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| sany_ok | Hello, Please let me know where can I see the latest v8 git commits? | 19:11 |
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| sany_ok | At https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/branches I see 2-3 months ago and about 2 years ago | 19:13 |
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| tomsuited | hellow, is some actually here ? | 10:26 |
| tomsuited | i just want to ask here, since internet is not very helpwell when trying to ask more complex things :p | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | why are there dll's to download | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | why are there NO dlls | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | i mean | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | or are there ? | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | i see webgui update and like 5°0 steps to update | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | when i download it, i get all sort of files with perl etc | 10:27 |
| tomsuited | are these to make the actual DLL files ? | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | why go trough this incredible hassle ? | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | and just put dlls of windows and or linux | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | on the site | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | just an idea | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | i may be looking at it the wrong way ? can some1 help | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | . | 10:28 |
| tomsuited | ? | 10:28 |
| haarg | what are you expecting DLL files? what would you do with them? | 10:29 |
| tomsuited | the DLL files | 10:32 |
| tomsuited | is webgui not ? | 10:32 |
| tomsuited | so when i replace them | 10:32 |
| tomsuited | i would have updated webgui | 10:32 |
| tomsuited | or not ? | 10:32 |
| tomsuited | that automatic installer | 10:44 |
| tomsuited | with perl | 10:44 |
| tomsuited | i dont get why i need to do this | 10:44 |
| tomsuited | is this to create the dlls ? | 10:44 |
| tomsuited | ? :( | 11:01 |
| tomsuited | not the channel to ask stuff here i guess | 11:01 |
| haarg | none of your questions make any sense | 11:04 |
| haarg | and it doesn't seem like you know what dll files are | 11:05 |
| tomsuited | just compiled programs | 11:14 |
| tomsuited | that you can use in your code | 11:14 |
| tomsuited | i have a working webgui app | 11:14 |
| tomsuited | i just want to update it | 11:14 |
| tomsuited | to the last version | 11:14 |
| tomsuited | now its like 6.x.x | 11:14 |
| xdanger | webgui is a perl program that you attach to your apache webserver | 11:15 |
| xdanger | not a windows program | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | ok | 11:15 |
| xdanger | nothing to compile | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | when you try it locally | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | on your local pc | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | i do it with Visual studio | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | you need to install webgui from scratch | 11:15 |
| xdanger | that has nothing to do with webgui | 11:15 |
| tomsuited | hm | 11:16 |
| xdanger | I'm not even sure if you can run it on windows. You'll need apache and mysql server and perl interpreter | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | im most certain | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | that i can be done | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | since there is a server | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | in my company | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | succesfully running it | 11:16 |
| tomsuited | but its running 1 website with the last version | 11:17 |
| tomsuited | and 1 | 11:17 |
| tomsuited | with the 6.4 version | 11:17 |
| tomsuited | and i find this VERY trange | 11:17 |
| tomsuited | cause i would think they usethe same WEBGUI files ? | 11:17 |
| tomsuited | or is my reasoning wrong, then please telle | 11:18 |
| xdanger | I'm not sure what your reasoning is. | 11:18 |
| tomsuited | these 2 sites are on the same server | 11:18 |
| tomsuited | :) | 11:18 |
| xdanger | webgui is upgraded by installing a newer version over the older version and running the upgrade scripts | 11:19 |
| xdanger | but from 6.4.x it's going to be a little harder | 11:19 |
| tomsuited | mm | 11:19 |
| tomsuited | i had that impression | 11:19 |
| xdanger | I think you have to upgrade to the last 6.x.x version before goint to 7.x | 11:19 |
| tomsuited | manually ? | 11:19 |
| xdanger | I don't remember anymore if that is the case, 6.x was so long time ago | 11:20 |
| xdanger | well you have to have some knowledge of linux and console stuff, but I could be as easy as extracting the files from tar archive and running few commands | 11:21 |
| xdanger | but you probably will also need to upgrade your perl libraries or even your perl | 11:21 |
| xdanger | If you are asking about dll, I'm asuming that you are not so familiar with the unix ideology adn would recommend that you hire a consultant that has some expertice on that field | 11:23 |
| xdanger | since webgui 6.4.0 was released in 4 March 2005, it's almost 9 year out of date... | 11:29 |
| tomsuited | lol | 11:30 |
| tomsuited | and just starting over | 11:30 |
| tomsuited | is not an option ? | 11:30 |
| tomsuited | maybe a better one | 11:30 |
| tomsuited | but i dont get it | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | the other project | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | which is up to date | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | i can run fine in my visual studio | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | i only installed an installer | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | from webgui | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | runtime | 11:31 |
| tomsuited | i need to find a simple scheme | 11:32 |
| tomsuited | in which is explained what is coupled to what | 11:32 |
| xdanger | are you sure your talking about the right webgui? | 11:32 |
| xdanger | there is also http://www.visualwebgui.com which is not an opensource project | 11:33 |
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| xdanger | this channel is for http://www.webgui.org, and has nothing to do with vistual studio | 11:34 |
| xdanger | http://www.visualwebgui.com/products/visual-web-gui/ really seems like better fit to your line of questioning | 11:36 |
| tomsuited | omg | 11:53 |
| tomsuited | is this totally different in fact ? | 11:53 |
| tomsuited | so visual webgui | 12:02 |
| tomsuited | uses other ways | 12:02 |
| tomsuited | than the 'normal' webgui | 12:02 |
| tomsuited | to display it on the server ? | 12:02 |
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| ckotil | heh | 14:12 |
| tomsuited | ? | 14:50 |
| tomsuited | visual webgui gives the dlls | 14:50 |
| tomsuited | that im looking for | 14:51 |
| tomsuited | i wished it was all clear | 14:51 |
| tomsuited | but its not | 14:51 |
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| ckotil | tomsuited: this isn't the channel for visualwebgui | 16:18 |
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| @scrottie | would now be a good time to talk about wG8? | 17:56 |
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| haarg | scrottie: does it have dlls? | 18:14 |
| @scrottie | haarg, no, I swear an oath on my the grave of my great, great, great, great grandfather that it does not (ref http://slowass.net/~scott/pics/linda-scans/gils_rasmus_navelsaker_the_gr_gr_gr_grandfather_in_norway.jpg) | 18:19 |
| @scrottie | thought I have to say foobar2000.exe is the best music player out there, and when I actually need to create an MS Word document, I fire up winword.exe under wine also. wine++ | 18:20 |
| @scrottie | I want to try to sell wG to the boarder Perl audiance. specifically, I want them to *fund* it. I'm interested in people here's thoughts on that. | 18:24 |
| @scrottie | I'm sorry I didn't do this in my last year of unemployment, but I was having a smashing time building an advocacy organization and meeting with state and city politicians every day =) | 18:25 |
| haarg | i'd be tempted to use foobar2000 via wine if i often listened to music via my laptop | 18:26 |
| @scrottie | I guess I could walk across the street to Long Wongs more often and listen to live music while I code >=) | 18:28 |
| @scrottie | what do you listen to then? | 18:28 |
| @scrottie | ... except I'm not in Tempe at the moment. | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | well, it's pretty quiet in here, but please ping me at scott@slowass.net if you'd like to chat about work needed to fix and finish wG8 and make it more of a direct upgrade path. | 18:44 |
| @scrottie | and get new user adoption going. cripes. | 18:44 |
| haarg | if i'm not on my desktop i generally use my phone for music | 18:46 |
| @scrottie | oh. | 18:46 |
| haarg | i'm always around to share thoughts on backend stuff. i've never had much use for a cms though so i'm not one to put forth a ton of effort. | 18:47 |
| @scrottie | thanks, haarg. you're invaluable for those infrequent but really hard questions, actually. | 18:48 |
| @scrottie | the Perl community has been trying to figure out how to gain more visibility. several people in the community are acting as pundits for this. Perl is having a lot of the same problems that wG is: lack of new users, poor image (outdated, crufty, hard to use) | 18:50 |
| @scrottie | people who do startups in perl don't advertise the fact, so there's lack of visibility. lack of killer apps in Perl so that doesn't draw people in. | 18:51 |
| @scrottie | I want to argue that Perl *needs* wG. CMSes in other languages have done loads to drive adoption for those languages. Wordpress, Drupal, etc bring people in to the language. | 18:51 |
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| @scrottie | and I want to Kickstarter this. | 18:52 |
| @scrottie | I want to try to get the Perl community to fund finishing danny_mk's reworked admin (which is awesome, and I'm trying to help him with it), my installer, a back-compat layer, performance upgrades (we made Alumni run about 4x as fast using HandlerSocket; I want to use more HS by default and I think I can make wG8 about 8 times as fast as it currently is) | 18:53 |
| @scrottie | I'm really interested in people willing to give me feedback on a written up proposal. | 18:54 |
| @scrottie | I need to sell wG to people to do this, so endorcements of wG as a CMS from people would be huge. | 18:55 |
| @scrottie | feedback on the basic idea welcome. and feedback on the goals. and ideas for rewards. | 18:56 |
| @scrottie | wait, I think I already mentioned this. crap. I was talking about my octopus that runs wG. I'm an idiot. | 18:56 |
| @scrottie | sorry for the spam. | 18:57 |
| ckotil | i like idea of Wg8 gaining some traction | 18:57 |
| ckotil | first ive heard of it | 18:57 |
| @scrottie | ckotil++ | 18:57 |
| ckotil | kickstart would be interesting. tho i really dunno how many people would get behind it. | 18:57 |
| @scrottie | yeah, completely agreed. | 18:58 |
| @scrottie | the only way it would go is if Matt Trout and a lot of the Perl old guard helped promote the idea. | 18:58 |
| @scrottie | so I've been writing a lot of emails to try to feel them out and get buy in before I do it. | 18:58 |
| ckotil | wg8, the cms that saves perl, sure does have a nice ring to it | 18:59 |
| @scrottie | "wG7, the CMS that sucks a lot less than the ones in Python and PHP" would be a really good start in that quest. | 19:00 |
| @scrottie | I have some war stories but I want some more (HI EVERYONE!) | 19:00 |
| ckotil | it's worked out very well for my group | 19:00 |
| ckotil | surviving TWO rounds of re-assessment | 19:00 |
| ckotil | turns out there just isnt anything out there as flexible and feature rich as wg7 | 19:01 |
| @scrottie | talking to Perl people, they're skeptical (cynical?) that anyone ever used wG or that it's any good at all. things have to be mindblowly awesome in a high tech nerdy way before they give a rats ass about it. | 19:01 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, would you be willing to send a brief writeup with whatever specifics you can to me at scott@slowass.net? | 19:01 |
| ckotil | sure | 19:02 |
| @scrottie | thank you | 19:02 |
| @scrottie | one thing doing for this project is I don't have babies so I can work cheap (apologies to people who do have babies). | 19:02 |
| @scrottie | hrm, I need corporate sponsors. | 19:06 |
| ckotil | how come PB has seeminly dropped this? | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | here's the saga | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | PB was paying one guy to do wG8 | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | they had a full time staffer working on this for a year and a half | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | this staffer, like all of the PB staffers, was smart and motivated, but he seemed to have a really hard time not opening more cans of worms | 19:09 |
| @scrottie | I spent a week fixing as much stuff as I could in the wG8 admin and took it from mostly broken to mostly working in one week. | 19:09 |
| @scrottie | looking at the code, it was pretty obvious that he had built stuff that works, but just wasn't quite happy with the feature set so he kept adding to it and never called it done. | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | I think that was a pattern for the whole thing. | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | no major version release tried to do even half as much stuff. | 19:10 |
| ckotil | ah, ok . that makes sense. i followed the progress of that. even tried some builds of wg8 | 19:11 |
| @scrottie | the other half is consulting work died off | 19:11 |
| @scrottie | PB just didn't have as many new clients coming in, I think related to the lack of releases | 19:12 |
| @scrottie | and the install process and other things made wG less and less competative | 19:12 |
| @scrottie | as clients dropped off (some major gov clients had orders from above to standardize on other systems, for example), no new clients were taking their place | 19:13 |
| @scrottie | so there was no income to pay for wG8 development | 19:13 |
| ckotil | aww | 19:13 |
| @scrottie | long overdue major version + lack of client interest + lack of money = scrapped project | 19:13 |
| ckotil | yeah i noticed the decline. at one point PB had a few large .gov clients | 19:13 |
| ckotil | ther was one other group at my university using WG. but they jumped ship too | 19:13 |
| @scrottie | yeah. they knew for a long time that those could go away at any time. | 19:14 |
| @scrottie | wG not being mainstream enough has serious hurt it in gov and institutional use. no one can re-evaluate its use and not ask if maybe they shouldn't be using something more mainstream. | 19:14 |
| @scrottie | so the only option is to take it more mainstream. | 19:14 |
| haarg | i have mixed feelings about the Moose integration in 8. some parts were definitely an improvement. but it probably went rather too far into meta land. and unfortunately it was my first in depth use of Moose. | 19:14 |
| haarg | the best part about it was also the part that was the largest compatibility break though | 19:15 |
| @scrottie | haarg, agreed. I'd like to rework and simplify some of that but I think things user see (install process in particular, and the admin) need to happen first. | 19:15 |
| haarg | the install process always bothered me | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | yeah. and I already picked your brain a bit about a compat shim and I want to talk about that more. it wouldn't be perfect but 75% is way more than we have now. | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | I spent a lot of time working on my installer. it targets Debian and RedHat/CentOS. I need to add OSX support but I'm OSX ignorant. | 19:17 |
| haarg | once i had wgdev it bothered me a lot less though. but that's coming from the perspective of someone used to building perl and perl modules. | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | I need to finish that and merge it in, unless soemone can talk me out of it. it uses system packages and system package managers. | 19:18 |
| haarg | i can probably help some with os x. i don't imagine it would be too difficult. | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | cool. yeah, even holding my hand a bit now and then while I try to make it work on my Mac would be awesome. | 19:18 |
| haarg | while os x doesn't have a system package manager, it could probably just require you to install homebrew | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | gist.github.com/2973558 if you're curious | 19:19 |
| haarg | anyone running it on os x would almost certainly be a developer and already have some of the stuff | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | absolutely | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/2973558#file-webgui_installer-pl in particular | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | I need to modularize that a bit and make method calls into multiple backends to get rid of the if/else madness. but I'll worry about that later. | 19:22 |
| ckotil | scrottie: i have a clean base centos6 box doing nothing | 19:23 |
| ckotil | ill run throug hthis sometime | 19:23 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, it looks like I haven't touched that it two years, but fixes are absolutely welcome. feel free to fork it or send me diffs or whatever. | 19:23 |
| ckotil | sure thing | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | I started with someone else's installer script but I don't remember who at the moment. if that's you, my apologies. I just kind of took it and ran with it~ | 19:24 |
| ckotil | i have a couple buddies who are starting a techincal blog and asked me to write up something. i was going to write up a guide on mapnik/mod_tile/tilestash install | 19:24 |
| ckotil | could do a wg8 install too | 19:24 |
| ckotil | nah wasnt me. but i should be able to add improvements | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | well, if the installer works, you'll have a wg8 install ;) it pulls from the master branch of github. | 19:26 |
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| xdanger | my "installer" https://gist.github.com/xvaara/2318748 it works with few changes on mac/homebrew ;) | 00:10 |
| xdanger | well that was for wg8 | 00:12 |
| ckotil | scrottie installer is hanging at the git checkout step. i need to dig into why. | 00:17 |
| ckotil | but up until that point is pretty awesome | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | xdanger++ | 00:19 |
| xdanger | there is no need to install the perl libs system wide, just cpanm them to a extlib directory ;) | 00:20 |
| xdanger | no need to be root | 00:21 |
| xdanger | I could write you a Dockerfile for webgui tommorrow ;) | 00:21 |
| @scrottie | needs root or sudo to install system packages on CentOS/RedHat/Debian. | 00:21 |
| @scrottie | I don't know what a Dockerfile is, but okay! | 00:22 |
| ckotil | is it that easy to write a docker/ | 00:22 |
| @scrottie | oh. | 00:22 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I could just make an ISO, too. | 00:22 |
| xdanger | Docker is linux container management from dotcloud (now docker inc) | 00:23 |
| @scrottie | super. | 00:23 |
| xdanger | maybe chef/puppet files also? | 00:23 |
| @scrottie | cripes. | 00:23 |
| @scrottie | when there are more container systems than operating systems you're supporting, isn't that a bit silly? | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | but sure. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | the more the better. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | as long as I don't have to do it =P | 00:24 |
| xdanger | Docker is nice since it's not virtualized, it boots up in few ms and is versioned | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | I'm old. I remember when software came as a tar.Z and it compiled on Solaris, Ultrix, IRIX, and AIX (if you were really lucky) using nothing more than a make file. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | cool! | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | I'm reluctant to tell people they have to go install 3rd party stuff first when I can just script installing system packages, but a lot of people probably prefer this Docker thing of which I know not of. | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | and I was hoping to nail down FreeBSD/CentOS/Debian/OSX with the same installer script, but I'm not keen to maintain all of the quirks in there either. | 00:26 |
| @scrottie | whatever works. if that's the way to do it, let's do it. | 00:26 |
| xdanger | think you want to install RT for example, https://github.com/nickstenning/dockerfiles/blob/master/rt/Dockerfile | 00:27 |
| @scrottie | hell no I don't | 00:27 |
| @scrottie | RT blows goats | 00:27 |
| xdanger | true | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | that looks pretty cool though | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | I don't see examples in there of installing deps, I don't think, though...? | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | eg Percona | 00:29 |
| xdanger | they are in the image that they start with | 00:29 |
| @scrottie | oh. right. container. | 00:29 |
| @scrottie | I'm also not eager to take on the task of maintaining something like the WRE. | 00:30 |
| xdanger | yeah... | 00:30 |
| xdanger | lately I've done things with Dancer and I allways use perlbrew/local libs, plack/starman | 00:31 |
| xdanger | just much easier that trying to do simple things with webgui | 00:31 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 00:31 |
| @scrottie | I'd still like to thorougly modularize wG. | 00:31 |
| xdanger | and I'm hesitant to start anything big on webgui anymore | 00:31 |
| xdanger | Me too | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 00:32 |
| xdanger | webgui is too bloated | 00:32 |
| xdanger | needs a clean start almost | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | I disagree. I'm with Joel on Software on that one. | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html | 00:33 |
| xdanger | yeah, thats why I said _almost_ | 00:33 |
| @scrottie | heh | 00:34 |
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| @scrottie | and 8 cleans stuff up a *lot* | 00:34 |
| xdanger | sure does | 00:34 |
| xdanger | It would have been so nice to have 8 about 2 years ago in production | 00:34 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 00:34 |
| xdanger | that's about when I "jumped ship" and stoped doing new projects on webgui | 00:35 |
| @scrottie | any hope for wG is with the next generation. | 00:35 |
| @scrottie | the people who don't realize how bad this WordPress security and architecture garbage is because they don't know better. | 00:36 |
| xdanger | yeah, I'd hate to see webgui go even further in to the abyss | 00:37 |
| xdanger | and I like a lot of things in webgui | 00:37 |
| @scrottie | did you see danny_mk's UI? | 00:38 |
| @scrottie | er admin UI? | 00:38 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/danny_mk_wg8_demo.ogv | 00:38 |
| @scrottie | oops, http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/danny_mk_wg8_demo.ogv | 00:39 |
| xdanger | no, I haven't seen that... If I remember correctly I tested some git repo of that and it was broken.. | 00:41 |
| @scrottie | it's kinda rough | 00:41 |
| @scrottie | that's what I'm excited about though, aside from the installer which is really important but not that interesting unto itself. | 00:42 |
| xdanger | is that ui working in some branch/repo? | 00:42 |
| @scrottie | kind of. | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/dannymk/webgui | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | you have to change the template to add the JS for the admin and the button to turn on the admin | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | and work on the admin is on a hurdle. all of the WebGUI::Form stuff needs to be ported to JS so that it can render forms independently and operate as a JS app/AJAX app/whatever. | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | I wanted to cheat but danny_mk is being a purist about it. | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | so settings, asset properties, and other things won't have admin screens until that's working. | 00:45 |
| @scrottie | I can get you a package of the cryxtalx template if you like. I'd just have to fire everything up and export it. | 00:46 |
| xdanger | Error while loading /data/tmp/webgui/app.psgi: Can't locate object method "get_package_symbol" via package "Package::Stash" at lib/WebGUI/Deprecate.pm line 74. | 00:50 |
| xdanger | Maybe I'll debug that tommorrow, it's almost 1am here | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | ieee | 00:51 |
| xdanger | Finland =) | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | wooohoo | 00:51 |
| xdanger | I hear North America has more snow than we do :( | 00:51 |
| xdanger | I should be the other way around | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | North America is kinda big | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | I'm in Texas at the moment. it's a little above freezing. doesn't usually snow here. | 00:52 |
| xdanger | we have no snow at the moment =( | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | but it's still colder here than usual. | 00:52 |
| xdanger | usually there is like 20cm of snow this time of year | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | I'm looking forward to skiing when I'm back in Arizona | 00:53 |
| xdanger | here it's warmer than usual, over 0 deg celcius | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | northern Arizona has mountains. New Mexico too. | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | hrm | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | it looks like get_package_symbol needs to be changed to get_symbol | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | etc | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | API change. | 00:54 |
| xdanger | but on friday it should start freezing, and on saturday -13°C | 00:55 |
| xdanger | like 8°F ? | 00:55 |
| @scrottie | that's what Google says and I don't know any better ;) | 00:56 |
| xdanger | =D | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | that's pretty nippy | 00:56 |
| xdanger | normal for our winter... | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | I was up in Minnesota visiting family recently and they were down to -18F | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | *usually* doesn't get that cold there | 00:57 |
| xdanger | normal is 30- -4°F | 00:57 |
| xdanger | last winters coldest day was about -40°F | 00:58 |
| @scrottie | shiiii.. | 00:58 |
| xdanger | and we still go to school/work/get shit done/planes fly/etc ;) | 00:59 |
| @scrottie | danny and I are out of sync right now | 01:00 |
| @scrottie | hrm | 01:00 |
| @scrottie | I could push a fix up to my branch | 01:00 |
| @scrottie | er clone | 01:00 |
| xdanger | We always laugh at people in central europe when a snow storm hits them... everything shuts down =) I imagine it's like that with you and canadians ;) | 01:00 |
| @scrottie | some places get an inch of snow and shut down. other places get a meter and keep going. | 01:01 |
| @scrottie | Iowa is used to getting a lot of snow. depends what you're used to. | 01:01 |
| xdanger | scrottie: I'l go to sleep now, tommorrow I'll hit you up with an email and try to remember to watch this channel =) | 01:01 |
| @scrottie | cool | 01:01 |
| @scrottie | sleep well, and good to chat | 01:01 |
| xdanger | yeah, good to know someone is still caring about wg | 01:02 |
| xdanger | don't want it to wither away | 01:03 |
| * scrottie gives a tip of the imaginary hat | 01:03 | |
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