it's doing... | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | Say I have a folder full of other folders named A, B, C... | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | In each of those are videos named 1, 2, 3... | 00:47 |
| SDuensin | If I run my script against the parent, it'll create contact sheets (vcs = video contact sheet) for A/1, B/1, and C/1. It ignores all the others. | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | Which, IMHO, is really f'ed up. :-) | 00:48 |
| SDuensin | Anybody? Anybody? Bueler? | 01:02 |
| scrottie0 | sorry, I cannot relate that question to bash. actually, that description doesn't contain a question. | 01:03 |
| SDuensin | It goes along with the pastebin I posted. | 01:04 |
| scrottie0 | just a guess, but when you run it, then wait a minute, and then in another window type 'top', is bash at 99.9% CPU? | 01:05 |
| SDuensin | Nope. Most I see is 3%. | 01:06 |
| scrottie0 | no idea. rewrite it in perl? | 01:06 |
| SDuensin | lol | 01:07 |
| scrottie0 | how about ruby? | 01:08 |
| SDuensin | Seems to have something to do with the return code of the called script. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | something is blocking inside the vcs thing | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | like, it's waiting for STDIN | 01:10 |
| SDuensin | No, it doesn't hang. It just quits. | 01:10 |
| Haarg | what is its exit value? | 01:11 |
| SDuensin | I'm not entirely sure. My script never gets control again. | 01:12 |
| SDuensin | It's behaving as if I used "exec" to run the child script. | 01:12 |
| scrottie0 | afk a bit | 01:15 |
| Haarg | try running it on the command line then checking $? | 01:15 |
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| * perlDreamer concurs with the delegate from Wisconsin | 01:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is the vcs script | 01:19 |
| SDuensin | Right, but there should be a way to launch it and not care what happens after that. | 01:20 |
| @preaction | fork? | 01:20 |
| SDuensin | Maybe. Now I'm finding things on Google that say not to do "ls" in a bash script. | 01:22 |
| SDuensin | My bash-fu is weak. | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't want to make a script that recurses and forks a process for eachone | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be a small fork-bomb | 01:32 |
| SDuensin | At this point, I don't really care. I'm about ready to do that. | 01:35 |
| @preaction | it could fork and wait | 01:35 |
| SDuensin | The 'vcs' task takes some time to execute. | 01:35 |
| SDuensin | Fork & wait is the next try. | 01:37 |
| SDuensin | YES!!!!! | 01:38 |
| SDuensin | That works! Thank you! | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | now to wait 4 more hours as a TGC order rebuilds to figure out why certain pages don't get generated, with no errors, and no useful log output | 02:45 |
| @preaction | yay | 02:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | pages? | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | boards? | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | card oages | 02:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, Norma, a Moose friendly ORM | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | uses load to grab stuff from the db | 03:23 |
| buu | Oh I was going to make an amusing comment about relational databases | 03:36 |
| buu | They remind me of very early computers | 03:37 |
| buu | They're pretty cool and obviously powerful, but we can't use them yet | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | dinner time, bbl all | 03:40 |
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| scrottie0 | relational databases are *great* for reporting on structured data. too bad no one ever does that any more. | 03:45 |
| buu | scrottie0: Well I mean, like, it feels like asm programming | 04:56 |
| buu | Sure it's cool and all, but we could do so much more with a compiler | 04:56 |
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| buu | Hrm | 09:29 |
| buu | testEnvironment is failing on trying to install Net::Twitter.. | 09:29 |
| buu | Oh, how amusing. | 09:35 |
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| buu | Somehow namespace::clean got broken. | 09:35 |
| buu | Also something is missing a dependency on UUID::Tiny | 09:39 |
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| buu | Also uh | 09:50 |
| buu | I can't create assets under wg8, heh. | 09:50 |
| buu | Also I can't access assets that are under root | 09:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | dang, the DOE and now the House of Representatives are now moving over to Drupal | 18:03 |
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| +bartjol | Rory know drupal | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, Rory knows drupal, and Obama knows drupal | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | does that mean that Rory knows Obama? | 18:24 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 18:42 | |
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| +bartjol | almost | 18:44 |
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| scrottie0 | yarrrrr. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | ahoy, scrottie0 | 19:55 |
| preaction | arrr matey! | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | well shiver my keyboard, if it isn't me old matey preaction | 19:58 |
| preaction | ahh ya scurvy sea-dog, hars da family? | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I shipped them off to one of those schools this morning an' the ships been quiet ever since | 20:00 |
| preaction | har! dere be da way to do it! | 20:00 |
| preaction | also, i'm going to rape and murder the person who wrote this code. fair warning, if any of you get called to testify at my trial, THEY HAD IT COMING | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no matey, we were sailing out on the Monona that day | 20:01 |
| scrottie0 | aye, let the little buccaneer pillage someone elses galley. | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember it well | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | clear skies, but ice in the riggin' | 20:01 |
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| * sbaur wonders when talk like a pirate day moved to January | 20:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, miss, but with your accent yer a bit hard to understand | 20:02 |
| scrottie0 | lessie jimlad... me thinks it began when rum became a breakfest beverage | 20:02 |
| @preaction | i don't need me rum when i got me coffee! tis truly the devils drink! | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | aye! Keeps the eyes poppin', the stomach churnin' and it'll clean stains off yer plates and decks | 20:03 |
| * preaction wonders who thought to make a file with a guid name instead of an ordered incremental meaningful name | 20:06 | |
| +perlDreamer | what're ye talkin' about? | 20:06 |
| @preaction | imagemagick.<timestamp>.<pid>.mpc <- seriously? SERIOUSLY? | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you said the words "imagemagick" and some associated positive adjective. Those things don't go together. | 20:07 |
| @preaction | these intermediate files for TGC, I can leave them around to test whyt he PDFs aren't being made from them, but I can't reproduce exactly the PDFs because I don't know the order of the files, the order is lost | 20:07 |
| @preaction | so another rebuild. another 3 hours lost. | 20:07 |
| @preaction | day 3 | 20:07 |
| * preaction might just be a little frustrated with this | 20:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | these files wouldn't be in /tmp would they? | 20:07 |
| @preaction | they're the ones in /data/games/tmp | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, okay | 20:08 |
| @preaction | they're all there, but only some of the PDFs were made from them | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | there's that cron job to clean up older image magick files in /tmp | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but it only deletes those that are older than 4-6 hours, iirc | 20:08 |
| @preaction | so now i'm just gonna try making the PDFs, and see why some fail. i imagine it won't matter what pdf is being built and/or what it contains | 20:09 |
| @preaction | lucky for me, i made a script that would scan a dir and make a pdf of all the files (made pdfs of my comic book^W^Wgraphic novels for my ipod) | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | now you can read your comic books while you wait? | 20:14 |
| @preaction | no, someone stole my iphone | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | did you replace it? | 20:17 |
| @preaction | nope, can't afford another iphone. since i bought the iphone4 a few months ago to replace my 3gs that broke, they won't give me the upgrade/discount price, so even the least expensive iphone is $300 | 20:18 |
| @preaction | so PB bought me a little cheap samsung phone that runs java everything. not a bad phone, but not an iphone or android or anything cool | 20:18 |
| @preaction | however, it has got me interested in samsung as a phone company, the Galaxy S looks awesome | 20:18 |
| scrottie0 | how's the 3gs? is it just the broken screen that's the problem? if so, I think those can be replaced inexpensively. | 20:22 |
| @preaction | i tried to replace the screen and broke the LCD, it's done | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 20:22 |
| scrottie0 | eep. | 20:22 |
| @preaction | i mean, i suppose i might be able to get it repaird, but it'd be far more expensive now. at the time, i figured it was less expensive than upgrading (which was like $200 for the upgrade price) | 20:23 |
| @preaction | or if not less expensive, at least i'd have the upgrade, right? | 20:23 |
| @preaction | replace the LCD, probably $100. for twice as much, i have a whole new nicer phone. | 20:23 |
| scrottie0 | the Chinese iPhone knock-offs that run WinCE are strangely compelling to me... mostly because it would be a tool to piss off Apple loyalists. | 20:29 |
| scrottie0 | they can be had from about $76. | 20:29 |
| scrottie0 | if you're good at keeping a straight face, take one of those into the Genius Bar for help. | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, if you run WinCE you have to shave your head | 20:31 |
| scrottie0 | even if I'm running it ironically? | 20:31 |
| @preaction | especially if you're running it ironically | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | technically, for just mentioning it you should get a haircut | 20:32 |
| scrottie0 | I do have split ends. | 20:32 |
| @preaction | doesn't Herbal Essences help against those? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I liked it better when we talked like pirates | 20:34 |
| buu | perlDreamer: I don't know if this is useful, but ATT had refurb 3gs phones on their site for pretty cheap | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | might help preaction more than I, but thanks for the pointer! | 20:36 |
| buu | er | 20:36 |
| buu | preaction: ^ | 20:36 |
| buu | I WAS TRYING. | 20:36 |
| buu | 7\4 | 20:36 |
| buu | And that would be my cat. | 20:36 |
| @preaction | 7 shillings 4pence? | 20:36 |
| @preaction | A VERY MERRY UNBIRTHDAY TO YOU | 20:36 |
| buu | o.O | 20:36 |
| buu | preaction: So I tried running sbin/upgrade on my 8.0.x install, but naturally it claimed there was no upgrade path | 20:37 |
| buu | Is there anything else I need to run? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to upgrade from an older version of 7.10 | 20:37 |
| @preaction | yeah, that | 20:37 |
| buu | er | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | look in share/upgrade/.... | 20:37 |
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| buu | 7.10.4-8.0.0 ? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's it | 20:38 |
| buu | My mind is blown | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's alpha code, and I'm behind in merging things from 7.10 | 20:38 |
| buu | How do I tell what version I'm even on? | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | or, Admin -> Statistics from the Admin Console | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | or, look in the source of a page from the site for the generator meta tag | 20:39 |
| buu | Ah | 20:39 |
| buu | Good to know | 20:39 |
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| buu | perlDreamer: So it says 7.9.19, do I need ot upgrade to 7.10 then upgrade to 8? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and no | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't upgrade from 7.9.19 to 7.10 yet | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no upgrade path | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | buu, that extended silence isn't due frustrated sobbing, is it? | 20:44 |
| buu | perlDreamer: Scrottie totally told me to! | 20:44 |
| * scrottie0 sighs | 20:44 | |
| buu | Haha, I was looking for my x-wing book | 20:44 |
| scrottie0 | last time I touched it, it was running off of current 7.x databases. that was a while ago, it seems. | 20:44 |
| buu | Anyway, I don't have any data in the 7.9 install anyway, I can just replace it | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | ya, just go straight to a 8.0 | 20:45 |
| scrottie0 | er, there was an upgrade path from it. | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie0, you can go from 7.10.4 to 8.0 | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can't go from 7.9.19 to 7.10 | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you either had to go earlier (when 7.10 branched) | 20:45 |
| scrottie0 | 7.10.4 comes with a database dump, I assume, but does 8.0? | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or you have to wait for the 7.10 to go stable | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 8.0 comes with a dump, too | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | same procedure for building a new site with it | 20:46 |
| scrottie0 | okay, buu doesn't have any data in there yet, so use a different database name and run both side by side. | 20:46 |
| scrottie0 | or serially, at least. | 20:46 |
| scrottie0 | muck with 8, give up, go back to 7, etc. | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | you could run 8 inside a VM | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but, if all you want to do is tinker, you can use the appliance, or a demo site | 20:47 |
| buu | perlDreamer: with create.sql? | 20:47 |
| @preaction | yeah, i think 8 has too many problems to use right now. we haven't even made sure all the assets actually work, which just shows our test coverage is lacking | 20:47 |
| @preaction | yes, share/create.sql | 20:47 |
| * perlDreamer is wounded | 20:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | ... not enough tests | 20:47 |
| * perlDreamer steps off to iron his hands | 20:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | Dobby, give me that iron, will ya buddy? | 20:48 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: not for our lack of trying, but i'm still coming across code added after our "test everything protocol" that do not have tests | 20:48 |
| @preaction | you want the 5-iron or the 3-iron? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | TEP was suspended in october 2009 | 20:48 |
| @preaction | wait, what? | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | for irons, whichever one comes with autostarching | 20:51 |
| buu | preaction: So, on a scale of 1 to WindowsME, what is the likelyhood of 8.0 blowing up and killing my entire family? | 20:52 |
| scrottie0 | how large is your family, and do any of them live overseas? | 20:53 |
| @preaction | I'd say it's about a Vista on that scale, prettier, much prettier, but clearly needs some polish before it was forced on unsuspecting users. it's fine if you don't have to support really weird stuff, but if you do you might end up killing somebody | 20:53 |
| buu | preaction: Well, it's a brand new install with very vanilla requirements | 20:54 |
| buu | And I'm willing to sacrifice a lot of goats for pretty | 20:54 |
| scrottie0 | if I add an IRC asset really quick, the chances of buu fixing bugs in WebGUI8 radically go up. | 20:54 |
| buu | haha | 20:54 |
| buu | So very true | 20:54 |
| buu | Man, if I could post assets from IRC | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: bug post "buu needs IRC badly" | 20:55 |
| perlbot | perlDreamer: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [buu's website] | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: buu's website | 20:55 |
| perlbot | perlDreamer: http://www.feminist.org | 20:55 |
| buu | o.O | 20:55 |
| buu | perlbot: revisions buu's website | 20:56 |
| perlbot | buu: [3435 by perlbot: buu's website is http://www.feminist.org] | 20:56 |
| @preaction | hah | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yargh pink burns my eyes! | 20:56 |
| buu | You know, something that has continued to confuse me is that 'company url' in the setup screens | 21:04 |
| buu | Is that just for display in the footer? | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's for quick and easy use on the site | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's exposed via a macro, so you can change it in 1 place and have it change everywhere on the site | 21:05 |
| buu | perlDreamer: I guess the intention is for people using webgui as a small component of a large company site | 21:06 |
| buu | ? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you could use it as a whole company site | 21:06 |
| buu | Sure | 21:06 |
| buu | But that's why the url confuses me | 21:06 |
| buu | Heh | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | laziness | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want to handcode http://www.mycompany.com everywhere? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or just do ^c; | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | or is that ^u; ? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, ^u; is URL | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ^c is company name | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and ^e is default contact email | 21:07 |
| buu | haha | 21:10 |
| buu | perlDreamer: Um. How do I get plack/starman to tell me more details when it fails to find a file? | 21:10 |
| buu | As in GET /uploads/12/14/1214f00781409cb64f9fe7ed75edfd68/bg.gif HTTP/1.1" 404 | 21:10 |
| @preaction | the webgui log might have more info | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | well, uploads is supposed to map to a directory like /data/domains/www.mycompany.com/public/uploads | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so 1) Check the uploadsPath entry in the config file | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) check that the file permissions allow starman to see that file, and make sure it exists | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | stooopid skype! | 21:12 |
| buu | I have "uploadsPath" set | 21:13 |
| buu | Maybe it's not using this config file? | 21:13 |
| buu | It'd be nice to see where it's looking | 21:13 |
| buu | Oh, hrm. | 21:14 |
| buu | Is there anyway to change the template after the site has been installed? | 21:17 |
| @preaction | which one? and yes of course | 21:17 |
| @preaction | oh, the style template? | 21:17 |
| buu | Yeah | 21:17 |
| buu | The original "which style do you want to use" | 21:17 |
| @preaction | what you want to probably do is Edit Branch when on the home page, that will let you recursively edit some stuff, like style template | 21:17 |
| buu | preaction: Well the problem is, I think, I had a missconfiguration so it failed to write the correct template files into uploads/ | 21:18 |
| @preaction | that Edit Branch shows up in More menu on the Tree view in the Admin (8) or in the Asset Manager | 21:18 |
| buu | So I'm trying to get it to re-do that op | 21:18 |
| @preaction | templates aren't files, they're in the DB | 21:18 |
| buu | preaction: Well, I'm missing the /uploads/foo/bar/12312312312312/bg.gif | 21:18 |
| @preaction | if uploads is missing something, you can re-copy from /data/WebGUI/share/uploads (in 8) | 21:18 |
| buu | Oh, uh | 21:19 |
| buu | OH | 21:19 |
| @preaction | or, it may be that it was part of the upgrade. the create.sql that's included with 8 isn't ... really... 8.0.0, it's more... 7.10.4 (iirc) | 21:19 |
| buu | Oh, nope. | 21:20 |
| @preaction | create.sql is created by our release process, but 8.0.0 hasn't been released | 21:20 |
| buu | preaction: My log has a bunch of 2011/01/13 14:07:08 - ERROR - sc2gg.conf - WebGUI::Storage::_addError[107] - Couldn't create storage location | 21:20 |
| buu | Which was a permission error | 21:20 |
| @preaction | ah | 21:20 |
| buu | I'm assuming that was part of the template thing | 21:20 |
| buu | (Because I'm missing files like bg.gif) | 21:20 |
| @preaction | maybe, most likely | 21:20 |
| * buu re-runs | 21:21 | |
| scrottie0 | uploads should get copied into your webroot, and the webgui.conf should point to the copy in there, if I'm not mistaken. | 21:22 |
| @preaction | yep | 21:22 |
| buu | preaction: Also as a minor note I'm pretty sure I chose 'don't add additional templates' but I got an about-us page anyway | 21:23 |
| @preaction | oh, there are pages that are in there by default | 21:23 |
| @preaction | and then theres others that can be added | 21:23 |
| @preaction | that whole wizard thing needs a re-look, the dichotomy is: it's a 1-time feature, but it's the most visible to new users | 21:24 |
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| buu | preaction: Yep | 21:27 |
| buu | Certainly it's the part I've seen the most | 21:28 |
| @preaction | yeah, but once your site is running, it's absolutely useless, you'll never see it again | 21:28 |
| buu | Hrm, nope, no bg images | 21:28 |
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| buu | I'm using plackup -E development -s Starman --workers 10 --disable-keepalive app.psgi | 21:29 |
| buu | Where would my errors show up? | 21:29 |
| @preaction | do you have wgd? try to use "wgd reset -b" to restore | 21:29 |
| @preaction | they'd show up in the webgui.log, if anywhere | 21:29 |
| @preaction | and as development, they'd show in the debug console maybe | 21:29 |
| buu | preaction: in log.conf? | 21:30 |
| @preaction | yeah, log.conf describes where webgui.log will be | 21:30 |
| @preaction | also, make sure log.conf is at INFO level, not ERROR level, you'll get better error messages | 21:30 |
| @preaction | or at least, more of them, so you can feel like you've got better ones | 21:30 |
| buu | heh | 21:31 |
| buu | You mean the log4perl.logger = ERROR, mainlog should be INFO? | 21:31 |
| @preaction | yep | 21:32 |
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| @preaction | log4perl is nice, but it could be a little less incomprehensible to configure sometimes... | 21:32 |
| buu | Hrm, no output | 21:32 |
| buu | It's creating a log file.. | 21:32 |
| * buu mutters | 21:32 | |
| buu | Let me go get wgd | 21:33 |
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| buu | Ack | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good tell, install it while you're working on wgd | 21:39 |
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| buu | perlDreamer: I installed wgd and windows crashed | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | windows? | 21:42 |
| buu | Also what is WEBGUI_CONFIG supposed to point to? | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the whole path to a WebGUI config file | 21:42 |
| buu | oh | 21:42 |
| buu | Hrm | 21:42 |
| buu | Well it worked just specifying the local name | 21:42 |
| buu | =] | 21:42 |
| Haarg | wgd intro has a decent summary of the config/root/sitename options | 21:43 |
| buu | For this, you | 21:43 |
| buu | can either use the "WEBGUI_ROOT" and "WEBGUI_CONFIG"/"WEBGUI_SITENAME" environment variables, setting the | 21:43 |
| buu | Oh wait, it did actually answer that question, I just skimmed over it | 21:43 |
| buu | ^_^ | 21:43 |
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| buu | Augh, I has no image files. | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, almost ready to merge and push "gateway" changes | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll know after lunch | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 21:48 |
| @preaction | more yay: the pdf files i'm creating are succeeding, but they fail reliably with the other process doing exactly the same thing. | 21:51 |
| @preaction | which mean i get to rewrite the other process, as i've wanted to do since it was written the first time... | 21:51 |
| buu | preaction: I'm going to do try a complete re-do of the install process using wg8, do I follow the exact same steps as the source install excepting the apache stuff? | 21:53 |
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| @preaction | should work, yes, but you're the first | 21:54 |
| @preaction | well, maybe second | 21:54 |
| buu | -_- | 21:54 |
| @preaction | no wait, THIRD! | 21:54 |
| buu | I just want my pretty underground style pictures. | 21:54 |
| @preaction | wgd reset -b not work? | 21:54 |
| buu | Sadly no | 21:55 |
| @preaction | hrmph | 21:55 |
| buu | No errors or anything, but the files didn't get created | 21:56 |
| @preaction | hells bells | 21:56 |
| buu | I might have had a configuration error someplace, I copied some of the files from my wg7 install | 21:56 |
| @preaction | oh, right, you need -b --config | 21:56 |
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| buu | preaction: Super basic git question, but once I clone it I just need git checkout --track -b webgui8 origin/WebGUI8; right | 21:58 |
| @preaction | i think so yes. looks right at least | 21:58 |
| buu | hehe | 21:58 |
| buu | Well I have an app.psgi and stuff | 21:59 |
| @preaction | yep, that'll be it | 21:59 |
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| buu | preaction: Is "uploadsPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/uploads" supposed to be the 'global' webgui www/uploads | 22:06 |
| buu | Or domains/site/public/uploads | 22:06 |
| @preaction | the domains/site one | 22:06 |
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| buu | Oh my god this config file goes on forever | 22:08 |
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| @preaction | yeah, yeah it does. Morpheus might eventually help us with that | 22:10 |
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| buu | preaction: When I run plackup ...; how does it know which site.conf file to use? | 22:14 |
| buu | Does it use all of them somehow? | 22:14 |
| buu | Is that what the 'domain' setting is for, vhosting? | 22:14 |
| @preaction | app.psgi uses WebGUI::Path to find and load all the config files | 22:14 |
| @preaction | well, WebGUI::Path to find the place, WebGUI::Config->loadAllConfigs to load all the conf files | 22:15 |
| @preaction | each config is then loaded using share/site.psgi | 22:15 |
| buu | preaction: But when I visit foo.com:5000; which conf file is that using? | 22:15 |
| @preaction | sitename in the config file | 22:15 |
| buu | preaction: You mean the config file that has foo.com as a sitename? | 22:15 |
| Haarg | yes | 22:15 |
| @preaction | yep | 22:15 |
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| buu | Okily dokily | 22:15 |
| Haarg | if it doesn't match one of the sitenames, it uses the first config file it found | 22:15 |
| buu | I've done a clean check out, created my db users, run create.sql, added a new conf file, run spectre, copied some upload directories around... | 22:16 |
| Haarg | you need to run the upgrade too | 22:17 |
| buu | ! | 22:17 |
| buu | Wait waht | 22:17 |
| Haarg | create.sql and such aren't updated until there is a release | 22:17 |
| @preaction | create.sql is made during a release, but 8 hasnt' been released, so create.sql is one version behind | 22:17 |
| buu | RAWR | 22:17 |
| plainhao | so the release of wg8 is this summer? | 22:19 |
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| buu | preaction: So what do I run to upgrade? | 22:19 |
| @preaction | that's the plan, subject to change | 22:19 |
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| @preaction | buu: cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl upgrade.pl --doit | 22:19 |
| @preaction | i think | 22:19 |
| buu | Oh | 22:19 |
| buu | Right | 22:19 |
| @preaction | we have a new upgrade system, dunno if the script takes the same args or not | 22:20 |
| buu | Upgrades complete. | 22:20 |
| @preaction | did it do something? | 22:20 |
| buu | preaction: Wait, should I run upgrade before or after I run through the 'new site wizard', or does it matter | 22:20 |
| Haarg | upgrade script takes basically the same args as the old version | 22:21 |
| @preaction | shouldn't matter | 22:21 |
| buu | And yes, it gave me a bunch of stuff | 22:21 |
| @preaction | ok, then you should be good to go | 22:21 |
| * buu goes | 22:21 | |
| buu | I'm selecting [style] underground.. | 22:21 |
| buu | No thanks Page Builder | 22:22 |
| buu | And still no images! | 22:22 |
| buu | http://erxz.com:5000/uploads/12/14/1214f00781409cb64f9fe7ed75edfd68/bg.gif | 22:22 |
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| buu | Nothing particularly interesting is showing up in the log.. | 22:24 |
| @preaction | does that path exist in domains/public/uploads? | 22:25 |
| buu | Nope | 22:25 |
| buu | I have a webgui/www/uploads/12/14/1214f00781409cb64f9ff7ed75edfd68/bg.gif | 22:25 |
| buu | (Which isn't the same string) | 22:25 |
| plainhao | is there a todo list for wg8? | 22:26 |
| @preaction | plainhao: http://webgui.org/8 yep | 22:26 |
| plainhao | thanks, preaction | 22:26 |
| @preaction | wtf, it varied by one character? | 22:26 |
| buu | Yep | 22:26 |
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| buu | f9fe -> f9ff | 22:27 |
| @preaction | that a hex of a hash, built from the base64 of the hash | 22:28 |
| buu | preaction: Is this file supposed to be existing in www/uploads or is it created at runtime somehow? | 22:28 |
| @preaction | it should exist as-is | 22:28 |
| buu | Well | 22:28 |
| @preaction | a WebGUI::Storage is created, given a guid, the guid is stored in the database as base64, and then hexed to get the disk location because base64 fails on case-insensitive filesystems | 22:29 |
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| buu | And the path in the underground.css is static? | 22:31 |
| buu | So can you check if background: #FFF url(/uploads/12/14/1214f00781409cb64f9fe7ed75edfd68/bg.gif) repeat-x; in underground.css matches your upload dir? | 22:31 |
| @preaction | it shoul dbe a ^FileUrl macro, when you view the snippet | 22:31 |
| buu | Oh | 22:31 |
| @preaction | i'm gonna check some things myself quick too | 22:32 |
| buu | I can give you access to this install if you want | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | not yet, mine works, so there has to be a difference | 22:34 |
| @preaction | huh. mine doesn't work either. exacty the same output | 22:35 |
| buu | =] | 22:36 |
| @preaction | and we did change how we made GUIDs... | 22:37 |
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| buu | Oh my | 22:39 |
| buu | This admin thingy is hiny | 22:39 |
| @preaction | danke | 22:39 |
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| buu | preaction: Except the 'main' window displaying the actual page is like 200px high | 22:40 |
| @preaction | Haarg: got a minute? the base64 -> hex has changed, so uploads dirs don't line up anymore | 22:40 |
| @preaction | buu: yeah, i haven't tested it in anything except Chrome, so there's probably some fun problems w/ the JS/CSS | 22:41 |
| Haarg | give me a minute. working on fixing a wgd problem. | 22:41 |
| @preaction | np | 22:41 |
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| buu | preaction: <div id="viewTab" class="" style="height: 100%;"><iframe name="view" src="/home"></iframe></div> | 22:43 |
| buu | (I added the height:) | 22:44 |
| buu | And it fixed the problem | 22:44 |
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| @preaction | k, i'll merge that (and test on some of the other browsers too) | 22:44 |
| @preaction | is that FF? | 22:44 |
| buu | Yep | 22:45 |
| buu | preaction: You might need a height: 100%; on the #wrapper .yui-content {} block as well | 22:46 |
| buu | I had to add it to both of those | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | k, i'll try | 22:47 |
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| Haarg | preaction, my wgdev problem turns out to have been using an old version. looking at hex encoding now. | 22:48 |
| buu | Anyway, I need to go pick people up, I shall return. | 22:48 |
| @preaction | i'm checking it too, comparing against the old code, which is almost the same. so much the same... | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | it's URLSafe doing it. | 22:50 |
| Haarg | that's what i would think | 22:50 |
| @preaction | i restore the old tr{} we had, and it works | 22:50 |
| Haarg | but i don't how | 22:50 |
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| Haarg | *know how | 22:52 |
| @preaction | it does something different to + looks like | 22:52 |
| @preaction | it does + as -, we do + as _ | 22:52 |
| Haarg | yeah, it has them reversed from how we do them | 22:53 |
| Haarg | ugh | 22:53 |
| Haarg | my fault | 22:53 |
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| @preaction | no worries. i'll remove it and add tests for future generations | 22:54 |
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| Haarg | would probably be good to have tests to validate how we handle >128-bit guids | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | buu: that push fixed it | 23:01 |
| @preaction | oh, right, height: 100% stuff | 23:02 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rbcb14ea / (lib/WebGUI/GUID.pm t/Session/Id.t): remove MIME::Base64::URLSafe as they do it reversely (+15 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/haWw5w | 23:04 |
| @preaction | ... then why is it still broken... | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | ours is not to reason why... | 23:11 |
| @preaction | ours is but to do and die | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | ah, it was broken because -d does not rebuild the uploads, but -b does | 23:16 |
| @preaction | because most of the time, devs don't care about rebuilding uploads | 23:16 |
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| Haarg | uh, -d does rebuild uploads | 23:19 |
| @preaction | hmm | 23:21 |
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| @preaction | then i don't know. maybe i explicitly had to rm -rf uploads | 23:22 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8ba07e0 / www/extras/admin/admin.css : fix admin view tab height problem in FF - http://bit.ly/eamf3p | 23:29 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * reb16ecb / t/Asset/EMSSubmissionForm.t : Another (probably last) leaky test fixed. (+12 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/hxB1J8 | 23:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: didn't you do this one: http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11720 ? | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | yes, except for what is left in the ticket | 23:45 |
| @preaction | the profilefield api is broken and easily causes death to databases and websites | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like Weasley's wand | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll be sending WebGUI home in a matchbox | 23:47 |
| @preaction | yep | 23:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, now that gateway is done, I'll look into the Basic Auth thing next | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | 3 days later, the problem with TGC is spectre running /bin/cp -R on a directory containing over 4 gigabytes. spectre gets killed after 60 seconds. WHO DO YOU THINK WINS THE RACE? | 23:58 |
| @preaction | that this took 3 days to track down is a testament to how spaghetti this code really is... | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | what's running cp -R ? | 23:59 |
| @preaction | the gameorders workflow activity | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | ugh | 23:59 |
| @preaction | it does everything else in an external process, except for THIS | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Fri Jan 14 2011 | ||
| +perlDreamer | I'm not going to ask why, because it won't matter | 00:00 |
| @preaction | also, i'm assuming, only assuming this is the problem. i just have a better idea that it's this than anything else | 00:00 |
| @preaction | because my test PDF generation worked fine, no errrors. the PDFs are fine | 00:00 |
| @preaction | and i don't even know how to make this a cronjob, i don't | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I can help with that :) | 00:01 |
| @preaction | there's a state machine in here that makes no sense | 00:01 |
| @preaction | in theory, i could just rip the whole thing apart, take execute and make it the main sub in a script, substituting the definition for something else | 00:02 |
| @preaction | ... or i could fork | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | something doesn't feel right | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre shouldn't be killed after 60 seconds | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the job of the activity | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's the http timeout in spectre talking to wG that's the problem? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | 5 minutes then, eventually spectre will die | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | what would happen if i system("nohup cp -R ... &")? | 00:13 |
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| @preaction | it does get backgrounded, but what happens if the apache process dies? | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | can't that part of the process be moved into the cron job? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | or, if it's just the moving, we could put a tag file into the directory | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and then run a 2nd cron job just to move stuff | 00:15 |
| @preaction | i dont' know, seriously this code is completely fucked up | 00:15 |
| @preaction | i mean, in theory, sure, but the debug process is going to take a while | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, 4 hours per whack | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and people complain about running the test suite! | 00:16 |
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| buu | preaction: Hey, what else do I need to do to get the fix besides git pull; and restarting plack? | 00:16 |
| @preaction | worse, there's so much spaghetti here i don't think it'll be just 6 tries | 00:16 |
| @preaction | buu: you might need to wgd reset -b | 00:16 |
| @preaction | how about this? I disable the build process and try to get this one to build until the end of the day. if i can't, i try to fork and daemonize | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | daemonize? | 00:19 |
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| @preaction | remove the process from the terminal, assign it to init, all the stuff that means "i don't get killed when the apache process gets restarted as it always does" | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I think as long as the build team knows that it'll be offline for a while, you can do what you need | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | does zabbix record disk used so we can trend it? | 00:21 |
| @preaction | maybe? | 00:22 |
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| buu | preaction: That appears to have worked | 00:24 |
| @preaction | yay! | 00:24 |
| @preaction | one ounce of sunlight in a long ton of manure | 00:24 |
| buu | =] | 00:24 |
| buu | Is it just me or does plack/starman feel incredibly slow | 00:25 |
| buu | Can I still run it under mp? | 00:25 |
| @preaction | you can run under mp, yes | 00:25 |
| buu | Oh and uh | 00:25 |
| buu | How do I turn admin *off*? | 00:25 |
| @preaction | heh, yeah, about that... | 00:25 |
| buu | =O | 00:26 |
| @preaction | logout will do it, right now the only way is to set adminOff in the database for your session, but the new AC doesn't have an "off", because the new AC is just "when you're in it, you're in admin" | 00:26 |
| @preaction | so as a corner-cutting, i just set admin on, knowing that before 8.0.0 is released, i'll fix that | 00:26 |
| @preaction | logout will set adminOn to 0 in the userSession table for your session | 00:27 |
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| buu | preaction: Can't you have a button that does adminOn=0 in the session then? | 00:30 |
| @preaction | there could be, but as mentioned, it won't matter. there will be no switching of state at all, you're either in the ?op=admin shell, or you're not. it'll be some fancy JS getting into the iframe and doing what it needs to do | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | adding the toolbars and the page object mover things | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | but yeah, you could add an entry to adminConsole in the config file that goes to the url ?op=switchOffAdmin iirc | 00:32 |
| @preaction | there might be one still, in fact | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought we had one of those already? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | yes, but in 8, there is no "mode", so i may have removed it | 00:32 |
| buu | preaction: Hrm. In the admin console, I added a 'forum object' as a child under /home, then navigated to it, then clicked 'add a forum', I get a page load from the browser, but no form to add anything | 00:33 |
| @preaction | check the error log. collaboration is probably broken | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | "can't call method" will be the likely error message | 00:34 |
| buu | WebGUI::Asset::dispatch[699] - Couldn't call method www_add on asset for url: /forum Root cause: Not a WebGUI::Asset class | 00:34 |
| @preaction | that's a new one. why does it think that... | 00:34 |
| @preaction | oh... did class= get passed in the URL? | 00:34 |
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| buu | http://erxz.com:5000/forum?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | buu, try this please | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -wc -I /data/WebGUI/lib /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and see what it says | 00:37 |
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| buu | buu@erxz$ perl -wc -I lib lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm | 00:39 |
| buu | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm syntax OK | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's good | 00:39 |
| @preaction | i'd put money on it being a bad check in www_add | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | that error comes from loadModule | 00:40 |
| buu | Yeah | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the wrong variable name | 00:41 |
| @preaction | oh, right, i changed it | 00:42 |
| @preaction | because it's className everywhere else, and class for www_add | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the opposite of that | 00:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | in www_add it's className, too | 00:42 |
| @preaction | but perhaps the URLs inside WebGUI that use class= aren't changed | 00:42 |
| @preaction | well, it used to be class= | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | it should be className, because that's the db's column and the addRevision property and everything else | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | http://erxz.com:5000/forum?func=add;className=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration <- works better, but i'm not empowered | 00:43 |
| buu | Yeah, if I change to className it works | 00:43 |
| buu | Although I get giant whitespace | 00:44 |
| @preaction | is there a form beneath it? | 00:44 |
| buu | Yep | 00:45 |
| @preaction | i think some of the edit forms add styles that they shouldn't. that's a known bug, but i keep forgetting to document them, which i shall do presently | 00:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: where does it create those URLs? | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | is it it the JS? | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | i think they're either in the template vars, or they're in the template | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | very odd | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | all the URLs look correct to me | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | func=add;className=... | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | buu, if you'd file a ticket for us at http://www.webgui.org/8, we'll look at it | 00:52 |
| @preaction | i already did | 00:53 |
| @preaction | nothing seems to be func=add in the import node either | 00:53 |
| @preaction | nope, there it is, MessageBoard.pm line 150 | 00:54 |
| @preaction | form.add.url | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | er.. forum.add.url | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we should have a method for a class to add itself? | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so we only have to change it 1 place? | 00:55 |
| @preaction | like getUrlAdd or something? | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I just get tired of doing code forensics, trying to hunt stuff down | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | eh, ack is perfect for it, and :grep in vim of course | 00:58 |
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| * perlDreamer is off to pick up kids from school, bbiaw | 01:39 | |
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| buu | wow | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | back | 02:15 |
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| andyiomoon | hola perlDreamer | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | ahoy, sir! | 03:32 |
| andyiomoon | are you seeing my latest Skype comments? | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 03:32 |
| andyiomoon | damn skype at the horse it rode in on | 03:32 |
| +perlDreamer | totally | 03:33 |
| andyiomoon | I see - it has "pending" written next to it | 03:33 |
| andyiomoon | I have posted in our other skype chat window - any luck there? | 03:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have a PM directly from you, but nothing in the group chat | 03:34 |
| +perlDreamer | last message in my group chat is 2:37PM my time, about 3 hours ago | 03:34 |
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| andyiomoon | ok | 03:35 |
| +perlDreamer | did you stop chatting, or are you awaiting an answer? | 03:40 |
| andyiomoon | I stopped chatting | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 03:42 |
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| buu | Is a 'redirect asset' literally just a link to an outside domain | 03:47 |
| @preaction | a link to anything, really | 03:50 |
| buu | What is the "Import Node"? | 04:06 |
| @preaction | it's the place where the default set of images, templates, and css/js snippets goes | 04:07 |
| @preaction | also, /root/import | 04:07 |
| buu | I'm wandering through the designer's guide and " 5. | 04:09 |
| buu | You're done! You now have your workspace created in the Import Node. Put all of your files here. | 04:09 |
| buu | Is it just a convention? | 04:10 |
| @preaction | yeah, if you're in the Tree, you can breadcrumb your way back to root, under root there are "home", "import", "media", and "tempspace". import is the default stuff, and a good place to put your other templates and junk. media is attachments uploaded through the rich editor, tempspace is temporary | 04:10 |
| @preaction | yeah, pretty much | 04:10 |
| @preaction | but it's there, it has to be, system won't let you delete it, so might as well use it | 04:10 |
| buu | Hrm | 04:11 |
| @preaction | over time i want to allow templates on the filesystem instead of only as assets, and then all the default stuff will be files, not assets | 04:11 |
| @preaction | then no need for an import node | 04:11 |
| buu | preaction: I ran into a problem earlier, the actual "site" assets, "about us", "forums", "etc" are all under /home, which is fine, but when you click on the Home button you go to /; which means a new asset you create ends up under /root | 04:11 |
| @preaction | hmm... that must be an 8 issue | 04:12 |
| buu | Well | 04:12 |
| buu | Let me reverify | 04:12 |
| @preaction | / is never /root, only /root is /root, but it's possible that www_add doesn't know what, or that the new URL handling stuff we do with Plack doesn't know what | 04:13 |
| @preaction | it's weird either way | 04:13 |
| buu | I take it back, I can't reproduce it currently | 04:14 |
| buu | I might have messed with it somehow. | 04:14 |
| @preaction | eh, if it happens again, just let us know | 04:15 |
| buu | preaction: I think what I was most curious is how to change what /home displays | 04:18 |
| @preaction | like, what assets are on home? add/remove whatever you'd like. you could also create shortcuts to other pages' assets (the little arrow icon in the toolbar next to most assets) | 04:20 |
| buu | preaction: Well, I mean, by default it displays every single asset under /home right? | 04:20 |
| @preaction | except pages | 04:20 |
| @preaction | if you edit any page, you can hide what's displayed | 04:21 |
| @preaction | and in Admin mode, you can move them around | 04:21 |
| buu | Um. | 04:21 |
| @scrottie | /home is a WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout. this is what you want. be happy. | 04:22 |
| buu | This isn't what I want! I'm not happy! | 04:23 |
| @scrottie | you only don't want it because you can't not have it! | 04:23 |
| @preaction | ahhhh. make something new inside /root, whatever you want, then go to Settings > Content > Default Page, and select your new thing | 04:23 |
| @preaction | whatever that new thing is will be /, and then you can delete the existing /home (and make sure to purge your trash) and call the new thing /home | 04:24 |
| @preaction | but that last bit isn't really necessary | 04:24 |
| buu | Um. | 04:24 |
| @scrottie | there's this WebGUI Content Manager's Guide online that *I* need to read. it explains the reasoning and functioning behind the various types of assets included (and then there's the Developer's Guide should you decide you want to make your own) | 04:24 |
| buu | scrottie: I just read it! | 04:25 |
| buu | Actually | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | really! | 04:25 |
| buu | Yeah | 04:25 |
| buu | I'm working on the designer's guide | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | buu++. | 04:25 |
| buu | scrottie: Honestly 50% of that guide is just repeating an explanation of what all the various check boxes do in the edit pages | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | I'm curious then, what kind of asset do you want for /home? | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 04:26 |
| @scrottie | I'd love to spend some time with those. | 04:26 |
| @preaction | yeah. it's less of a "Here's how you build a website." and more of a "Here's what you can use to build a website." | 04:26 |
| buu | scrottie: At the moment I just want an Article | 04:27 |
| buu | It seems like the basic desire for a website | 04:27 |
| @scrottie | any reason you're opposed to removing everything from the layout and then just adding an article to the layout? | 04:28 |
| buu | scrottie: Well, as I understand it I could A) specifically hide every asset under it, which is lame because I would rather specifically include rather than exclude | 04:30 |
| buu | or B) move the items out from under /home | 04:30 |
| @preaction | er.. you can delete them entirely | 04:30 |
| buu | preaction: But .. I want them! | 04:31 |
| @preaction | only /home itself cannot be deleted, because it's set as your current home page | 04:31 |
| @preaction | ohhh | 04:31 |
| buu | I mean | 04:31 |
| buu | I'm fumbling around here | 04:31 |
| @preaction | ohhhh i think i see now | 04:31 |
| @scrottie | one of the wgd reset options leaves you with a bare /home, if I recall | 04:31 |
| buu | I have /home | 04:31 |
| buu | i want it to be like , "hey, welcome to my site" | 04:31 |
| buu | Then I want /wiki | 04:31 |
| buu | Preferably a child under /home/wiki | 04:31 |
| buu | See what I mean? | 04:31 |
| @preaction | if you make pages under /home, and then put the wiki on the /wiki page, and then a new page for forum and the forum on the forum page | 04:31 |
| @scrottie | you can do /wiki if you want. add the wiki and specify that as it's url in the little control panel thing you get when you edit it. | 04:31 |
| @preaction | that way they are on their own page, so they won't show up on the home page. the page shows up in the navigation, and everybody's happy | 04:32 |
| @preaction | except there's an additional layer in there, but what i don't see can't hurt me | 04:33 |
| buu | preaction: How do I get it to show up in the navigation? | 04:35 |
| @preaction | the new page? it should just happen, it has Hide from Navigation set to false by default | 04:35 |
| @preaction | otherwise that setting is on the Display tab of an asset | 04:36 |
| buu | preaction: Unless I missed something, the nav only shows things under /home | 04:36 |
| @preaction | right, the page should be under /home | 04:36 |
| @preaction | but URL has nothing to do with position in the tree, so the new page could take the /wiki URL | 04:36 |
| @scrottie | wgd reset --clear | 04:37 |
| buu | preaction: Right right | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | wgd reset --help # danger: reloads the database | 04:38 |
| buu | haha | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | er, --help doesn't. | 04:38 |
| @scrottie | wgd does. | 04:38 |
| scrottie0 | should though. | 04:39 |
| * scrottie0 spits | 04:39 | |
| @preaction | it would help, not sure who or what, but someone, somewhere | 04:39 |
| buu | what | 04:40 |
| buu | Anyway! | 04:40 |
| buu | preaction: I missed the part that causes "that way they are on their own page, so they won't show up on the home page" | 04:41 |
| buu | Are you saying I should delete /home then recreate it as a simple article or something? | 04:41 |
| buu | Does /home have any special meaning beyond existing as a default page? | 04:41 |
| @preaction | nono, keep home as a Page Layout, then add another Page Layout underneath home. then add the Wiki onto that new layout | 04:42 |
| @preaction | nope | 04:42 |
| buu | Er | 04:43 |
| buu | When you say 'onto that' you mean as a child? | 04:44 |
| @preaction | yep | 04:44 |
| buu | So /home/foo/wiki | 04:45 |
| @preaction | that will be the actual wiki asset, yep | 04:45 |
| buu | And /home won't display /foo because it's a page layout? | 04:46 |
| @preaction | right | 04:46 |
| buu | Magic! | 04:54 |
| buu | preaction: What if I just make /home a folder | 04:54 |
| buu | And make /home/foo my default page | 04:54 |
| buu | Or maybe /site | 04:54 |
| @preaction | might work | 04:54 |
| @preaction | doesn't matter what default page is, hell that might even be better | 04:55 |
| @preaction | just update your navigation to use the folder as its root | 04:55 |
| buu | Right | 04:56 |
| buu | Tying the nav to the default page seems kinda crude | 04:56 |
| @preaction | it's not, you can change the nav's settings | 04:57 |
| @preaction | it's just the nav that comes with that style template you're using | 04:58 |
| buu | Right | 05:01 |
| buu | But I mean | 05:02 |
| buu | Well, anyway. | 05:02 |
| buu | Oh, hrm. Here's the problem. | 05:52 |
| buu | I made a folder Site; then an article inside Site named 'Index' and set Site/Index to my Default Page | 06:03 |
| buu | So now whenever I create a new item it becomes a child of Site/Index/ | 06:03 |
| buu | Which is .. annoying. | 06:03 |
| @preaction | it shouldn't | 06:04 |
| @preaction | it should become a child of the page you're currently on | 06:04 |
| @preaction | whatever page that is | 06:04 |
| buu | preaction: Well, this is creating the asset on / | 06:04 |
| scrottie0 | that's a terrible name. you should name it mfcisapi.ddl/ | 06:04 |
| scrottie0 | dll | 06:04 |
| buu | Thanks scrottie. | 06:04 |
| buu | preaction: Which I assume is the same as being $default_page | 06:04 |
| buu | preaction: But you see what I'm trying to do right? | 06:04 |
| buu | I'm not completely insane | 06:05 |
| @preaction | yes, i'm worried that whereever you go, you put something under the default page | 06:05 |
| @preaction | is that what's happening? | 06:05 |
| @preaction | you could spend more time in Tree view, adding stuff | 06:06 |
| buu | Uh, you mean if I go to say, /wiki, which is a child of /Site/Index/ atm | 06:08 |
| buu | It will become a child of /Site/Index instead of .../wikik? | 06:08 |
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| @preaction | no, it should become a child of /wiki | 06:09 |
| @preaction | if it doesn't, that's a bug | 06:09 |
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| buu | preaction: Ok, in the asset manager, if I'm in the 'root' view, then 'Back to Site' links to /index, which is the url to my /Root/Site/Index article asset | 06:13 |
| buu | But if I go into /Root/Site; then back to site links to /site | 06:13 |
| buu | (Also I'm back on 7.9 for the record) | 06:14 |
| @preaction | yeah, "Back to site" changes around like that | 06:15 |
| @preaction | in /import, it goes somewhere else entirely | 06:15 |
| buu | wACKY. | 06:17 |
| buu | Ack, cats. | 06:17 |
| buu | I think I've managed to break a fundamental assumption | 06:18 |
| buu | preaction: Is there a way to set a default display page for a folder? | 06:18 |
| @preaction | that the system always knows best? | 06:18 |
| @preaction | a folder just displays a list of whatever's in it, but you can template that list sure | 06:18 |
| buu | Um. | 06:19 |
| @preaction | i'm not understanding you, am i? | 06:19 |
| buu | I'd rather it work like a webserver's folder, displaying an index | 06:19 |
| buu | But that's a minor concern | 06:19 |
| buu | preaction: I think essentially what I'm trying to do here is recreate a traditional website filesystem layout through the asset manager | 06:19 |
| buu | Which, given the pain I'm having, appears to be the wrong design. | 06:20 |
| buu | Ok, so I went to /wiki; created an article, and it showed up as a child | 06:20 |
| buu | It's just that / is translated to be the default page | 06:20 |
| @preaction | right, which has no bearing on the actual URL of the asset that is considered "default" | 06:21 |
| buu | preaction: What I'd like to have happen is to have a folder Site; with an index page Index that is displayed as the root page; but if you create new pages it shows up as a child of /Site | 06:21 |
| buu | There's this odd link where site assets are assumed to be children of the default page | 06:22 |
| @preaction | okay, so you'd want the folder as the default page, and then pages inside the folder, which is what you're doing, no? | 06:22 |
| buu | preaction: Close, I want an asset inside the folder to be the default *displayed* page | 06:22 |
| buu | So I have an article /Site/Index; and if I go to foo.com/; I want that index asset to be displayed | 06:22 |
| @preaction | ahh | 06:23 |
| buu | Am I going about this the hard way? | 06:23 |
| @preaction | a little, yeah | 06:23 |
| @preaction | what you then want is just layouts | 06:23 |
| buu | preaction: My problem is basically if I make everything the child of the 'default page' what happens if I want to change the default page? | 06:23 |
| @preaction | the home page is a layout, and everything under that is a layout | 06:23 |
| @preaction | in the tree view, it'll look like a folder, but when you go to / it's a layout | 06:24 |
| @preaction | er.. in the Asset Manager | 06:24 |
| buu | Right, I think you mentioned this before, if the default page is a Layout and I made every asset under it also a layout, it wouldn't display them. | 06:24 |
| buu | Which seems like it would be kinda painful | 06:24 |
| buu | What about subclassing whatever class implements Layout and modify how it finds children to display? | 06:25 |
| @preaction | you could, it's pretty hairy in there, but not that bad | 06:25 |
| @preaction | it wouldn't display those pages inside the first page, but you could still go to them | 06:25 |
| buu | Right | 06:26 |
| buu | preaction: but if I created a wiki; I would have to create layout, goto layout, create wiki | 06:27 |
| buu | Really the default would be fine if it just did whitelisting instead of blacklisting | 06:27 |
| @preaction | that'd be easier to change | 06:27 |
| @preaction | in my perfect future WebGUI, pages would act pretty much as you want them to: images, articles, and views of other applications would only appear when the user placed them there | 06:28 |
| @preaction | but that perfect future is a ways away at this rate | 06:29 |
| @preaction | apps wouldn't exist in a "tree", there would just be a list of pages/apps (i suppose i could use URLs to make a tree out of them) | 06:30 |
| buu | How would you associate them? | 06:30 |
| @preaction | they'd just have a URL. a page would know what was on it, but that'd be it | 06:31 |
| @preaction | so i could present the apps as a tree, but it wouldn't matter. the URL would define the tree | 06:32 |
| @preaction | which makes more sense to most people | 06:32 |
| buu | So anything under /foo/ is part of that tree? | 06:32 |
| @preaction | you could add multiple URLs to a page/app too, so it wouldn't matter | 06:32 |
| @preaction | right | 06:32 |
| buu | Yeah, allowing you to specify any url regardless of tree location is a bit odd | 06:32 |
| @preaction | /foo would show up under /, //foo/bar would show up under /foo, just by sake of being the URL | 06:32 |
| buu | I mean, it makes sense, but it creates odd things | 06:32 |
| buu | Right, but that's essentially what you're doing now | 06:33 |
| buu | Just invisible urls | 06:33 |
| @preaction | right | 06:33 |
| @preaction | the actual lineage is just in the db | 06:33 |
| buu | preaction: Heh, this reminds me of my years of pain trying to store trees in databases. | 06:35 |
| @preaction | well, it's a little more convoluted: that Article you place on the Layout has its own URL. nobody will ever know that, nobody will ever view that Article out of its Layout, but it has one just the same | 06:35 |
| @preaction | actually, the lineage system we have isn't so bad | 06:35 |
| buu | So | 06:36 |
| buu | my $childIter = $self->getLineageIterator(["children"],{excludeClasses=>["WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout"]}); | 06:36 |
| @preaction | right | 06:36 |
| buu | So all I need to do is subclass this an add my own lineageiterator? | 06:36 |
| scrottie0 | Postgres started doing fully recursive stuff somewhere in 8.x | 06:37 |
| scrottie0 | you can solve minesweeper with it, render Mandlebrots, etc | 06:37 |
| @preaction | that might work, but it might be better to subclass that whole sub, or refactor that sub to have a "getAssetsToDisplay" or something that would be easier to subclass | 06:37 |
| @preaction | our old stuff wasn't very easily extensible | 06:38 |
| buu | preaction: Well, yes, but.. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | getLineageIterator is defined by the superclass, and it might be called by other things expecting certain behavior, is what i'm trying to say | 06:39 |
| buu | Just to re-iterate for myself, what I'm trying to solve here is my problem with A) Requiring all elements to be a child under something I can't change the display of | 06:39 |
| @preaction | you could switch the test of the show/hide assets thing pretty simply | 06:39 |
| buu | preaction: Yeah.. | 06:41 |
| buu | if ($hidden{$assetId} || ! $child->canView); | 06:41 |
| buu | Hrm. | 06:43 |
| @scrottie | Code::Splice in whatever you want. | 06:43 |
| buu | Hey, I remember that | 06:44 |
| buu | Hasn't someone murdered you for that yet? | 06:44 |
| @preaction | might want to keep your changes committed in your repo, and use git to checkout upgrades. i could fix the granularity of the layout and make this easy | 06:44 |
| @scrottie | no. typesafety.pm is what almost repeatedly got me murdered. | 06:45 |
| @scrottie | repeatedly almost got me murdered. | 06:45 |
| buu | haha | 06:45 |
| @preaction | oh god, you're not kidding. this exists | 06:45 |
| buu | haha | 06:46 |
| @scrottie | I was going around telling Python programmers that Perl was more OO. eventually someone did the same thing for Python and ruined my little troll there. | 06:46 |
| @scrottie | probably doesn't work right on recent perls. needs love. | 06:47 |
| @scrottie | think I did some work towards the end of 5.9. | 06:47 |
| @scrottie | the nit about my Whatever $foo not working got fixed and I think you can now do my Foo::Bar $whatever. | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you prefer that WebGUI specific JS and CSS be file based, or asset based? | 07:46 |
| @preaction | file based | 07:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: is the ssh configuration the same on MacOS X as it is on Linux? | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | ~/.ssh/config? | 08:07 |
| @preaction | yup | 08:08 |
| @preaction | wait, who's having trouble with that this time of night? | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | mck | 08:08 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you set her up for the last scp access to a server that she needed? | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction? | 08:12 |
| @preaction | heh | 08:12 |
| @preaction | hehehe | 08:12 |
| @preaction | hehehehehehe | 08:12 |
| @preaction | HEEHEHEHEHEHEHE | 08:12 |
| +perlDreamer | HAHAHAHAHA ? | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | HOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOHOOO | 08:13 |
| @preaction | i talked her through setting up a key, then gave her two scp commands, one to put, one to pull | 08:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, she has old chat transcripts | 08:13 |
| @preaction | i tried like three other things before that, unfortunately | 08:15 |
| * perlDreamer didn't know that open would pop-up an editor | 08:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | very handy :) | 08:15 |
| @preaction | open will open the default program for a file | 08:15 |
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| scrottie0 | WebGUI is on a mission here to clobber ownerUserId. I can't find where this is in happening other than in www_add(). I can catch that and update it to what it should be afterwards. calling addChild with ownerUserId isn't enough. www_add() clobbers. | 19:04 |
| scrottie0 | but I'm dealing with that. | 19:04 |
| scrottie0 | what just caught me by surprise is www_editSave somehow clobbering it and this time, I don't see where in the code this hapens. | 19:04 |
| scrottie0 | hints? | 19:04 |
| +bartjol | scrottie0 do you ever sleep? | 19:09 |
| +bartjol | but on the subject of your question, I don't know it directly | 19:10 |
| +bartjol | adter 5 hours of pulling network cable, code looks a bit.... alien | 19:11 |
| scrottie0 | I am not proud of this past week. | 19:11 |
| +bartjol | well, the sdh stuff went well | 19:12 |
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| scrottie0 | eeek, good night! | 19:18 |
| @preaction | scrottie0: processPropertiesFromFormPost is what updates the actual information in the new revision | 19:48 |
| scrottie0 | yeah, didn't see anything in there that would do that. AssetVersioning.pm's addRevision has a default of 3 for new versions. that's my best lead. | 19:54 |
| scrottie0 | https://gist.github.com/779981 ... trying to take a big hammer to it, I'm intercepting www_editSave. ownerUserId is correct before and after the normal www_editSave logic. but next time I look at the thing, eg with wgd, it says ownerUserId: 3 | 20:13 |
| scrottie0 | looks like intercepting www_editSave is unnecessary. that whole part of the request works as expected, preserving the ownerUserId. but then after that, something happens. to the best of my knowledge, it isn't set to use the clobberOwnerUserId workflow. | 20:15 |
| scrottie0 | hrm, I wonder if www_add somehow gets called after that. | 20:15 |
| scrottie0 | oh. I'm probably not diddling the new revision that got created. | 20:17 |
| scrottie0 | duh. | 20:17 |
| @preaction | commit maybe? | 20:17 |
| scrottie0 | a new version gets created with '3' instead of whatever. | 20:18 |
| scrottie0 | and set published. | 20:18 |
| @preaction | right, but then processProperties should update that with the real one | 20:18 |
| @preaction | unless, the form doesn't ever give one | 20:18 |
| scrottie0 | I have a rigged processPropertiesFromFormPost too but it probably isn't correct. | 20:19 |
| @preaction | then once editSave is done, it goes to spectre for commit() | 20:20 |
| scrottie0 | it would be really nice if new versions of assets started as an exact copy of the previous one rather than counting on things to go through forms that probably shouldn't go through forms, like who owns the stupid thing. | 20:30 |
| scrottie0 | anyway, got it, thanks for the consultation. | 20:30 |
| buu | Hrm | 20:38 |
| buu | "<tmpl_var head tags> : Place this tag between the <head> tags in your page. " | 20:38 |
| buu | Missing a period? | 20:38 |
| @preaction | yep | 20:39 |
| buu | all the tmpl vars referenced in the text appear to be missing dots | 20:40 |
| scrottie0 | I know who did it! | 20:48 |
| scrottie0 | Pac Man! | 20:48 |
| buu | Oh wait | 20:59 |
| buu | Can I like, ^include(/some/random/pageasset) | 21:00 |
| @preaction | ^AssetProxy(some/random/pageasset) <- yep | 21:00 |
| buu | Ahh | 21:00 |
| buu | This might make the problem I was having yesterday considerably simpler. | 21:00 |
| buu | preaction: So can I make an article asset contain template code? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | that could be any asset as well | 21:01 |
| @preaction | not template code, but macros yes | 21:01 |
| @preaction | those are macros | 21:01 |
| buu | Oh um. What exactly is the difference? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | lib/WebGUI/Macro/* and the "macros" bit of the config file | 21:01 |
| buu | Aside from apparently where I can put it | 21:01 |
| buu | (As a side note I'm just really amused to see HTML::Template again, I haven't seen it in years) | 21:02 |
| @preaction | where you can put it and when it gets parsed. macros are always parsed absolutely last before the page is given to the user | 21:02 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's so legacy they're thinking about reviving Dynasty for it | 21:02 |
| buu | preaction: So is the only difference between a page layout and a folder *how* it displays its children? | 21:03 |
| @preaction | pretty much, yeah | 21:03 |
| buu | Hrm. | 21:04 |
| buu | preaction: You recall our earlier conversation where I was messing with folders and stuff, well, my brilliant idea is to just make the /Home thingy a regular Article, then make everything a child of that as normal, then I can just use ^AssetProxy in that article to make it look however I want | 21:04 |
| @preaction | the same could be said about many of the other assets too, Shelf displays only Products in a certain way. Collaboration displays only Threads in a certain way. Calendar displays Events in a certain way | 21:05 |
| buu | Yeah | 21:05 |
| @preaction | that might be a good idea | 21:05 |
| buu | preaction: My concern was basically wanting to be able to radically change how that 'front page' looked at any time | 21:06 |
| buu | While not losing any convenience of course | 21:06 |
| @preaction | frodwith made a way to include assets inside of TT templates without using macros (the macro parser is finicky, doesn't deal with commas or regular HTML inside of it well), one side-effect of his code is that you could indeed put template code in the article | 21:06 |
| @preaction | ahh | 21:06 |
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| @preaction | frodwith: did you ever merge that stuff? the Asset INCLUDE tt directive stuff? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yo homies | 21:07 |
| @preaction | wut up my dawg diggity | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | dawg is draggin badly | 21:09 |
| buu | Red dawg needs food badly? | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | sleep | 21:11 |
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| carogray1 | about to board airplane, but are there any websites or examples you all know of that have any sort of "quiz" with instant answers? | 22:38 |
| buu | quiz? | 22:42 |
| carogray1 | jorge lost his job last week, got a new job this week. Can he still get Unemployment insurance? | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | a- yes | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | b - no | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | c he has to wait 3 weeks | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | d none of the above | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | user picks no | 22:44 |
| carogray1 | website responds correct No he cannot get UI if he got another job right away | 22:45 |
| carogray1 | or if user picks yes | 22:45 |
| carogray1 | wrong! b is correct answer he cannot get UI if.... | 22:45 |
| carogray1 | oops! boarding - should be in Las Vegas in a couple of hours if anyone has an answer CRobinson@mlri.org, please and thank you. | 22:55 |
| buu | I'm so confused | 22:56 |
| @preaction | carogray1: Survey might do it | 22:56 |
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| sbaur | anyone have an email address for carogray1? This is what we do on our math success site. But I don't think I'll be online next time they are | 23:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | sbaur, you can see if her account on webgui.org supports private messages | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but she posted her address above | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | CRobinson@mlri.org | 23:33 |
| sbaur | ah thanks, I must have missed that when i went to lunch :) | 23:34 |
| sbaur | or, I am just blind :-) | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, it's Friday | 23:36 |
| buu | Hrm. Why can't the source isntall have sbin/addsite.pl? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | because addsite.pl does things specific to the WRE | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | like setting up modperl and modproxy configurations and stuff | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what would be a great wgd tool, however, if it just added a new site and database | 23:42 |
| buu | Yeah.. | 23:43 |
| @preaction | and 8's WebGUI::Command will have one | 23:46 |
| Haarg | it's something i've wanted to make for a while but never got around to | 23:52 |
| buu | Man | 23:56 |
| buu | I love the complete lack of xml configuration | 23:56 |
| @preaction | xml is a failed experiment | 23:56 |
| Haarg | xml makes sense for some things, but config files are not one of them | 23:57 |
| buu | I mostly agree, but it's abused more than it has to be | 23:57 |
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| buu | OH MY GOD WORKFLOW WORKFLOWS | 00:10 |
| buu | Giant workflow umls | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | workflows are good buu, really | 00:16 |
| buu | perlDreamer: I am terrified | 00:17 |
| buu | If this was the first thing I saw I'd run screaming | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why it's tucked into the Admin Console | 00:17 |
| buu | Haha | 00:27 |
| buu | This section has a warning against putting your websevers on a hub | 00:27 |
| buu | When was this written? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | what section, buu? | 00:29 |
| buu | http://www.webgui.org/user-guides/webgui-administrators-guide/webgui-administrators-guide/performance-tuning | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 2-3 years ago | 00:29 |
| buu | When was the last time you saw a hub? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a hub in my office | 00:32 |
| sbaur | buu, I've got a USB hub right here on my desk ;-) | 00:32 |
| buu | =O | 00:32 |
| scrottie0 | I have a hub. | 00:32 |
| buu | Of course *you* have a hub. | 00:33 |
| scrottie0 | 5 port D-Link 10mbps with the 5th port settable to uplink. | 00:33 |
| buu | It's probably mounted on your brontosaurus | 00:33 |
| buu | So you can watch polo | 00:33 |
| scrottie0 | hey man don't diss on brontosaurus polo! that stuff's fun! | 00:33 |
| buu | I would never dream of it. | 00:34 |
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| buu | "However, if your site has forums, or lots of content, then the database cache will be the winner." | 00:35 |
| @preaction | actually, if you have 7.9 or higher, the CHI FastMMap cache will win | 00:36 |
| buu | Seems reasonable | 00:36 |
| scrottie0 | turn the cache off and put your mysql database on a filesystem built on /dev/shm. way faster. | 00:36 |
| buu | So is everything related to logging controlled by apache + log.conf? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:42 |
| buu | And uh | 00:43 |
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| buu | preaction: So the does the [Style Template] automatically apply to its children or merely inherited on creation or does it have something to do with the initial style setting? | 00:45 |
| @preaction | changing the style template of one asset won't change its children's. you'd have to use an Edit Branch to do that | 00:46 |
| buu | preaction: So is it set when you create it? | 00:46 |
| buu | Or is it a 'all assets get this template' | 00:46 |
| @preaction | yeah, it guesses based on the parent | 00:46 |
| buu | Hrmmmmmmmmm | 00:47 |
| @preaction | same with group to edit and group to view | 00:47 |
| buu | Ah | 00:48 |
| buu | preaction: So, inherited on creation, right. | 00:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, but not updated | 00:48 |
| buu | Right | 00:48 |
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| buu | Hrm | 03:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes? | 03:37 |
| buu | Is there someway to see what elements a navigation item will match? | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean, aside from using the navigation? | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | or, a preview? | 03:39 |
| buu | Yes | 03:39 |
| buu | perlDreamer: I have a a regular asset tree, Root, then children: Import, Media, and Home | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 03:40 |
| buu | Now Home is an Article has a couple of children | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | k | 03:40 |
| buu | I want my nav to display all of the first level descendents as a menu | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | All children (not descendants) of the Article? | 03:42 |
| buu | Descendents of Home | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI, immediate descendants (first level) we call children | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so, in the nav | 03:42 |
| buu | Yes.. | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | set a specific URL | 03:42 |
| buu | Yes.. | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | set it to /home | 03:42 |
| buu | Yes... | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | set no ancestors | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | set descendants to 1 level | 03:43 |
| buu | I have it set to Specific Url, Start Point: /home; Descendents; End Point: Infinity. | 03:44 |
| buu | And I only see one link in the nav | 03:44 |
| buu | 'Home' | 03:44 |
| +perlDreamer | do the children have "Hide from navigation" set to Yes? | 03:44 |
| buu | Oh uh | 03:44 |
| +perlDreamer | is that like Uhoh backwards? | 03:45 |
| * perlDreamer is being called to dinner | 03:45 | |
| buu | Yes =[ | 03:45 |
| buu | Sadness! | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you can use Edit Branch to change that | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 03:45 |
| buu | =] | 03:45 |
| buu | Thanks | 03:45 |
| buu | How do I construct File macros? | 04:10 |
| @preaction | ^FileUrl(url/to/asset); <- replaced with the url to the file in /uploads, so like: | 04:13 |
| @preaction | <img src="^FileUrl(url/to/asset);" /> | 04:13 |
| buu | Right right | 04:18 |
| buu | Sorry, I mean, how do I construct the url | 04:19 |
| buu | Or do I literally use the url | 04:19 |
| buu | heh | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | you literally use the URL | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's pretty straight forwrd | 04:29 |
| buu | =] | 04:30 |
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| scrottie0 | still at it you two... | 06:34 |
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| buu | We are? | 08:16 |
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| buu | Ha | 23:49 |
| buu | Anyone know what this macro is: ^a("View My Account","style-underground/templates/view-my-account"); | 23:49 |
| buu | And while I'm at it: <a href="<tmpl_var toggle.url>"><tmpl_var toggle.text></a> | 23:50 |
| buu | (Also: freenode is retarded) | 23:51 |
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| buu | perlDreamer: Hey | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yo buu | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 23:56 |
| buu | Anyone know what this macro is: ^a("View My Account","style-underground/templates/view-my-account"); < | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that is the account macro | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | It displays some smart links to the user based on being logged in or not | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | "View My Account" is some text to show | 23:57 |
| buu | Ah | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and the urly kind of thing is the url of a custom style template to use instead of the custom one | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably documented on the wiki | 23:57 |
| buu | I looked! | 23:57 |
| buu | It wasn't under the "variables and macros" section | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wiki/macros-list-of-available | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a link to the account macro in there | 23:58 |
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| buu | Oh, that wiki. | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ya, that's the original, user contributed wiki | 00:01 |
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| buu | Oh! There it is. | 00:07 |
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| buu | So what's a Wobject::Thingy | 02:02 |
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| @scrottie | I was told to stay clear of it, and so far I've done a really good job of that. | 08:29 |
| @preaction | it's a kind of db builder for users. like phpmyadmin, but not as straightforward. a little convoluted | 08:36 |
| scrottie0 | way to kill the sense of mystery. jerk. | 08:46 |
| @preaction | by making it less of a mystery, i can say "fix it" and you can't be all like "but it's big and ominous and brooding! my mind can't take it!" | 08:50 |
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| buu | Thingy is a phpadmin!? | 12:04 |
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| scrottie0 | buu, how's it going? | 23:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | hola, howdy, bienvenetu | 00:18 |
| * scrottie0 waves hello | 00:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | yo scrottie0 | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie0, could you please lend me 1 sunny-type day so I can take down my Christmas lights and stay dry? | 00:21 |
| scrottie0 | hrm. sounds like a good reason to leave them up. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I did that last year | 00:22 |
| scrottie0 | oh noes, the in-flight Internets are going to be automatically turned off | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it ruins the plastic hooks | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you're flying? | 00:22 |
| * scrottie0 nods | 00:22 | |
| scrottie0 | against my better judgement. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | oh noes! | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you could take the train | 00:22 |
| scrottie0 | yeah, I'll have to talk to Jamie about that option. | 00:23 |
| scrottie0 | a line runs from Flagstaff to Chichago and that's a major hub | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can get to portage, it's only 25 miles from Madison | 00:24 |
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| scrottie0 | d | 06:25 |
| scrottie0 | I have no evidence to support this assertion, but I'm pretty sure this place is haunted. | 06:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, today you get merged! | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe even right now, or quite soon | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | woohioo | 19:22 |
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| +bartjol | had a good noght sleepafter thursday night? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it was very, very late | 19:27 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: sorry for the comaprison typ-o, allthough it is almost a word | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I like the word "comaprison" | 19:28 |
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| CIA-112 | wrebuild: BartJol master * rf8b6ffe / wre/sbin/backup.pl : removing files at low rotations after backup and copytoremote - http://bit.ly/ih2bP6 | 19:57 |
| CIA-112 | wrebuild: BartJol master * r78614b1 / wre/sbin/backup.pl : fixed syntax error - http://bit.ly/hufW8i | 19:57 |
| CIA-112 | wrebuild: BartJol master * r1e1e873 / wre/sbin/backup.pl : rotation comaprison numerical instead of string - http://bit.ly/eNQ776 | 19:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | note to self, an 11-year old, in the kitchen, unsupevised, is an invitation for "post activity all kitchen clean-up" | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd think it'd be difficult to get flour and cake batter above the 5' mark, but you'd be wrong | 21:35 |
| @preaction | fun! | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought you were in an all-day meeting? | 21:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, still talking meeting thinging | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | how was lunch? | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Did Mckenzie bring boots, or did JT have to give her a piggy-back ride | 21:36 |
| @preaction | scrottie can pack away an entire serving of Great Dane Macaroni and Cheese, and still want more | 21:36 |
| @preaction | and yep, but no hat. they don't have hats in texas | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | no hats? | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | not even those great big 10 gallon things? | 21:40 |
| @preaction | nope. that's all arizona | 21:41 |
| buu | Haha | 21:43 |
| buu | It's true, I never see hats here | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate that I used to write bad code | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and no amount of minesweeper playing makes that go away | 21:46 |
| scrottie0 | I have a "You are Stupid and Evil and Do Not Know That You Are Stupid and Evil" sticker on my laptop. it's for me. | 21:48 |
| scrottie0 | if I can look back over these years and think, "boy was that dumb", how could I possibily draw the conclusion that that's no longer the case? | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | in the relative sense, it must be true, the problem is that in the absolute sense it's not good enough to only be less dumb than you used to be | 21:49 |
| scrottie0 | smartness isn't just defined by in terms of an optimisation problem. you can find an optimal route through a maze... through the universe though? through life? | 21:50 |
| @preaction | you don't win, you just do a little better each time | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, but what if you believe in the 1-hot theory of existence? | 21:52 |
| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r889b2bc / (4 files in 4 dirs): Refix the Friend Manager pagination. Fixes bug #11965 - http://bit.ly/hU8dqg | 22:00 |
| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r1a0f299 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Refix the Friend Manager pagination. Fixes bug #11965 - http://bit.ly/hWqw09 | 22:03 |
| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r05af179 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Move upgrade packages to the correct locations for the 7.9 branch. - http://bit.ly/hvh8Jt | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you close all the calendar bugs that you fixed? | 22:05 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:05 |
| @preaction | so if i were to add a json api for assets, would it be .json at the end if and only if the asset url does not already end with .json? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | or i could just expect assetUrl.json, even if assetUrl = something.json (so something.json.json) | 22:11 |
| scrottie0 | even if. | 22:15 |
| @preaction | backwards compatibility and past expectations leaves everyone mad | 22:15 |
| scrottie0 | perhaps the upgrader should fail if there exist any assets named *.json so that their behavior doesn't change. | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | how about using :json instead of .json? | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we should take over the .json namespace, but who knows what custom code or assets may be out there | 22:27 |
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| qwebirc83626 | I have over 400 members from approx 20 teams. Navigation - a link to each team = display list with all team members and other relevant team info. Can this be automated? | 00:05 |
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| qwbec123987 | where is apache config file located on the webgui virtual appliance? | 00:09 |
| @preaction | qwbec123987: for your first question, you can use Thingy to manage the database of that if you want, or you can use SQLReport to grab the user/group data from the webgui database | 00:20 |
| @preaction | for your second question, /data/wre/etc contains all the apache confs | 00:20 |
| qwebirc83626 | Team members are not WebGUI users. | 00:27 |
| @preaction | then Thingy is probably what you want | 00:30 |
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| qwebirc83626 | Saw WebGUI user guide. Can I create new display forms for Thingy? | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | you should be able to, yes. it should be a template | 00:40 |
| qwebirc83626 | This template, is it similar to taking a system template and re-naming it as your own? | 00:42 |
| @preaction | you should start with that, yes | 00:43 |
| qwebirc83626 | Then my only concern is the Thingy database. I'm not familiar with databases. I will probably start with the example in the user guide and then modify to taste. Is there a faster way? | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | not especially, it's a db by any other name | 00:57 |
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| qwebirc83626 | How can Thingy asset be available to the public? No login. | 01:23 |
| @preaction | make sure the Thing's group to view is Everyone, not Visitors or Registered Users | 01:29 |
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| qwebirc83626 | Should I create a thing for each 'thing'? ex. Teams (ttl 20), Managers (ttl 20), Captains (ttl 20), Players (400+) | 01:43 |
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| @preaction | probably just Teams and Players, where Teams has three Player fields for Members, Managers, and Captains | 01:46 |
| qwebirc83626 | What if a manager isn't a player. There are some such cases. | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | dinner time, l8r all | 03:01 |
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| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r11674da / docs/create.sql : Ready for 7.9.20 release. - http://bit.ly/dJXpHy | 06:59 |
| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r105df4e / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.21 development. - http://bit.ly/hL0u1r | 07:28 |
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| --- Log opened Tue Jan 18 16:52:41 2011 | ||
| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:52 |
| +bartjol | howdy | 16:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, you're merged! | 17:57 |
| +bartjol | ah, I felt differnt this morning | 17:58 |
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| qwebirc50982 | I have a Thingy that I need help setting up. I know what data I would like retrieved but don't know how many things to setup and what fields to create. How do I go about requesting such help? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | When you come into most IRC channels, the best thing to do is just state the entire problem and wait for someone to give you an answer. | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | You could also try asking on the WebGUI forums, since a different audience reads those. | 19:08 |
| qwebirc50982 | I think I need more help than these services offers - and it wouldn't be fair. It's best that I be recommended other channels | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you can buy support from the company that makes WebGUI, Plain Black. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Their website is www.plainblack.com | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | on webgui.org there is a listing of other WebGUI partners as well, so you can research other providers | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | time for me to head off to the gym, I'll be back later | 19:15 |
| * perlDreamer is back | 20:28 | |
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| +perlDreamer | crap, the Cwd module doesn't handle UTF-8 very well | 21:27 |
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| stDavid | Hi perlDreamer: Off the top of your head, do you know the name of dionak 's company? | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | knowmad technologies | 23:55 |
| stDavid | Oh, yes - Thank you very much | 23:56 |
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| andyiomoon | ping perlDreamer | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | pong andyiomoon | 01:09 |
| andyiomoon | howdy colin - are you able to pop into skype chat? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, for about 20 minutes or so | 01:15 |
| * perlDreamer steps out to pick up the kiddos from choir after school | 01:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | Group question | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI supports UTF-8 URLs now, and they're sent without URL escaping | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you can see things like Viel_Spaß.txt | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Would it be a problem if the UTF-8 character started being escaped? | 02:18 |
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| buu | Rawr | 05:46 |
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| buu | Hrm | 05:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | hack on, buu | 05:55 |
| buu | perlDreamer: I am no longer k-lined | 05:55 |
| buu | This is a good thing | 05:55 |
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| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rac3533c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix UTF-8 handling in WebGUI::Storage class. Add tests for all methods that were checked. Fixes bug #12023. - http://bit.ly/e1XAG2 | 07:07 |
| CIA-112 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r49063cf / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix UTF-8 handling in WebGUI::Storage class. Add tests for all methods that were checked. Fixes bug #12023. - http://bit.ly/gGRQsn | 07:07 |
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| SDuensin | Blah. | 16:42 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: no, wednesday | 17:08 |
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| @preaction_ | good morning WebGUI! | 17:59 |
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| +bartjol | eeeh, you're attitude to WebGUI is as a veteran's to vietnam? | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | your | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | Yes. Keep your head down. | 18:16 |
| @preaction_ | and remember to shave with cold water to help keep your skin smooth | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | Did I miss something? | 18:24 |
| @preaction_ | good morning WebGUI! | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa, you almost broke the sound barrier with that one | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: I'd love to discuss http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12024 for a bit | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if you duplicate posts, threads or CS'es, then many emails can be sent out when the newly created assets are committed. | 18:36 |
| @preaction_ | this should have been fixed, that's what skipNotifications as an argument to addChild/addRevision to it | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, it's there, but not used. | 18:37 |
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| @preaction_ | is shared IP not a recommended way to do HA clustering anymore/ | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean using a front-end proxy/balancer? | 18:53 |
| @preaction_ | no, two boxes that can each take control of an IP based on which one is still operational. one node goes unresponsive, and the second node can assume the old node's IP address | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds evil, doesn't it drive the routers crazy? | 18:55 |
| @preaction_ | that might be why i can't find much in the way of recent docs about it | 18:55 |
| @preaction_ | but, i suppose if they're in EC2, they could use heartbeat attached to the amazon ec2 API to change the elastic IP of the box in question | 18:56 |
| @preaction_ | the idea being that the box will go down, but we have to recover it | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, for failover instead of scaling | 18:57 |
| @preaction_ | right | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | this is where bartjol wakes up and shares deep insights from his experience with Procolix | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | ? | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | any comments on HA clustering? | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | well, WebGUI and multiple mysql nodes for scaling aren't exactly freinds | 18:59 |
| @preaction_ | scaling is nice, but it's failover that's the main issue | 18:59 |
| @preaction_ | right, which is why clusterIP comes in | 18:59 |
| @preaction_ | you COULD do multimaster and have a script that alters the WebGUI config | 18:59 |
| +bartjol | yeah, I call it a virtual IP | 18:59 |
| @preaction_ | OR you could set up a local proxy to the mysql server which can be changed to whatever mysql server is up | 19:00 |
| @preaction_ | using netcat or whatever | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | well, you can still have a read and write IP | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | and those can switch | 19:00 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, but webgui only writes to one, ever | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | that is true | 19:01 |
| +bartjol | those IP can be virtual, so not tied to physical virtal machines | 19:01 |
| +bartjol | (or physical machines) | 19:02 |
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| advancedalarmtec | if we want to host a non-webgui site on a machine with the wre installation where would I put the file containing the virtualhost information? Also, does the file have to have a specific name such as site10.conf or site10.modperl ect. | 19:08 |
| +bartjol | it has to be *.modproxy and be put in the wre/etc dir | 19:08 |
| +bartjol | you will use the WebGUI apache, but that is ok | 19:09 |
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| advancedalarmtec | thank you bartjol, that got me going! | 19:21 |
| +bartjol | no problem | 19:22 |
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| advancedalarmtec | is there a reason there's no httpd.conf file located in /data/wre/etc on the webgui virtual appliance? | 19:53 |
| advancedalarmtec | without it you can't run the apachectl command | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which version of the appliance, advancealarmtec? | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess the question doesn't matter | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE uses 2 apache configuration files | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you want to use apachectl instead of wreservice.pl, then you have to tell it which one to use via a command-line switch | 19:57 |
| advancedalarmtec | 7.8.24 | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be your WebGUI version | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so it must be the new, beta appliance | 19:57 |
| advancedalarmtec | all I did was create a blank httpd.conf file in the /wre/etc folder and it was able to run the apachectl command | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but did it do anything useful? | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, any particular reason that the Post wasn't updated to use Subscribable? | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | bandwidth, bad idea, ...? | 20:01 |
| advancedalarmtec | I'm not sure yet :) ultimately I'm trying to figure out how to enable ProxyPass and ProxyPassReverse so I can forward mail.site1.com to my mail server. I was trying to get apachectl to show me the list of loaded modules which is when I found out that it wouldn't run because there was no httpd.conf file locate din /data/wre/etc | 20:02 |
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| @preaction_ | perlDreamer: time constraints maybe? backcompat? | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | advancealarmtec, the modules are different for the two apache binaries | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's better to pass it a config file so you know the right one :) | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: there are bad bugs relating to skipNotification in the CS, using Subscribable would fix them, I think... | 20:10 |
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| @preaction_ | perlDreamer: iirc it was time constraints, as long as the API remains, it should work just fine | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | what, me, change APIs? :) | 20:15 |
| @preaction_ | no no no no no nonononono yes | 20:15 |
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| advancedalarmtec | thanks perlDreamer I've got it working now | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 20:41 |
| sbaur | preaction_: I seem to recognize that line from the Vicar of Dibly character... | 20:42 |
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| @preaction_ | and of course, though the WRE compiles on OSX 10.6 and Ubuntu x64, it does not compile on Centos 5.5 x64... | 22:29 |
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| @preaction_ | ah, because i have an older version of autoconf that comes with centos 5.5 and one program expects a newer version... | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | live by the autoconf... | 23:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, andyiomoon1 | 23:27 |
| andyiomoon1 | hello perlDreamer | 23:28 |
| andyiomoon1 | looks like my machine has been connecting/disconnecting all night | 23:28 |
| andyiomoon1 | apologies for the spam :) | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, it happens | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: if version tags are optional in 8, is ->commit still called on every asset? | 23:30 |
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| @preaction_ | presently yes, but not automatically | 23:30 |
| andyiomoon1 | I'll be heading into work shortly perlDreamer - we can catch up on bugs after that if you like | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Scotty is going to be looking at the bugs | 23:31 |
| andyiomoon1 | ok | 23:31 |
| andyiomoon1 | ciao for now then | 23:31 |
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| * perlDreamer steps out to pick up kids at school | 23:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | if I'm lucky, I'll just bring home my own | 23:32 |
| @preaction_ | so apparently some make clean do not make clean enough, and a compiled config file then bitches about being built for a different autoconf | 23:40 |
| @preaction_ | seriously. i mean ... seriously... | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | which wonderful piece of software is that? | 23:58 |
| --- Day changed Thu Jan 20 2011 | ||
| @preaction_ | gnutls and libxml both | 00:02 |
| @preaction_ | and then mod_perl2 didn't autodetect that it needed -fPIC | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh boy | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: you're going to love this one | 00:13 |
| @preaction_ | ooooh | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | skipNotification gets passed into duplicate | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's never used | 00:13 |
| @preaction_ | ahh fun | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and, once set, it's never cleared | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, once set in the database, it's never cleared | 00:13 |
| @preaction_ | wait, shouldn't that be done by the Subscribable aspect overriding those things? | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | i'll check for the wiki and the other places that use it | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not done that way for the CS and associated sub-assets | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and I understand why you didn't do it for the CS | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | we'd have to port over all the groups, and templates into the Aspect | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and remove them from the asset | 00:17 |
| @preaction_ | ahhh, yeah, time constraints | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it sounds like a good 8 task | 00:18 |
| @preaction_ | if it were in the Subscribable aspect, we'd have an awersome Account plugin for "Subscription Manager" | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | can I add it to the list? | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | hang on | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | duplicateBranch hardcodes skipNotification = 1 | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but duplicate allows it to be unset? | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | shouldn't it always be 1, regardless of the method | 00:34 |
| @preaction_ | maybe? the subscribable aspect should probably set it, yes | 00:34 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbce5e6a / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Subscribable aspect dies if addRevision is called without a hashref of new properties for the new revision. - http://bit.ly/i0kI2d | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | all righty, let's try this on for size | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | a regular asset calls duplicate with skipNotification => 1 | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | duplicate calls addRevision with skipNotification => 1 | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | skipNotification is set for the asset in the db | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the asset is committed, and skipNotification is never, ever cleared again | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | an asset with Subscribable calls duplicate with skipNotification => 1 | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Subscribable subclasses duplicate the subscriptionGroup | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | duplicate calls addRev with skipNotification => 1 | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Subscribable subclasses addRev to turn off skipNotification in the asset properties so it isn't propagated forever | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and then everything works as advertised | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but why not just turn off skipNotification in the db in commit? | 00:42 |
| @preaction_ | i was thinking that it'd be an indicator that the notification did not go out for that revision | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, so persisting it is a good idea | 00:49 |
| @preaction_ | well, if people want that ability | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to document it in the Aspect, so we know why it does that | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | really, I think it's a good idea | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if people ask why a notifiation wasn't set, now you can check | 00:53 |
| @preaction_ | yeah | 00:53 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rca54f43 / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Document how skipNotification is handled by the Aspect. - http://bit.ly/gYUHXG | 00:55 |
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| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8c2958b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not send emails when a Post or Thread is copied inside WebGUI. Fixes bug #12024. - http://bit.ly/gf3EzZ | 04:44 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rcb6537e / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Subscribable aspect dies if addRevision is called without a hashref of new properties for the new revision. - http://bit.ly/fSPlmk | 04:45 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * ra8b5b65 / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Document how skipNotification is handled by the Aspect. - http://bit.ly/gSVjlY | 04:45 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r7d6bb2c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Do not send emails when a Post or Thread is copied inside WebGUI. Fixes bug #12024. - http://bit.ly/gdsWbE | 04:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you can't create forms inside of forms, can you? | 05:08 |
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| @preaction | and like so many things, now that we've built one for WebGUI, I find one on CPAN: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Package-DeprecationManager/lib/Package/DeprecationManager.pm | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:25 |
| +bartjol | so , will it be replaced? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | probably not, it's a very simple system, WebGUI::Deprecate | 18:27 |
| @preaction | it's indeed almost the exact same system | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | congrats, preaction: you got picked up by PerlBuzz's news roll-up | 18:30 |
| @preaction | oooooh | 18:30 |
| * perlDreamer sits back and watches the new perl developers pop-in | 18:32 | |
| @preaction | there's been a few new people on the bug list and forums i've noticed | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ya | 18:38 |
| +bartjol | new people, aaaah | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.10 doesn't go stable for a while, yes? | 18:39 |
| * perlDreamer is wondering when we should put out a new VM | 18:39 | |
| @preaction | right. we're keeping 7.10 beta until 8.0 goes new beta | 18:39 |
| +bartjol | oh, I thought there was to be a 7.11 | 18:39 |
| @preaction | it isn't in the cards, no | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, we like old perl developers, too | 18:40 |
| +bartjol | well, I don't develop that much | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | I just critize the results of the activities of developers :) | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | we like that too ;) | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if you feel bad about it, you can take us sailing in Madison some time | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | well, bug reporting isn't that bad | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | well, last time I tried to sail in Madison, we didn't | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you sank? | 18:44 |
| +bartjol | no we just didn't go to the boat | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | there was too much waves and wind for the dingy | 18:45 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym while thinking about session->style->userStyle and sendHeader | 19:13 | |
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| @preaction | hmm... brand-new install of 7.9.20 requires Monkey::Patch, but it's marked as "optional" in testEnvironment.pl | 20:19 |
| @preaction | or... maybe it's just the tests that require it and i'm an idiot | 20:20 |
| * perlDreamer git blames frodwith | 20:23 | |
| @preaction | i suppose with all these vms on my mac, i could almost put out a new WRE version :p | 20:24 |
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| @preaction | i can assume a released tarball should pass all tests, right? | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:31 |
| @preaction | so that if it fails, it's my env... oh | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | some tests may fail due to extra installed languages | 20:31 |
| @preaction | ahh | 20:31 |
| @preaction | none of those here, just a vanilla 7.9.20 | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.9.20 has 4 languages | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | spanish, english, bartjolian and German | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | in the tarballs | 20:32 |
| @preaction | the tests don't ... oh right because those are added to the tarballs afterward, they aren't in the repo | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | when we can mix repos, then it'll be easier to test that kind of stuff | 20:32 |
| @preaction | well, test run almost done, so we'll see how this wre does | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, I still think the translation server is down | 20:33 |
| @preaction | most likely | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | in the WebGUI content cycle, who is responsible for calling $session->http->sendHeader? | 20:33 |
| @preaction | usually, if you're writing directly to output yourself instead of returning output, you must call it yourself | 20:34 |
| @preaction | otherwise, it will eventually be called by the asset content handler, iirc | 20:34 |
| @preaction | but yeah, the end result is before any output is sent, it must have been called | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't it be cool if a www method could associate a method for checking permissions to run it? | 20:41 |
| @preaction | i could see a reason to say "oh, you're calling ->session->output->print? i'll call sendHeader since you forgot you ninny" but then you could never not call it | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | then we could introspect it at the caller level and put all that in just 1 place | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | since it seems to be missing from place to place | 20:42 |
| @preaction | yes, i want that as part of any Asset::Declarative DSL | 20:42 |
| @preaction | wtf, did my test twitter creds get revoked? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | they don't seem to like automated twitter tests | 20:43 |
| @preaction | ... sigh... | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | same thing happens when installing the core Net::Twitter module | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe they need dev accounts for stuff like this? | 20:44 |
| @preaction | the app still shows up in twitter.com... | 20:46 |
| @preaction | the key and secret are the same | 20:46 |
| @preaction | huh... weird | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | addChild sets the HTTP status | 20:46 |
| @preaction | yeah that should probably stop :p | 20:47 |
| @preaction | if we responded specially to a PUT request to create a resource, then that could set the http "added" code | 20:47 |
| * perlDreamer is beginning to understand the desire to completely rewrite software | 20:48 | |
| @preaction | yeah, JT's had some awesome ideas on a CMS philosophy that i've started stretching and warping into a practical set of concerns | 20:51 |
| @preaction | imagine a set of CMS applications that work as Plack/PSGI apps, but also work as plugins to an administrative system that lets them work side-by-side | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 72 hours? | 20:54 |
| @preaction | yeah, right? | 20:54 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r973363b / (4 files in 4 dirs): Enforce viewing permissions for search and keywords in the Wiki. Fixes bug #12027 - http://bit.ly/eR2KT8 | 21:22 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r4174b06 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Enforce viewing permissions for search and keywords in the Wiki. Fixes bug #12027 - http://bit.ly/hqDQH6 | 21:23 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: that WRE as promised: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/226725/wre-latest-centos5.5-x64.tar.gz | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ooooooh | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | kudos, dude | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | are we doing to do a release? | 21:53 |
| @preaction | a WRE release? not yet, i'll keep building them as-needed | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 21:54 |
| @preaction | the prereqs i just posted to the forums have all the modules needed, but the wre doesn't yet assemble the entire perl module prereq set, which is why i don't want to release | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes good sense | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | someone just said, 'Thank you' for fixing a bug | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that was so awesome, I think I'm going to go eat some lunch | 21:55 |
| @preaction | nice | 21:55 |
| qwebirc38317 | Re. - Story Manager as CNN. I'm trying to add a story to the home page. Which story manager template do I duplicate? | 22:02 |
| @preaction | the home page should be a Story Topic asset | 22:02 |
| qwebirc38317 | How do I get images in the story -- the story topic template doesn't have any templ_vars | 22:06 |
| @preaction | that's a new feature in the 7.10 series, iirc | 22:07 |
| qwebirc38317 | The WebGUI TV video/pdf - Story Manager as CNN, doesn't distinguish WebGUI version. I'm on the current 7.10 beta and I see no other available templates or changes within available templates. | 22:17 |
| @preaction | they're not being used in the templates. maybe it's just the archive itself that has those in it by default | 22:18 |
| @preaction | i dunno, perlDreamer could answer, as he did the main dev on it | 22:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | i didn't add the new feature to 7.10 that makes those variables available in the Story Topic, but I can confirm what preaction is saying | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not in the default templates | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want them, qwebirc38317, you'll need to make some custom templates | 23:02 |
| * perlDreamer is off to pick up kids and run some errands | 23:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 23:34 |
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| qwebirc38317 | Are there plans to include these variables in future builds? | 00:44 |
| @preaction | what do you mean? | 00:48 |
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| qwebirc38317 | <+perlDreamer> i didn't add the new feature to 7.10 that makes those variables available in the Story Topic | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yessir? | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but the Story Manager is my baby | 00:51 |
| @preaction | he didn't add them, but there are in there | 00:52 |
| @preaction | someone else added them, is what he meant | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | ya, that's it | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | apparently today my Englishis as poor as my javascript, HTML and CSS all put together... | 00:54 |
| qwebirc38317 | I like this feature. Will these 'custom template' ever get included in story manager / where do I begin to create them? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: 2nd set of eyes, please? http://gist.github.com/788893 | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | qwebirc, you would make a copy of the default template and add in the custom code | 01:05 |
| @preaction | yep, looks correct | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I suggest you spend some time looking in the webgui wiki (http://www.webgui.org/wiki) for basics on templating | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks dood | 01:06 |
| andyiomoon1 | ping scrottie0 | 01:06 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1c3b242 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Hide ending recurrent fields that are not used. Fixes bug #12020. - http://bit.ly/enM08o | 01:07 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r06fc3f4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Hide ending recurrent fields that are not used. Fixes bug #12020. - http://bit.ly/hcllM5 | 01:08 |
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| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r3e18815 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Force a foreground color for the calendar event view template. Fixes bug #11991. - http://bit.ly/dEEaU2 | 01:25 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r48c834e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Move the border property from the body in the CSS for the View Event template to the surrounding table. Fixes bug #11990. - http://bit.ly/eJOjVU | 01:36 |
| CIA-27 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rcb8ae86 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Move the border property from the body in the CSS for the View Event template to the surrounding table. Fixes bug #11990. - http://bit.ly/hzAqNi | 01:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | later all | 01:43 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:32 |
| +bartjol | what? | 16:33 |
| SDuensin | It's FRIDAY! | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | ah | 16:37 |
| +bartjol | http://ishetalweekend.nl/ | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | lol | 16:43 |
| +bartjol | haven't seen an english version, but it is clear enough | 16:50 |
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| @preaction | uhm, did we lose the install/upgrade forum from webgui.org? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it was merged into etc? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | as part of the last website redesign | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | everything was consolidated back together | 20:44 |
| @preaction | interesting bit of info for today: Auth was added in 6.0.0 | 21:37 |
| @preaction | in 2003. | 21:37 |
| @preaction | when was Asset made? 6.2? | 22:06 |
| @preaction | 6.3 actually, almost 2 years later... jesus | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 6 took a very long time | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | ohh, wgd config is for wgdev config, not wg config... sigh... | 02:51 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that's confusing :( | 03:10 |
| @preaction | perhaps it should be wgd --config <- set a wgd config. and wgd config <- set a wg site config | 03:11 |
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| @preaction | new feature request; upload a .doc or .odt file and have as much formatting as possible preserved as it's imported into the sytem. there must be some file format we could take advantage of. PDF even? | 08:06 |
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| @preaction | i've been setting up a buildbot for my other company, and i think we'll set up one for webgui while i'm at it | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | webgui and WRE why not | 01:59 |
| @preaction | oh, new WRE will be built with make, not any build.sh. make is designed to do what build.sh does poorly | 02:00 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 02:45 |
| +SynQ | is there going to be a wre? | 02:46 |
| @preaction | there has to be, yes | 02:46 |
| +SynQ | why? | 02:47 |
| +SynQ | forgive my ignorance ;) | 02:47 |
| @preaction | because you still need perl, mysql, and a messton of perl modules | 02:47 |
| @preaction | also various helper stuff like the backup and other utils, done as WebGUI::Command scripts, but requiring some setup | 02:47 |
| +SynQ | if there is going to be a WRE then indeed make is the better tool | 02:48 |
| @preaction | and we're going to add nginx as a proxy for the static stuff | 02:48 |
| +SynQ | memcached? | 02:48 |
| @preaction | not in the main WRE, as FastMMap is faster in the most-common, single-server case | 02:49 |
| +SynQ | indeed | 02:49 |
| +SynQ | probably | 02:49 |
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| CIA-78 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r2469444 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm t/Keyword.t): fixed #12029: issue with keywords - http://bit.ly/f5ioaj | 17:51 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r48bbec5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm t/Keyword.t): fixed #12029: issue with keywords - http://bit.ly/e3jxwl | 17:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, when you added the % escaping to the Keyword, did you do a quick check to make sure all consumers of Keyword don't do that too? | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | double encoding would be bad | 18:29 |
| @frodwith | no, I just made sure the tests pass. | 18:29 |
| @frodwith | for Keyword.t | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I saw you added new tests, too. Thank you for that! | 18:30 |
| @frodwith | anywho, nobody's going to be urlencoding all of generateCloud | 18:31 |
| @frodwith | that would break things anyway | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | what should I be using? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you should be using WebGUI | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, if you're looking for something to tease Martin about | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Ask him why he's creating templates in English for features that only exist in Europe | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | mmm, I won't see him till friday | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | I will have forgotten by then | 18:49 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2b15982 / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the EU VAT TaxDriver screen. Fixes bug #12028. - http://bit.ly/ghD1xG | 19:00 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r18d584f / (3 files in 3 dirs): i18n the EU VAT TaxDriver screen. Fixes bug #12028. - http://bit.ly/gcL3AK | 19:01 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd657e36 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location - http://bit.ly/e23pec | 19:01 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: I do use webgui, even though my website is down right now | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | server problems? | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | no, it is my test server, so I'm running a test app there right now | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ew! ew! PHP | 19:05 |
| +bartjol | yeah, strange clients | 19:23 |
| +bartjol | I just installed it | 19:23 |
| +bartjol | and trying to make it work properly | 19:23 |
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| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rebf7763 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix display of multiple date change headers in the Calendar list view. Settle on months. Fixes bug #11989. - http://bit.ly/fhmjJv | 21:32 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd6a7f91 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix display of multiple date change headers in the Calendar list view. Settle on months. Fixes bug #11989. - http://bit.ly/hY122D | 21:33 |
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| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r052b3df / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix duplicating storages in Posts and subscription groups in threads. Fixes bug #12024. - http://bit.ly/eWIHAa | 05:09 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd73d971 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix duplicating storages in Posts and subscription groups in threads. Fixes bug #12024. - http://bit.ly/ePi1az | 05:10 |
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| +SynQ | good night :) | 05:49 |
| +SynQ | mr perlDreamer | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | good night good sir | 05:49 |
| +SynQ | agnus dei | 05:50 |
| +SynQ | samuel barber | 05:50 |
| +SynQ | and after that.. | 05:50 |
| +SynQ | requiem | 05:50 |
| +SynQ | mozart | 05:50 |
| * perlDreamer is being serenaded by an ll-year old trumpet player | 05:51 | |
| +SynQ | the dance of the bublebee? | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | hot cross buns | 05:52 |
| +SynQ | for the trumpet player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUij8FCg0z8 | 05:54 |
| +SynQ | something to live up to :) | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll save that for a bit, at least until after the practice lesson is over | 05:54 |
| +SynQ | that is a good idea | 05:55 |
| +SynQ | it might be just a tad demotivational | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how are things back east? And why are you up so late? | 05:55 |
| +SynQ | things are ok | 05:56 |
| +SynQ | I'm up cause I'm migrating Virtual Machines from one data center to the other | 05:56 |
| +SynQ | but my eyes are starting to fall shut | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and I need to switch to daddy mode for a little while | 06:00 |
| +SynQ | ah | 06:00 |
| +SynQ | you go do that | 06:00 |
| +SynQ | catch you later | 06:00 |
| +SynQ | ~! | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you, too :) | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, do you have something against cascading ternaries and testable code? | 06:22 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdbcd507 / lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm : Fix Keyword -> generateCloud and make the test repeatable again without having to parse the returned URLs. - http://bit.ly/fCfq9k | 06:28 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r32f79aa / lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm : Fix Keyword -> generateCloud and make the test repeatable again without having to parse the returned URLs. - http://bit.ly/g9WW6C | 06:58 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r61933d7 / docs/create.sql : Ready for 7.10.8 release. - http://bit.ly/hhF9gQ | 06:59 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r93646ad / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.9 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/h1U0tV | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, new WebGUI hits the streets running! | 07:23 |
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| @preaction | and there he goes running after it ;) | 07:25 |
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| * scrottie pokes SynQ in the ribs with a bony finger. | 08:25 | |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:31 |
| +bartjol | grrrmbl | 16:42 |
| SDuensin | I hear that. | 16:42 |
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| @preaction | it's a good WebGUI day! | 19:04 |
| SDuensin | Is it ever not? | 19:05 |
| @preaction | no, but still we should all take a moment and share how good of a WebGUI day it is | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | I just introduced a buddy of mine to WebGUI. I quote: "im liking this webGUI this is nice" | 19:06 |
| @preaction | nice | 19:06 |
| SDuensin | Having the docs on the WebGUI.com site has REALLY helped. | 19:08 |
| SDuensin | Er, org. Whatever. | 19:08 |
| @preaction | we try, i think the books could use more narrative and less description really | 19:33 |
| SDuensin | Hey, putting them as-is on the site dropped the barrier of entry to WebGUI about a grand. | 19:39 |
| @preaction | true, but they're just the docs. mostly the hoverhelp parroted | 19:52 |
| @preaction | also, today is a red-letter day, as i'm actually making PROGRESS! | 19:52 |
| sbaur | Yay Progress! | 19:53 |
| @preaction | first time in weeks | 19:53 |
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| @preaction | yay colin! | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | ?? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | You're happy about my teeth too? | 20:23 |
| @preaction | of course! white teeth are the gateway to an open mind | 20:25 |
| * perlDreamer is out for lunch | 21:54 | |
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| * perlDreamer is back in da howse! | 23:00 | |
| @preaction | everybody represent! | 23:07 |
| @preaction | haaayyyy ooohhhhhh | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | I had unpure thoughts about WebGUI. | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | oh, _represent_. I thought you said _repent_. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | confession is good for the soul, scrottie | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | testing is, too | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and well documented core commit | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | and the principle of least surprise. | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought the principle of least surprise was governed by local acceptance of what a "surprise" was. | 23:15 |
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| scrottie0 | mornin', andy | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: is a calendar rewrite in the near future? | 00:30 |
| @preaction | nope | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | then this should be fixed: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12030 ? | 00:30 |
| @preaction | it's a problem with their SQLReport | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure about that | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | our calendar feed sends everything in UTC | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it always displays correctly through the calendar | 00:32 |
| @preaction | and the SQLReport, unless it adjusts to the user's time zone, displays the UTC time | 00:32 |
| @preaction | is their SQLReport adjusting to the user's time zone? | 00:32 |
| Haarg | it sounds like there is a problem even if you ignore the sql report entirely | 00:34 |
| @preaction | the event edit screen defaults to the current user's time zone, because the set time zone is UTC | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | their SQL Report could probably adjust to the user's time zone using the Date macro | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think it'd be better if WebGUI sent time zones in the ICAL data | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the parser appears to support it | 00:37 |
| @preaction | then go for it, if it solves the problem | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | nobody can be using subscription codes | 01:12 |
| @preaction | or at least it | 01:13 |
| @preaction | 's impossible to list them after they're created | 01:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I thought that I'd done that once | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | www_listSubscriptionCodes | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | then setup a date range | 01:38 |
| @preaction | somewhere it got rearranged, maybe it was recently, that no output would be returned if you didn't already fill in the date range form | 01:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | odd | 02:07 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb0c4cc8 / lib/WebGUI/Test/Mechanize.pm : re-enable logging in WebGUI::Test::Mechanize (+15 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/h0QdiR | 02:07 |
| @preaction | even? | 02:07 |
| @preaction | didn't we agree to remove the style wizard? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we agreed that it should be available to users after initial site work | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so that they could easily change their site design with nice previewy things | 02:08 |
| @preaction | th... i mean the style wizard, the one that makes the boxy style template thing | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, that thing? | 02:09 |
| @preaction | yeah, that thing | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it should be purged | 02:09 |
| @preaction | gone | 02:09 |
| * perlDreamer recommends syrup of ipecac | 02:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | or, castor oil | 02:09 |
| @preaction | i recommend Vd and git push | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Vd? | 02:10 |
| CIA-78 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r325dbad / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm : remove style wizard - http://bit.ly/h5i4fA | 02:10 |
| @preaction | capital-V is "Visual Line select" in vim, then d to delete | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | you know my wife is in medical school? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Vd has a very different connotation | 02:11 |
| @preaction | huh? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Venereal disease | 02:11 |
| @preaction | ohhh right | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | we had a similar issue with my favorite workout clothing maker, UA | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Under Armor | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or, in medical terms, Urine Analysis | 02:12 |
| @preaction | Urinary Abcess? | 02:12 |
| @preaction | oh, analysis | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I think there's a less common one, too, Uterine Abstruction | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | don't ask me what the difference b/w an obstruction and an abstruction is | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | google says there's no such thing as an abstruction | 02:16 |
| @preaction | hmm... migrating DataForm to FormBuilder... is this the chance to make Controls have their own edit form? | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe? | 02:27 |
| @preaction | no, none time | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, time zones | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to sent them inline | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and not depend on universally accepted definitions | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, Do you have any objection to us using Data::Ical for doing Calendar/Event ical? | 02:56 |
| * perlDreamer is off to make dinner, but will backlog | 02:57 | |
| @preaction | might want to read the fine Data::ICal manual, it doesn't support time zone entries | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I did read it, but the code itself disagrees | 03:03 |
| @preaction | then it looks like a good idea | 03:04 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:36 |
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| +BartJol | howdy | 16:43 |
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| +BartJol | hey, it is colin | 17:17 |
| +perlDreamer | morning Bartjol | 17:19 |
| +BartJol | ready for a day of testing and programming? | 17:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I would love a day of testing and programming. Unfortunately, it is really a day of meetings | 17:20 |
| +BartJol | well, for me it is a day of monitoring | 17:22 |
| @preaction | it's not a complete day of meetings, plus we get to meet cool new perl programmers! | 17:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Bartjol, is "monitoring" Dutch for "watching soccer on the television and drinking beers" ? | 17:27 |
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| +BartJol | no, it is watching on our monitoring tool | 17:31 |
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| SDuensin | You have a tool for monitoring soccer? | 17:44 |
| +BartJol | no, our servers | 17:44 |
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| elnino | just want to say "hi" | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino! | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Bartjol, you can't fool us, you don't have to watch a monitor | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it will call you in the middle of the night | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it will interrupt you on your dates | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it will hunt you down and make you beg to be left alone! | 17:48 |
| +BartJol | cool, walking monitors | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | or do you mean Koen | 17:50 |
| +BartJol | hey elnino, long time no chat | 17:51 |
| elnino | yep life has changed | 17:51 |
| elnino | a lot | 17:51 |
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| +BartJol | ah, different work? | 17:55 |
| elnino | well, still working on a foreclosed home. which is taking much more longer than | 17:56 |
| elnino | I thougt it would | 17:57 |
| elnino | then I got stiches in my dominant hand. | 17:57 |
| elnino | I quit working for a crazy lady. | 17:57 |
| elnino | and now I'm expecting #3 | 17:57 |
| elnino | needless to say, I'm thinking I'm not doing much web work anymore. =( | 17:58 |
| elnino | I miss you all! | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always come to visit :) | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and congrats on #3! | 17:58 |
| elnino | I will and thanks! | 17:58 |
| +BartJol | good luck with it all | 18:03 |
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| Trex___ | Hello folks. I've got an upgrade question. We're working out the process for a major upgrade (7.5.38 to 7.9.20), and while we've resolved a number of issues, there's one that I'd like some input on. | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, what's the hiccup? | 18:07 |
| Trex___ | At the first step upgrading from 7.8 to 7.9 (7.8.24 to 7.9.11) the upgrade script re-indexes the site. At this point, we see a LOT of errors. File formats that can't be converted, or converters that appear to be missing. My question is -- should we be worried about this with respect to the integrety of WebGUI itself? | 18:08 |
| Trex___ | Or is it just that certain uploads aren't going to be properly indexed, which only will impact the searchability of content? | 18:08 |
| @preaction | if the indexers are having a problem now, they've probably always had a problem | 18:08 |
| @preaction | for example, i don't think they can index protected PDFs | 18:09 |
| Trex___ | Yes...one of the errors I've seen is "File is encrypted" | 18:09 |
| Trex___ | What about the error "Can't open perl script "/data/wre/bin/rtf2txt.pl": No such file or directory"? Does the WRE not include a RTF to TXT converter? | 18:10 |
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| @preaction | does that file exist? perhaps it got moved to the prereqs directory? | 18:10 |
| Trex___ | It doesn't seem to exist at all on our system. | 18:11 |
| Trex___ | Doesn't appear to be part of the latest WRE. (We're also upgrading the WRE at this time) | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in the prereqs/bin directory | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I'm seeing in recent config files, they should all be in /data/wre/bin | 18:12 |
| Trex___ | In that directory we have doc2txt, pdf2txt, ppt2txt and xls2txt, both in our production site (wre 0.8.5, I believe) and our test server on the latest wre (0.9.3) | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I hear preaction madly searching through the pre-release of the new WRE. Let's wait and see what he says. | 18:16 |
| @preaction | nope, if you can't find it, it might not be there anymore | 18:16 |
| Trex___ | Is there going to be a new WRE release pre-WG 8? | 18:17 |
| @preaction | there will be two WRE releases along with 8, one as the last 7.x WRE, and one for the 8.x WRE | 18:18 |
| Trex___ | We have definitely noticed the large number of CPAN modules that you need to add to the latest WRE in order to run the latest WebGUI. | 18:19 |
| @preaction | yes. the newest WRE compiles on 64-bit systems, which has delayed its release. 8 is also far more important, as cpan does work to install modules | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, speaking of 64-bit... | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | did you get my message about Storable? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | one of these days Colin, one of these days... | 18:21 |
| @preaction | what one? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | and, we could stop using Storable in the CHI, as JSON::XS is actually faster | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it was a forum posting about Storable dying in the new 64-bit WRE | 18:26 |
| @preaction | oh, that. dunno | 18:27 |
| @preaction | my guess is still that the old storable wrote a file that the new storable is trying to read | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | he'd mentioned that they'd cleared the cache | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that was what flagged my interest | 18:34 |
| @preaction | might not be in our cache directory | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it would be in a PM backlog somewhere that you keep? | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Storable does write stuff into storage locations... | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | found it: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/weatherdata-module-stopped-working.#idqxKinbxs1uo32oNDT5RpvA | 18:49 |
| @preaction | i'll take a look i guess, now that you've done all that work in finding it again | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I was wrong about the 64-bit part | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but it does use the new WRE | 18:53 |
| Trex___ | Related to our upgrade testing, one thing I've noticed is that during a fresh WRE install, you are never presented with a rather important message that: "The version of WebGUI that the WRE just installed may not be compatible with the WRE. Run testEnvironment to install any new prerequisites BEFORE attempting to start WebGUI." | 19:03 |
| Trex___ | This should probably be added somewhere to /data/wre/docs/install.txt and the wiki. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Trex__: I believe that every upgrade instruction on the wiki and manuals say that after installing a new WebGUI to upgrade, you read the gotchas and run testE | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE wouldn't know about the new versions of WebGUI | 19:04 |
| Trex___ | This is for a fresh install of WebGUI -- imagine you are a new person wanting to try out WebGUI and you are following the instructions in /data/wre/docs/install.txt | 19:05 |
| Trex___ | ...or http://www.webgui.org/wiki/wre-installation | 19:05 |
| Trex___ | If you follow the steps to the letter, you get to "Go to the 'Services' tab and start mod_proxy..." and modperl fails to load. | 19:06 |
| Trex___ | Someone new to WebGUI wouldn't expect to have to read the gotchas or upgrade information for a fresh install. | 19:07 |
| Trex___ | There is a comment at the bottom of the Wiki page, but it doesn't indicate at what point to run testEnvironment or why it's necessary. And the comment doesn't exist in the install.txt file. | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | then I need to eat some crow | 19:11 |
| Trex___ | I'd be happy to volunteer to update the Wiki, but it's hard to work into the current text. At step 8 you are asked to follow the on screen instructions to complete configuration, and from that point forward, the user is in the web interface, which doesn't mention needing to go back to the command line. | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, what we're talking about would never work with an automated install of WebGUI | 19:14 |
| Trex___ | Unless you could work testEnvironment into the installation script itself? | 19:15 |
| Trex___ | As it is, the WRE installation script only really works for versions of WebGUI that run on the libraries included in that version of the WRE. | 19:16 |
| Trex___ | But the install script will happily download the latest (incompatible) version without warning. | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's another problem | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's why I never, ever use the automated WRE install for WebGUI | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't let you read the gotchas | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or do anything really useful | 19:17 |
| Trex___ | The WebGUI download page points directly to the WRE installation wiki page, so if you want more people to try out WebGUI and start using it, it might be worthwhile updating the wiki page to make it easier to successfully install WebGUI? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | let's not confuse "using the WRE" with "having WRE automatically install WebGUI for you" | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | using the WRE is fine | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | having it install WebGUI for you is generally not | 19:22 |
| Trex___ | "The WebGUI Runtime Environment (WRE) includes WebGUI and all prerequisites so that installation is quick and easy. Installing WebGUI through these platform-specific binaries is highly recommended." | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | That statement is not correct | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE doesn't include WebGUI | 19:24 |
| @preaction | well, i gave my input on that forum request, but i'm not sure they're gonna like it | 19:25 |
| @preaction | i mean, asking a normal user to run strace and interpret the output is bad, right? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but not all of our users are normal | 19:26 |
| @preaction | true | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | funny story: http://www.katu.com/news/local/114647584.html | 19:27 |
| Trex___ | Aside from the obvious comment that perhpas inaccurate information shouldn't appear on the main project download page, what is the recommended way of installing WebGUI + WRE, and how can a prospective user find it on the WebGUI website? | 19:27 |
| @preaction | i would recommend WRE + wreconsole.pl to install WebGUI, but you still need testEnvironment.pl atm | 19:29 |
| @preaction | unless you're on a 64-bit platform, then i'd recommend a source install | 19:29 |
| Trex___ | So perhaps between the current steps 8 and 9 on http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation it would be good to include a step to return to the shell and run testEnvironment? | 19:30 |
| @preaction | probably, at least for now | 19:31 |
| CIA-78 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r80d18b7 / wre/docs/install.txt : Add install step for catching new dependencies. - http://bit.ly/g0Xx94 | 19:32 |
| Trex___ | Heh. Thanks, Colin. I was just going to propose adding a bug ticket for getting the info into install.txt. | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | done | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | for a long overdue 1-liner we can do it right-off | 19:34 |
| @preaction | so two things we desperately need in WebGUI: A full asset service. A fast ORM app builder | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I get the ORM, but that is "a full asset service"? | 19:39 |
| @preaction | curl http://webgui.org/home.json <- get me /home as json | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, like URL Dispatch | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but fully implemented | 19:40 |
| @preaction | PUT http://webgui.org/home?title=value <- save a new title on home | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | auth? | 19:40 |
| @preaction | JT made a few slides, i'll see if i can get them off him as a PDF or something | 19:40 |
| @preaction | of course auth/perms | 19:40 |
| @preaction | but a way to simply interact with the values stored in the asset and metadata systems | 19:41 |
| @preaction | then we can build JS objects around those APIs, and bam! i can make some cool stuff with very little overall effort | 19:41 |
| @preaction | like a task calendar, i can click a checkbox and the task is marked completed and updated on the server | 19:43 |
| @preaction | our apps need to be extensible and flexible so we can turn them into solutions | 19:43 |
| @preaction | also, i need to synergize our sprockets so we can leverage web 2.0 capabilities and forward-think newspeak double-plus good | 19:44 |
| scrottie0 | I second the motion to run this collaborative innovation up a flagpole to see if it hits the ground running. | 19:47 |
| @preaction | hmm, but perhaps we should table this until we can shuffle some resources around, reprioritize our visions and buy a bunch of coke for this rave party we're having | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you just went all buzz-wordy | 19:48 |
| @preaction | https://github.com/documentcloud/backbone <- "MVC" framework for JS. seems like an awesome start for a service | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, now I can understand you again | 19:51 |
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| scrottie0 | ugh. | 20:06 |
| +BartJol | what's up scrottie | 20:11 |
| +BartJol | not enough coffee? | 20:12 |
| scrottie0 | preaction's MVC framework for JS "seems like an awesome start for a service" | 20:12 |
| +BartJol | but? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | https://github.com/documentcloud/backbone <- for those at home | 20:12 |
| +BartJol | isn't JS evil? | 20:13 |
| @preaction | no | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | JS is completely evil | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | everything should be perl | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | no JS in the browser, perl | 20:17 |
| @preaction | i think the python people might have something to say about that | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | no python, they can build some perl module which enforces silly rules about whitespace | 20:18 |
| scrottie0 | hey, pugs had a JS backend. you could compile your Perl 6 to JS. | 20:19 |
| scrottie0 | pugs++ parrot-- | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | pugs was also slower than molasses in winter | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but it was very cool | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, in fairness, it was also the earliest, most complete young perl6 implementation | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and it had a test suite | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and without it, parrot-now may never have gotten off the ground | 20:20 |
| scrottie0 | it's a lot easier to imagine a path to generating code for LLVM from pugs than Rakudu/parrot. | 20:23 |
| scrottie0 | or other compilers or interpreters. | 20:23 |
| scrottie0 | bootstrapping a faster compiler would be harder. | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I've decided that I don't want a pony anymore | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I want Template::Toolkit for WebGUI 7.10 | 20:46 |
| @preaction | how about Text::Xslate's TT dialect? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Does it do everything that TT does, and will it allow us to use TT plugins? | 20:50 |
| @preaction | yes, there is a slower one that lets you use tt plugins | 20:51 |
| scrottie0 | PHP. | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | troll | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want PHP, go use PHPGui | 20:52 |
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| * perlDreamer takes an early lunch, and considers XSlate | 20:53 | |
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| BartJol | that was a long lunchbreak | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought about WebGUI a lot. Does that count? | 23:37 |
| BartJol | sure | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the monitor? | 23:37 |
| BartJol | well less and less errors | 23:38 |
| @preaction | you should replace it with a machine that goes PING | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good! | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | they aren't WebGUI errors, are they? | 23:38 |
| * perlDreamer has a sudden picutre of Bart laughing gleefully and plotting to submit lots of bugs | 23:38 | |
| BartJol | well, we do habe a machine that goes "PING" | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but Koen's always hogging it and not sharing? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | i'm adding hundreds of WebGUI::Test::Mechanize tests. is this bad? | 23:43 |
| BartJol | well I have a machine that goes "PING" | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, it will be slow | 23:44 |
| @preaction | so yes, it's bad | 23:44 |
| @preaction | but i like having integration tests that show real problems that users will have, instead of API problems that devs will have :'( | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't say slow was bad | 23:45 |
| @preaction | oh, right, imma set up buildbot when i figure out how at my other job | 23:45 |
| @preaction | then we don't have to worry! | 23:45 |
| @preaction | buildbot is hella cool | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | "other job" ? | 23:47 |
| @preaction | plus, these tests are so easy to make | 23:47 |
| @preaction | http://doublecluepon.com <- game programmer | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | python?? | 23:47 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and to think I used to send you cookies! | 23:48 |
| @preaction | Perl doesn't have a good AMF3 library, python does | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | build it | 23:48 |
| @preaction | plus i like learning new things and applying them to my old knowledge | 23:48 |
| @preaction | but i also learned AS3 too | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | if you start indenting perl code funny.... | 23:49 |
| @preaction | nope | 23:50 |
| @preaction | i haven't yet have i? | 23:50 |
| @preaction | you should probably be more concerned over my AS3 knowledge, no automated testing available, as you need the flash vm to do anything | 23:50 |
| @preaction | and if anything, since it's in python i decided "hey lets use buildbot", then i found "hey, this is like exactly what i wanted for webgui" | 23:52 |
| @preaction | i also learned make, and make is awesome | 23:52 |
| @preaction | autoconf is still a pile of crap though | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | make rocks | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | we used to assemble and test chips with make | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | really? like software that tests the circuit for you? | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | software that assembles Verilog harnesses with units to test and test fixtures and regresses them with automatically generated microcode | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with behavioral models of the analog, and the actual digital | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | then, you take the digital stimulus and run it through a format converter, and it makes production test code for the digital side | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's true black box testing | 00:01 |
| @preaction | nice | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | doing that kind of automation is where I honed my perl skills | 00:02 |
| @preaction | so if each test block i write adds 2 seconds to total test run, and i have 100 more test blocks to write... | 00:04 |
| @preaction | not counting the template-based forms i have to migrate, just the uses of HTMLForm and TabForm | 00:04 |
| @preaction | i'm probably going to end up bumping our full test runs by 10-20 minutes | 00:06 |
| @preaction | but, every single input form will be tested. so if the user can interact with the site, there's a test for it | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | if everyone takes two seconds, you're doing something wrong | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | use Test::Class or !Test::Sweet | 00:14 |
| @preaction | it's less, i'm just guessing | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | with the interpreter start-up time, it'll take at least a second | 00:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, are we still trying to keep to strict object/database encapsulation? | 01:56 |
| @preaction | how so? | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to return a list of userIds/usernames for members of a group | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | for small sites, it would be faster to do the join | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but for big sites, it would be faster to build the objects and ask them | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so based on that, I should go strict | 01:57 |
| @preaction | probably yes | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and not join the users table to groupGroupings | 01:58 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:40 |
| daviddelikat | hey SDuensin | 17:05 |
| daviddelikat | howzitgoin | 17:05 |
| SDuensin | Not too bad. Arguing with Cygwin. | 17:07 |
| SDuensin | Jimmy Buffett concert starting on Radio Margaritaville, so that's good. :-) | 17:08 |
| daviddelikat | I'm arguing with dzil | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | uploaded my first module | 17:43 |
| daviddelikat | to CPAN | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | called Test::Bomb | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | its a time bomb for test scripts | 17:44 |
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| @scrottie | afkbrbwthbbq | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | scrottie's back! | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yo-hyd-whassup? | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | ah, you know, the usual... | 21:00 |
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| sbaur | <grumble> the new security setup on my hosted servers makes setting up my test environments a real pain </grumble> | 00:30 |
| @preaction | yep | 00:30 |
| @preaction | i personally blame windows for not having a good ssh implementation | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | there's nothing inherently wrong with windows | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as you throw out usability, cost and security | 00:32 |
| @preaction | what else is there to throw out? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | the window? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | HA! | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | games! | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you can't have reliability either | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can have games! | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and office software (that is expensive, unusable, insecure and unreliable) | 00:33 |
| sbaur | i'm just grumbling because i have to now copy umpteen gigabytes to my local computer before I can copy it to my vm instead of copying it directly, so I can test the current versions of my sites. | 00:33 |
| @preaction | we can make a firewall exception for your vm | 00:33 |
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| sbaur | are you willing to do it for a range of IPs? | 00:34 |
| @preaction | they're your servers, i could disable the whole lot if you wanted me to. i'd recommend against it, but it comes with the big disclaimer that "if they break in, i get to laugh and say 'I told you so' as i fix it" | 00:35 |
| sbaur | and, since i'm scp'ing my files around, will i need to setup specific users with specific keys | 00:35 |
| @preaction | well, you could add the keys to your sbaur user, and set it all up to use that user | 00:35 |
| sbaur | hmmmm | 00:36 |
| * sbaur goes off to see if i can get this working | 00:36 | |
| @preaction | but yes, we have the same internal problem, which we fix by opening a hole in the firewall, enabling password ssh for a while, and performing the task, then reversing the hole and disabling password login | 00:36 |
| @preaction | it's more work, to be sure, but i'm not spending 72 hours rebuilding my hosting infrastructure again | 00:37 |
| @preaction | i could probably even script it, and then get cfengine3 to manage it for me | 00:37 |
| sbaur | oohh, cfengine3 -- are you using that to manage apache configs too? i started down that road with puppet, and ran into a huge brick wall in my ability to template the files | 00:38 |
| @preaction | hopefully i'll have time soon for that | 00:40 |
| @preaction | and yes, i want to manage our WRE with cfengine3, using automat to configure cfengine3 and using cfengine3 to push those changes out | 00:40 |
| @preaction | but i want to start by managing the rest of it, making sure sshd is checksummed, the configs are sane, etc... | 00:41 |
| sbaur | hmmm, i'm so close with my second key from my vm | 00:50 |
| sbaur | I'm getting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host -- is this firewall on my server? (it seems to get into cellardoor just fine) | 00:51 |
| @preaction | try using -vv in the ssh command, also cellardoor may not know about your key, and then wouldn't let you in. also make sure your .ssh/config is correct | 00:51 |
| sbaur | .config is copied from my workstation where it is working fine | 00:52 |
| sbaur | if cellardoor needs to know about my key, then that's the problem | 00:52 |
| sbaur | what's the best way to send it to you? | 00:52 |
| @preaction | via a private support ticket on plainblack.com | 00:52 |
| sbaur | ok | 00:53 |
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| andyiomoon | morning/afternoon/evening all where ever you may be | 03:34 |
| andyiomoon | being a man with a tentative grasp of just one language I have not paid much heed to internationalization.. so I was wondering if I could ask a couple of dumb questions? | 03:35 |
| andyiomoon | one dumb question actually - if I wanted to provide content on my site in more than one language (let's say english, dutch, german and spanish) - how would I go about getting translated versions of my content? I presume internationlization only covers WebGUI's internal text... like form labels, tags, admin screens etc | 03:39 |
| andyiomoon | Am I right in assuming I would need to hire a 3rd party to perform translation services for me? | 03:39 |
| andyiomoon | afk but please feel free to laugh at me in my absence :) | 03:41 |
| scrottie0 | you can internationalize whatever text you like. | 03:52 |
| scrottie0 | it's not so much a feature as a sort of routine... | 03:53 |
| scrottie0 | and I mean routine in the gymnastic sense. | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | there have been many plans for ways to i18n content, but none have come to fruition due to lack of funds/interest | 04:18 |
| @preaction | the US Embassies do it one way, some other site uses Macros, and i've got a couple ways we could implement it in the core, but nothing core yet | 04:18 |
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| andyiomoon | thanks for the info on i18n | 04:56 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: btw, it is friday | 16:36 |
| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:53 |
| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay, Friday! | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | friday, the day for boring stuff like moving 250 GB of old backups | 18:32 |
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| @frodwith | Anyone ever played with Data::Thunk? Seems like it'd be terribly useful for rarely-used template variables. | 18:40 |
| scrottie0 | got a WebGUI install here with a folder of WebGUI::Asset::File::Image assets. clicking the images in the folder in Firefox, it shows the image. clicking them in MSIE (various), some of them show as images, others show as broken images. there's no apparent pattern as to which are broken given various people testing this with IE. | 18:44 |
| scrottie0 | does this sound like a familiar problem to anyone? debugging intermittent failures is less than appealing. | 18:45 |
| @frodwith | screenshot? | 18:45 |
| scrottie0 | of the broken image or of the folder view? | 18:46 |
| @frodwith | well, I guess I want to see them being clicked and see what happens | 18:47 |
| @frodwith | but | 18:47 |
| @frodwith | maybe that's not necessary. um.... broken image. | 18:47 |
| @frodwith | like, the url is site/uploads/wtf/ever/something.jpg | 18:47 |
| @frodwith | and ...yes i want a screenshot of the borken image | 18:48 |
| * scrottie0 shares frodwith's link, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17469/ie6-cant-load-a-normal-jpg, with the rest of the channel | 19:14 | |
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| +bartjol | cleints that call that their application is broken on friday on 18.00 should get a really large bill | 19:44 |
| +bartjol | especially when it's their fault | 19:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | scrottie0: IE doesn't handle PNGs very well | 20:01 |
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| Haarg | ie6 has problems with png alpha transparency but should still always show the image in some form | 20:08 |
| scrottie0 | yup. the images that wouldn't open, in this case, were ones that were pretty clearly intended for print. it looks like frodwith's guess is a ringer. I haven't opened them in Photoshop and looked at the jpg properties as the article suggested, but they are out of Photoshop CS3. | 20:19 |
| scrottie0 | and they are jpgs, not pngs. I uploaded a png screenshot of ie6 displaying a broken image icon but no one is having any trouble with that png. | 20:19 |
| scrottie0 | so, IE has trouble with jpgs *and* pngs. and bmps semi-recently could buffer overflow, and so on, and so forth. | 20:20 |
| Haarg | you could spend a lifetime making a list of the things ie has trouble with | 20:25 |
| scrottie0 | oh yeah. worse of all, it can't handle <img src="data:image/png;base64, style images. useless! | 20:29 |
| scrottie0 | and can it even do xpms, speaking of ascii-encoded in-line image formats? | 20:29 |
| scrottie0 | MSIE can't even display this simple animated gif: gopher://port70.net/I.chan/937.gif | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: they recommend sub-classing Data::ICal to make a custom generator. Do you prefer a module name over WebGUI::ICal ? | 20:45 |
| @preaction | wait, why subclassing? | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Data::ICal provides a product_id method that's hard-coded to return Data::ICal v2.30 | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | our ICal feed has something different | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | to change that, they recommend sub-classing | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | our feed is WebGUI $WebGUI::VERSION-$WebGUI::STATUS | 21:50 |
| @preaction | and we have to subclass for that :( | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | "Returns the product ID used in the calendar's "PRODID" property; you may wish to override this in a subclass for your | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | own application." | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you only have to override one method, and we could do it via monkey patching, but I'd rather not | 21:52 |
| @preaction | alright, i guess we do it | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if we don't really care what it says, then we don't have to subclass | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm trying to stay as historically correct as possible | 21:53 |
| @preaction | it'd be nice to know where the feed is coming from, if in the future we have to mangle it somehow | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Data::ICal is a nice little module | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that since we're using new modules that this is 7.10 only? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | or do we fall into the bugfix clause? | 21:57 |
| * perlDreamer will ponder that during lunch and wait for your feedback | 21:57 | |
| @preaction | is it a bugfix? | 21:57 |
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| scrottie0 | dammit, imap won't stay up. and the Mac is freaking out. | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's a bugfix | 23:03 |
| @preaction | then go for it | 23:03 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 23:51 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: have you even seen this.. | 23:51 |
| +SynQ | I have one site that sets up tens of connections to the database server | 23:52 |
| +SynQ | more then 100 even | 23:52 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/12031 <- anyone got a minute to weigh in? I don't think prototypes should inherit anything from the parent asset, as it doesn't adhere to "Least Possible Surprise" and "Expected Behavior" | 23:58 |
| Haarg | what about permissions? | 23:59 |
| @preaction | why inherit? in jeldroubi's use-case, it shouldn't, as the users can't be trusted to understand what permissions do what | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | i guess i don't see the difference, maybe it is only style that should be removed from this feature | 00:01 |
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| +SynQ | hmm | 00:05 |
| +SynQ | problem solved | 00:05 |
| Haarg | i tend to think of prototypes as copying the content of something into a new location on a site. given that, you would want it to fit with the new location's permissions and style. | 00:07 |
| @preaction | right, but the argument in the RFE is that the app itself has a tailored style template for that section of the site | 00:10 |
| Haarg | style i can see going either way. the only way to satisfy everyone would involve adding a ton of complexity. | 00:11 |
| @preaction | which i won't do | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | If anyone doesn't like the style, they can edit it after the fact | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but a prototype should be a carbon copy | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | not like a package | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | although I'd guess that people want both types of behavior with that, too | 02:34 |
| @preaction | right, but let's go for "most common case" so we don't have to go ape on adding "config options" | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | "please put your head close to the monitor so we can read your mind" | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, might have found a bug in Data::ICal | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't seem to wrap text correctly | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but maybe it's due to the iCal feed creator inside the Calendar | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | time to replace that, and try again | 03:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, each event should know how to return itself as a Data::ICal object | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that way, inheritance works again... | 04:22 |
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| carogray | I am just trying out Survey to use as quiz. | 13:59 |
| carogray | Built section with questions, but when I Take Survey - get nothing | 13:59 |
| carogray | practicing on WebGUI Demo | 13:59 |
| carogray | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1296388947_193 bottom of home page | 14:00 |
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| @preaction | it's a good webgui day! | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I would like to suggest that we drop the uploads handling by modproxy | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | modproxy checks for the existance of a wgaccess file | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and every storage location that is created through the interface has a wgaccess file | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since it has an ownerUserId | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that means that every upload is being handled by modperl | 20:00 |
| @preaction | unless one or more of the privileges is "Everyone", then it should not have a wgaccess | 20:00 |
| * perlDreamer keeps looking | 20:00 | |
| @preaction | and i agree, but only when sendfile is supported | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, you're right | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing is written if it has Visitor or Everyone | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, the iCal work is coming along really well | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a branch where all the ical is parsed and made via Data::ICal | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll be doing timezones today | 20:06 |
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| ckotil | yeah im getting bit by the uploads dir not checking to see that a user is logged in | 20:42 |
| ckotil | pD has been helping me on the baords. | 20:42 |
| @preaction | webgui won't send a WWW-Authenticate header if you don't have permissions for the uploads directory afaik | 20:44 |
| @preaction | hmm... maybe i should convert our books to markdown and put them in a github repo | 20:45 |
| ckotil | preaction: can we call the behavior a bug? | 20:55 |
| ckotil | s/the/that/ | 20:55 |
| @preaction | i'd defer to my colleague, perlDreamer, if he were here | 21:25 |
| ckotil | he's asked that i do some debugging and compare sessionIds and userIds | 21:27 |
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