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--- Log opened Mon Oct 01 00:00:33 2007
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wgGuest57Hi, I tried logging into my account plainblack.com/support but it told me that my permission was denied...00:31
wgGuest57Can someone help me out?00:31
@preactionthis isn't really a plainblack help channel, but i can help you00:32
@preactionwhat's your account name?00:32
wgGuest57cryogas100:33
@preactionok, give me a couple minutes to pull it up00:33
wgGuest57well, i tried logging in because i'm trying to set up email accounts on the plainblack server, so i figured the support page would help me out00:33
@rizenyou are not in any support group00:34
@rizenif you believe this is an error, you need to contact info@plainblack.com00:35
wgGuest57Oh...00:38
wgGuest57Is there any chance one of you two would be able to help me setting up e-mail accounts on the plainblack server?00:39
@preactioni don't even know how00:39
@rizeni know how, but i have no way to verify who you are or what privileges you have, so until that is verified i can't help you00:40
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@rizenyou should be listed as a hoster00:40
@rizenif you are00:40
@rizenbut since you're not00:40
@rizeni can't help00:40
wgGuest57I can't provide any information for identification?00:46
@rizennot to us00:47
@rizenonly to info@plainblack.com00:47
wgGuest57But the likelihood of getting a response before tomorrow would be pretty low, yes?00:47
@rizenyes00:48
@rizenthat doesn't change the fact that we can't help you00:48
@rizenwe both want to help you00:48
@rizenwe can't00:48
@rizenwe don't deal with billing issues00:48
@rizenwhich is what this is00:48
wgGuest57Well00:48
wgGuest57We signed up, I just seem to have forgotten the account I bought hosting with00:48
wgGuest57And...I tried to retrive a password in hopes of retrieving the username as well, but we just pointed the DNS elsewhere on friday, so I have no access to my email account00:50
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wgGuest68I'm sorry to be such a bother, would one of you be able to provide me with the numerical IP of the plainblack server?02:17
@preactionwhich plainblack server?02:20
@preactionand there are utilities on your computer that do that for you02:20
@preaction*nix: host or dig; windows: nslookup02:20
wgGuest68uh, cold.plainblack.com02:22
@preactionperlbot host cold.plainblack.com02:22
@preactionoops02:23
@preactionperlbot host a cold.plainblack.com02:23
perlbotcold.plainblack.com has address 67.15.42.4402:23
wgGuest68alright, I just wanted to be sure02:24
wgGuest68thanks02:24
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+snapcountin retrospect... running a script that is going to add 30K assets to a site under one version tag was probably a bad idea07:07
+snapcountspectre is not going to be happy with me07:08
@rizeni'm not sure, but i don't think i accounted for such a version tag07:10
+snapcountlol07:10
@rizeni guess i should have07:10
+snapcountno... I should probably be doing my stuff a little smarter07:11
+snapcountthere's no reason I couldn't break the commits up07:11
+snapcountbut since it's running... I guess I'll see what happens =)07:11
+snapcountBasically, the script is pulling from an external db with states, cities, facilities in a city and detail about each facility07:13
+snapcountand creating a page for each facility with it's city and state as parent layouts07:13
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+snapcountmoment of truth...07:28
@rizenso what is the truth?07:47
+snapcountholy shit07:47
+snapcountit finished07:47
+snapcountlet me check the site and see if it still lives07:47
@rizennice. i guess i'm smarter than i thought07:47
+snapcountit worked07:50
+snapcountall the content is there, at least from random spot checks07:50
+snapcountwould take a while to verify each one =)07:50
@rizencongratulations. you have just committed the largest version tag in history. at least that i'm aware of.07:51
+snapcountsweet07:51
+snapcountI'll have to make myself a t-shirt or something07:52
+snapcount"I committed the largest version tag in WebGUI history and all I got was this stupid t-shirt"07:52
@rizenand people would actually like that shirt if you were coming to the wuc07:53
@rizenbut i think the general public would be like "huh?"07:53
+snapcountthey're like that for most of the shirts I wear now anyway07:54
@rizeni c07:54
+snapcountI guess the commit didn't finish entirely08:03
+snapcountbut the tag is showing up so I just clicked commit again08:04
+snapcountsee if it gets another chunk08:04
+snapcountI think I'm watching the "Don't tase me bro" special on COPS08:37
+snapcountthey've got like 6 people in one episode08:38
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+snapcountcool it finished09:25
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xdangerShouldn't the getContentLastModified function be overwriten in Collaboration to return ~ select max(revisionDate) from assetData where asset.lineage like '".$self->getLineage."%' ?13:04
xdangerIE is showing "old" version of a layout page that has a news-listing done with collaboration... I've even overwriten the headers to disable caching in the browser, but IE still caches them... Only the last-modified header is something that doesn't change...13:07
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AMH_mari@xdanger:you might try  flushing the WebGUI cache (accessible from admin console).14:14
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@rizenxdanger, you're probably right, it should18:01
@rizensubmit a bug report18:01
AMH_mari@rizen: following up last friday's discussion, this weekend took a look at the WebGUI macro parser and think I have a suggestion to improve it: instead of recursing with the whole parameter string and then separating into parameters, first separate parameters and then recurse for each parameter separately. The amended 7.4.8-final Macro.pm source can be found at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tartarus/cabinet/Macro.pm .Did not have time to test it very 18:05
@rizenplease post it as an RFE. I won't have time to review anything until after the WUC.18:08
@rizenwhy would it be faster to parse each parameter separately?18:08
AMH_mariNot faster but more robust.18:08
AMH_mari(in handling commas and quotes in nested calls).18:08
@rizenmore robust is good, but i can't accept more robust without it being at least as fast as it is18:10
@rizenhave you performed any time trials?18:10
AMH_mariWill post it as an RFE; forgot the time, have to go home now, regards.18:10
AMH_mariNo time trials yet, can have a look this evening.18:10
@rizenok18:10
@rizenthanks18:11
AMH_maricu18:11
@rizenbye18:11
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danny_mkHello everyone!  cap10morgan, I won't be able to make the WUC so it is up to you to build up the hype on OpenId :-)19:14
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@rizenman you really know how to kill a crowd19:19
@rizenjust kidding =)19:19
+MrHairgreaseso much for the openId hype19:19
+MrHairgreaserizen19:27
+MrHairgreasewhat is or used to be the group with gid=519:27
@rizenno idea19:30
@rizenthe only ones i keep track of are 1,2,3,7,and1219:30
@rizenthe rest are basically irrelevant19:30
+MrHairgreasei ask because somehow in a site i'm working on19:31
+MrHairgreasethe admin group is in group 519:31
+MrHairgreasewhich does not exist19:31
+MrHairgreasemaking it impossible to add users to the admin group19:32
+MrHairgreaseon the demo site it works fine though19:32
@rizeni have that group grouping on plainblack.com19:33
@rizenbut it doesn't seem to affect anything19:34
+MrHairgreasecan you do this:19:34
+MrHairgreaseadmin console -> groups -> admin -> add users to group19:35
+MrHairgreasemanage users in group19:35
+MrHairgreasethen select some user and click safe19:35
@rizenworked fine19:36
+MrHairgreaseok19:36
+MrHairgreasei'm working with a half patched system here (the one on which i discovered the group->new bug)19:36
+MrHairgreaseso it could be that not everything is taken care of19:37
+MrHairgreasei'll check the svn logs19:37
+MrHairgreasestill that grouping being there is not correct i it?19:37
@Haargi think i changed something in addition to your patch that would have effected that19:37
+MrHairgreaseor do you actually have a gourp with gid=519:38
+MrHairgreasehaarg: yes19:38
+MrHairgreasei think so too =)19:38
@rizenwe don't have a group with an id of 519:38
@rizenand yes, that orphan should be cleaned up19:38
+MrHairgrease delete from groupGroupings where inGroup not in (select distinct groupId from groups);19:39
+MrHairgreasethat cleans it19:39
+MrHairgreaseand fixes my problem19:40
@rizenyou shouldn't even need the "distinct" clause in there19:41
+MrHairgreaseprolly not19:41
+MrHairgreasejust a habit19:42
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dj_perlHello preaction, where would I find some docs to get started developing an asset to connect with Photo Gallery?22:31
@preactionuhm... an asset? i can give you a UML diagram, though currently subject to change. there's a meeting in 30 minutes with the dev team to lock down the API22:32
dj_perlWell, where do I start developing? There has to be some documentation ( other than the UML diagram ).22:33
@rizendj_perl, you're going to need to set up your web services to just stand alone as dummies right now22:34
dj_perlI'll be developing a server-side application, to which the iPhoto/Picasa plugin will talk? right?22:34
@preactionlike what? currently for documentaton we have the Functional Specification, the UML diagram, the ERD, and a workflow diagram22:34
@rizeni've given you the data / method dictionary, the workflow diagram22:35
@rizeni could also send you the functional spec22:35
@preactioni don't think the funcspec would be of much use really, but the more info the better22:35
@rizenbut beyond that, there's nothing built yet. dev starts on it this week22:35
dj_perlI was hoping for a copy of the primer.22:35
@rizenthe CM primer?22:35
@rizenthat's only for using webgui22:35
dj_perlWebGUI primer22:35
@rizenthere's no dev docs there22:35
@rizenthe primer is for basic webgui usage22:36
@rizenend user level stuff22:36
@preactionyour best bet for developer information is the community wiki22:36
@preactionand the included perldoc22:36
dj_perlok, thanks.22:38
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+MrHairgreaseis it october 17th yet?23:10
@preactionnot yet23:11
@rizenit needs to hurry up and get here23:17
+MrHairgreaseis it October 17 th yet?23:18
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cap10morganI'm probably going to be implementing a new concept into WebGUI for our requirements, but I want to see if there's some way to do it such that it would have a more generally useful application:02:57
cap10morganFor our use, I need to be able to associate a "campaign" with every piece of content on the site02:57
@preactioncontent profiling?02:59
cap10morganthese campaigns come from an external source, and i want to label it w/ the name of the campaign but store the id of the thing03:04
cap10morganso i want to be able to define an external data source for it03:04
cap10morganand also make this property inheritable03:04
cap10morganso it's similar to a custom metadata field03:05
cap10morganbut it needs the inheritance and external data source thing added in03:05
cap10morganthe external thing could just be specifying a snippet that lists the options in some format03:05
cap10morgansince that way you could do a web services client, an sql report, a macro, or whatever03:05
cap10morganpreaction: content profiling == metadata, no?03:06
@preactionyes03:07
cap10morgandoes that seem like it would be a generally useful thing?03:08
cap10morganor a ridiculous over-complication of metadata?03:08
@preactionit sounds interesting, but i dont' know if it will be generally useful03:16
@preactioni mean, most people don't even use the existing metadata / content-profiling system03:16
+snapcountany network nerds present03:20
+snapcountI'm rusty03:20
+snapcountneed someone to check me on something03:21
+snapcountthe subnet mask for 16 addresses would be 255.255.255.240 right?03:22
+snapcount2^(32-28) = 16 so 16 addresses... so the first 28 bits in the mask are 103:25
nubayeah, 16 addresses, but the first is the network's, the last is the network's broadcast03:29
+snapcountso 1403:29
+snapcountusable03:29
nubayeah, well, youre using the other two too, in a way03:31
+snapcountindeed03:31
+snapcountthanks03:31
nubanp03:31
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+MrHairgreasehi16:57
asciihi16:57
@rizenbye16:57
+MrHairgreasedoes anybody know if it is possible to add a cs to an event in th ecalendar?16:58
+MrHairgreaseor at least provide a means for people to add something to that event?16:58
+MrHairgreaselike their name16:58
@rizencan't be done currently16:59
@rizensounds like you want to do an evite sort of thing16:59
@rizenis that correct?16:59
@rizencomments and a yes/no/maybe i'm attending16:59
+MrHairgreasewhat somebody at th ekoornbeurs wants is this16:59
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:59
+MrHairgreasethat16:59
+MrHairgreaseband X plays there at that time16:59
@rizenthat's on the todo list for calendar, but it doesn't exist yet17:00
+MrHairgreaseok17:00
+MrHairgreasemaybe I'm willing to make that17:00
+MrHairgreaseis there already a spec?17:00
@rizenevite.com17:01
@rizenthat's the functional spec17:01
@rizenwe don't have a technical spec for it yet17:01
+MrHairgreaseok17:01
+MrHairgreasewe'll have a talk about it at the wuc then17:02
@rizenokily dokily neighbor17:02
+MrHairgreaseI don't have time to spend on that before anyway17:02
+MrHairgreasedoh!17:02
@rizeni'll buy you a beer at the great dane, and you can tell me about your problems17:02
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dionakhey guys. i'm having a permission problem i'm trying to understand. we have a group created in WG and a sqlform that has permissions set that this group can edit, view and submit records. However, a user that isn't an admin and is part of that group is getting a blank form. no data is being populated. 17:15
dionaki checked the template but there's no tmpl_if statement around the completeForm variable that would prevent population17:16
dionakwhen i search, i get data b/c i'm an admin17:16
@rizenno idea17:19
@rizendescribe the problem as best as you can in a bug report17:19
@rizenwe're hoping to clean up 100% of the bugs wre/pb.com/webgui by the wuc17:19
+MrHairgreasedionak17:20
dionakok. i'll review the code a little first to see if i can find what the issue is. 17:20
+MrHairgreasethe group with edit rights should be all powerful17:20
dionakthat's what i was thinking...17:20
+MrHairgreasethe _canAlterTable and _canEditRecord in addition to canEdit and canView17:21
+MrHairgreaseare used to detrmine th eprivs17:21
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+MrHairgreaseboth the private methods return true for sure if canEdit is true17:21
+MrHairgreasedid you commit the sqlform?17:21
dionakyes. it's all committed17:22
+MrHairgreasedoes flushing the cache help?17:22
dionaklet me try...17:22
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dionakhm, no. same thing. 17:23
dionakone of those methods must be returning false for some reason. 17:24
+MrHairgreasewhat's going wrong17:25
+MrHairgreaseadding/editing records?17:25
+MrHairgreaseor the search?17:25
dionaksearch17:25
+MrHairgreasethat should use canView17:25
dionakthe user doesn't have a reason to add/edit so we haven't tried that. 17:25
+MrHairgreasewhich is fully inherited17:25
+MrHairgreasestupid question maybe17:25
+MrHairgreaseis the user in the group?17:26
dionakyes. does the group only need permission for the sqlform in question or is there a hierarchy i'm overlooking?17:26
+MrHairgreasejust the asset17:27
+MrHairgreaseit's weird though17:27
+MrHairgreasewww_search should return the insufficient privs if canView is false17:27
+MrHairgreasebut a blank screen is smething different17:27
+MrHairgreasenothing in the webgui.log?17:27
dionakoh, it's just a blank form17:27
dionaknot populated with data17:28
dionakthe screen has the template and everything as expected. just no data17:28
+MrHairgreaseoh17:28
+MrHairgreasebut you can search right?17:28
dionaki can as my user. 17:29
+MrHairgreaseand you do get the right results17:29
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dionakyes17:29
+MrHairgreaseit's just that whatever you typed in the search box disappears from that box after you've submitted the form17:29
+MrHairgreaseright?17:29
dionakactually, it's a little more complex but i'm testing by pasting in the correct url for a record in the search results. like recordId=something;viewOnly=0 etc..17:31
dionaki get data and the user doesn't. let me poke around a little more....17:31
+MrHairgreaseok17:31
dionakthanks for chiming in and trying to help. :)17:32
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dionakok. i found my issue. it wasn't a WG permission issue. 18:48
dionakIE6 is dropping parameters on a meta refresh, which is why the form is blank. there's no recordId to return data form18:48
dionakform = for18:48
@rizenyikes18:49
dionakyea...i'm going to create a quick test case to verify it's a "feature" and test on IE718:49
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dionakhm. on IE6 it keeps the params if I change the semi-colon param separator to &amp;18:55
dionakcan i use &amp; instead of semi-colons in WG?18:55
+MrHairgreasewhen seperating form params in a post you can either use & or ;18:56
+MrHairgreasei think the ampersand is being deprecated18:56
dionaki think that might make a redirect with multiple params impossible to do in IE6.18:57
dionaki would rather not see that happen. 18:58
dionakon another note, has anyone used HTML::Template::Expr successfully? 19:00
@rizenwe aren't the ones deprecating the use of &19:01
@rizenit's the W3C19:01
dionakoh, really? i hadn't read that. 19:02
dionakwow19:02
@rizenWebGUI still supports both, and will continue to do so until the W3C says otherwise19:02
dionakreplacing it with what? 19:02
@rizen;19:02
dionakok, cool. thanks for clarifying19:02
@rizenHTML::Template::Expr is used by my design staff all the time19:02
@rizenthey love it19:02
dionakcool. we're trying to set it up. 19:03
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@rizenjust remember that with that all variable names that have a . are changed to use _19:04
dionakah, a very important detail! :)19:05
dionaki'm hoping IE6 will die before W3C deprecates the &19:08
dionakor just die a very sudden death. :)19:08
@rizeni've read that as of XHTML2 HTML5 it will be deprecated19:09
@rizenor rather removed19:09
@rizenit's already deprecated19:09
@rizenhowever, i'm guessing that most browsers will continue to support it for a very long time after that19:09
dionakyes, that would make sense. it would break a lot of the internet sites otherwise. I read that part of the HTML5 projects values was to not break too far from convention so as to be backwards compatible. 19:11
dionaki sometimes debate switching back to HTML419:11
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xootomis anyone familiar with the dashboard? in userProfileData I have three columns, guidcontentPositions, one of which is the guid of the dashboard on my site. Are the other two old deleted dashboards, that I can drop?01:35
@preactionthe dashboard's purge method didn't remove them for you?01:38
xootomno but they might have been there since 7.3.20 ish01:41
xootomcould they be anything else or are they definitely old dashboards01:41
xootomanyone know where the default dashboard layout is stored, is it the guest user's value for contentPositions?01:45
xootomi think i've hit a limit in the way contentPositions are stored, as varchar 255 characters... that only holds 11 guids, my dashboard is now randomly hiding and positioning things :(01:48
MrHairgreasethat should be a text field01:53
MrHairgreaseyou should file a bug report01:53
MrHairgreaseanyway01:53
MrHairgreasetime to go to bed01:54
MrHairgreasesee ya01:54
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@preactionyes it should be a text field, and yes, currently the Visitor profile stores the default content positions for a dashboard01:55
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xootommany thanks02:09
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@rizensalutations17:06
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@rizenbug --18:25
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ascii!19:30
@rizenbang?19:31
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asciiguess that could be appropriate for $bug--, but i use it for hello mostly19:34
@rizeni c19:34
@rizenwell hello then19:34
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+MrHairgreasesnapcount!21:50
+MrHairgreaseyou're back!21:50
+snapcountyep21:51
+snapcountI'm revived21:51
+MrHairgreasewhat happened?21:51
+snapcountI've been traveling far away lands searching for my true self21:51
+snapcount=)21:51
+MrHairgreasesure21:51
khenn_did you find Buddah?21:51
+snapcountlol21:51
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+snapcountnope, not yet21:51
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+MrHairgreaseare you coming to the wuc too?21:52
+snapcountno not this year... sold out too fast21:52
+snapcountbut that's awesome21:52
+MrHairgreasetoo bad21:52
+MrHairgreaseyeah it is21:52
+snapcountI should just fly up there and stalk the conference21:52
+snapcountbe "that guy"21:53
+snapcounthehe21:53
+MrHairgreaseyou should bring your raincoat21:53
+snapcountI was just thinking that21:53
@Khennyou'll be the guy in the "All your base are belong to us" shirt eh?21:53
+MrHairgreaseand a newspaper with a tiny peephole in it21:53
+MrHairgreasehehe21:53
+snapcountKhenn: yep21:53
+snapcountor something even dorkier21:53
@rizenbug --21:55
+snapcountnice21:55
+MrHairgreasewhere can i buy those?21:55
@rizenthinkgeek.com21:56
@Khennhttp://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/3777/21:56
@Khennrizen will be the one in this shirt: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/58f5/21:57
+MrHairgreasekhenn21:57
+MrHairgreasestop giving me metal pictures21:58
+MrHairgreasemental*21:58
@KhennI guess it is sort of close to bedtime for you21:58
@Khennsweet dreams =p21:58
+MrHairgreaseno21:58
+MrHairgreaseit's only 9pm21:58
+MrHairgreasebut the idea sticks21:59
* MrHairgrease shudders21:59
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apeironGreetings!17:54
@rizeni rescind bug--17:55
@rizenand replace it with 17:55
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@rizen$bug--;23:26
@preactionwoot23:26
@rizenlook at the bug list23:27
@preactionplan tests += 5023:27
@rizenalmost clean23:27
@rizenonly 50?23:27
@preactionin order to test the photo asset i need to test the file and image assets, i haven't even gotten to the gallery/album yet23:27
@rizenoh23:28
@rizennice23:28
@preactionand it'll be slow going until i figure out an easy way to test the processPropertiesFromFormPost method, i don't know if Colin perfected his apr mockobject to work with uploads23:29
@preactionbut we're almost there23:29
@preactionwait, you fixed the collab system date thing?23:29
ckotilI think i found a bug in how the sql report asset is handled by the nav asset. it seems to be treated like a page layout asset and an article asset at the same time.23:30
@preactionuhm? nearly all assets can have children23:31
@preactionthere are some exceptions with assets that don't make sense outside of certain containers, like Posts, Threads, and Events23:31
ckotilyah, it might be my custom nav template... still verifying.23:31
@preactionadmittedly the nav asset doesn't get nearly enough information about the assets, but to do so would slow down an already slow operation23:32
ckotilright,  i understand that.23:33
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danny_mkRoot cause: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 357.05:04
@Haargbeen fixed05:05
@Haargfor 7.4.905:05
danny_mkok05:05
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xootomhttp://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute is broken at the mo19:03
+MrHairgreasehere too19:03
+MrHairgreasejust a blank page19:03
@rizeni can see it19:04
@rizenwhat browser are you looking in?19:04
xootomcached?19:04
xootomfirefox 2.0.0.6 ubuntu19:04
+MrHairgreaseff 2.0.0.6/lnux19:04
@rizenjust refreshed the page19:04
@rizenstill works19:05
@rizentrying firefox now19:05
xootomliterally blank here19:05
+MrHairgreasecleared my browser cache19:05
+MrHairgreasedidn't help19:05
@rizeni get that in firefox too19:05
@rizeni'll look into it19:05
@rizenit works in safari19:06
@rizenchecking ie19:06
+MrHairgreasekonqueror fails too19:06
@rizeni see the difference now19:07
@rizenhas nothing to do with browser19:07
@rizenbut whether you are logged in19:07
@rizenor perhaps privs19:07
@rizenon a browser where i'm not logged in i get the white page19:07
@rizenbut when i'm logged in it works19:07
xootomyep same here19:07
+MrHairgreasewget http://webgui.org/wg/contribute19:08
+MrHairgreaseget an empty file19:08
+MrHairgreaselogging in works for me too19:10
+MrHairgreasebut the poll is missing19:10
+MrHairgreasemaybe that has something to do with it?19:10
xootomi guess the server logs will show the prob19:11
@rizenon phone, will look when i can19:12
@rizenthere appears to be a problem drawing the graph19:27
@rizenwith graphics magic vs image magick19:27
@rizenhttp://www.webgui.org/uploads/temp/ng/ngKG_meCXVmarTeXFYM_nw/poll_bUgyoMZc8E6irc3zZZ97Q.png19:27
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@rizenfixed for now by switching back to text graph19:37
@rizenreported a bug which graham and i will work on this week19:37
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@preaction7 days until the WUC!!!!!1111eleven22:52
@rizenwahooO!!!!!22:57
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+MrHairgreaseeven better23:31
+MrHairgreaseonly 6 days till the Dutch invade!23:31
@rizenwe've already outfitted all the roads and airports with land mines and artillery23:32
+MrHairgreasethat won't help23:32
+MrHairgreasewe can walk over water =)23:32
@preactionwon't somebody please think of the children?23:32
+MrHairgreasewe walk over children too23:32
@rizeni guess we'll need some sea mines, and robotic sentry drones23:33
@preactiondon't we have an extradition treaty with Dutchland or whatever?23:33
+MrHairgreaseI think we have unfortunately23:34
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@preactionso you'll be on your BEST BEHAVIOR?23:35
@preactionthat's boring...23:35
@rizenmartin, i'm sick of preparing for the WUC at this point. can't you just come a week early and we'll get it kicked off?23:35
+MrHairgreaseno23:36
+MrHairgreaseI already have stuff planned for the weekend23:36
+MrHairgreasealso23:36
+MrHairgreasea wuc of a week and a half is a bit much23:37
@khennIf you thought it was cheap to drink in Las Vegas, wait till you go out drinking in Madison23:37
@khennyou will not want to go home23:37
@khenna week and a half may not be enough =p23:38
@preaction<3 wisconsin23:38
+MrHairgreaseok frank23:38
@khennWisconsin has to be nearly the cheapest place in the world to drink23:38
+MrHairgreaseyou're on23:38
+MrHairgreasei'll buy you some drinks23:39
@preactiondrinking contest between martin and frank?23:39
+MrHairgreasepb owes me money anyway 23:39
@preactioni will PAY to see this23:39
+MrHairgreasewho's talking about contests23:39
@preactionaww...23:39
@khennI'm not competing against Martin23:39
@khennare you kidding?23:39
@khennI tried that in vegas 2 years ago23:39
+MrHairgreasewere you competing?23:39
@khennno23:40
@khennbut I tried to keep up =p23:40
+MrHairgreaseI can clearly remember you said 'I'm gonna drink with the dutch guys tonight'23:40
+MrHairgreaseand you did well23:40
@khennI didn't do so well the next morning23:40
+MrHairgreaseoh23:40
+MrHairgreaseheh23:41
@preactionAmerican puritanism makes us soft :(23:41
+MrHairgreaseyeah I remember that23:41
@khennand Tavis has footage of me that is youtube material23:41
+MrHairgreasemore specificly23:41
+MrHairgreasei clearly remember not seeying you at all23:41
+MrHairgrease=)23:41
+MrHairgreaseso put it on youtube23:41
@rizeni think len doesn't love us anymore23:41
+MrHairgreaseI'll be able to use it in my acme presentation23:42
+MrHairgreaseactually23:42
+MrHairgreaselen still loves you23:42
+MrHairgreasebut he's really busy doing parent stuff23:42
+MrHairgreasei talked to him a couple of days ago23:43
+MrHairgreaseand he wanted to come to the wuc23:43
+MrHairgreasebut alas23:43
+MrHairgreaseno time23:43
@rizendamn the parenting23:45
@rizeni miss len23:45
+MrHairgreaseso do I23:46
@rizeni want to build up the wisconsin team23:57
@rizenso i think i might turn off all the mines, artillery, and robots until after you're here23:58
@rizenthen i can populate the wisconsin team with the former dutch team23:58
@rizen=)23:58
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+MrHairgreaselanguage question00:09
+MrHairgreasei we are talking about my beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseshould i write00:09
+MrHairgreasemartins beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseor martins' beer?00:09
@khennmartin's beer00:09
+MrHairgreaseok thanks00:10
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@preactionis there a reason why this channel is +s (secret). it means we won't show up on a /list of channels.00:24
@rizennope00:24
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+MrHairgreasehahahaha00:26
+MrHairgrease#perl has 567 users00:27
+MrHairgrease#python only a puny 50200:27
@preactioncheck out ##Php :( and #ubuntu00:28
+MrHairgreasewell channel that need two hashes must uck00:29
+MrHairgreasesuck*00:29
+MrHairgreaseand what's wrong with ubuntu?00:29
@preactionit's a freenode guideline, "official" project channels get one hash, "unofficial" or "about" channels get two. perl and python should have two00:30
@preactionit's just huge00:30
@preaction1200 people, on release day i imagine it will grow to twice that00:30
+MrHairgreaseall 2400 people using ubuntu =)00:31
+MrHairgreaseminus one00:31
+MrHairgreaseb/c I don't use that channel00:31
+MrHairgreasestill php has only 40 user more than perl00:31
@preactionhuh, perl's closed the gap a bit00:32
+MrHairgreaseconsidreing all that php code that barfed around the net00:32
@preactionbut then the community in ##php is toxic (and that's an understatement)00:32
+MrHairgreaseoh really00:32
+MrHairgreaselet's try out that channel then00:32
+MrHairgrease#perl suck anyway00:33
+MrHairgreasenoone uses the nick larrywall00:33
@preactionmerlyn (Randall L Schwartz) used to hang out in #perl for a while, but he's rather abrasive and I think the chanops finally asked him to leave00:34
+MrHairgreasei guess you're right about php00:34
+MrHairgrease(11:33:36 PM) Alloos2: hi, how do I take specific letters from string, example I want to take the first 6 letters in this string: thisisfoo00:34
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+larrywallkneel before me00:35
+larrywallfor I have the nick!00:35
+larrywallmuhahahahah00:35
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+MrHairgreasewow00:36
+MrHairgreasethat felt blasphemous00:36
@preaction40 Hail Larrys and 10 lashes with a Llama book00:37
+MrHairgreasehmmmm, llama00:37
+MrHairgreaseif we can keep up this level of maturity the wuc is bound to be unforgettable00:38
+MrHairgreasefor better or worse00:38
* apeiron peeks in.00:46
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@apeironyay01:18
@khennyay?01:23
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+crythia1hrm05:00
+crythia1anyone play java risk?05:01
@preactionrisk? in java?05:01
@preactionooooOOOOoooh05:01
+crythia1yeah05:01
+crythia1http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/download.shtml05:01
+crythia1best irsk ever05:01
+crythia1risk, even05:02
@preactionlike, online and stuffs?05:02
+crythia1yeah multiplayer internet05:02
+crythia1or seat shufle05:02
@preactionaccurate to the board game at least?05:02
+crythia1yes.05:02
@preactioni think that this company is going to hate you for the days of lost productivity you're about to inflict on me05:03
@preactionbut AWESOME05:03
@preactionalways, always, always take Austrailia first05:03
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@preactionthe extra two armies per turn quickly adds up to an unstoppable killing force!05:03
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+crythia1yeah but when you hold africa or NA, it's more fun.05:04
+crythia1well, I'm hosting a game right now05:04
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@preactionthe idea is to make a stronghold, since there's only one way into australia (through Laos)05:04
+crythia1trying to get more than just the one other guy I play against.05:05
@preactionnot a lobby-type game?05:06
@preactiongive me a minute to download/install05:06
+crythia1unfortunately, it doesn't have a good lobby.05:06
+crythia1don't use the installer if not using Windows05:06
@preactioncrap05:07
+crythia1well, it might work, then again...05:07
@apeironIf it's "100% Pure Java", It Should [tm]05:07
@preactionwell i'll get both and see05:07
@preactioni might have to break out my java *cough* skills *cough*05:08
+crythia1we play mission.05:09
+crythia1most of the time.05:09
@preactioninstaller worked okay, what's the server?05:11
+crythia1crap. it seems I have only a limited number of players.05:12
+crythia1if it were, it'd be www.gwy2.org05:12
@khennpreaction, you have no Java skills =p05:14
@preactionliar! i've written complex game-management software in java05:14
+crythia1you have to wait until all joins before choosing character. please wait until I set it up and everyone connects05:14
@preactionwtf, this thing is weird05:14
@preactionk05:14
+crythia1connect05:15
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@preactionk05:16
+crythia1now we choose05:16
@preactionthe pink empire will rule you all!05:17
+crythia1mission?05:17
@preactioni dunno what that means05:18
+crythia1you get a secret --- kill a player, conquer two countries, etc.05:18
@preactioni've only ever played Domination (the old risk)05:18
+crythia1it's faster05:18
@preactionahh05:18
@preactionsure05:18
+crythia1but apparently, we'll do domination. world conquest05:18
@preactionk05:18
+crythia1I did autoplace, so it speeds things up a bit05:19
@preactionwtf, autoplace gay05:19
@preactionthat's the damn AI? crap05:26
+crythia1who?05:27
@preactiondark blue05:27
@preactionwho took australia05:27
+crythia1yeah05:27
@preactionand who i now have to defend Siam against05:27
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@preactionunf, asia is MINE05:37
@preaction... but not for long05:38
@preactionomg yes +7 armies!05:39
@preactionomg05:41
+crythia1yeah05:41
+crythia1guess I'm out. :)05:42
@preactionthat jerk05:42
@preactioni'll take most of America next turn probably05:42
@preactionhe killed you and basically comitted suicide05:42
@preactionwhat remains to be seen is how far blue pushes him05:43
@preactionomfg05:43
* snapcount grabs some popcorn05:44
+snapcountfar more interesting than the "bachelor" crap Keri has on TV05:44
@preactionthe blue ai just trashed asia05:44
+crythia1yeah... and Europe05:44
+crythia1interesting choice.05:45
@preactionoh come on, he had an easier time taking out Siam with 15 armies... i try to take one with 1 army against my 5 and he kills them all05:46
@preactionCHEAT 05:46
+crythia1it's pretty fair dice rolls.05:47
@preactionCHEAT i say05:47
@preactionblack isn't smart at this game are they?05:48
@preactionnot one country with more than 1 army05:48
+crythia1meh. it's tough and sometimes you just have to conquer territory to prevent large next load05:49
@preactionjust for them to have to leave a conquering army?05:49
+crythia1meh... 05:50
+crythia1it was a bad spread05:50
@preactionand germany defends itself against a wildly superior force05:50
+crythia1and cyan kicked butt in real time.05:50
@preaction but not twice :(05:50
@preactionsurprised cyan hasn't moved against middle east yet05:50
@preactionno. blue is doing it05:51
+crythia1me, too05:51
@preactionwhere the fuck is blue getting all these armies?05:51
@preaction14 per turn?05:51
+crythia1cards05:51
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@preactionthere's no way, he got like 14 last turn too for turning in cards05:51
+crythia1mebbe he had 5, forced to discard, got a set05:51
@preactionaw hell05:54
+crythia1heh05:54
+crythia1fate is a fickle mistress05:54
@preactiongo japan!05:55
@preactionWOOOT05:55
@preactionaw05:55
+crythia1no kidding05:55
@preactiontaking out 5 not bad05:55
@preactionHA go China!05:55
@preactionaw05:55
@preactionlot better than i thought05:56
+Radix_leave australia alone! :)05:56
@preactionhell no, it WILL be mine05:56
@preactionthat damned AI had better let me have it05:56
+Radix_heh05:56
@preactionit's hard as hell to conquer, i've wasted like 10 armies already trying to get at a continent worth of 1-army countries...05:57
@preactionhe rolls natural 6's like a bitch05:57
+crythia1ooh. dum ai05:57
@preactionoh... god.. YES05:57
+crythia1increasing cards. loverly.05:57
@preactionMINE05:58
@preactionnow to take out Cyan's africa +3, no more of that jazz. or maybe i'll sweep through asia again05:59
+crythia1too late to hold australia this late in the game.05:59
+crythia1and you can bet nobody's going to help you by killing siam06:00
@preactioni don't want it killed, i has plan06:00
@apeirondoes it has a flavour?06:00
@preactionput my new armies on siam, kill india, move indonesia to siam, next turn put new armies on india and start two-pronged (maybe three-) sweep of asia06:00
+crythia1I'm in UR AUS, making dah 2sies.06:00
@preactionno, i've fallen into that inevitable evil genius trap: NEVER explain the plan before it's executed...06:01
@preactionit must be because i've substituted chocolate-covered coffee beans for supper06:02
@preactioncyan should take SA and get it over with. then try to stomp europe and start clashing for asia06:02
@preactionthat AI in america has got some fortifications...06:03
+crythia1unfortunately, it appears that disconnected06:03
+crythia1sully06:03
+crythia1crap crap crap06:04
@preactionno graceful handling of that?06:04
+crythia1apparently, not. between movies, ai takes06:05
+crythia1movies: moves06:05
@preactionas the game creator, do you have additional powers?06:06
+crythia1not really.06:06
+crythia1can't /kick06:06
@preactionyeah, that'd be a nice feature, kick the user and replace them with an AI of your choosing06:07
@preactionplus chat. plus a pinging thread to make sure everyone's still there06:07
+crythia1yeah, well, generally it's ok. but this happens rarely.06:07
+crythia1I'll stop it, but I'm tired.06:08
+crythia1perhaps another time.06:08
@preactionindeed06:08
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@preactioni would've won anyway06:08
+crythia1hee06:08
@preactioni suppose back to the photo gallery for a bit06:08
@preactionmaybe this weekend i'll take a look at this game. the sync problems with creating a network game is almost inexcusable06:09
@preactionand the not having hosting controls is just as bad06:09
@preactionlooks like it's relatively active, so i might have to ask the developer before i just jump in06:10
+crythia1well, there you are :)06:10
@preactionwait, maybe not. 1.0.8.9 was released in January06:11
+crythia1gnite06:11
@preactionnite06:11
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SDuensinGreetings16:41
@khennmorning16:41
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AMH_mariHi all; has anyone tried upgrading the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (i.e. 2.3.1)? We would like to use the color picker beta that's in the latest version.17:07
AMH_mariBut we're a bit worried that WebGUI's functioning is affected...17:08
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@khennWhat version of WebGUI are you using?17:58
AMH_mari7.4.818:09
AMH_mariAlas, I have to catch my bus home now...18:09
AMH_mariI'll revisit this channel tomorrow and retry the question. @khenn: thanks.18:10
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snoHow do I get a HTML::TemplateExpr instance in an object?23:01
+MrHairgreaseyou mean how you can set templates to use html::tmplate::expr?23:02
snoYes, when both are available, but the default is not Expr23:02
+MrHairgreaseyou should set that in the template23:02
+MrHairgreaseI think it's under the properties tab23:02
snoYeah, it is set at the template properties level.  I see that now.  Thanks.23:07
snoI guess I want it to be established on upgrade, so I'll have to update the instance after template import.23:08
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--- Day changed Wed Oct 10 2007
+MrHairgreasewoohoo00:15
+MrHairgreaseI have a concept webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent!!!00:15
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+MrHairgreaseany regex guru's in the house?01:00
+MrHairgreasehow can I not match a sequence of chracters01:01
+MrHairgreasesay01:01
+MrHairgreaseI want not to match );01:01
+MrHairgreasehow do I do that01:01
@rizenall you have to do is: m/.*/01:01
@rizenthat will match all your characters01:01
@rizen=)01:01
+MrHairgreasethat I know01:01
+MrHairgreasebut I don't want that01:02
@rizenm/![\);]/01:02
@rizendon't know if that would work or not, but it's my first guess01:02
+MrHairgreaseI also tried the (?!...) syntax01:03
+MrHairgreasebut I'm to dumb to use the (?...) stuff01:03
@preactionwhy not $m !~ /.../01:18
@preactionperlbot perlre01:18
perlbotPerl regular expressions - http://perldoc.perl.org/perlre.html01:18
+MrHairgreasecannot do that01:18
@preactionor did you need one of the zero-width lookahead/lookbehind assertions so as to not consume parts of the match string?01:18
+MrHairgreasei want to match anything up to 0:01:19
+MrHairgrease);01:19
+MrHairgreasenoy 0;01:19
+MrHairgreasenot*01:19
@apeironperl -le '$_ = "foobar"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print "hm\n"; $_ = "foobaz"; /foo(?!bar)/ and print'01:19
@preactionso it's a choice of a single character?01:19
+MrHairgreasewhat do you mean with that01:20
@preactionso you're matching up to but not including ');'01:22
@preactionlike the macro parser?01:22
+MrHairgreaseyes01:22
@preactionthen what apeiron pasted will work01:23
+MrHairgreaseparse::recdescent is not reeally suited for parsing argument lists01:23
+MrHairgreaseok01:23
+MrHairgreasethen I must've been screwing up01:23
@preactionit was about 1000x faster when doing nested macros, but i tested against the original (current) algorithm01:23
+MrHairgreaseI'll try some more01:23
@preactionagainst normal macros, however, it was considerably slower01:24
+MrHairgreasewhat was?01:24
@preactiona PRD gramma01:24
@preactiongrammer01:24
@preactionwhatever that word is...01:24
+MrHairgreaseI'm just messing around01:24
+MrHairgreaseI have no idea if it'll be faster01:25
@preactionyou're writing a PRD grammar? it's fun and educational, there are some powerful things you can do with them ;)01:25
+MrHairgreaseI'm just trying to implement the webgui macro parser in parse::recdescent01:26
+MrHairgreaseit's a top down parser thingy01:26
+MrHairgreaseif I understod correctly01:26
@preactionyeah, i wrote one back when someone (i think you) posted a particularly nasty bit of code that basically DoSed WebGUI because of the macro parser01:27
+MrHairgreaseyeah01:27
+MrHairgreasethat was i01:27
+MrHairgreaseI found the bug when making the acme presentation01:27
@preactionit was fun to do, but i understand that Haarg came up with a more efficient regex, and I think someone else came up with one too01:28
+MrHairgreaseso I guess the acme stuff is good for something after all01:28
@preactionindeed01:28
+MrHairgreaseas I said01:28
@preactionbut if P::RD ever becomes more efficient like the docs say it can/should, you never know01:28
+MrHairgreaseI'm only doing this b/c it's possible01:28
@preactioni know, it's fun to learn01:28
@preactiondon't tell JT that i learned HTML::Mason in my spare time a few weeks back ;)01:29
@rizenyou told me that yourself moron01:29
@preactionruined the joke...01:29
@rizenthere's no joke, it's just sad01:29
@preactionno sense of comedy...01:29
@preactiongotta learn how the competition does things01:30
+MrHairgreasemason is some sort of a include perl in html thing right?01:31
@rizenin that case teach yourself ruby on rails or Zope01:31
@rizenthat's the competition01:31
@preactionit's kinda like embperl, yes01:31
@rizennot mason01:31
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@preactionyou mean, use something OTHER than Perl for web development?01:31
SDuensinGood evening.01:31
@preactionthat just sounds so wrong01:32
@rizeni'm saying if you want to learn about the competion01:32
@rizencompetition01:32
@rizeni'm not suggesting that you should actually use it01:32
* MrHairgrease cancels his RoR download01:32
@preactionzope is python, no?01:33
@rizenyup01:33
@rizenpreaction: i think we should assign apeiron a topic to talk about at the wuc, what do you think?01:36
+MrHairgreaseapeiron is a new PB employee?01:36
@preactionthe more the merrier01:36
@apeironMrHairgrease, Indeed.01:36
@preactionNOW somebody tells me...01:36
@khennI think he should take over your workflow class, rizen01:36
@rizeni think his topic should be converting plone, mambo, and typo3 data to WebGUI01:37
@khennew01:37
* SDuensin votes for Drupal01:37
SDuensin:-P01:37
* apeiron says goodbye to sleep for the rest of the week.01:38
@rizenSD, sorry to say that apeiron is just learning webgui himself this week, so it isn't going to happen01:38
@rizeni just wanted to give him a quick heart attack01:38
SDuensin:-)01:39
+MrHairgreaserizen must be nominated Employer of the Year without doubt01:40
@preactionhe's like a second father01:40
+MrHairgreasethe second father you never had =)01:41
@rizena drunk abusive father01:41
SDuensinhehe01:41
@apeiron"Time to learn to swim, son." [father tosses son into river]01:41
@preactionapparently God didn't think my first one screwed me up enough :p01:41
@preaction"Don't be a wussy!"01:42
@rizen"Stop sucking."01:43
@rizeni've never been accused of being a mentor01:45
+MrHairgreasedid you say mental?01:45
@rizennope, mentor01:45
@apeironI think all Perl programmers have a prereq of 'mental'. :)01:45
@rizeni've definitely been accused of being mental01:46
+MrHairgreasemine are laziness, impatience and hubris01:46
+MrHairgreasebut I consider those virtues01:46
@rizenmy least favorite thing about preparing for the wuc is burning all the cds with all the presentations on them01:53
+MrHairgreaseso hire extra poeple01:54
@rizenfor an hour?01:54
@rizento burn cds?01:54
@rizenyeah, that would work01:54
@rizenmartin, could I hire you for $100,000 per year01:55
@rizenexcept, that i'm only going to keep you on staff for an afternoon01:55
+MrHairgreaseI'll give you $100 if I break 5 eggs on your head01:56
@rizenthen you break only 4 on my head01:56
@rizenand you don't have to pay me $10001:56
+MrHairgreasesame kind of deal01:56
@rizenthe best trick is this one01:57
@rizenyou see someone order an expensive drink in a bar01:57
@rizenthen you go up to them01:57
+MrHairgreaseyeah 01:57
+MrHairgreasei know that one too01:57
@rizenand say i bet you a buck i can drink that drink without touching the glass01:58
@rizenhehe01:58
+MrHairgreaseoh01:58
+MrHairgreasemy01:58
+MrHairgreasea dollar a drink01:58
+MrHairgreasehehe01:58
@rizeni officially need a new computer02:00
@rizenmine is so slow it won't run my keynote presentation without skipping about 50% of the frames02:01
@rizenapeiron, i'm taking your computer...you can have my old crappy one02:02
@rizen=)02:02
@apeiron:(02:02
@apeironAh, well, 's better than nothing, I suppose, eh?02:02
@rizeni'm just kidding02:03
* apeiron nods, knows.02:03
@rizeni'll buy my own, but i probably will borrow your new laptop to run my presentation02:03
@apeironhmm. Whose shall I swipe, then?02:03
@rizenit's only for an hour02:04
@rizenyou can do without for an hour02:04
@apeironWas planning on bringing a paper notebook either way.02:04
@rizeni don't think anyone takes notes during my keynote02:04
@rizenit's more like a pep rally02:05
@apeironAhh.02:05
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+MrHairgreasehttp://www.justsayhi.com/bb/keyboard02:22
@preactioni could've swore the original 6th printing of the D&D rules (1976) didn't have holes for a three-ring binder in them... charging highway robbery...02:28
@rizen1,796,000 germs02:30
+MrHairgreaseI have 2.1 million02:30
@rizenyou are a dirty girl02:31
+MrHairgreasedoes that please you?02:31
@rizenhells yes02:31
@rizenbtw...do you want your prize money in a crisp clean check02:32
@rizenor cold hard cash02:32
+MrHairgreasecold  hard cash02:32
+MrHairgreasethe idea is that I spend most of it when I'm in the us02:33
@rizeni figured02:33
+MrHairgreasedollars not worth a lot in euros02:33
@rizenbut now that i know your preference, i'll be sure to do the opposite02:33
@rizenyeah yeah02:33
@rizeni hate our fucking government02:33
@rizenthe dollar used to be the second strongest currency in the world02:34
@rizenamazing what 6 years or so can do02:34
+MrHairgreaseit is02:34
+MrHairgreasethe us used to be expensive when we still had guilders02:34
+MrHairgreasebut i'm not complaining02:34
@rizeni bet02:34
+MrHairgreasepeople who export to th eis do02:35
+MrHairgreasethe us*02:35
+MrHairgreasequite understandably02:35
+MrHairgreaseanyway02:38
+MrHairgreasei'm gonna sleep02:38
+MrHairgreasebye02:38
@rizenlater02:38
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@preaction2.3 million? how did i beat you two?02:38
@apeironpreaction, You're a disgusting pig.02:39
@preactionb-b-b-but i had all those operations...02:40
@rizenapeiron,02:41 <+snapcount> damn, I'm a farking hobo02:40
+snapcount4,040,00002:41
@apeiron!02:41
* snapcount runs to the shower, laptop in hand02:42
+snapcountI think it was the "being around sick people" that did me in02:42
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@preactionjust be sure to unplug it, battery won't kill you, make you stronger02:42
+snapcountlol02:42
+snapcount4,044,600 it was actually02:43
+snapcount809 toilet seats... oh yeah02:43
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+Radix_2,561,580 germs07:36
@rizenhow long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all of the seeds out of a dill pickle07:37
@rizenthat's pretty germy07:39
+Radix_it didn't ask me how old the keyboard was though07:46
@rizenshould that matter?07:47
@rizenisn't it more a matter of how often you clean it07:47
@rizenthan how old it is07:47
+Radix_Ahh.. but if you never clean it..07:48
@rizenthat i suppose is true07:49
@rizenbut are there people that never clean their keyboard, ever?07:49
* Radix_ whistles innocently.07:49
@rizeni admittedly only clean mine once or twice per year, but .....holy crap07:50
@rizenyou've got to be kidding me07:50
@rizenreally? never?07:50
+Radix_I wipe mine with a tissue occasionally to clean the dust off it07:50
+Radix_I actually just bought a new one to replace this thing as it's so old and is starting to look grimy.07:50
@preactiononce in a while i'll take my glasses cleaner (ammonia-free) and wipe down the buttons a bit. but it's rarely powered-off long enough to clean07:51
+Radix_same07:51
@rizenwhen i clean mine i either use alcohol or clorox bleach and q-tips07:51
+Radix_in that mine is rarely powered off long enough to clean07:51
@preactioni've had to toss a couple old ones in the sink with some soap before, but can't really do that with the lappy07:52
@rizenyou can toss your laptop into the sink if you want07:53
@rizenbut i won't be buying you a new one07:53
@rizen=)07:53
@preactionnot for another two years at least07:53
@rizenthe woods are lovely dark and deep07:55
+Radix_I don't use the keyboard on my lappy.. I use a usb one with the laptop raised up07:55
@preactioni seen one of thems once, they work nice?07:56
+Radix_I don't think of them as germs so much as allies in the case of alien attack.07:57
+Radix_work great07:57
+Radix_I have a usb keyboard and mouse.. and the elevated laptop means that the screen is at the proper height07:58
@rizenoh yeah, well i have a street07:58
@rizenso take that07:58
+Radix_?07:58
@rizenfor the past 2 months i have not had a street07:58
@rizenit's been under construction07:58
@preactionthey finished the thing in two days?07:58
+Radix_heh07:58
@rizennot two days07:59
@rizen2 months07:59
+Radix_Always handy if you want to leave your house I guess07:59
@rizenthey paved it in 2 days07:59
@preactionthey started paving yesterday, it took them like 2 days to rip it up, 2 days to pave, and 56 days of sitting on rump07:59
@rizenbut they should have been able to do that in one day07:59
@rizentechnically i suppose it's not done, cuz they still have the roadblock signs up08:00
@rizenbut i can't imagine what else they have to do08:00
@rizenit looks finished to me08:00
@preactionsit on rump for another 56 days?08:00
@preactiongotta get paid somehow08:00
@rizenif they aren't gone tomorrow, i'm throwing them down08:00
@preactionJT: Civic Hero!08:00
@rizenyou don't realize how much you need a street until you don't have one for a couple of months08:01
@preactioni would pay to see you in a Superman costume in front of a gently-waving american flag08:01
@preactionor even a big wG on your chest08:01
@preactionwith a cape08:01
+Radix_lol08:01
@rizenum, yeah. that's never going to happen08:01
@preactionso i'd be paying with my life i take it?08:02
@rizendidn't you watch the incredibles? capes are out08:02
+Radix_I'll leave you two in peace with that image I think08:02
@preactionoh, snap. no cape then08:02
@rizenr u going somewhere radix?08:02
+Radix_not really no08:03
+Radix_sick as a dog atm08:03
@rizenwe're all very upset that you won't be at the wuc this year08:03
+Radix_I'm sure.. heh08:03
@preactionextremely... upset...08:03
+Radix_not far away now I guess is it08:04
@preaction5 days08:04
@preaction8 hours08:04
@preaction26 minutes08:04
@preactionapproximately08:04
@preactionperlbot math 5 * 24 + 8)08:05
perlbotBad Expression: syntax error08:05
+Radix_drop the )08:05
@preactionperlbot math (5 * 24 + 8) * 60 + 2608:05
perlbot770608:05
@preactionminutes! that's like forever08:05
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AMH_mariHi all. Has anyone tried to upgrade the YUI-library that WebGUI uses to the latest version (2.3.1)? We would like to use the ColorPicker in the new version but are a bit worried that WebGUI's functionality is affected because of the upgrade. Any thoughts anyone? There do not seem to be a lot of changes between the versions and at first sight WebGUI (7.4.8) is functioning normally. Are there problems to expect? What to check to verify WebGUI's f11:50
+MrHairgreaseI once copied a newer yui over the one delivered with webgui11:52
+MrHairgreasethat worked11:52
+MrHairgreasedunno which version it was anymore11:52
+MrHairgreaseyour best bet is to try it out on a dev system first11:52
+MrHairgreaseand check the yui docs if 2.3.1 is a drop in replacement for the yui that comes with wegui11:53
AMH_mari2.3.1 appears to work but I will check it further on a dev system first. Thanks.11:56
+MrHairgreaseok11:56
+MrHairgreasegood luck11:56
+MrHairgreaseplease let me know how it works out11:56
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@rizenthe things to check are:16:34
@rizenadmin bar16:34
@rizenresizable text areas16:34
@rizensite setup wizard16:35
@khennwho are you talking to?16:35
@rizentool tips16:35
@rizenAMH_mari16:35
@rizentool tips = hover help16:35
+MrHairgreaseI have this friggin problem haunting me all day16:39
+MrHairgreasewhat I want to do is this16:39
+MrHairgreaseExtend WG::A::Post with some stuff16:39
+MrHairgreasethat will be called WG::A::Post::Slave16:39
+MrHairgreasethat is easy of course16:40
+MrHairgreasethe problem is however16:40
@khennI think I know the punchline16:40
@khenn=)16:40
+MrHairgreasethat Threads of that type should use base WG::A::Post::Slave16:40
+MrHairgreaseCall such a thread WG::A::Post::Slave::Thread16:40
+MrHairgreasebut how do I get the methods of WG::A::P::Thread into that class?16:41
+MrHairgreaseI cannot inherit directly16:41
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@khennthe only way to do it is to customize all the way through16:42
+MrHairgreasesince use base 'WG::A::P::Thread' would inherit from WG::A::P16:42
@khennDoug made some fizes16:42
@khennfixes16:42
+MrHairgreasenot my new post16:42
@khenntot he class16:42
+MrHairgreaseIf it would only export all its crap i think i would work16:42
+MrHairgreasewhat fixes?16:42
+MrHairgreaseare they in svn?16:42
@khennI'd have to ask16:43
@khennwe did this for a client earlier this year16:43
@khennI think the way he did it was:16:43
+MrHairgreaseRight now I'm trying out mixin16:43
SDuensinGreetings.16:43
@khennWG::A::Wobject::CustomCollab16:43
@khennWG::A::Post::CustomThread16:43
@khennWG::A::CustomPost16:43
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:44
@khennand you have to change the ref points16:44
+MrHairgreasethat's what i do too16:44
@khennoh, then I misunderstood the issue16:44
+MrHairgreasebut how do I get the vanilla thread methods into my new thread16:44
+MrHairgreasewithout copying all the code16:44
@khennoh16:45
@khennyou could use the isa method off the object16:45
@khennisa(WG::A:Post::Thread16:45
+MrHairgreasethat doesn't work16:46
+MrHairgreasebecause it'll bypass my custom post16:46
+MrHairgreasephone16:46
+MrHairgreasebrb16:46
@khennthen isa(WG::A::Post)16:46
@khennsince thread inherits from that16:46
+MrHairgreasewhen I make the new thread isa(WG::A::Thread) defintion will do this16:49
+MrHairgreasedef(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::post)16:50
+MrHairgreasebut I want def(wg::a::p::slave::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::thread) -> def(wg::a::p::slave) -> def(wg::a::post)16:51
@rizenMrHairgrease, as far as I know it is not possible to do inheritance in the way you're looking to do it16:51
@rizento make this work you have to do it this way16:51
@khennyeah16:51
@khennyou are not doing the inheritance right16:52
@rizen1) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post16:52
@rizenas WebGUI::Asset::Post:NewPost16:52
AMH_mari@Rizen: thanks, will check the items from your list specifically.16:52
@rizen2) subclass WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread as WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread::NewThread16:52
@rizen3) Create a mixin class outside of both subclasses16:52
@rizenfor shared methods16:52
@rizenand bring them into your subclasses16:53
@rizeni know that sucks, but i know of no other way to do what you want to do16:53
+MrHairgreaseok16:53
+MrHairgreaseso use mixin is the way to go16:54
@rizenand it's very important that your new subclasses include W:A:P and W:A:P:T in their namespace16:54
@rizenif they don't, inheritance won't work correctly16:54
+MrHairgreaseok16:55
@rizenactually, that's true of all assets that you subclass16:55
+MrHairgreaseso W:A:P:Slave and W:A:P:T:Slave16:55
@rizenyup16:55
+MrHairgreaseand repectively ISA W:A:P and ISA W:A:P:T?16:57
+MrHairgreaseman this is some confusing crap16:57
@rizenit gets confusing after a while17:02
@rizenit's not so bad on a single asset17:03
@rizenbut when you have a composite asset like the CS17:03
@rizenthat is made up of multiple assets17:03
@rizenthen you get into some real confusing shit17:03
@rizen=)17:03
+MrHairgreasetell me about it17:03
@rizenhmmm.17:03
@rizenthat would make a great talk at the wuc17:04
@rizenthe difference between assets, meta assets, and composite assets17:04
+MrHairgreaseyeah, in a way that you shwo me =)17:04
@rizenand the inheritance issues with each17:04
@rizeni might have to do that for next year17:05
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+MrHairgreaseok17:24
+MrHairgreaseyou may call me dumb now17:24
+MrHairgreasei still don't get it to work17:24
+MrHairgreasewhat's supposed to be in that mixin class?17:24
@rizenyou have to use a mixin utility class17:26
@rizenlike NEXT17:26
@rizenSee RSSCapable17:26
+MrHairgreaseok17:26
@rizenW:A:RSSCapable17:26
+MrHairgreasei was trying to get mixin to work17:27
+MrHairgreasehttp://search.cpan.org/~mschwern/mixin-0.06/lib/mixin.pm17:27
+MrHairgreasebut i'll try next17:27
+MrHairgreasethanks17:27
@rizenmixin might work, never tried that one17:27
+MrHairgreasei'll try the paved roads first17:27
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@khennunix help:  what is the command to see the size of a folder recursively?17:46
+MrHairgreasedu -Sh17:47
@khennnope17:47
@khenndu:  illegal option -- S17:47
+MrHairgreasehuh17:47
+MrHairgreasemoment17:48
@khennmust be -s17:48
+MrHairgrease-S works for me17:48
@khennyeah -s17:48
@khennthanks17:48
+MrHairgreaseyeah you should -s17:48
+MrHairgreasestill -S works for me too17:48
+MrHairgreaseoh17:49
+MrHairgrease-S will give a wrong result anyway17:49
+MrHairgreaseso don't bother=)17:49
@apeironLooks like -S is GNU, whereas a Mac is probably running BSD du.17:56
+MrHairgreaseah well17:56
+MrHairgrease-s was the right one anyway17:56
* MrHairgrease is putting th etread thing on the shelf for today17:58
+MrHairgreaseI have wre 0.8.0 for ubuntu 7.04 btw18:01
+MrHairgreasedo you want me to upload it somewhere?18:01
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@rizenupload.sf.net/incoming18:04
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+MrHairgreasejust drop it in that dir?18:05
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+MrHairgreaseok18:09
+MrHairgreaseit's up18:09
@rizenit's on sf now18:12
+MrHairgreaseok18:13
@rizenhow did the build process go for you? was it smooth as silk?18:13
+MrHairgreaseyes18:32
+MrHairgreaseI did ./build.sh18:32
+MrHairgreaseforgot about it18:33
+MrHairgreaseand when I remembered and checked it was finised18:33
+MrHairgreasenice work18:33
@rizenawesome. that's what was intended18:33
+MrHairgreasebut i gotta go18:33
@rizenlater18:33
+MrHairgreasediner and stuff18:33
+MrHairgreaseand beer18:33
+MrHairgreaseI can use that afterthis unfruitful day18:34
* MrHairgrease is gonna mixin some beer18:34
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+snapcountnot sure if you guys saw this yet: http://xkcd.com/327/18:41
+snapcountlolz18:41
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ckotilyah, thats a good one.20:59
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FireZillahi21:19
FireZillaI have a question. I hope you can help me21:20
snapcount_not until we know what the question is =)21:21
FireZillaI read on the wiki, that Modperl port should not be available from outside of the machine.21:22
@rizenand maybe not even them. some of us (like me) are dumber than others of us (like snapcount)21:22
FireZillaCan you explain why21:22
snapcount_rizen: lol21:23
snapcount_it's because the only thing that needs to talk to that instance is modproxy21:23
FireZillaok, so I just have to block that port with iptables ?21:25
snapcount_or your firewall or even an allow from directive in the apache conf21:25
snapcount_pick your poison21:25
@Haargor change it to only listen on 127.0.0.121:25
snapcount_indeed21:25
@rizenthat only works if your dns is mapped to 127.0.0.1 or you have only one webgui site21:26
FireZillaok. Thanks al lot21:31
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@rizenmartin's genius sometimes astounds me22:01
@preactionhis presentation?22:06
@rizenno, i'm fixing some graphing bugs22:06
@rizenand the graphing system does a bunch of stuff that i had no idea it was capable of22:07
@rizeni have to come up with some cool asset to build that can take advantage of this stuff22:07
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cryolaiAnyone around? I got a question about about WebGUI committing...22:23
@preactionperlbot ask22:24
perlbotAsk forth your question to the all-knowing channel and we shall bestow upon you the answer of correctitude.22:24
@preactionperlbot relearn ask as Don't ask to ask, just ask.22:24
perlbotrelearned entry for ask22:24
cryolaiWhenever I commit something, it doesn't actually commit. It goes into the "Pending versions" and never shows up...22:25
cryolaiThen, a lock shows up on the article or page i just edited, and I have to go back and delete the revisions I just made and the process repeats itself22:26
cryolai...Am I doing something wrong?22:26
@preactionis spectre running?22:26
cryolaiI don't know what that is.22:26
@preactionwhich explains that22:26
@preactionrunning under the WRE?22:27
cryolaiEh...?22:27
@preactionare you running the WRE?22:27
cryolaiI don't know what that is, either...22:27
@preactionso no22:28
@preactioncd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --daemon22:28
cryolaiHmm?22:30
@preactionspectre.pl is located in WebGUI's sbin directory. it is a daemon that must be run with WebGUI22:31
cryolaiWe have hosting, though.22:35
@preactionwith whom?22:36
@preactionask them for support22:36
cryolaiPlainblack, alright.22:36
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elninohello. How do I give a user the ability to use the redirect asset?07:33
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wgGuest54Can anyone tell me if you need root access or access to system files in order to install webgui?10:11
AMH_bobyes, you do (or superuser rights)10:20
wgGuest54Thanks for that.10:20
wgGuest54researching for a customer. Is it just for the /data dire? That's all I see in the wiki10:20
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SDuensinGreetings.15:56
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@apeironHmm?16:54
@rizendeciding whether or not you're cool enough to be op'd16:55
@apeironOh.16:55
@apeironWell, uh..16:55
@apeironI would say not right now, 'cause my Ipv6 tunnel is giving me trouble.16:55
@rizenthe fact that you have an ipv6 tunnel makes you a geek16:56
@rizenbut geeks are cool16:56
@rizenso unless you have some other uncool things about you16:56
@rizeni guess you can keep ops16:56
@apeironphew. Glad to hear that. :)16:56
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cap10morgan_Is anyone loading any RSS feeds from del.icio.us into a syndicated content wobject?17:54
cap10morgan_It doesn't seem to grab the descriptions17:54
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@khennmy initial thought would be malformed RSS.  Have you looked at the feed?17:55
cap10morganyeah17:55
cap10morganit looks basically ok to me17:55
cap10morgani compared it to slashdot's, which does grab the descriptions17:56
@khennThe structures are the same?17:57
cap10morganyeah17:58
cap10morgani can't see any difference17:58
@khennhow about funky characters?17:58
cap10morganhmm... don't see any. some url-escaped stuff in the url's is the closest thing (but you'd expect that)17:58
cap10morganthere are xml entities in there like &#x26;17:59
cap10morganbut those are in the links, and they show up fine17:59
@khennthose are the only two things I can think of that would screw up the RSS feed18:00
cap10morganhmm, very weird18:03
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knowmadHi folks. I'm trying to remember the function that I saw once which can look for a string in an array. Does anyone know the name of that function and what module it's in?18:30
knowmadlooks like the Bug reporting is down on webgui.org....18:33
knowmadFWIW, I'm not encouraged to send an email to noreply@plainblack.com :)18:34
knowmadFound it -- Utility.pm -- sub isIn18:41
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@rizenwhat do you mean bug reporting is down?19:05
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knowmadhi rizen. I was getting an error message when i visited the bugs url19:52
@rizenyou're not now though right?19:53
@rizeni think i fixed it19:53
knowmadlet me check it19:53
knowmadlooks good now19:54
@rizeni forgot to clear the userSessionScratch in the upgrade that i applied yesterday19:54
@rizenso i'll have to put out a new release today that has that fix in it19:54
knowmadAhh, ok.19:54
knowmadrizen: when are you going to branch to 7.5?20:08
@rizenwhen you least expect it20:09
@rizenhehe20:09
knowmadlast week?20:09
@rizenno, that's when you expected it20:09
knowmadhaha. so true!20:09
@rizenyou're thinking that it should be any day now20:09
@rizenso i'm going to have to wait until january20:09
@rizenit was going be be branched today20:10
knowmadwe're kinda hoping. diona has some edits to add that she's almost forgotten20:10
@rizenbut now i have to put out a new release20:10
@rizenso it may be tomorrow20:10
@rizenbut it will be today or tomorrow for sure20:10
knowmadok, we'll try to hold onto those neurons for a couple more days.20:10
@rizenas you might imagine, there's a lot going on right now for us20:10
knowmadyes, i can imagine. 20:10
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cap10morgan_since wre 0.8 requires webgui 7.4, how do you upgrade a 0.7.2 / 7.3.22 site to 0.8 / 7.4?23:37
+snapcountI believe there is a wiki article on how to migrate23:38
+snapcountlemme look23:38
+snapcounthttp://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.823:39
cap10morgan_cool, thanks23:39
+snapcountI think you need to upgrade webgui first23:39
+snapcountthen migrate to latest wre23:40
+snapcountbut I haven't tried either yet so I may be wrong23:40
@rizenYou can upgrade to 7.4 with either 0.7 or 0.823:41
@rizenyou just can't run 7.3 on 0.823:41
@rizenbut you can use 0.8 to upgrade it23:41
+snapcountoh... good to know23:41
@rizenor you can upgrade to 7.4 on 0.723:41
+snapcountthanks dude23:41
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+snapcounthmm04:47
+snapcountis there a macro that can pull user scratch variables04:47
+snapcountI think there was one at some point04:48
+snapcountwell, grep says the answer is no so I guess I'll write it04:50
+snapcountok, I wrote the macro but I'm at an impass05:04
+snapcountdo you think I should allow the user to specify the level of filtering done on the value returned?05:04
+snapcountor just filter all always05:04
+snapcount(this is going to be contributed btw)05:04
+snapcountI don't want people to accidentally open themselves to XSS vulnerabilities and other crap05:05
+snapcountwell, I don't suppose scratch vars were ever intended to hold url encoded html and/or js so I'll just filter it always05:10
@rizenyeah, generally scratch variables hold simple strings or json05:58
@rizenso it's safe to filter HTML05:58
@rizenand smart05:59
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+snapcountcool06:13
+snapcountadded to contribs06:13
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AMH_mari@MrHairGrease - about replacing WebGUI 7.4.8's YUI-library 2.2.2 with version 2.3.1: preliminary results are that this does not affect WebGUI's functioning, which is good because now we can use 2.3.1's ColorPicker.13:25
+MrHairgreaseok13:47
+MrHairgreasecool13:47
+MrHairgreasethought so already13:47
+MrHairgreasebut it's nice to know for sure13:47
@preactionFYI: Vienna is a truly awesome FOSS RSS reader for OSX13:51
@preactioncan I have any more acronyms in there?13:51
+MrHairgreaseBTW13:54
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+MrHairgreasei remember somebody passing on a link about recognizing which linux distro you're running on15:55
+MrHairgreaseeither here or on the dev list15:55
+MrHairgreasebut i cannot fiond it anymore15:55
+MrHairgreaseanybody still knows?15:56
AMH_henryhttp://search.cpan.org/~kerberus/Linux-Distribution-0.14/lib/Linux/Distribution.pm15:56
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah15:57
+MrHairgrease't was a perl module15:57
+MrHairgreasethanks15:57
AMH_henryyw15:57
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SDuensinGreetings.16:10
+MrHairgreasewelcome mr. duensin16:10
+MrHairgreaserizen16:49
+MrHairgreasecurrently i'm trying to migriate a buch of site from wre 072 to 80816:49
@rizenmartin16:49
+MrHairgrease08016:49
@rizencool16:49
+MrHairgreaseam i supposed to access the wreconsole by makin a ssh tunnel?16:50
+MrHairgreaseit's on a remote box16:50
@rizenor with lynx16:51
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+MrHairgreaseok16:51
@rizenor by opening a port in the firewall16:51
+MrHairgreasewhat firewall?16:51
@rizenwell if there's no firewall, then you should be able to just start it up16:51
+MrHairgreaseis wreconsole only listening to localhost?16:51
@rizenand use it directly16:51
@rizenno16:52
@rizenit binds to all ips16:52
+MrHairgreasehmm16:52
+MrHairgreasestarnge16:52
+MrHairgreaseb/c it won't respond when i try to connect to it directly16:52
+MrHairgreaseoh wait16:52
+MrHairgreasemaybe it is a firewall after all16:53
+MrHairgreasemoment16:53
+MrHairgreaseis the hostname important?16:54
+MrHairgreaseso if it says connect to me via foobar:6083416:54
@rizennope16:54
+MrHairgreaseok16:54
@rizenonly the port is relevant16:54
+MrHairgreasei'll investigate further16:55
+MrHairgreaseit works via a ssh tunnel16:55
+MrHairgreasebut16:55
+MrHairgreasesomehow everything is completely unstyled16:55
+MrHairgreaseas if the css is not coming through16:55
@rizenwierd16:55
+MrHairgreaseyeah16:55
@rizendid the css file get copied into /data/wre/var16:55
@rizenperhaps you have a permissions problem16:56
+MrHairgreasei'll check16:56
+MrHairgreaseoh yeah16:56
+MrHairgreasethat could be it16:56
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@rizensteveo, you were great in jackass16:56
@rizeni think in jackass 3 you should light your balls on fire16:57
@rizenjust kidding sno16:57
@rizenAMH_bob...i hear you're coming to the WUC16:57
+MrHairgreasehmm16:59
AMH_bobHHHHH16:59
+MrHairgreasestil no workie16:59
+MrHairgreasein the html it says16:59
AMH_bobI just haven't told my wife yet!16:59
+MrHairgrease<link rel="stylesheet" href="/css" type="text/css"     />16:59
AMH_bobeh, I mean: asked my wife yet!17:00
+MrHairgreaseis that what it should say?17:00
@rizenhehe17:00
@rizenholy last minute travel plans 17:00
@rizenthat plane ticket has to cost you 1500 euros17:00
@rizenor more17:00
@rizenor rather, AMH, not you17:00
AMH_bobor a lot less hehehehe17:00
@rizenyes17:01
@rizenyes mhg17:01
@rizenthe console web server translates /css into the file in the var folder17:01
+MrHairgreasebut going to http://localhost:60834/css17:01
+MrHairgreasegives a 40417:01
@rizendo you have a file in /data/wre/var?17:02
+MrHairgreasethat port i tunneled btw17:02
@rizenwreconsole.css17:02
AMH_bobAMH_henry says: 1075 for two round trip tickets17:02
+MrHairgreasethat's in /data/wre/var/setupfiles17:02
+MrHairgreasemaybe it is b/c i'm migrating17:03
+MrHairgreaseand it sees the siteconfs in webgui/etc17:03
+MrHairgreaseso setup is skipped17:03
+MrHairgreasewhen first starting the wreconsole17:03
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:05
+MrHairgreasemanually copying it to wre/var works17:06
@rizenyou still have to run setup though17:07
+MrHairgreasehow do i do that?17:07
@rizenyou're supposed to go to http://localhost;60834/setup17:07
+MrHairgreaseit's not in the migration wiki =)17:07
@rizenit says that right in the install.txt17:07
+MrHairgreaseoh right17:08
+MrHairgreasemy bad17:08
@rizenno, the migration wiki says to follow the install instructions17:08
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:08
+MrHairgreaseit's friday here too17:08
@rizenhehe17:08
+MrHairgreaseok17:09
+MrHairgreaseyou may belittle me for a couple of minutes at the wuc =)17:09
+Radix_just a couple of minutes?17:10
+Radix_he'd do that normally I'm sure :)17:10
+MrHairgreasehehe17:11
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@rizenmhg, i would never belittle you17:15
@rizenwell except that one year at the wuc where i said you sound the same whether your mouth is full or not17:16
@rizenbut that was more endearingly funny17:16
@rizenand i wouldn't say that again17:16
@rizenit's been done17:16
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@rizenbesides, i owe you a whole lot of beer money for your WCC winnings17:17
@rizenhow can i give you a wad of cash and then belittle you17:17
@rizenit just wouldn't be right17:17
@rizenMrHairgrease: so now that you're following the install instructions, how have the migration instructions been17:19
@rizeni wrote them after migrating one of my own servers17:20
@rizenso i hope they are complete17:20
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+MrHairgreasebye guys17:59
+MrHairgreasewe are there ready with17:59
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AMH_bob@rizen: The word is out, I'm comming to the WUC!21:18
@rizensweet21:18
AMH_bobdude21:18
@rizenand the wife isn't killing you or anything21:18
AMH_bobnope, she would rather have me here, but she just loves me too much!21:19
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SDuensinrizen!  Quit working so hard and play with the new ZKD update I pushed today.  New demo and all.  :-)22:51
knowmadWhat's ZKD?23:19
+snapcountZore King of Destruction23:21
+snapcountZebras Kick Donkeys23:21
+snapcountzOMG Kittens Dancing23:21
+snapcountok I'm out of guesses23:21
@rizenzk desktop23:22
@rizenwhich uses the zk ajax/java framework23:22
@rizento build a web based desktop23:22
+snapcountnice... I've seen some of the stuff YUI can do as far as making desktop like interfaces23:27
+snapcountI'll have to check zk out23:27
knowmadZKD looks like Meebo23:35
knowmadwonder if it's built on zkd...23:36
@rizenSD, the WUC is next week23:38
@rizenyou really can't think i'm going to take a break now23:38
@rizen=)23:38
@rizeni haven't even got 7.5 branched yet23:38
@rizenwhich knowmad...i swear will be done today23:38
knowmaddon't forget, you said that would happen today23:38
@rizenwe're just having a little trouble with the 7.4.10 release23:39
knowmadok, i'll be watching for it ;)23:39
@rizenfound a last minute bug23:39
@rizenfixing, releasing, then we'll branch23:39
knowmadthere's always something...23:39
@rizenthis one brought down plainblack.com23:39
@rizenso it's pretty serious23:39
knowmadyeah, that's pretty bad.23:39
knowmadis it safe to migrate from 7.3.13 to 7.4.9 or should i go to 7.4.8 until 7.4.10 is out?23:40
knowmadthis is for a test server23:40
knowmadbut i don't want to waste time debugging something you're about to fix23:40
@rizen7.4.10 will be out in 20 minutes23:41
@rizenjust wait23:41
nubahey guys23:44
@rizenstraw nuba23:45
* nuba resuming "normal life"23:45
@preactionnormal? sounds boring23:45
nubaheh its not everyday my grandma dies you know23:45
nubahappens only twice23:45
nubain life23:46
@rizeni have 2 or three die on me a week23:46
@rizeni name all my pet flies grandma23:46
@preactionwhat features are advertised as Coming in 7.5 (that i could use for potential adopters?)23:46
@rizennone until the speech at the wuc23:47
@preactionah, k23:47
nubaso a lot of backlog to catch up with in #webgui23:47
nubadid I miss anything? any outstanding event?23:47
@preactionthe WUC?23:47
nubanot going23:48
@preactionawww23:48
@rizenwe'll miss you23:48
@preactionwe'll let you know how it goes23:48
nubawell its been a while since the last WUC i attented, you should be used to it already23:48
nubaattended*23:49
@preactionthat just makes us miss you all the more23:49
nubai considered attending this year, but things got pretty messy here23:49
nubamaybe next year23:49
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@rizenok new version is out23:56
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@rizenbranching done00:09
@preactiondarnit, now i have another side-project to do: merge some calendar changes into the 7.5 branch. last time I died from feature creep, this time imma die from side-projects00:10
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@preactioni've noticed a weird problem with the code in assets we currently have: i don't see many assets inheriting the response from processPropertiesFromFormPost00:51
@preactionit can return an array reference of errors00:51
@rizenthat's a legacy issue00:52
@rizenthe ability to return that response was added only recently00:52
@rizen7.3 i think00:52
@rizennot saying it shouldnt' be fixed00:52
@rizenjust giving history00:53
@preactionimma fix it for File / Image / Photo, but i might not be able to rewrite the parts of File and Image that need it00:53
@preactioneh, i'll just do it. it'll be easier / faster to do it right this time00:53
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@preactionhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/13EYEBALL.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&position=&oref=slogin&oref=slogin <- would I get a raise if I put a wG in my eye?01:35
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SynQjo!00:01
SynQI'm alive00:01
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nubaSynQ: enjoy. it wont last forever00:10
SynQhehe00:10
nubaone of the few certain things in life00:10
SynQwhen I'm dead I won't know about it probably00:10
SynQthe only thing to hope is that others will still know who you where00:11
SynQI read you're not coming to the wuc00:12
nubatrue00:13
SynQwill you be online though?00:13
nubamaybe the next one tho00:13
nubaprobably00:13
SynQhow come?00:13
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nubahow come? no, it's "no going"00:14
nubaas in "staying local"00:15
SynQhow come you are not going to the wuc? what is the reason?00:16
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nubai took a supersized vacation at work, just returned home last week00:33
nubait wasnt meant to be so, but i had a family issue arising just after my vacation00:34
nubaif I were to attend to the wuc, I should have been making arrangements for that durint the last weeks00:35
nubashoulda, didnt00:35
+snapcountheh... watching spectre run in debug with 8 workers and 5000 pending workflows is a lot different than watching it with 301:27
+snapcountsetting maxTimeBetween... to 0 prolly helped too01:29
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+snapcountpreaction: you around?04:11
@preactionfor a bit, sup?04:11
+snapcounttrying to find the best way to generate several columns using css and an un-ordered list04:12
+snapcountdo you know of any resources?04:12
@preactiona list apart04:12
+snapcountI've got it working but it's not the best way I'm sure04:12
+snapcountis that a question or an answer =)04:13
@preactionthere's an article on A List Apart for multiple column lists04:13
+snapcountoh04:13
+snapcountso this is a website04:13
@preactionbut you'll only get an easy method by going left-right top-bottom, not top-bottom left-right04:13
+snapcountyeah I figured that out04:14
@preactionthe #css bot is seriously pwn04:14
+snapcountthe other ways involve js right?04:14
@preactionCSS3 provides multiple columns rules, but of course, CSS3 multicolumn isn't supported yet04:14
@preactionJS would be a way to do it, yes04:14
+snapcountok... I'll check out the site04:14
+snapcountget my learn on04:14
+snapcount=P thanks man04:15
+Radix-wrka list apart is a great site04:28
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@preactionbaby-sitting, baby-sitting, baby-sitting servers...12:33
@preactionload average of 10, think that's bad?12:33
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@preactionBonjourno from the WUC!15:26
ckotilsweet. whens it start?15:28
@preaction30 minutes i think15:28
@preactionwell, the school thingies15:29
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xdangerwhere's the live webcast?15:36
@preactionlive webcast? i can't even get my mail from home15:51
@preactionbut i think that's a problem with my home and not this place15:51
@preaction3mbps downspeed, not bad15:52
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SDuensinGreetings.16:01
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-!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.10-stable | WRE 0.8.0 ] The WUC is HERE! Greetings from Madison!16:23
+MrHairgreaseThe Dutch will invade Madison by tomorrow around 4 pm or so!16:35
@preactionyou sure? i've got one sitting right next to me i thinks16:38
AMH_bobHaha, the dutch will probably be sooner than that!16:38
@preactionhe doesn't look like he's been subjugated by a fearmongering society, at least.16:39
AMH_bobWe're leaving Amsterdam tomorrow at 10.30am local time16:40
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+MrHairgreaseah17:12
+MrHairgreaseprolly the same plane then17:12
+MrHairgreaseyou fly with klm?17:13
+MrHairgreaseto chicago?17:13
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AMH_bo1Yep, KLM17:17
+MrHairgreasecool17:17
AMH_bo1AMS->Chicago17:17
+MrHairgreasehow do you travel to madison from chicago?17:17
+MrHairgreaserental car?17:18
AMH_bo1yep17:18
+MrHairgreasecool17:18
+MrHairgreasewe can race you then =)17:18
AMH_bo1haha good luck with that!17:18
AMH_bo1O:-)17:18
+MrHairgreasefamous last words...17:19
AMH_bo1I bet our car can beat your car17:19
AMH_bo1:P17:19
AMH_bo1We're already checked in - Robert had to get us good seats.17:21
AMH_bo1there are (multiple) sites you can check to get the absolute best seats on the plane (I couldn't believe my eyes!)17:22
dapperedodoWe took row 42, the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything17:22
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+snapcountsomebody needs to blog about the WUC while you're there17:27
+snapcountI'll read it17:27
+snapcount=)17:27
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+snapcountespecially the BoF sessions17:30
+snapcountand any little side hacking projects that spawn17:31
+snapcounthell, I might even partake from afar17:31
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@preactioni need a blog again... commctrl.com has been down for AGES17:44
SDuensinI thought about starting one, but I think I'd just bitch.  :-)17:46
+crythiasI started one,17:46
+crythiasthen stopped17:46
+crythiasthen started again.17:46
+crythiasblog.crythias.com17:47
+crythiashee17:47
SDuensinI'm going to need one soon, but it'll be for professional use, not for my personal ranting.17:47
+crythiasyou can use aboutus.org to attach a wiki to any website :)17:48
SDuensinI have a wiki and blog.  I use WebGUI!  :-P17:49
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+snapcountso who is at the WUC that will post to this thing throughout the day?18:57
+snapcountit could be a new tradition? =)18:57
+snapcountI know today and tomorrow are just classes18:57
+snapcountactually, I could throw a site up for all at the WUC to use18:58
+snapcountsort of WUC Wikiblog18:58
+snapcountif anyone is interested let me know and I'll put the site up... I have like 15 webgui-ish domain names and tons of bandwidth, server resources, etc18:59
+snapcountI could even host a collaborative dev environment for any BoF sessions that are going on18:59
+snapcountdamn it, I wish I was freaking there!!!!!!!19:00
+snapcountI'm buying my ticket the day they go on sale next year19:00
+snapcountnever imagined it would sell out19:00
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steveoHow can I find the content of a macro like ^PickRichEditor?20:10
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@preactionsteveo, what do you mean? once it's replaced you won't know where the macro itself was20:30
ckotilmight be able to edit the macro to write out current location to std error or webgui error log20:36
steveoI found it.  I need a use statement before processing my template.20:40
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elninohi. I have a user that want's to change the url of the collaboration thread.  I can't find the name of the field to make that available in the template. i tried url.form, but the text box didn't appear as expected.00:04
xdangerI think there aren't any simple way to allow that for a regular user00:05
xdangersince the urls are autogenerated00:05
elninoI would think it would be like any other asset. if it's blank, it's autogenerated, otherwise you can provide one.  Is this intended behavior for CS or is it a bug? I00:06
elninonix the last "I"00:06
xdangerthe cs overwrites the url process I think...00:07
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elninohmm. that's too bad.00:07
xdangerYou can use the "Change url" function as an admin, but I'm not sure how you could provide that functionality to the user with unmodified webgui00:08
steveoI thought that if a URL was provided, as long as it was unique it would be used.00:08
steveoIf it wasn't WebGUI would modify it slightly so that it was made unique.00:09
elninoyes with all other assets. But I'm just trying to allow the user to enter a url for a *thread* asset, but it's apparantly not available.00:10
steveoBut I might be mistaking admin behavior with something else.00:10
elninoI could have sworn I was able to as admin, but I'm not... I'm wondering if it *disabppeared * when I upgrade to 7.3.22 (or whatever the last stable was before 7.4*)00:11
SynQok00:13
SynQleaving home for madison in +6 hours00:13
SynQlater00:13
SynQ~00:13
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dj_perlHello preaction, I'm going to use webguidev.navman.com for development. Is that ok?00:40
@preactiondevelopment of navman things is probably fine00:41
dj_perlWell, it's for gallery. I need a server where I can install Perl/CGI scripts, and dispatch iPhoto export commands to WebGUI.00:42
@preactionyou can't dispatch iphoto export commands to localhost?00:42
dj_perlSure, but I'd have to install and configure a WRE.00:43
@preactionthat would be preferred00:44
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+MrHairgreaseso01:42
+MrHairgreasehow is the wuc going?01:42
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perlDreamerMrHairGrease: inverted character class : /[^aeiou]/  # do not match vowels01:50
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perlDreamerYou should pick up a copy of the Mastering Regular Expressions by Jeffrey Freidl01:55
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SDuensinGreetings.17:12
@preactionbonjourno17:12
SDuensinbanjokazooie17:14
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@preaction"Boot Camp Assistant Beta has Expired" wtf?18:49
@apeironpreaction, It doesn't like you, and I don't blame it. :)19:08
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AMH_bobHi everybody, we're finally in a hotel room in Madison. Hard to believe I was riding my bike to the train station this morning in Roermond, Holland 21 hous ago - boy was this a long day!04:45
AMH_bobI'm looking forward to tomorrow!04:45
AMH_bobGoodnight!04:45
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AMH_bobGood morning13:54
xootomMorning13:58
AMH_henryhey bob!14:02
AMH_henryhow was your flight?14:02
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AMH_bobLong14:11
AMH_bobHet is nu 6am hier14:11
AMH_bobIt's still early and we're goingto get ready for the WUC soon.14:12
AMH_bobWe slept alright - probably shook the jetlay off by now (hopefully).14:13
AMH_henryic.. have fun at the WUC14:16
+Radix_Have a good WUC!14:24
AMH_bobThanx! Until later!14:27
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+MrHairgreaseare we there yet?15:20
* MrHairgrease is hungry15:21
dapperedodoplop15:21
+MrHairgreaseflop15:23
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SDuensinGreetings.16:56
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@KhennGreetings from the WUC!!!18:25
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+perlDreamerprepare for a flood of WUC attendees18:26
+perlDreamerwe just found a way around the hotel firewall18:26
+perlDreamer++apeiron18:26
nubassh tunneling?18:27
+perlDreamernew port18:27
+perlDreamer7000 vs 666718:27
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@KhennGreetings again from the WUC on port 7000 =)18:27
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@apeironThese nubs don't have a machine at home for SSH, so they had to bypass. :)18:29
knowma1well, not all of us are using command-line clients18:30
@apeironCould still tunnel SSH,shrug.18:31
knowma1ok, i admit it; i'm being lazy18:32
+perlDreameramazon just released EC2 for "all developers"18:32
+perlDreamertime to look into moving wG tests over there18:32
nubaheh18:33
knowma1how much do they charge for the service?18:33
+perlDreamerdon't know, just reading slashdot headlines18:33
+perlDreamerhttp://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/ann.jspa?annID=24118:33
knowma1i wrote an interface to the AWS ecommerce system18:33
knowma1it was easy to do18:33
* perlDreamer is WRE ignorant...18:34
+perlDreamerDoes the WRE guarantee that uploads directories have the right permissions?18:35
@apeironperlDreamer, https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/photogallery/WebGUI/t/lib/lib/WebGUI/Test <-- testing system pr[tab][tab] (dammit) er, Doug is working on.18:35
knowma1apeiron: is your webgui.org handle 'fishingfan'?18:35
@apeironwhoops18:35
@apeironknowma1, Nope.18:35
+perlDreamertime for a new wiki page ;)18:36
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@apeironhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/branch/photogallery/WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ <-- working version 'cause I suck at the intarwebs.18:36
nubaknowma1: i think fishingfan was len's handle18:37
nubaiirc18:37
knowma1nuba: is len here?18:37
+perlDreamerhow about if everyone adds a name/entry/handle entry to http://www.webgui.org/wuc/wiki/who-are-you18:37
knowma1I mean at the WUC18:37
+perlDreamerhaven't seen len18:37
nubalen = Len Kranendonk18:37
+perlDreamerI heard he's being a dad this year18:37
nubabbiaw18:38
@apeironI guess labelling myself as "PB noob, IRC addict" wouldn't be too professional, eh?18:38
+perlDreamereh18:39
+perlDreamerwe're geeks18:39
@apeironThinking about things more, it seems really silly that they're blocking IRC. wtf's with that?18:42
@Khennaperion: less chatting on IRC = more learning at WUC!18:44
+perlDreamerdoes anyone else have a Test::MockObject test failure with t/Asset/File/Image.t?18:53
@Khennis Graphics::Magick working for you?18:53
@Khennthat could be causing the issue18:53
+perlDreamerI don't think it's getting that far into the code, it's dying when I mock the module.18:54
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@Khennhmm18:54
+perlDreamercould install G::M and try...18:54
preactionit doesn't realize that irc.freenode.net:6667 = irc.freenode.net:7000 :p18:54
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+perlDreamerGraphics::Magick is not on CPAN?18:55
@preactionit's like Image::Magick, it needs to be installed with GM18:55
@preactionif you're on FreeBSD, you need to muck with the Makefile18:55
+perlDreamerpreaction: one downside to multiple test files is that perl has to invoke a separate interpreter for each file, so it may slow testing down.18:58
@preactionunderstandably, plus all the other loading that each test does, but imho it's easier to understand the tests themselves18:58
@preactiononce you get to 500, 1000+ lines, you need to keep a lot of things in your head when reading it18:58
+perlDreamerthis is true18:59
@preactionthe 7+/-2 magic number of things you can keep in your head or whatevz18:59
+perlDreamerPlus, and it isn't released yet, but there is a TAP::Harness::Parallel, which works like make -j N18:59
@preactioni can send you an example, i also did some reformatting with some lines and sections18:59
@preactionooooh18:59
+perlDreameryeah!18:59
+perlDreamerwe've been using it in parrot in a branch18:59
+perlDreamerand the new prove will use it by default (prove from TAP::Harness/Test::Harness 2.99_3)19:00
@preactiondefinately awesomecore19:00
+perlDreamerbut you have to take care about temporary files and the like19:00
@preactionwell, yeah19:00
@preactionoh, i added some more methods to WebGUI::Test. i added my getPage and some more functions for getCollateralPath (you can pass in a filename now)19:01
+perlDreamernice19:01
+perlDreamerand it does OS insensitive file joinery?19:01
@preactioni think maybe not. i think i was bad-lazy and just appended a '/'19:03
+perlDreamerwell, that does work on modern Windows19:03
+perlDreamerand no one I know runs WebGUI on VMS19:03
@preactionit's in my branch for the photo gallery, https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/photogallery/WebGUI19:03
+perlDreamer7.5 merge?19:03
@preactionit will when I'm done19:03
@preactioni suppose I can merge some things back into 7.5 this week19:04
@preactionwell, WebGUI::Test::Maker is still looking for approval, not one of the devs i emailed it to have even looked at it yet19:04
+perlDreamerhow many other volunteer devs are there nowadays?19:04
@preactionmartin, yung, arjen was at the perl workshops so he might start, morgan, roy, ... we might be approaching 10 these days19:05
@preaction6 at least, maybe a dozen19:05
+perlDreamersweet19:06
@Khennpreaction:  did you merge all the stuff that was in the 7.5 pre-branch folder?19:06
@preactionhttp://www.ohloh.net/projects/103?p=WebGUI <- a fun little website that tracks SVN commits19:06
@preactionKhenn, no, nor the stuff that opal did for the Calendar/Event stuff19:07
@Khennok19:07
@Khennwe have to do that at some point19:07
@preactionsounds like a good project for today19:07
@Khennand by we, I mean you of course =)19:07
@preactionof course19:07
+perlDreamerthe royal "we"19:08
@Khennwhat is the best way to commit bug fixes now that we have branched?19:08
@preactionare we sure nobody else has merged that stuff yet?19:08
@Khennshould you fix in 7.4 and patch to 7.5?19:08
@Khennor the other way around?19:08
+perlDreamerI commit them to trunk, then backport to branch19:08
@preactionKhenn, make the bugfix in 7.4 and svn merge command19:08
@Khennk19:08
+perlDreamertest in both19:08
@Khennha19:09
@preactiontrunk is 7.4 still19:09
@KhennI work out of head19:09
@Khennshould I stop that?19:09
@preactionmake sure you restrict the svn merge to a specific revision19:09
@preactionhead is a revision19:09
@preactiontrunk is a "branch" (just the "main" branch)19:09
@Khennright19:09
@Khennbut I should probably check out that version19:09
@Khennand do bug fixing out of there19:09
@KhennI'll create a local copy of it19:09
+perlDreamerdude, I think head is 7.519:10
@preactionof the 7.5 branch? you have "trunk" now19:10
@preactionreally?19:10
+perlDreameryeah19:10
+perlDreamerthere's a 7.4 branch19:10
@Khennyeah19:10
@Khennhead is 7.519:10
+perlDreamerand WebGUI.pm says 7.519:10
@preactionah19:10
@Khennthat's what I thought19:10
@KhennI just upgraded this morning19:10
@Khennso I need a 7.4 branch19:10
@preactionthen i usually end up fixing in trunk (7.5) and then backporting the fix using svn merge19:10
@Khennand then I can patch it to 7.519:10
@preactionyou don't NEED it, but it will work just as well19:10
@Khennblech19:10
@Khennthat's going to cause problems19:10
@preaction(svn merge will do the same thing as what you'd do)19:10
+perlDreameryark!  G::M borked my dev box19:10
@preactionpd: nice19:11
@Khennok19:11
@KhennI'll need to learn how to use svn merge19:11
+perlDreamerif you can do svn diff, you can do merge19:11
+perlDreamerit's pretty simple19:11
@KhennI'm guessing its not too difficult19:11
@Khennyeah19:11
@Khennjust something I've never done19:11
@preactionsvn help merge, it basically does the same thing as: svn diff > file; mv file mybranch; cd mybranch; patch -p0 < file; svn ci19:11
@Khennright19:12
@preactionplus, iirc, it will notify you of things it failed to merge, i don't know really though19:12
@preactiondunno how it handles that19:12
+perlDreamerI think it gives you the same status output as svn update19:13
+perlDreamergoing to try a reboot to fix the linker19:13
+perlDreamerbrb19:13
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@Khennpreaction:  I thought you said you had checked your work on the photo gallery into svn ...19:23
@preactioni have my own branch i made19:23
@Khenni see19:23
@Khennwhat branch?19:23
@preactionhttps://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch <- the available branches19:24
@preactionmines' photogallery19:24
@preactioni made it before the 7.4 branch, and its something we should do to have a sandbox for large applications19:24
@preaction"photogallery"19:24
@preactionthis way my stuff is backed up19:24
@Khennthanks19:24
@KhennI want to take a look at what you are doing with i18n19:24
@preactionit's in the Photo asset iirc, i didn't do all the ideas i had, just the class method19:25
@preactionfeel free to comment though19:25
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@Khennk19:25
@preactionoh, and you'll notice how i end up calling it: $class->SUPER::__PACKAGE__->i18n($session), which is ugly and needs to change19:25
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SynQjo!20:56
+MrHairgreaseCone!20:57
SynQMartin!20:57
+MrHairgreaseMr Martin to you!20:57
SynQmy name is not cone20:57
SynQso I don't know why I respond20:58
+MrHairgreasehehe20:58
+MrHairgreaseI was just typing that20:58
SynQI have to put down some feature requests now20:58
+MrHairgreaseyou go do that20:58
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+perlDreameranyone seen Vrby? Jt's looking for him.21:10
@Khennhe's not on the 6th floor21:10
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@preactionrofl there's a "CMS Made Simple" CMS (in PHP, it's almost WebFUI)22:42
@preactionwe should sue for infringement22:42
@Khennurl?22:42
@preactionhttp://cmsmadesimple.org22:43
@KhennI didn't see anything special?  what were we suing for? 22:44
@Khennah, the use of "Made Simple" eh?22:44
@Khennwe are Web Done Right =p22:45
@preactionCMS Made Simple v. Web Made Simple22:45
@preactionah, of course22:45
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+perlDreamerpreaction: ping22:46
@preactiondouble-ewe tee eff?22:46
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/sorting-by-number-of-replies-not-sorting22:46
+perlDreamershould replies be added back in, or template vars taken out?22:47
@preactioni could've swore i copypasta'd the getThreadPaginator thing22:47
@preactionhum...22:47
+perlDreamerI think it predates that22:47
+perlDreamerI'm guessing that this is an _old_ bug.22:48
+perlDreamerAlthough it did use to work that way22:48
@preactionso the template still exposes a URL for it to be sorted by number of replies?22:48
+perlDreameryes22:48
@preactionimho, if that is there then it's a bug that should be fixed22:49
+perlDreamersee getViewTemplateVars22:49
@Khennis it not supposed to ?22:49
+perlDreamerthat's the question22:49
@KhennWe don't typically take functionality away22:49
@Haargi think this is due to what i changed recently22:49
@Khennmy guess is it has to do with the bug fix they just did22:49
@Haargit used to allow sorting by any field22:49
+perlDreamerYes22:49
@preactionwhy not? if it was insecure we could just use DBI->quote_identifier22:50
@Khennthey just fixed that ancient bug which would sometimes not update the number of replies22:50
@preactionthat was a little different, and that's serious legacy22:50
@Khennancient > serious legacy =)22:50
+perlDreamerHow 'bout if I go through the list of sortBy URLs and make sure they all work?22:50
@KhennIt's broke because I don't think replies are stored in the database anymore22:51
@KhennI remember the column being dropped22:51
+perlDreamer...checking22:51
@Khennit's probably counting the lineage22:51
@Khennthat would be my guess22:51
@preactionwhich is what it should do, really22:51
@preactionbut that's slow like turtl22:52
@Khennyar22:52
+perlDreamerthat's what it does do, now22:53
+perlDreamerthe CS has a replies field and a threads field22:53
+perlDreamercached in the DB for speed, probably22:53
+perlDreameriy22:56
+perlDreameroy22:56
+perlDreamerthat whole sortBy needs to be abstracted into a method22:57
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@Khennheh23:14
@Khennport 6667 works down in on the 2nd floor through the other wireless network23:14
+perlDreamerThe hotel needs a bug list23:19
@Khennwhat bugs have you found?23:19
@KhennI haven't seen any ants or beetles =))23:19
+perlDreamerTell JT that his article was published live on CIO.com23:22
@apeironperlDreamer, Tell Ryan/Tavis to announce CIO article at afternoon plenary per JT.23:30
+perlDreamermessage relayed23:31
+perlDreamerjust who are these non-IRC slackers, anyway?23:31
@preactionthey think they're important to the company i think23:32
+perlDreameractually, there are 4 CIO articles23:37
+perlDreamertavis is having kittens23:37
@preactionrofl23:37
@preactionnot surprised23:37
@apeironWow, four? shit.23:39
@preactionwhoa, keep it PC23:40
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+perlDreamerhey, 6th floor guys!23:54
+perlDreamercome on down for closing talk23:54
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@apeironpreaction++ # helpful in meatspace00:13
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cryolaiIf i have a file for download on WebGUI, how can I make it so that visitors do not have to create an account to access that file??00:20
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@apeironick, coffee shop wifi is not the place to download a 600 MB ISO image.01:08
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@apeironAm reading JT's articles on CIO and they tie in with his keynote really well, IMO.04:19
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SDuensinGreetings.16:11
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@preactionI'm down here on second floor with the COOL PEOPLE16:36
SynQI'm up here on sixth floor with the NERDS16:40
@preactionyeah, but you get Chris Dolan's lecture, which is undeniably awesome16:41
@preactionPerl::Critic++16:41
SynQand Chris has exquisite pronounciation :)16:42
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@preactionhe's definately good at what he's doing, i'll give him that. i can only hope at 9:30 i can be half as good16:43
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+perlDreamerhe's here21:42
+perlDreamerhe's gone21:42
+perlDreamerhe's back, with a new name21:42
+perlDreamerthat one's gone, too21:42
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@preaction_i am empowered!22:21
+perlDreamerI thought you were preaction :)22:22
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@empowerednono, see?22:26
+perlDreamerah, yes22:26
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+perlDreamerGot time for a bug check?22:26
@preactionsurely22:26
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/how-to-kill-a-webgui-website22:27
@preactionoh, that's valid, it'll work22:27
@preactioni wouldn't do it, but it'll work22:27
@preactionbasically forget to commit your new user login template and then log out22:27
@preactionthe fix would be, imho, not allowing uncommitted templates to be chosen there22:28
+perlDreamerThat's what I did.22:28
khenn_right22:28
@preactionk, there's that new way to return errors from the settings page22:28
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@preactionoh, wait, that was just for Auth modules22:28
+perlDreamerActually, I blocked it from the list of templates22:28
@preactionoooooh, better idea22:28
+perlDreamerYeah, so changes to Asset::Template->getList, Form/Template.pm and Operation/Settings.22:29
@preactionwell, i dunno. they might be stuck in "OMG Where's my template!" hell22:29
+perlDreamerHow 'bout some additional hoverHelp for that one?22:29
@preactionthat would probably work22:30
+perlDreameradded22:31
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+perlDreamerhas the changelog policy been changed?22:42
+perlDreamerhm22:42
+perlDreamerI mean, should this fix be against 7.4.11, or 7.5?22:42
@preaction7.4.1122:43
+perlDreamerthere's way too much js in svn22:45
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+perlDreamerno matter "what" the constructor is?22:52
+perlDreamerWebGUI::MyObject->construct ?22:53
+perlDreamerdoes it use introspection?22:53
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SDuensinGreetings.16:50
preactionmorning16:51
AMH_henryafternoon16:53
preactionyou're not at the WUC?16:54
AMH_henryme? nope16:55
preactionone of your co-workers / constituents?16:57
preactioni know someone presented some of the work that AMH was doing with webgui16:57
AMH_henryyes, AMH_bob is there along with our boss16:57
preactionahh16:57
preactiona lot more ppl here than i predicted, so it's hard to keep track of who everyone is, where they're from, etc...16:58
AMH_henryhave you seen the presentation?16:59
preactioni dont think i saw the actual presentation, there was a BOF session about "What do you do with WebGUI" and someone from AMH showed off Swifty17:03
AMH_henryic... who do you think of it?17:03
AMH_henry/who/what/17:03
preactionit's definately interesting, if necessarily a bit hackish17:03
preactiondoes fix some problems with webgui being hard to use17:04
preactioni like the wizard-like features of it17:04
preactionJT really liked it too, and said he'd like to try to merge some of the ideas (if not some of the code) into WebGUI17:04
preactionJT showed off some screenshots of a potential future admin interface that isn't as wizard-like (which is a drawback), but is easier than the current admin interface17:05
AMH_henryyeah, i've seen those screenshots. more ajax like. that's nice. in the current form, swifty is very limited. i hope we can add some for ajax too.17:08
preactionyeah, there's so much that can be done with improving the admin interface it's hard to know where to start ;)17:10
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* apeiron push @projects, "module to format code for presentations";17:33
nubaapeiron: long time ago i used to choose a nice colorscheme on vim, then export that as HTML17:59
nubaapeiron: i remember it was easy to touch it up afterwards17:59
nubathose are a teacher's delight: syntax-colored programming assignments18:04
nuba:D18:05
@apeirone.g. for presentations. :)18:05
nubayeah imagine how you'd feel when, after reading pages and pages of monotonous monochromatic (and sometimes problematic) code, someone turns a colorful code page for review18:07
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nubaheh18:11
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knowma1what is the url for the online api docs?18:24
preactionhttp://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.4.10-stable/api/18:26
preactionreplace 7.4.10-stable as you will18:26
knowma1thank you18:27
preactionIT'S SHOWTIME!18:39
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nubais preaction presenting something at the wuc?18:50
ToptygHi all can I run webgui under apache 13 ?18:51
nubaToptyg: its not supported anymore, you should look for apache2+modperl218:53
nubaits been like that since the 7.x series..18:54
nubayou can try your luck with older releases, but you'll be missing a lot of stuff18:55
nubawhats your scenario?18:55
Toptygheh18:56
Toptygcan I use fcgi perl?18:56
nubaif possible, you should go for running webgui with the WRE18:56
nubayou need modperl18:57
ToptygI woona use Nginx ... 18:57
nubanginx?18:57
nubais that edible?18:57
Toptygyes18:57
nubaoh i remember seeing about it once.. fastmail's imap proxy of choice18:58
ToptygI may use Nginx+ apache..18:58
nubawell you should know that there's a fine-tuned reverse proxy already being shipped with the WRE18:59
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nubaa slim apache doing mod_proxy stuff18:59
ToptygBetter use Apache 2.2 or 2.0 ?19:00
nubathen a fatty apache doing the webgui magik19:00
nubabetter use the WRE19:00
ToptygNginx it front-end ...he cool work with static..19:00
nubaall you need to run webgui is in the WRE, you should donwload it and inspect the package, then you'll understand it better19:01
Toptygwhat is the wre ? )19:02
nubaof course, youre not obligated to use everything from the WRE, you can just choose not use wre's mod_proxy-enabled apache and use nginx instead19:02
nubahttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=14891319:03
ToptygWhy does not exist port for freebsd? with webgui 19:04
Toptygaaa19:04
nubamaybe cause no one made one yet?...19:04
ToptygI use Freebsd :) 19:05
nubawould be nice to do cd /usr/ports/www/webgui; make install19:05
nubai use mostly freebsd too19:07
Toptyg heh no exist in my collection ) try to find in site..19:07
nubayou would need to work a bit on webgui's directory tree to make it work accordingly to freebsd's filesystem layout19:09
Toptygugu i all understand..19:10
nubayeah, man 7 hier19:10
ToptygI am fron Russia.. I know http://4site.ru CMS on perl.. 19:11
Toptygbut webgui better on first apinion19:12
Toptygmany people say that in 4site many sql selection19:13
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Toptygand they load server more19:14
nubai dont quite get what youre saying, would it be "you hear on 4site people saying that webgui does too many sql queries and causes a higher load in the server"?19:14
Toptygno on site 4site I see warning that for use 4site cms  too more SQL selets..19:18
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Toptyg>50 sql request per script 19:22
nubawell webgui is sql-query-happy too... but webgui's developers are very performance-conscious here as well, so you can kinda assume things arent being dully designed and your resources arent being wasted when youre running it19:25
nubaalso theres caching, which usually improves things a lot19:27
Toptyg:) ok19:27
ToptygU developer webgui? )19:28
Toptygare19:28
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nubano, im not an official developer nor associated with plainblack, but yeah, im writing some code which I plan to contribute back to the community19:31
nubaif that turns into an habit I may even become more involved or take on a bigger role, but right now im just a power-user19:32
nubawho hangs in #webgui19:32
Toptygheh I need go... that is webgui no in ports of bsd is not cool ) many cms add ports for freebsd ) drupal phpbb typa3 ... 19:33
nubathese are on a different league19:34
nubayou should go to demo.plainblack.com and get yourself a running instance of webgui to play with19:35
nubathen look at all the stuff in the WRE19:35
nubathen you'll understand why i say "they're a different league"19:36
Toptyg) I have done it yet19:36
Toptygthx for help. bye19:37
nubait may be that your needs are satisfied with something simpler like frupal or phpbb..if so, then maybe using webgui is overkill for you..19:37
nubabye19:37
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@khennHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggg20:55
@reactionwheeeee21:04
@reactionperlbot, 8ball Will people confuse me for preaction?21:14
perlbotMagic 8ball says: Yes21:14
nubayou can try postaction too, its not taken yet i guess..21:21
AMH_bobHey khenn, you're active in IRC!!!!21:50
@khennactive?  I wouldn't go that far =21:50
AMH_bob:P21:51
@khennI just recently learned how to make the IRC client on the mac alert me21:51
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dionakin the monthly calendar view, what's the variable to get the url of the previous and next months? i thought it was prevPageUrl and nextPageUrl... but that's sending me back to the previous year and next year. 22:13
@khennreaction would know that22:14
preactiondionak, currently there is no way. the "page" is named such because of a future consideration of showing multiple months22:15
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preactionperhaps it would make more sense to change it to nextYear and then make nextPage work the way you want it to22:15
dionakthat makes sense. thanks.22:16
@khennthere is a way to page through months22:16
@khenneach month should have a URL22:16
preactionits a loop22:16
@khenndoes it use a month abbreviation?22:16
@khennit passes in a dateformat or something right?22:16
dionakyes, a date format22:16
preactionyou could write an HTML::Template::Expr template, sure22:16
dionakthat's an idea22:17
@khennyou could write a macro to compute the next and previous date formats22:17
@khennnot sure what you'd do with HTML::Template::Expr22:17
preactionusing some more evilness, when since you're a comitter all you have to do is submit the RFE, fix it, and it'll be the way you want it22:17
dionakhm...yes. i'm under a tight timeline but i'll see what i can do. 22:18
@khennthe macro should be like 3 lines of code22:19
preactionso would the addition of a prevMonthUrl and nextMonthUrl :p22:19
preactionthat would be useful to everyone22:19
@khenn$session->datetime->add($currentmonth,0,1,1);22:19
@khennor something22:19
dionakcool, thanks. i'll look into it22:20
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ckotilwhats the string to append to get the print view?23:38
@khennprint view of what?23:40
ckotilanything, using the fail safe template.23:40
ckotilpage layout for instance.23:40
@khennoh23:40
@khennto see the raw content of an asset from the url?23:40
ckotilyeah. i thought there was something you could append to the url.23:41
@khenn?func=ajaxInlineView23:42
ckotilsweet. thanks khenn 23:42
ckotilwow. thats pefect actually. I created a special template at the request of my service desk for organizing a 'playbook'23:43
ckotilthey neglected to mention they wanted to print it from their browsers.23:43
ckotilwell this solves that ;)23:43
@khenncool23:44
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SDuensinWhy does WebGUI hate me?05:59
SDuensinI have a pending version and Spectre says there are zero workflows to process.05:59
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dionaki'm wanting to go through and entire site's article collection, search for a string and replace it. it's a domain name that is prefixing all the links in articles. has anyone done this? not sure if anyone is actually online today either. ;)20:32
dionakfrank inspired me to do this with a script and i'm not sure if i should pull the records straight from the db or pull objects for the articles.20:33
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cap10morgandionak: you can do that w/ a utility script21:15
cap10morganyou can pull all assets of a certain class (in this case, WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article)21:16
cap10morganand then edit them however you want and commit the version tag21:16
cap10morgan(all from the script)21:16
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dionakyes, that's pretty much my plan but i'm trying to see how to pull all the article assets and edit the description. 21:45
cap10morganwell, for pulling the articles, you'd do...21:45
cap10morgani'm doing something similar in another script, let me pull it up21:47
dionakk21:47
dionakok, i've got all the articles as article objects and have the search and replace working. should i create a new revision? thinking yes..22:13
dionaki think i've got it but would still love to see your code.22:49
cap10morgandionak: sorry, lunch called :)23:15
cap10morganok, here's what my code does:23:15
dionaknp. 23:15
cap10morganI'm getting collab systems, so I have:23:16
cap10morganmy $root = WebGUI::Asset->getRoot($session);23:16
cap10morganmy $collabSystems = $root->getLineage(['self','descendants'], {returnObjects=>1, includeOnlyClasses=>\@exportClasses});23:18
cap10morganoops, and @exportClasses is an array w/ one element:23:18
cap10morganmy @exportClasses = ['WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article']; (in your case)23:19
dionakinteresting...23:19
dionaki ended up doing the following23:21
dionak    select 23:21
dionak        asset.assetId23:21
dionak    from 23:21
dionak        asset23:21
dionak        join assetData on asset.assetId=assetData.assetId23:21
dionak    where 23:21
dionak        asset.className='WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article' 23:22
dionak    order by 23:22
dionak        assetData.revisionDate desc 23:22
dionakmy @articles = $db->buildArray($sql);23:22
dionaksorry for the paste23:22
dionakthen called new on each assetId23:22
cap10morganit should be fine to do something like that, a couple things to bear in mind:23:23
cap10morgan1. doing things against the db could break in the future, but if this is strictly a one-off thing, that's ok23:23
cap10morgan2. this will get you multiple instances of many assets23:23
cap10morgansince there will be multiple revisions in there23:23
dionakit updates every revision doesn't it?23:24
cap10morganhowever, when you call new, it should default to returning the newest revision23:24
dionakoh, ok.23:24
dionaki get it23:24
dionakthis is a one off mass edit. 23:24
cap10morgani try to do things w/ the API as much as possible because my "one-off" scripts usually end up being used more often than I intended23:24
cap10morgan:)23:24
cap10morganbut this should work23:25
cap10morganreally, for that query, you shouldn't even need to join w/ assetData23:26
dionakoh yea, you're right. especially since i'm calling new with the assetId to get the object.23:26
@khenndionak:  you are going to get all of the articles that way23:26
dionakyes, that was my intention. every article on the site. 23:27
@khennnot the latest revision23:27
@khennright, but you'll get all the revisions of all the articles23:27
cap10morgannot if she calls WebGUI::Asset::new on the assetId's23:27
dionakyes, i see. but then calling new returns the latest revision. i should probably have done a group by to reduce the rows. 23:27
cap10morganthat defaults to just returning her the latest revision for each asset23:27
@khennwhat will happen is a bunch of errors23:28
dionakis there a way in the api to return every instance of a particular asset? instead of the db select i used?23:28
@khennnew will not return a valid asset23:28
@khennyes23:28
@khenninstantiate the root23:28
@khennor the root url23:28
dionakok, like cap10morgan's example23:28
@khenn$asset->getLineage23:28
cap10morganoh, hey Frank :)23:29
@khennget all the descendants of the root23:29
cap10morganyeah, listen to khenn, he knows more than me :)23:29
@khennthat are of type article23:29
@khennthe getLineage method will also return you the asset23:29
@khennthe latest revision of the asset too23:29
dionakright on...thanks. 23:30
@khennthen you can loop of the results and do a $asset->update{ description=> ... };23:30
dionakthe docs seem to conflict between the update method and the addRevision method, btw.23:30
dionakthe POD for update says if you want to create a new revision, use addRevision. 23:30
dionakthen addRevision says that programmers don't want to use addRevision directly but rather update()23:31
dionakjust fyi23:31
@khennright23:31
@khennthat's true23:31
@khennif you want to add a new revision, you should use addRevision23:32
@khennif you do ->update23:32
@khennit will update w/o creating a new revision23:32
dionakok. makes a little more sense. 23:32
dionakkhenn, are you frank?23:33
@khennyep23:33
@khennhow was the flight home?23:33
@khenn=)23:33
dionakcool. thanks again for the presentation. i used it today to massively import 130+ articles. :)23:33
@khenngreat!23:33
dionakthe flight was very easy, both of them. have another tomorrow to Montreal. 23:34
dionakso i'm trying to knock some stuff out today. :)23:34
@khennI'm just hanging out.  Fooling around with YUI23:34
dionakYUI's cool. i've been doing a lot with it lately. i learned a lot writing an article about it recently. 23:35
dionaki've got a lightbox prototype in YUI.23:35
@khennI'm going to be adding ajax to some of the form fields23:36
dionakwould love to see it when you get it...23:38
dionakquick question. macros should work in calendar templates right?23:40
dionakoh, nvrmind23:41
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SDuensinAnybody alive tonight?04:01
@preactionof courses04:02
SDuensinI have a problem with Spectre that I can't find.  :-(04:03
SDuensinI committed some changes and they show as "Pending".  Spectre doesn't see them.04:03
SDuensinspectre.pl --test passes just fine.04:04
SDuensinAnd a --status shows zero for everything.04:04
@preactioncommit with or without approval? 04:05
@preactionperlbot step 104:05
perlbotNo matter what, step 1 is always "Check the Error Log"04:05
SDuensinI did step 1.  :-P04:05
@preactionyes, but you did not tell me that you did04:05
SDuensinHey, if it was easy, I'd have fixed it.  :-P04:05
@preactionthis is tech support, unfortunately i have to start at the basics. when you assume you make an ass out of... you know04:06
@preactionnext step: check the WorkflowInstance table, pastebin it somewhere04:06
SDuensinI know.  I've done my fair share of support.  Users suck.04:06
@preactionmore importantly: make sure the tagId => "blah" matches up with the right tagId04:07
@preactiondid you stop spectre and then run it with --run --debug ?04:07
SDuensinThere's a lot of nulls in that table.  That's bad, isn't it?04:08
@preactionlet me see the pastebin04:08
SDuensinWorking on it.04:08
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SDuensinhttp://pastebin.com/m6056343204:09
@preactionit just means that none of them have run yet04:11
SDuensinAh, ok.04:11
SDuensinLemme do --run --debug.04:11
@preactionthe null object with the null parameters is a little weird, probaly means it was made incorrectly but not erroneously04:12
@preaction(there's no problem there at all, i mean)04:12
SDuensinUt oh.  I have a few sites that say:04:13
SDuensinADMIN: [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.cloudcircle.com.conf04:13
SDuensinWhere is it trying to fetch from?04:14
@preactionthe first sitename in your configuration04:16
@preactionand the port specified in spectre.conf04:16
@preactionthe usual fix for this is to add that sitename to your /etc/hosts file04:17
SDuensinHow do I know what is the first site name?  Alphabetical?  Random?04:17
@preactionit's a list.04:17
@preactionthe first one in the list04:17
@preaction"sitename" : ['a','list','of','sitenames'],04:18
@preaction"a" would be the one spectre tries to connect to04:18
SDuensinLooking for that.04:18
SDuensinWonder why it can't find it?  Pings fine.04:20
@preactionfrom where?04:20
SDuensinThe box WebGUI runs on.04:20
@preactionis that the box spectre runs on?04:20
SDuensinYes.04:20
@preactioncan you run "wget <sitename>/?op=spectreGetSiteData" and pastebin the output?04:21
@preactioni think that's what it is04:21
SDuensinChecking.04:21
SDuensinIt returns the home page of the site (currently the WebGUI default page).04:23
SDuensinThat's not right, yea?04:23
@preactionthere should be something in the error log then04:23
SDuensin2007/10/21 04:39:48 - ERROR - www.cloudcircle.com.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Spectre::www_spectreGetSiteData. Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 53.04:24
@preactionnow we're getting somewhere04:25
SDuensin:-)04:25
SDuensinReally.  I looked in the log before.  :-)04:25
@preactionsuuuuure04:25
SDuensin:-P04:25
@preactionit was probably a ways up there (since spectre tries only once to connect to a site)04:25
SDuensin<preaction> Damn users.04:25
@preactionunfortunately, my line 53 is probably very different, since i see no "get" on there at all04:26
@preactionyou're gonna have to let me know what line 53 is04:26
SDuensinPastebin coming.04:26
@preactioni imagine it's $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled");04:26
@preactionwhich i think means that the workflow is gone04:27
@preactiondid you delete a workflow recently?04:27
SDuensinNope.  Pretty much a brand new site.04:27
SDuensinI'd just delete it and make a new one, except it's not the only site doing this.04:27
@preactionthen on any of those sites have you deleted workflows?04:28
@preactionhave you run testEnvironment.pl recently?04:28
SDuensintestEnvironment.pl passes with flying colors.04:28
SDuensinAnd you're correct about what line 53 is.04:28
@preactionany mention in the modperl error log about use/import errors?04:28
SDuensinI don't know if anything has been deleted.  I'm not the webmaster on all these sites.04:28
@preactionhell...04:28
SDuensinLooking.04:28
SDuensinA crapload of "Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big" lines04:30
@preactioneh, it can't be what i thought since deleting a workflow deletes all the instances of that workflow04:30
@preactionthat's not good...04:30
@preactioni forget how to configure that, i believe it's something in preload.perl04:30
SDuensinNothing with me ever is.04:30
@preactionbut, that shouldn't be related to what the problem is04:31
SDuensinYou guys need to inform WebGUI that I'm it's greatest fan and that it needs to quit screwing with me.04:31
@preactionany custom code running on here?04:31
SDuensinNone.04:31
@preactioncuriouser and curiouser04:31
SDuensinI'm at 7.4.8 (I think) and am scared to upgrade until this is resolved.04:31
@preactionoh, uhm... you might want to do it anyway, since there's at least one bug in 7.4.8 that could cause something like this04:32
SDuensinOk.  Going to check my backup real fast.  If it's current, I'll do it right now.04:32
@preactionplus, we can be sure that it isn't an old bug before we start a new bug report here04:33
@preactionat the very least, we have the problem with an object not being checked before a method is called on it04:33
@preactionone of the problems with being optimistic about object constructors: something always goes wrong04:34
SDuensinUpgrading.04:37
SDuensinOk, I'm scared.04:41
SDuensinIt thinks I have 7.3.22.  Database upgrades seem to be going fine though.04:42
@preactionuhm.04:42
@preactionuhhhmm.....04:42
SDuensinrc.webgui restart(ing)04:43
SDuensinWell, sites seem to work.  Dunno WTF that was about.04:45
SDuensinSame crap with Spectre though.04:46
@preactioni'd post a bug about it04:47
@preactioni assume the line number changed04:47
SDuensin#68 now04:47
@preactionwhich matches to what one i have04:48
SDuensinHow do I even file this?  I don't even know what's wrong.  "Spectre is broken" isn't a very good bug report.04:48
SDuensinAnd can it be hacked around to fix it?04:48
@preactionfor some reason there's a workflow instance that doesn't seem to have a valid workflow04:48
@preactionvalid workflow meaning that either the workflow can't be instanciated or it just doesn't exist anymore04:49
SDuensinSo how's that relate to the version tag?  I can see it in the admin panel.04:50
@preactionit might, it might not04:50
@preactioni don't know what workflow it is04:50
@preactionmight want to match up the workflowId in the workflow table with the ones in the workflowInstance table and see if there are any descrepencies04:50
@preactionotherwise i dunno04:51
* SDuensin wishes he had a better MySQL tool on that box.04:51
SDuensinThe only valid ones I see are a "Commit without approval" and "Send email".  The others are null.  That's (still) odd.04:55
* SDuensin fears for his server.04:58
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SDuensinHey, preaction - the sites that don't work all seem to have nulls in the database.05:00
SDuensinRemoving the nulls from one of them made Spectre happier.05:06
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dj_perlHello, anyone home?10:20
dj_perlI'm looking for a way to log all HTTP traffic between my browser and my web server. Wireshark is too low level. Apache mod_tee is not usable. Any suggestions?10:22
nubatcpdump? ethereal?11:01
nubaethereal is very conversation-tracking-friendly11:02
+Radix-wrkiptraf11:04
nubait'll collect the payload, filter, and decode to present it to you in a very human-friendly way11:04
nubaand it supports lots of protocols11:05
dj_perlYep, ethreal is now Wireshark. I haven't figured out how to get a human-readable http conversation out of it.11:07
dj_perlBut if you say it can, I'll investigate further with wireshark.11:08
dj_perlThanks!11:08
nubawhoa its been almost an year since it was renamed11:08
nubai never needed to update the install I had, so I didnt even notice11:09
nubayou want HTTP only, or HTTPS too?11:10
+Radix-wrkheh.. from Wireshark's trademarks list - "...Rooty Tooty Fresh 'N Fruity is a registered trademark of IHOP Corporation..."11:11
nubacause you may want to look into firefox's livehttpheaders extension if you need HTTPS too11:11
dj_perlI'm happy with http for my purpose at hand.11:12
+Radix-wrkWhat's wrong with apache's normal logging functionality?11:12
+Radix-wrkSomething being lost in the middle?11:12
dj_perlYes, cookie headers.11:13
nubawell are you being able to capture with ethereal and see captured packets lists?11:13
dj_perlI have an Objective-C client that gets cookies fine from the PHP gallery web service, but not from my reverse-engineered web service.11:13
dj_perlYes, I can see the packet lists, but they're not very human-readable.11:14
nubaok, so, right click in a HTTP conversation (i suppose they' re hilighted as green in wireshark as well)11:14
dj_perlSince I'm using a custom http client, livehttpheaders is of limited use.11:15
nubaand select "follow conversation"11:15
nubait'll then present you the entire talk between the server and the client11:15
dj_perlExcellent, I'll try it and let you know.11:15
nubanow im telling this from memory, i dont have ethereal in this box right now11:15
nubaso look for something in these lines, shouldn't be to different from what ive said11:16
nubatoo*11:17
nubaits a lovely piece of software :)11:17
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@apeironGood morning, #webgui!17:07
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MrHairgreas1Khenn17:15
MrHairgreas1how did you survive last saturday?17:15
MrHairgreas1was it as expected?17:15
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@khennhow did I survive?17:25
@khenn=)17:25
+MrHairgreasewell17:25
+MrHairgreaseyou still seem to be able to write17:26
+MrHairgreasewhich is a good sign i think17:26
@khennI slept most of Saturday17:26
+MrHairgreaseah17:26
+MrHairgreaseI think that would've been for the best17:26
+MrHairgrease=)17:26
@khennI woke up around  6pm feeling great in fact17:27
+MrHairgreaseKoen and I were not feeling all that well too17:27
+MrHairgreaseat around 6 i was feeling good agin too17:27
+MrHairgreaseSo17:27
+MrHairgreasewhen are you comming to the netherlands17:27
+MrHairgreaseso we can do it all over again17:27
+MrHairgreasebut with dutch beers17:27
+MrHairgrease=)17:28
@khennHave a European WUC and I can expense it =)17:28
+MrHairgreasehehe17:29
@khennwith the 5000 Euros per dollar conversion rate, it is too expensive for me to drink there17:29
+MrHairgreasehmmm17:29
+MrHairgreasethat's something i hadn't considred yet...17:29
+MrHairgreaseyou could ask jt to pay your salary in euro though17:29
@khennactually, my wife and I have been talking about going to Europe.  She wants to go to England but I could convince her to visit Holland instead =)17:30
@khennmaybe in a year or two17:30
@khennand JT is too smart for that17:30
+MrHairgreaseif you go to england anyway you should visit some countries on the continent as well17:31
+MrHairgreaseyou should ask jesse17:31
+MrHairgreasehe's done a complete eurotour/17:31
+MrHairgreasehe could probably tell you about the highlights17:31
+MrHairgreasedelft is obviously one of those =)17:31
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+MrHairgreaseso where are all the other wuc foto's17:33
+MrHairgreasei know tavis took more than are on the site right now17:34
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Radix__delft was definitely one of the highlights for me, I enjoyed my time there immensely :)18:17
Radix__and the lovely beer helped :)18:17
Radix__and with that, I'm off to bed :)18:17
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wgGuest99What do I do after downloading WRE 0.8.0 ?18:23
+MrHairgreasecreate a /data directory18:26
+MrHairgreasecd to that directory18:26
+MrHairgreaseuntar the archive there18:26
wgGuest99ok, did that18:26
+MrHairgreasecd to /data/wre/docs18:26
+MrHairgreaseread install.txt18:26
+MrHairgreaseand follow the instructions18:27
+MrHairgreasei take it you downloaded a pre compiled binary btw right?18:28
wgGuest99yes18:28
+MrHairgreaseok18:28
wgGuest99the instructions are kind of hard to read in notepad18:28
@apeironeep18:29
@apeironWell, at least you don't have to build it on Windows. :)18:29
+MrHairgreasei dunno anything about the windows wre18:29
+MrHairgreaseit looks screwed in notepad b/c notepad cannot cope with unix linebreaks18:30
+MrHairgreasetry open it in another editor in stead18:30
wgGuest99ok18:30
+MrHairgreasei think word must be able to display it correctly18:30
+MrHairgreaseother than that18:30
wgGuest99ok, muck better in Internet Explorer18:30
+MrHairgreasei hav no experience with the windows wre whatsoever18:30
@khennwordpad18:31
wgGuest99Are all of the commands in install.txt document done in linux?18:33
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knowmadhas anyone exported Root as a package for doing a site migration? did you have problems with timeouts when importing to the new server?18:44
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+MrHairgreaseknowmad: never tried that18:44
+MrHairgreasebut i can right now18:45
+MrHairgreasehold on18:45
knowmadyeah, me either. i don't recommend it.18:45
+MrHairgreasedoes it bork the system?18:46
knowmadfortunately, no; it just doesn't load up the pkg18:46
+MrHairgreasei'm not sure you'll want to export the root anyway18:47
+MrHairgreasethere's an enormous amount of duplicated data18:47
+MrHairgreasein th eimport node18:47
knowmadyeah18:47
+MrHairgreasewell18:48
+MrHairgreasejust tried it18:48
+MrHairgreaseand it does output a wgpgk file18:49
+MrHairgreaseit's only 5 MB18:49
knowmadmine is 8mb18:49
+MrHairgreaseso I'm not sure if that's correct18:49
+MrHairgreaseok18:49
+MrHairgreasemine is on a pretty much vanilla site18:49
+MrHairgreaseso that would explain the differenece18:49
knowmadyeah18:50
@Haargpackage import is another thing that should probably be able to be done via workflow18:50
+MrHairgreasehaarg: indeed18:50
+MrHairgreasetrying importing it now18:50
knowmadok18:51
+MrHairgreasei get a problem with request18:52
+MrHairgreaseoh crap18:52
knowmadwhen you imported?18:52
+MrHairgreasethat's because I don't have the memory wobject installed on that site18:53
+MrHairgreaseso it couldn't import that asset18:53
knowmadso when the pkg was being it died?18:54
+MrHairgreasebut up until that moment18:54
+MrHairgreaseit did import stuff18:54
knowmadso if you add the memory wobject, it will prob. import successfully18:55
+MrHairgreasethink so18:55
+MrHairgreasethe cool thing is18:55
knowmadis there a way to fire off the package load from command line?18:55
knowmadthat way i could upload to server then import via command line18:55
+MrHairgreasethat the root node isn't imported below the place where you import18:56
knowmadare you asking or telling?18:56
+MrHairgreaseb/c the root node's assetid is the same on all sits18:56
+MrHairgreasetelling18:56
+MrHairgreaseso18:56
knowmadso it will always import to root18:56
knowmad?18:56
+MrHairgreaseif you use this approach18:56
+MrHairgreasethen it'll prolly always import under root18:57
knowmadthat's a good thing18:57
+MrHairgreaseand make new revisions for all overlapping assets18:57
+MrHairgreasethose with identical assetids18:57
+MrHairgreasewhich are only those that ship with webgui 18:57
+MrHairgreasein order to do it commandline18:58
+MrHairgreaseyou should make a utility script18:58
+MrHairgreaseit's not that hard18:58
+MrHairgreaseall the code is in WebGUI::AssetPackage18:59
+MrHairgreaseyou should do something like18:59
+MrHairgreasecreate a temp storage location18:59
+MrHairgreaseaddFromFileSystem the package to that storage19:00
+MrHairgreasecall $root->importPackage($storage)19:00
+MrHairgreasebackup first ofcourse =)19:00
knowmadthanks MHG19:02
+MrHairgreasenp19:02
knowmadi think i'm going to do this the old-fashioned way and dump db and restore on server19:08
+MrHairgreaseok19:08
+MrHairgreasei can imagine importing's not the best way to copy sites anyway19:09
knowmadok, so now i'm running into upgrade problems (sigh).....19:42
knowmadhas anyone who has upgraded from 7.3.22 to 7.4.0 hit the following error ---- DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'assetKeyword' already exists19:43
knowmadoh, sh**, nevermind. i forgot to dump the tables before importing from 7.3.2219:43
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wgGuest57I'm trying to install WebGUI Runtime Environment19:49
wgGuest57its asking me to put in password when I put in wreconsole.pl19:51
wgGuest57sudo wreconsole.pl19:52
+MrHairgreaseyeah19:52
+MrHairgreaseyou have to enter your pw if you sudo stuff19:52
wgGuest57when I just type in .setenvironment.sh and wreconsole.pl on the linux system it doesn't do anything19:54
+MrHairgreaseyou'll have to execute those from /data/wre/sbin19:55
+MrHairgreaseand you should use sudo ./wreconsole.pl19:55
+MrHairgreaseto start everything the best thing you could do is this19:56
+MrHairgreasesudo -i19:56
+MrHairgreasecd /data/wre/sbin19:56
wgGuest57it asking for a password ?19:56
+MrHairgreaseyes 19:56
+MrHairgreaseyou must enter your password19:57
+MrHairgreasethat of your own account19:57
wgGuest57it says my account is not in the sudoers file19:57
+MrHairgreasein that case you can do two things19:57
+MrHairgrease- add your account to the sudoer file19:58
+MrHairgreaseof use su19:58
+MrHairgreasedo you have the root pw of your box?19:58
wgGuest57yes19:58
+MrHairgreaseok19:58
+MrHairgreasethan do this19:58
+MrHairgreasesu -19:58
+MrHairgrease<enter root pw19:58
+MrHairgreasecd /data/wre/sbin19:59
+MrHairgrease. ./setenvironmet.sh (mind the space bewteen the dots)19:59
+MrHairgrease./wreconsole.pl19:59
+MrHairgreasethen open your browser19:59
wgGuest57i don't think i'm authorized to do that its a student acct19:59
+MrHairgreaseif you don't have root access you cannot install the wre20:00
@Haargwell, techincally you can20:00
+MrHairgreaseyou'll need root access to start the servers20:00
@Haargbut the binaries need to be in /data/20:01
@Haargif you build from source you can put it elsewhere20:01
@Haargand you need root access to run on port 8020:02
wgGuest57ok, thanks20:02
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@preactionif someone creates that utility script to add a package from the command line, i'll put my vote in for putting it into 7.520:42
+MrHairgreasepreaction20:43
+MrHairgreaseit already sort of exists20:43
+MrHairgreasecheck the install script of the acme presentation20:44
+MrHairgreaseit's in WebGUI/docs/AcmePresentation after untarring20:44
@preactionoooh20:44
@Haargit would be easy to have it able to export packages on the command line as well21:00
@preactionwell that's just a URL really: <sitename>/path?op=exportPackage (or something)21:01
@preactionso a wget would work21:01
@Haargi was thinking for arbitrary assets21:02
@preactionthe idea being we could make a small shell script to keep packages between different sites synced21:02
@Haargfor the operation they have to be marked as a package21:02
@preactionof course21:02
@Haargbut importing/exporting would be useful without having to mark the assets as packages21:03
@preactionindeed, there's an RFE near the top to add something to the More menu on the asset manager21:04
@preactiona one-time deal thingy21:04
@preactioni hate merging code from outside a VCS to inside the VCS...21:29
@preactionhopefully in the future we'll branch earlier, like we branched for 7.5 already, and when we're done adding features to 7.5 we branch for 7.621:30
@preactionor JT could do it the way he did it and make it excellently easy for me21:31
@preactionbtw, this new Friends Network thing I'm about to commit is completely pwn22:40
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@khennyou committed the stuff JT and I added?00:28
@preactionwhat stuff did you add?00:30
@apeironkhenn, You didn't seem to make it back on AIM.00:32
@khennthe friends network stuff00:32
@khennand it shows me as being back online00:32
@khenncrap00:33
@apeironThere we go.00:33
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@preactionyes, i committed the friends network stuff00:48
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AMH_bobGood morning, we're back in The Netherlands and it is COLD here. Started the day by getting the ice off the car window, driving to work in a small european car on narrow european roads with overcrowded cars driving bumper-to-bumper thinking they have a chance of braking in time if something goes wrong.11:00
AMH_bobThanks everybody for a good WUC last week!11:01
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SDuensinHello.  Computers suck.  :-)16:14
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FireZillaHi,16:55
FireZillamy hoster has informed me that I may have been infected by a backdoor (Threat 3/10)16:55
FireZillaThe command line is16:55
FireZilla"/data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf/httpd.modperl.conf -D WRE-modperl -E  /data/wre/prereqs/apache/logs/modperl.error.l"16:56
FireZillaI open the file modperl.error.log,16:56
FireZillaAnd there is written :16:56
FireZillaApache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=78200 KB  SHARE=2976 KB  REQUESTS=2206 LIFETIME=464082 seconds16:56
FireZillaI think there's no problem, but I'm not sure...16:56
FireZillacould you help me to know what happend ?16:57
FireZillaThanks16:57
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FireZillanobody ?17:02
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SDuensinInfected?17:14
FireZillaI don't know that's why I'm posting17:15
SDuensinI don't see anything wrong with what you posted, other than maybe your ISP is confused.17:16
FireZillaOK, I feel better...17:17
FireZillaDo you know why there was a problem with Apache2::SizeLimit17:17
SDuensinI get that all the time.  It's got something to do with mod_perl not releasing memory.  I think.17:18
* SDuensin has other problems. <sigh>17:18
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FireZillathanks17:26
* SDuensin needs serious PB help. Something is ascrew.17:29
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dionakI'm getting an error in webgui.log about database corruption and template instantiation errors. i ran mysqlcheck. is there something else i should do? not sure how to find this template given i only have the id.18:23
dionakAsset B1bNjWVtzSjsvGZh9lPz_A WebGUI::Asset::Template 1131418441 is missing properties. Consult your database tables for corruption.18:23
cap10morgandionak: is this on a site that was upgraded from a previous version?18:23
dionakyes. it's our site actually18:24
SDuensinHi dionak & cap10morgan 18:24
* SDuensin has horrible DB issues, too. He fears for his server.18:24
cap10morganmornin'18:24
dionakthat's a little dramatic ;)18:24
cap10morgandionak: i've noticed that upgrades sometimes fail in the database upgrade step18:25
cap10morganso then the db schema doesn't match what the code is expecting18:25
SDuensinI hope so, dionak.  I've got a bunch of sites that won't talk to Spectre.  Or something.18:25
cap10morgancan you select * from webguiVersion ?18:25
dionaksure18:25
cap10morganthat will show you the latest version the db has been upgraded to18:25
cap10morgan(in theory) :)18:25
dionak7.3.2218:26
cap10morganis that what the codebase is too?18:26
dionakSDuensin, you might want to check your spectre settings. 18:26
SDuensindionak - I think it's worse than that.18:26
dionaki believe so. that is my understanding. can i double check somewhere?18:27
cap10morganyeah, i think it says what version it is at the top of lib/WebGUI.pm18:27
dionakk.18:27
SDuensinI'll pastebin my spectre debug stuff.18:27
cap10morganalso it says when it starts up (but WRE 0.8.0 seems to hide that)18:27
dionakyes, 7.3.2218:28
cap10morganok18:28
SDuensinhttp://pastebin.com/m29b7542718:28
SDuensinThat output frightens me greatly.18:28
cap10morganwell, one quick n' dirty check you can do is deploy a new site and compare the template, asset, and assetData table schemas in the two DBs18:28
dionaktrue. i'll give that a shot and see if there are differences.18:30
SDuensinpreaction was helping me before, but I think I scared him off.18:30
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dionakSDuensin - it looks like your sites are somehow not configured for Spectre. 18:30
dionakI'm not an expert in that area. 18:30
SDuensindionak - if I look inside WorkflowInstance, there are null records.  Deleting them allows Spectre to find the site, but then you get the errors displayed further down the log.18:31
dionakthis is what concerns me in your log. [Error] Couldn't fetch Spectre configuration data for www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org.conf18:31
SDuensindionak - if I look in the database, there will be nulls in there.  If I remove the nulls, it'll load the configuration.  It'll also fail later.  I did that for the "cloudcircle" site.  (See line 240.)18:32
dionakhm. idk. I wonder what's causing the 500's. is there anything in mod_perl's log?18:33
SDuensinLooking for it now. 18:33
* SDuensin has too many terminals open.18:33
SDuensinNo errors for today in either mod_perl or mod_proxy logs.18:34
SDuensinif I do a "curl http://www.cloudcircle.com:81/", it answers.  18:36
+MrHairgreasesduensin18:40
SDuensinMrHairgrease 18:40
+MrHairgreaseset your log level to info18:40
+MrHairgreaseand make spectre error again18:40
SDuensinWorking.18:40
+MrHairgreasethat'l give more verbose information in your webgui.log than just 500 something bad happened18:40
dionakcap10morgan - article is definitely different18:42
cap10morganoh yeah? interesting...18:42
cap10morganhow so?18:42
dionakoh, wait. i take that back18:43
SDuensinSpectre output looks the same.  Checking the log.18:44
dionakthey are the same. 18:44
SDuensinOK, I'm being stupid.  There are no new entries in /data/wre/var/webgui.log for today.18:45
SDuensinOr my clock is wrong.  Derf.18:45
SDuensinhttp://pastebin.com/m15e7addc18:48
SDuensinThat config path is really not right.  WTF?18:49
SDuensin(Line 8)18:49
SDuensinCleaned up the databases.  Confs all load now.18:55
SDuensinhttp://pastebin.com/d23148e6918:55
SDuensinspectre.pl --test passes18:56
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SDuensinOK, tried a testEnvironment.pl.  It tells me:18:59
SDuensin'1.0.3' is installed, but we need at least 1.1.0, do you want to upgrade it now? {y|n} [y] 18:59
SDuensinEven though I already answered "y" to that.18:59
cap10morganSDuensin: is that for Config::JSON?18:59
SDuensinOh yea - sorry.  Missed that part of the copy.18:59
cap10morgani seem to recall from the gotchas that you have to force install that from CPAN19:00
cap10morganwhich testEnvironment.pl probably doesn't do19:00
* SDuensin read the gotchas! Reading again!19:00
cap10morgan:)19:00
* cap10morgan is setting up the ultimate Eclipse dev / debug environment19:01
SDuensinOh yea?19:01
cap10morganit's true19:01
cap10morganfor php currently19:01
cap10morgansince it's such an annoying language to code in19:01
cap10morgani need all the help i can get :)19:01
SDuensinI'm using Aptana for PHP work.19:01
cap10morganwhat's that?19:01
SDuensinEclipse-based IDE for "Web 2.0" crap.  It's nice.19:02
cap10morganinteresting...19:02
cap10morganlooks like it maybe doesn't support 3.3 yet?19:03
SDuensinNope.  Mine says 3.2.2r322.19:04
cap10morganwell, i'll have to give it a try once it does 3.319:04
SDuensinFirst WebGUI hates me.  Now CPAN hates me.19:07
SDuensin"Error in server greeting." it says.  <sigh>19:07
SDuensinAh HA!  Found it.19:08
+MrHairgreasereal men use vim19:08
SDuensinjoe for teh winnar!19:08
SDuensinKICK A$$ - JSON upgrade fixed *most* the Spectre errors!19:09
* cap10morgan high fives SDuensin19:10
SDuensinGonna let it chunk for a bit and then see about the 500 error on the one site.19:10
* SDuensin breathes a HUGE sigh of relief.19:10
SDuensinEgads.  192 pending workflows.19:11
SDuensinI don't understand that communications error.  If I "curl" the URL it complains about, Apache answers.19:11
cap10morgani see that a lot w/ spectre19:12
SDuensinHow do we fix it a lot?  :-)19:12
cap10morgangood question!19:12
SDuensinAnd why just one site?19:13
SDuensinWhat else can I look at?  I don't see squat in the logs.19:15
cap10morganis spectre allowed to connect to that site from the ip it's connecting from?19:15
cap10morganin that site's config?19:15
SDuensinI don't see why not.  Double-checking.  (I added that site using the WRE just like all the other sites.)19:17
SDuensinLooks OK to me.19:19
SDuensinAny idea exactly what it's trying to load so I can feed it to curl?19:19
+MrHairgreasethe 500 message should show up in your wg log19:20
SDuensinIt does, but with no more info than in the spectre output.19:20
+MrHairgreaseif it even doesn't do that somethin is wrong 19:20
+MrHairgreaseah19:20
+MrHairgreasein that case19:20
+MrHairgreaseset the log level to info19:21
SDuensinI did!19:21
+MrHairgreaseand did you restart the server afterwards?19:21
SDuensinYep.19:21
SDuensinLemme double check everything.19:21
SDuensinlog.conf has log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog 19:22
+MrHairgreasethat is not a correct path19:22
+MrHairgrease /data/WebGUI/etc//data/WebGUI/etc/www.jaegertech.net.conf at19:22
SDuensinYea, no kidding.19:23
SDuensinThat site is working now though.19:23
+MrHairgreaseI\m not =)19:23
+MrHairgreaseok19:23
SDuensinOnly www.cloudcircle.com is 500ing on me.19:23
+MrHairgreasebefore the 50019:23
+MrHairgreasethere should be something in the log19:23
+MrHairgreaseone thing19:24
+MrHairgreaseis the first entry of sitename the same as the webgui instance of that site?19:24
SDuensinhttp://pastebin.com/d53103f4119:24
SDuensinPretty sure, but checking.19:25
SDuensinSitename is correct in www.cloudcircle.com.conf.  Where else do I need to check it?19:26
+MrHairgreasenowhere as far as i know19:26
SDuensinIs Spectre trying to do an ?op=someCrapHere URL?19:27
+MrHairgreaseyes19:28
+MrHairgreasedunno which one exactly19:28
SDuensin:-/19:28
+MrHairgreasebtw19:28
+MrHairgreasethat errorafk19:29
SDuensinThey're pestering me to go get lunch...19:30
SDuensinI ***REALLY*** appreciate the help, MrHairgrease.19:31
SDuensinI'll be back after I get food to carry on the battle!19:31
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@apeironkhenn++ # didactic20:24
@khennhuh?20:25
@apeironYou taught me something. That's karma-worthy to me.20:27
@khennare you saying I'm a good teacher because you are a difficult learner?  or that you know so much already that you didn't think there was anything else to learn =p20:31
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@apeironkhenn, Just that I appreciate any and all learning. :)20:34
@khennin that case, I have all sorts of goofy mathematical facts that could earn me karma all day!!!20:35
@khenn=)20:35
@apeironDoesn't count if you're trying.20:37
@khenni see20:38
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SDuensinHello again!21:04
* SDuensin is back - and full of White Castles.21:04
@preactionthat doesn't sound healthy21:58
SDuensinOK, now I'm really confused.  I deleted the site giving me the 500 errors and recreated it.21:58
SDuensin(Hey preaction!)21:58
SDuensinI *still* get errors.21:58
@preactionit doesn't like you21:58
SDuensinChecked my DNS.  Seems fine.21:58
SDuensinI can tell.21:58
@preaction500 error is in the modperl error log21:58
@preactionyou just watch yourself, we're wanted men21:58
@preactioni have the death sentence on twelve systems!21:59
SDuensinI'll be careful.21:59
SDuensinNo error in that log.21:59
@preactionhum... modproxy error log then?22:00
SDuensinNegative.22:00
@preaction500 is "I can't even get far enough to open the webgui error log, so you've really mucked something up"22:00
@preactiontestEnvironment.pl? 22:00
* SDuensin didn't do doodie!22:00
@preactionhttpd -X -Edebug perhaps? (i don't know if the -E switch changes the log level though)22:01
SDuensintestEnvironment passes.  Only crabbing about Graphics::Magick.22:02
SDuensinspectre.pl --test passes, too.22:02
@preactionso there are other sites on this system that do not 500 error?22:03
SDuensinYea.  Lots of 'em.22:03
@preactionare you absolutely sure you're actually getting to the right site?22:03
SDuensinIf I curl the URL, I get the index page.22:03
@preactionokay, so what's different about the pages that give 500 errors?22:04
SDuensinOther than the others don't give 500 errors?  No idea.22:04
SDuensinPossibly the DNS host, but DNS seems to work.22:04
SDuensinI take that back.  Another site uses the same DNS server and it's fine.22:05
@preactionokay, we're on completely different pages here, so let's start from the beginning22:06
SDuensinOK, I just did a removesite and then addsite on www.cloudcircle.com...22:07
SDuensinThen so I could see what was going on, I did "./rc.spectre stop" and then "perl spectre.pl --run --debug"...22:08
SDuensinIt tries to do something and gives me a 500.22:08
SDuensinI was able to connect to the site and complete the setup.22:08
SDuensinSpectre continues to give 500s.22:08
SDuensinLatest output:  http://pastebin.com/m2e92248b22:09
@preactionso it's just spectre that gives a 500 error? are you sure spectre is getting to the right site? can you curl <sitename>?op=spectreGetSiteData and/or run a workflow from inside WebGUI using the admin console?22:09
@Haargi was just going to suggest that.  those 500 errors may not be coming from WebGUI.22:10
@HaargLWP will generate that stuff in some circumstances.22:10
SDuensincurl returns nice JSON info on the site.22:11
SDuensinHi Haarg 22:11
SDuensin(Specifically,  curl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=spectreGetSiteData )22:11
@Haargwhat port is spectre set to connect to?22:12
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SDuensin3213322:12
@Haargconnect to, not run on22:13
@preactionyou could also use the database to figure out what workflow / activity is running when it gets the 500 errors22:13
SDuensinThere are a lot of other sites here that work fine.22:13
SDuensinwebguiPort, Haarg ?  8122:13
SDuensincurl to 81 works, too.22:13
@Haargand you've already checked sitename i take it?22:14
SDuensinOnly thing is "www.cloudcircle.com".22:14
SDuensinAll this was set up by the WRE.  Same way I did the other sites.22:14
@preactionit's connecting just fine, as evidenced by the fact that it is running workflow activities22:15
@preactionyou'll need to find out which activity it is that is throwing these errors before we can go anywhere else22:15
SDuensinIt's trying to run "Do Nothing on Deletion" with a null parameter.22:16
steveo_aampreaction: extjs && utils on alumni, where can I find the JSON encoding functions?22:16
SDuensinThere are two instances of that queued, priority 2, className/methodName/parameters are all null.22:16
@preactionsteveo_aam, for the moment, they're in www/extras/yui-ext/tools i believe, i don't remember22:17
@preactionis there even a way to configure what workflow gets run when an asset is deleted?22:17
@preactionwhy is that in there?22:17
steveo_aampreaction: no such directoyr22:17
@preactionsteveo_aam, then it must be www/extras/ext or something22:18
* SDuensin has no idea.22:18
steveo_aampreaction: www/extras/extjs exists, but has no util(s) dir22:19
@preactionunder build22:20
steveo_aamThanks.22:20
@preactionor: ` find . | grep -i "JSON"`22:21
* SDuensin wonders if he should just nuke these two workflows?22:23
steveo_aamI had been looking in the YUI tree, and the code said yui-ext.  Lots of changes with that upgrade.22:23
@preactionyeah, there was a discussion today with the devs to move away from using Ext and find other solutions to the problems it solves22:24
SDuensinWhat's wrong with Ext?22:24
* SDuensin is just curious.22:24
steveo_aamFunny that another team wishes they had gone the extjs direction.22:25
@preactionit seems to be moving away from an F/OSS license, it seems to be trying to become its own all-in-one solution (instead of just an extention to Yui)22:25
steveo_aamNot related to WebGUI22:25
@preactionYui's hired on Dav Glass, who wrote the YUI Rich Text Editor, his site has a couple things for Yui that I'll be adding to 7.5 momentarily22:26
* SDuensin is planning on using Ext in his next project.22:26
@preactionit was decided that the future possibilities look more stable for YUI than it does for Ext22:26
SDuensinAnd, yea, they don't rely on Yui anymore.22:26
SDuensinYui is cool, but Ext gives me more of what I want for "free".  I've got enough to code as is.  :-)22:27
@preactionwhich is the argument that khenn gave22:27
@preactionand i do agree with, but i also think it would be worth it to contribute back to Yui22:27
@khennno reason you can't continue to use Ext, we just won't be distributing it with the core any longer22:28
@preactioni feel that allowing people to purchase a "commercial" license for your software sullies the idea of F/OSS software22:28
@khennto avoid licensing issues in the future22:28
SDuensinLots of things use that kind of "dual license".22:28
steveo_aamYour pointer to the new location set me up, and the code now works with the library change.22:29
SDuensinI'm using it to build a service, not a product, so it doesn't really matter to me.22:29
SDuensinSo about these rogue workflow instances...   :-)22:31
@preactionSDuensin, you can probably delete them, since they're just Do Nothing On Deletion. but you might want to figure out why a workflow activity that does nothing is throwing a 500 error. you may also want to find out if new instances of that activity throw the same error22:32
SDuensinI don't even know why they're there.  This is a brand new site.  Hell, I'm going to delete it again and see if the database gets deleted correctly.22:33
SDuensinOk.  Site deleted.  Database went with it.  Making a new one.22:36
SDuensin(I love the new "Site Starter", BTW.)22:38
SDuensinSame two workflows after I recreated the site.22:42
@preactiondid you do anything in the Site Starter? did it have to delete assets?22:43
SynQhere I am22:44
@preactionand here I remain!22:44
SDuensinIt may have.  I removed a forum and the wiki and maybe another thing.22:44
SDuensinI'm going to delete some of the sample content and see what happens.22:45
SynQis PlainBlack up and running again?22:50
@preactionSynQ, as far as i know22:50
SynQafter all that early waking prev. week22:50
SDuensinEgads!  I now have 20+ delete workflow instances!22:54
@preactionall of them giving 500s?22:55
SDuensinYep.22:55
@preactionall of them with NULL in their parameters?22:56
SDuensinYep.22:56
@preactionwhat version are you running?22:56
SDuensin7.4.1022:56
@preactioni might post a bug, is that the latest stable?22:58
SDuensinYes.22:58
SDuensinHere - http://pastebin.com/m637a155c22:58
SynQhow do I troubleshoot something like this:22:59
SynQWORKFLOW: [Error] Something bad happened on the return of 7oOG47V5mOE5Ny0H2I41RQ. <HTML>22:59
SynQ<HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD>22:59
SynQ<BODY>22:59
SynQ<H1>An Error Occurred</H1>22:59
SynQ200 OK22:59
SynQ</BODY>22:59
SynQ</HTML>22:59
SDuensinIt's not committing that version tag either.  :-(23:00
@preactionSynQ, the first thing you do is never paste to the channel again23:00
@preactionperlbot paste23:00
perlbotPaste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/paste/fn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.23:00
SynQok23:00
SynQsorry23:00
SDuensinGee, SynQ, that looks horribly familiar.  :-)23:00
SynQeven if it's 4 or 5 lines?23:00
@preactionSDuensin, subtle difference: he's getting 200 OK23:00
@preactionSynQ, yes23:00
SynQok23:00
SynQit won't happen again23:00
@preactionlooks like 7 to me, but we don't count. 23:00
SynQ:)23:01
@preactioncheck your WorkflowInstance table to see what activity is being run23:01
SynQok23:01
SDuensinYea, I had 200s before, too.  Upgrading Config::JSON fixed it.23:01
SynQIt's version 7.3.2223:01
@preactionSynQ, if you can reproduce on 7.4.10-stable, you can probably post a bug report about it23:02
SynQI'd rather first find what's causing that23:03
@preactionwhy try to debug something that may already be fixed?23:03
SDuensinMy "Commit Without Approval" says "comm error" in the Workflow admin panel.23:03
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SynQpreaction since I want to learn more about spectre23:04
SynQhmm23:07
SynQI just spent like 5 minutes looking for the 'search' on the webgui.org site23:07
SynQafter looking at plainblack.com i noticed it was in the same location on the webgui.org site23:07
SDuensinYea.  No idea why you gotta click something to make it show up.  Weird UI choice.23:07
SynQI agree23:08
SynQDoug, in your opinion should I submit an rfe for that?23:08
@preactionif you want, i would think that's where it would be noticed23:10
SDuensinMan, there's just no information on what "comm error" is mad about.  Nothing in the logs.23:10
SDuensinAt this point, I'm scared to do anything on any of my sites.  :-(23:13
SynQok23:18
SynQsomething else23:18
SynQI don't seem to be having the admin password23:18
SynQI don't want to reset it and I don't want to login as admin23:20
SynQso I think I'm going to create an 'addAdmin' utilityscript23:20
* SDuensin wants a fixSpectre script.23:27
SDuensinpreaction - handy?  I have some more information on this that is kind of interesting.23:37
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SDuensinWell, I'll be back later.  See ya!   Thanks again for the help!23:50
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SynQhmm00:01
SynQI wonder what feels better00:01
SynQlearning how to create a utilityscript or playing 'The Godfather Blackhand edition' on the wii00:02
knowmadi think that depends on whether you're talking about now or later00:07
knowmadmight feel good to play wii and avoid the pain of writing utility script until the deadline hits and your script is not done; then you won't be feeling too good 00:07
SynQhmm00:09
SynQtrue00:09
@preactioni say do the util script now, hold out on the Wii until Guitar Hero 3 comes out00:09
SynQbut actually the script is more about later too00:10
SynQhehe00:10
knowmadtis the fate for those of us confined to the space-time continuum00:10
SynQI asked my wife if I could buy a wii but she'd rather we have someone paint the windows on the outside before winter00:10
knowmadbummer00:10
SynQthe utility script would allow you to add an extra Admin account to a webgui site00:11
@khennpaint the windows yourself and buy the wii00:11
@khenneveryone is happy00:11
@khennsandpaper + paint = $26.0000:11
SynQfor debugging problems that arrise in the logfiles while someone else is editing and maintaining the site00:11
SynQkhenn: my time is about EUR 55.00 per hour00:12
SynQso that is probably a really expensive option00:12
SynQbesides, if I paint the windows myself I won't have time to play the wii and buying it would have no use00:12
@khennwell if you were billing out 24 hrs / day, you should have enough money to pay for both =p00:13
@khenn24 x 55 x 7 = you are rich00:13
SynQI think the price of the wii is probably not even the issue to00:13
SynQI can work max 10 hours a day about 5 days a week00:15
SynQI'd still make about 150K per year if all my hours would be bookable 00:15
SynQbut it's more the other way around thoug00:16
SynQif I spend an extra hour on painting the house that will cost me about 55 euro00:16
SynQsince I'm not spending that on my company and that will go off the profit00:17
@apeironkhenn, You poofed on AIM.00:24
@khennI hate charter00:26
@apeironSure it's not something else?00:26
@khennSynQ:  I've seen this debate before00:26
@khennand if you spent an hour painting during a time you would otherwise *not* be working, then you incur zero loss00:27
@khennrizen was trying to tell me that I should pay someone to clean my house00:27
@khennbased on that same logic00:27
@khennbut it doesn't pan out00:27
@khenncause I don't bill out every hour of every day00:27
@khennso if I clean my house on Saturday between 7-9am when I would otherwise not be working, I save myself money!00:28
@khenn=)00:28
@khennso paint your windows at 3am on Monday night.  You save money and annoy the neighbors!  Double bonus =)00:28
@khenner Tuesday morning00:28
@khenntuesday morning is best00:28
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SynQuh00:31
SynQ3am in the morning?00:31
@khennhehe00:31
SynQit will be completely dark outside00:31
perlDreamerthat makes sure that the paint doesn't dry too quickly00:32
SynQuh yeah00:33
@khennhence the need for the incredibly annoying spotlights =)00:33
SynQand it also makes sure that afterwards I will still have to hire a professional painter00:33
@khennheh00:34
@khennthat's my problem too00:34
SynQyou have to hire a professional cleaner?00:36
SynQon the other hand you don't have to bill out every hour00:36
SynQto be able to pay for a cleaner00:37
@khennI'm just saying the logic is flawed since nobody bills out 24/7 anyway00:38
@khennso paying someone $90 a week would cost me more than cleaning the house myself during non-billing hours00:39
@khennby that logic I waste all sorts of time sleeping00:40
@khennand drinking of course00:40
SynQthat is true00:40
@khenn=)00:40
SynQ>:)00:40
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perlDreamerSynQ: No one that I know about has written a script like that.01:01
perlDreamerI think it sounds great01:01
perlDreamerhack on!01:01
@khennI think it should be ACME and require the admin password to work =)01:02
@khennso the file can really be one line of code01:02
perlDreamerhow about if it connected to the WebGUI irc channel and then allowed you to submit a password?01:03
@khennprint "Please enter the admin password: ";01:03
@khennmy $pwd = <STDIN>;01:03
@apeironchomp(my $pwd = <STDIN>); # *cough*01:07
SynQhehe01:07
@apeironParens require, there.01:08
@apeironer, required.01:08
SynQACME :)01:08
@khenndoesn't matter really01:08
@khennit's ACME01:08
@khenn=p01:08
@apeironWell, it won't parse without the ()01:08
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@khennyou can't remember the admin password anyway01:08
@khennwhich is why you would be using the script in the first place01:08
SynQI think that creating just ACME programs, scripts and utilities would make me a rogue developer wouldn't it?01:09
@khennso requiring the admin password to use it makes it so incredibly funny that it doesn't really matter what it does after you ask for the password01:09
SynQbut actually it isn't a resetAdminPassword.pl01:10
SynQbut a createBackdoorAdminAccount.pl01:10
@rizenyou can do both with the existing userImport.pl script01:10
SynQok01:10
SynQhi JT01:11
@rizengranted, not as easily as you're describing01:11
SynQif you can tell me in one line how to I'll skip the whole thing01:11
SynQah01:11
SynQthat's a pitty01:11
@rizenyou can't do it in one line, because userImport.pl requires a file containing the user data01:11
@rizenbut other than that you can do it in one line01:12
SynQI could also create a very hacky way that just creates a line in some mysql table :)01:12
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@rizenyou could also fly back to the states and make me some panakookin for dinner01:12
SDuensinrizen !01:13
@rizenor however you spell that01:13
perlDreamerwill hack for pannen kuchen?01:13
@rizenindeed i would01:13
SynQpannekoeken in the old spelling, pannenkoeken in the new dutch spelling01:13
perlDreameractually, I think you can do it with one line, just by specifying STDIN as the usersfile01:13
SynQand right now it would be more like a midnight snack01:14
perlDreamerit should be a small bash script01:14
* rizen holds out a sign "Will code for pannenkoeken!"01:14
SynQperlDreamer: shouldn't it be a full webgui utility script?01:14
perlDreamerit could be, but if you can utilize an existing script, no sense in reinventing the wheel01:15
perlDreamerit would be like01:15
perlDreamer#!bash01:15
SDuensinrizen, like Obi-Wan, you're my only hope.01:15
@rizenwhat's up SD01:15
perlDreamerecho "head line\ndata line" | userImport.pl --usersFile - --configFile webgui.conf01:15
SDuensinWhy, oh WHY, do I get "500 Internal Server Error" running workflows on a brand new site?01:16
SynQhmm01:16
SDuensinI can't get any kind of details in any of my logs.  :-(01:16
perlDreamerbad spectre.conf ?01:16
perlDreamerwrong IP01:16
perlDreamerwrong subnet?01:16
SDuensinNot that I can see, perlDreamer.  Everything is set up like my other sites.01:16
@rizenit's impossible for you to get 500 errors and no info in any logs01:16
SDuensinOk, let's change that to "useful info".01:17
@rizenso i'm inclined to agree with pd that you have a dns problem01:17
@rizenok, so you are seeing info then?01:17
@rizenwhich log file are you seeing it in?01:17
SynQperlDreamer: I've noted your suggestion on the bash script01:17
SDuensinThis is all I get:  http://pastebin.com/m6e81e04601:17
SDuensinFrom webgui.log.01:17
SynQI'll use it for creating a script that should be just this:01:17
@rizenSynQ, i was just going to post back to the dev mailing list with some code that would do exactly what you want01:18
@rizencuz i can write it in under 10 lines01:18
perlDreamerSynQ, once my coverage tests stop running, I'll see if the idea actually works :)01:18
@rizenbut then i decided you wanted to do it for the karma01:18
@rizenso i stopped01:18
SynQaddAdmin.pl --username Backdoor --password H@XX0R --configFile webgui.conf01:18
SynQwhich looks a lot cleaner to me01:18
@rizenSD: you should also get some info in your modperl.error.log with this01:19
SynQrizen: hehe01:19
SDuensinrizen - Nope.  Not even if I change the log level to INFO.01:19
@rizenok if you're not01:19
@rizenthen it 's not even making it to modperl01:19
@rizenso do this01:19
@rizenfrom the command line on your server01:19
SynQrizen: e-mail the 10 lines to perlDreamer so he can post them as a reference implementation to mine later01:19
SynQit would be great to compare the two01:20
@rizentype "ping www.cloudcircle.com"01:20
@rizenand see if the IP address matches what you think it should01:20
SDuensin64 bytes from u15262483.onlinehome-server.com (74.208.75.207): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.050 ms01:20
SDuensinThat's correct.01:20
@rizenalso check both your modproxy and modperl configs for the site and make sure they're both going to the same place01:20
SynQand check if your disk is full and there is enough memory available01:21
perlDreameryou hardware guys...01:22
SynQhardware?01:22
SynQOS you mean01:22
SDuensinConfs are fine.  Memory and disk space are fine.01:22
perlDreamerdisk and RAM01:22
@rizenif you can verify that your configs are correct, then type this on the command line:01:22
SDuensinThere are seven other sites running on this WRE.  They seem to be fine.01:22
@rizencurl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=runWorkflow\;instanceId=EbPG8D2T4r8Mt5pJeeeAnQ01:22
SynQsure, both can give your OS headaces01:23
SDuensinIt says "done".01:23
@rizenok, so you can run the command directly 01:23
@rizenbut you can't run it through spectre01:23
SDuensinSeems that way.01:23
@rizenso now you know it's a comm problem between spectre and webgui01:24
@rizencheck the web port number in the spectre conf01:24
SDuensinIt's 81.01:24
SynQI'd say it's a routing problem01:24
SynQcheck route -n too01:24
SDuensinWhy just one site though?  The other 7 work fine.  And they were all created the same way!01:25
SynQI almost gotta go01:27
SynQI't half past midnight allready01:27
SDuensin5:30p here.01:27
perlDreamer8 sites overflows a 3 bit binary register...01:27
perlDreamerstarting to smell like a netmask01:27
SDuensinHuh?01:27
perlDreamerin binary, with 3 bits, you can count from 0 to 701:28
perlDreamer000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110, 111 <- 701:28
SynQwhat does a netmask smell like? pannekoeken or pumpkinsoup?01:28
SynQI agree though01:28
SynQnetmask might be it01:28
perlDreamerit smells like bad baby diapers01:28
SynQyuk01:28
SDuensinWhat does the number of virtual sites have to do with a netmask?  They're all on one IP.01:28
SynQhmm01:29
SynQin that case01:29
SDuensinThat interface is 255.255.255.0 anyway.01:29
SynQare the WebGUI.conf files all alike?01:29
SDuensinBest I can tell they are.  I used /data/wre/sbin/addsite to create them all.01:29
SynQ"spectreSubnets" : [ "127.0.0.1/32" ],01:31
@rizenspectreSubnets should include your real ip01:31
SynQit should?01:31
@rizenalso, turn on debug mode in spectre01:31
@rizenit will give you more detailed info01:31
SDuensinIt contains 74.208.75.207/32 and 127.0.0.1/32.01:32
SynQfunny I'm pretty sure I saw a presentation at the WUC from Doug that showed 127.0.0.1/32 as an example01:32
SDuensinrizen, I was using "perl spectre.pl --run --debug".  No additional info.01:32
SDuensinSo far, I've baffled preaction, cap10morgan, Haarg, and MrHairgrease.  :-(01:33
SynQhmm01:33
SynQthat's quite an impressive track record01:33
* SDuensin might have to add SynQ to that list. :-)01:34
SynQdid you rebuildlineage yet?01:34
SDuensinI know!  WebGUI has something against me.  Wish I knew what I did to upset it.01:34
SynQrebuildLineage.pl01:34
SDuensinSynQ - No, but I kinda did the bigger version of that.  I've "removesite" that site and added it back twice now.01:34
SynQok01:35
SynQdid you re-create the WebGUI.conf file too?01:35
SynQclean the cache?01:35
SDuensintestEnvironment.pl passes, spectre.pl --test passes.01:35
SDuensinSynQ - Removing it deletes the conf, right?01:35
SynQoffer a goat (or guinnea pig) to the gods?01:35
SDuensinI checked it deleted the database.01:35
SDuensinNo idea about the cache.  That's voodoo I've not played with yet.01:35
SynQok01:36
perlDreamerSDuensin: can you nopaste the relevant configs with sensitive info removed?01:36
SDuensinSure.01:36
SDuensingive me a sec - the confs are on a remote box01:36
SynQstop the apache, remove the site and database completely, remove all the cache (rm -r /tmp/FileCache or something), re-create the site, try again01:37
SDuensinWhat all would you like to see?01:37
@rizenSD did you turn on INFO level in your webgui log file?01:38
@rizenand don't bother removing the site01:38
SDuensinDid that earlier.  No additional info.  :-(01:38
@rizenthat's a waste of time01:38
@rizenSD, you're either lying to me or your doing it wrong01:38
@rizenthere will definitely be additional info from both --debug on spectre01:38
@rizenand INFO mode01:38
SDuensinIt added a lot of info for the sites that work.  :-P01:38
@rizenin the log file01:38
SynQperhaps there are strange control characters in the config file01:39
SynQlike ^M01:39
@rizenthe site wouldn't even start if there was a problem with the config file01:39
SDuensinI don't see any.  I even looked.01:39
@rizencuz they are preloaded by modperl01:39
SynQor a quote is missing somewhere01:39
@preactioni'm beginning to believe it's a job for professionals with access to the box01:39
@rizeni disagree01:39
SynQi agree01:39
SynQJT should fix it for pannekoeken01:40
SynQSDuensin do you know how to make pannekoeken?01:40
* SDuensin doesn't even know WTF pannekoeken is.01:40
@rizeni'm quite certain this is something ordinary or bland01:40
SynQSDuensin too bad, I know for a fact that JT does almost everything for pannekoeken01:40
SDuensinI hope so, rizen.  At the moment, I'm scared to commit anything to any site.01:40
@rizenyou certainly shouldn't be doing anyting on the site01:41
@rizennor should you bother deleting it01:41
@rizenthat's just bs01:41
SDuensinWhat config files would you all like posted?01:41
@rizenthat's like restarting your computer cuz you don't know what's wrong with it01:41
SDuensinrizen - That fixes Windows!01:41
@rizeni don't want any config files posted01:41
@rizeni just want you to enable INFO01:41
@rizenrestart modperl01:41
@rizentail -f it in one window01:41
SDuensinOk.01:41
@rizenand then run the curl command that i gave you earlier01:42
@rizenin another window01:42
SynQin the mean time I'll offer a small mouse01:42
SDuensinTo be sure I do it right, I've now got "log4perl.logger = INFO, mainlog" in /data/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.  Right?01:42
@rizenyup01:42
@rizenyou could do it better if you came to the wuc01:43
@rizenor had the webgui admin guide01:43
@rizenbut that will work01:43
SynQ:)01:43
SDuensinI'd love to go to the WUC.  Just can't swing it right now.01:43
SynQI'm glad the admin guide has a black cover01:43
SDuensinIs the admin guide out?  Did I miss that?01:43
@rizeni wrote it. it has to have a black cover01:43
SynQhehe01:43
@rizenyeah, it's been out for a few weeks01:43
SynQrizen: I'll flood your mailbox with additions to the admin guide once we recieve it over the mail. >:)01:44
cap10morganrizen: i implemented your example log4perl config that emails fatals, but strangely when i add a site-specific log to log.conf (in addition to mainlog), it starts emailing everything from that site-specific log (i.e. not just fatals). have you seen that?01:44
SDuensinrizen - curl says "done", log didn't do crap.  All I see is the Apache startup message.01:46
SDuensinWHOA!01:47
SynQwhoa?01:47
SDuensinMy 25 suspended workflows are now gone.01:47
SDuensinWTF?01:47
* SDuensin thinks it might be scared of rizen.01:47
@rizencap10morgan no, but post a bug report and we'll get some errata released01:48
cap10morganok01:48
@rizenSD, you're looking at the wrong log01:49
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SDuensinmodperl.error.log?01:49
@rizenyou changed the INFO for the webgui.log01:49
SDuensinOh.01:50
@rizenand then didn't look at the webgui.log01:50
SynQJT: do you know what a red lantern is?01:50
* SDuensin grumbles something about dumb users.01:50
@rizeni do if it refers to prostitutes01:50
SynQit doesn't01:50
@rizenthen no01:50
SynQit refers to cycling games01:50
SynQthe red lantern is awarded to the last runner in the race01:51
SDuensinSeriously dude.  Nothing.  And I see INFO entries from other sites, so I know I have INFO turned on.01:51
SynQ60 karma points to go and I will be the last entry in the karma list on http://www.plainblack.com/wg/karma01:51
* SDuensin needs Page 241 from the Admin Guide... "Don't Panic".01:52
SynQI think the last entry on that list should be displayed in red :)01:52
@rizensubmit an RFE01:56
* SDuensin has now run rizen into hiding01:56
@rizenman, did no one listen in colin's talk01:56
SynQhmm01:57
SDuensinrizen, all I get in my webgui.log are things like this:  http://pastebin.com/m6e81e04602:00
@rizenlook at the time on that log02:01
@rizenare you sure it's even writing out new log data?02:01
SDuensinThis just happened:  http://pastebin.com/d3349b41802:01
SDuensin(And my clock is wrong.  One problem at a time.)02:01
SynQok02:01
SynQnow I'm gonna lobby for it02:01
@rizenSynQ02:02
SynQon the IRC channel02:02
SynQhttp://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/red-lantern-on-the-karma-list02:02
SynQ:P02:02
@rizenthe ass kicking addUser.pl script is emailed to colin02:02
SynQgreat02:02
@rizeni made it nice so that it has help and everything02:02
SynQI am now even more motivated to create my version02:02
* SDuensin doesn't even know what pbcron000000000000000402:03
SDuensin+is02:03
perlDreamerthat is the GUID for a unique workflow instance02:03
perlDreamersince it is 22 characters long02:03
SynQperlDreamer ... wil you put karma on my feature request please, please please :)02:03
@preactionprobably the run hourly one02:03
SynQbtw, did you like the stroopwafels? have you tried them yet?02:04
perlDreamerwe haven't opened them yet02:04
SDuensinWorkflowInstance is empty.02:04
@rizenthe stroopwafels are awesome02:04
perlDreamerWe struck out on cheese and cheese curds.02:04
SynQthanks to my sister02:04
SDuensinNo FRICKIN clue when it decided to run those.  Or why.02:04
perlDreamercow pies are a big winner02:04
perlDreamerIt will run the cron with it thinks it is the correct time02:05
perlDreamerWe have high hopes for the stroopwafels and the teriyaki jerky02:05
SynQrizen: I've allready created a webgui page for my new nephew02:05
* SDuensin is really stressed out about this.02:05
SynQits http://www.tooncornelis.nl02:06
@rizenSD read page 24102:06
SDuensinYea.  In large, friendly, red letters.02:06
SynQnothing on there yet though02:06
perlDreamerSynQ: which RFE do you want karma added to?02:07
* SDuensin wants the new books. They look spiffy.02:07
SynQthe red-lantern-on-the-karma-list rfe02:07
perlDreamerafter it is rated, I'll add some to it.02:08
SynQhmm02:08
SynQdid your presentation say to push JT to rate the rfe's or didn't it?02:09
SDuensinSo weird that all the other sites work fine.02:09
SynQthat is weird02:09
SynQI agree02:09
perlDreamerI have the feeling that pushing JT may influence the Difficulty in a negative way :)02:09
@rizenSD, you just said it was working02:10
@rizenpublish something and see if it works02:10
SDuensinThe pbcron* things are still 500ing.02:10
@rizensurey they are02:11
@rizenyou haven't proven to me that they are, you can't seem to get the log file correct02:11
SDuensinThis just happened:  http://pastebin.com/d3349b41802:11
@rizenwhy does it say 2:1802:11
SDuensin(And my clock is wrong.  One problem at a time.)02:12
@rizenfix the problems that y ou can02:12
SDuensinAdded an article - http://pastebin.com/d5de61c4302:12
SynQperlDreamer I guess I won't push then :)02:12
@rizencurl http://www.cloudcircle.com/?op=runCronJob;taskId=pbcron000000000000000402:13
SynQdo you know if you get karma if a rfe you requested is being implemented?02:13
@rizenescape the ;02:13
perlDreamerNo.02:13
perlDreamerYou also don't get the karma from the RFE if you implement it.02:13
@rizenSynQ gets negative karma for asking so many questions02:13
@rizenand sending me pictures of children02:13
SynQNo, you don't know, or no you know it doesn't02:13
perlDreamerI know that it does not.02:14
SynQgee02:14
SDuensin"done" - but I didn't see anything get logged.02:14
SynQI didn't send them to you02:14
SynQI sent them to sarah02:14
SynQby proxy02:14
SDuensinIt just tried to run pbcron*04 again.  50002:14
SynQhere's a picture of Gooey: http://www.marij.net/uploads/FY/CY/FYCYHmnr_L-5aRAdKdUBMA/02-Octopus.jpg02:16
SDuensinhahahaha02:16
SDuensinThat's great!02:16
@rizenbut it's got a kid attached to it02:16
@rizenso it's invalid02:16
SynQit's Marij02:16
@rizenit doesnt' matter who it is02:17
@rizenalso, you can't all "it" a "who"02:17
* SDuensin refers back to page 241.02:17
@rizenit doesn't get a "who" status until it can speak in complete sentences02:17
@rizensd, run spectre in debug mode in a new window02:18
SynQthat picture is old, Marij can now speak in complete 6 word sentences02:18
SynQ:)02:18
SDuensinDo an ./rc.spectre stop first?02:18
@rizenyes02:19
SDuensink02:19
SynQI gotta go to the toilet and I want some more cheese please02:19
SynQfor example02:19
@rizenSynQ, has anyone told you that you're baby crazy?02:19
SynQuh02:19
SDuensinspectre.pl --run --debug is running02:20
SynQmost of the time they skip the word baby02:20
@rizenlet it run for a few minutes02:20
SynQand just call me crazy02:20
@rizenthen pastebin the output02:20
SynQwhoahahahaha02:20
* SynQ dances on his head02:20
SynQbut now I't time to go and walk the dog and sleep off the last few hours of my jetlag02:21
SynQnite all02:21
SynQI'll bug you again tomorrow :)02:21
SDuensinrizen - http://pastebin.com/m76c8dbd702:21
@rizena FEW MINUTES02:22
@rizenit hasn't even been a few minutes since i told you to do it02:22
SDuensinWell, it showed the error right away.  :-P02:22
SDuensinI don't know if I can capture *minutes* with this terminal.02:22
SDuensinHere's a piece out of the middle.   http://pastebin.com/m20322acb02:24
@rizenremember those two curl commands i gave you02:24
@rizenrun them with a :8102:24
@rizenin the url02:24
@rizenat the end of the domain02:24
SDuensink02:25
SDuensin"done" and "complete"02:28
SDuensinThis is all very odd.02:33
@rizenok then, i'm going to side with preaction and haarg that you need professional help02:33
SDuensinMore professional than you?  :-P02:33
@rizenno i mean login support02:34
@rizencuz either you're leaving stuff out or i don't know what else to ask02:34
SDuensinWish I had $5000.02:34
@preactionprobably be able to get to the answer right quick with access to the box02:34
@rizenad hoc login support is only $50002:34
SDuensinI'd rather you took a digit off the other side of that number.  :-P02:36
@rizensorry man, i've asked what i can ask and you're giving me unparsable answers02:37
SDuensinI wish I had better answers.  All I can give is what the box tells me.02:37
@rizenso you're either experiencing something completely new02:37
@rizenor you're misdirecting me02:37
@rizenwhich i can't believe you'd do02:37
* SDuensin votes for "completely new".02:37
SDuensinSo weird it works from everywhere but Spectre.02:38
@rizenis your sitename specified correctly in your webgui config file?02:39
@rizenthe only thing that i can tell you to do at this point is add some debug code to WebGUI::Operation::Workflow at www_runWorkflow02:40
SDuensinYea, it's correct.02:40
@rizenand WebGUI::Operation::Cron www_runCronJob02:40
@rizenso you can try to figure out what's going on02:40
@rizeneval each line and spit out the $@ results02:40
SDuensinI wish this was my real job.  I've certainly pissed away more than $500 in time fighting it.  <sigh>02:41
SDuensinThose seem to work.  I think Spectre is to blame.02:46
@rizeni think it's your mom02:47
SDuensinNa.  Can't be her.  She can't even send email.02:48
@khennI think it's preaction's mom02:48
@preactionthen why did you give her a commit bit?02:48
perlDreamerNepotism02:48
@preactionnot my fault she's hotter than your wife :(02:48
@khenndon't talk about Kathy that way!02:49
* SDuensin is starting to miss WebGUI 5.x.02:56
@rizendon't even go there02:57
SDuensinIt loved me.  :-)02:57
@rizenyeah, but if i hear you say that again i'm going to pull out my nine and gat some motherf*ckers02:58
@preactionOH NOES!02:58
SDuensin7.x - for some odd reason - has a problem with me being WebGUI's Biggest Fan.02:58
@rizenit really doesn't02:59
SDuensinSays you!  It LIKES you!02:59
@rizenit loves me02:59
@apeiron... probably because he *told* it to... /me coughs...03:02
SDuensinhehe03:03
perlDreamerperl 5.10 just went into code freeze03:09
* perlDreamer wants //=03:10
@preactionmmmmmmmmm 5.1003:10
SDuensinAre they still making any progress on 6 / Parrot?03:10
perlDreamerthat's not a straight forward question03:10
SDuensinhehe03:10
perlDreamerThe language design is going well03:10
perlDreamerOf the 5 perl 6 implementations...03:11
SDuensinThe WHAT?!03:11
SDuensinFIVE?03:11
perlDreamerpugs is languishing since the lead programmer has been sick for a long time03:11
SDuensinWTF is Pugs?03:11
perlDreamerParrot is proceeding, but slowly.  It suffered from too many changes in lead programmers03:11
SDuensinAnd that sucks about the programmer.03:11
perlDreamermp6 (mostly perl 6) has been dead a long time03:12
perlDreamerkp6 (kinda perl 6) has a new backend, where it compiles perl 6 code using a perl 5 based parser and an AST transformer03:12
perlDreamerhm03:12
perlDreamerI seem to be short one implementation03:12
perlDreameror two03:12
SDuensin"Mostly" and "Kinda"?  Hehehe03:12
perlDreamerPugs is the Haskell based perl 6 prototyping system03:13
perlDreamerit is the most complete perl 6 implementation in existence03:13
SDuensinAh, ok.  I've heard of that - just didn't know it was called Pugs.03:13
perlDreamera lot of perl6-isms are being backported to perl 503:16
perlDreamerlike //=03:16
* SDuensin has no idea what that is.03:16
@preactionthe new given/when03:16
perlDreamerdo you know what ||= is ?03:16
SDuensinNo.  Perl scares me.03:17
perlDreamerwell, //= is very similar, only it is defined-or instead of logical-or03:17
* SDuensin can read Perl, but writing is a bit rough.03:17
perlDreamerhm, ||= is a shortcut for $var = $var || 'something' else03:17
perlDreamer$var ||= 'something'03:18
SDuensinMakes sense.03:18
perlDreamernow, //= is a shortcut for03:18
perlDreamer$var = (defined $var ? $var : 'something');03:18
perlDreamerit works on definedness instead of truth03:18
SDuensinI can see where that'd be handy.03:19
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perlDreamerSDuensin: Do you really find Java easier/different from Perl?03:41
@rizenjava is pretty damn easy03:42
@rizenbut i think perl is easier03:42
SDuensinI'm sure it's what you're used to.  For me, Java is easier.03:43
perlDreamerhome is always more comfortable03:44
@preactioncasting primitives frustrates me to no end03:44
SDuensinI learned Java just to work with that ZK toolkit.  I plan on buffing up my Perl for WebGUI.03:45
@apeironSDuensin, Get yourself hence to Learning Perl. Best way, IMO.03:45
SDuensinThat one of the animal books?03:46
perlDreamerLlama03:46
@preactionthe llama book03:46
@preactionperlbot learn perl03:46
perlbothttp://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/03:46
@preactionhum... that's not the right one03:46
perlDreameractually, if you're a programmer, I'd recommend just going straight to Programming Perl, the camel book instead03:46
SDuensinI had both of those at one of my previous jobs.  Didn't steal them when I left.  :-(03:47
@preactionbeginning perl is for non-programmers. learning perl is for non-Perlers03:47
@rizenand i have an even better recommendation that supersedes what all these yahoos have told you. get a copy of the perl black book. it's out of print, but worth every penny03:47
@apeironHey, I'm not a yahoo, dammit. I'm just a run of the mill nutjob. :)03:48
@rizenthe little black book is pretty good too, but the full perl black book is even better if you can find it03:48
@rizenlots more examples03:48
SDuensinFound both of them.03:49
@preactionyou just like it because it's "black"03:49
@apeironAnd 'little'03:49
@rizen$apeiron->castAs("dickwad");03:49
SDuensinIf any of you guys are after books, check www.abebooks.com - they have some GREAT prices!03:49
@apeirontee hee03:49
@preactionto be quite honest, perldoc is about the best resource for learning perl there ever will be03:49
@apeironrizen++ # comical03:49
@preactionperlbot karma for rizen03:49
perlbotKarma for rizen: 103:49
@preactionhe's on the board!03:49
@rizenactually it's not just cuz it's black. ask frank. it really is the best perl book ever03:50
SDuensinhttp://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=1576104656&sts=t&x=24&y=903:50
@rizenyup that's it03:51
@rizeni wish corilis didn't go out of business03:52
perlDreamerwhy not find the author and see if he can release the work?03:52
@rizenthe black book series were the best tech books ever made03:52
@rizeni believe that o'reilly bought the rights03:53
@rizenwow, i never knew about this abe books store03:53
@rizenit's awesome03:53
perlDreamerhttp://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1932111107/03:54
perlDreamerIt's still available03:54
@rizenoh sweet: http://www.paraglyphpress.com/about.php03:56
@rizenit lives again03:56
@rizenthey're rebulding from the ashes03:56
@rizenhere's to hoping they can get holzner to update the PBB to 5.1003:56
* perlDreamer goes home03:57
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SDuensinYea, I love Abe.03:58
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khenn_yep, the Black Book > all other Perl books05:09
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+perlDreameris the 7.5 release imminent?06:35
@preactionnowhere near06:35
+perlDreamergood06:36
@preactionweren't you listening during the keynote?06:36
+Radix-wrkWhat's new in 7.5?06:36
+perlDreamerYou won't believe it!06:36
@preactionRadix-wrk, not finalized yet, but there's the Gallery asset at least06:36
+Radix-wrkWhat was said in the keynote?06:36
+perlDreamerWebGUI is going to be rewritten in befunge!06:36
@preactioni thought he said brainf*ck06:36
+perlDreamertoo verbose06:36
+Radix-wrkawesome06:36
+perlDreamerLots of AJAX on the horizon06:36
+perlDreamerA brand new, dedicated photo gallery06:37
@preactionGallery will, out of the box, provide Flickr-like collaborative photo gallerys06:37
+Radix-wrkcool06:37
+perlDreamerVideo sharing (WebGUI Video) will be like YouTube06:37
@apeironAnd it'll even pluralize 'gallery' correctly!06:37
@preactionthe Video thing is being implemented via the Gallery, the Gallery is going to be awesomecore06:38
+perlDreamerLots of social application kinds of things06:38
+Radix-wrkthis using JT's thingy?06:38
@preactionthe Friends Network thing has been committed already06:38
@preactionnope, the Thingy is different, and that should be in 7.5 too06:38
+perlDreamerThe Things will be out, too06:38
+perlDreamerIs Commerce in 7.5?06:39
@preactiona new release cycle of 6 months for feature releases, keeping one-week bugfix releases until the new Patch-based release system gets finished06:39
+perlDreameryeah, patches!06:39
@preactioni think Commerce may make it into 7.5 if not i Know JT's been doing the design already, so it might be 7.606:40
@preactionbut iirc that's the 8.0 milestone, actually06:40
* perlDreamer goes to check the roadmap06:41
+Radix-wrkSounds like a number of interesting things are ahead then06:41
@preactionoh yes06:41
@preactionwe're at the cusp of a great evolution of WebGUI06:41
+perlDreamerwhat happened to the roadmap?06:41
@preactiondurno06:42
@preactioni know the EMS is going to be redone sooner rather than later, but that's contingent on the Commerce rewrite06:43
@preactioni was thinking about making it a subclass of the Calendar, since a few people have expressed interest in getting Calendar views for their EMS06:43
+perlDreamermixin06:44
+perlDreamerpreaction: have you pursued your MasterContainer Wobject idea?06:44
@preactionoh, and the biggest development: code in the core is no longer allowed without full test suites06:44
@preactionno, unfortunately. the DumbContainer has taken a backseat to the AssetReport06:45
+Radix-wrkSomeone needs to post a review of the WUC somewhere so those of us who could not attend could at least catch up on the main points :)06:45
+perlDreamerhttp://use.perl.org/~colink06:45
+perlDreamerAssetReport?06:45
@preactioncap10morgan gave one on the contribs page, but it has too much Navigation and not enough SQLReport power06:45
@preactionit's basically a replacement for using SQLReports to get Assets06:45
+perlDreameroh, yeah06:45
@preactioni've got everything done except a Constraints tab (to provide a "where" clause) and the test suite06:46
+perlDreamerpreaction: I won't forget to read through the WebGUI::Test options06:46
+perlDreamerbut I just found a Help bug that I want to quash06:46
@preactionmaybe i should merge the WebGUI::Test::Maker from my photogallery branch06:47
+perlDreamerYes!06:47
+Radix-wrkcheers pd - just looking at your journal entries now06:47
+Radix-wrkshould write it up for slashdot or something I reckon.. get some news out there about webgui06:47
+perlDreamerDo we still make release announcements to LWN.net?06:48
+Radix-wrkcongrats on contributor of the year award too :)06:49
+perlDreamerThank you.06:49
+perlDreamerIt doesn't hurt that I get 2-3 months per year of downtime at $dayJob06:49
+perlDreamerThose guys are just nuts.06:49
+Radix-wrkdon't think releases are made on LWN - though it looks like the 2007 WebGUI users conference was06:51
@preactionWebGUI::Test::Maker committed to trunk06:51
@preactionisn't there a bot that will track revisions to SVN and post them in the channel?06:52
@preactiongot... i need more free time... there's a SQL::Translator thing that would be awesome for WebGUI releases (use GraphViz to include a visual ERD for each release of WebGUI)06:53
@preactionthe smoke tests haven't been posted to a WebGUI forum in forever and a day06:53
@apeironpreaction, CIA.06:53
@preactionCaffiene Injector Action?06:54
@preactionCrack Ingestion Assumed?06:54
@apeironuh06:55
+Radix-wrkCheers In Advance06:55
@apeironI'm not sure to what the acronym expands.06:55
@apeironOr even if it is an acronym.06:55
+Radix-wrkChristians in April06:55
@apeironAnywho, cia.vc06:55
@preactionthat svn thing i was talking about?06:55
@apeironYeah.06:55
+perlDreamersmoke tests are back online already06:59
@preactionwe should change the +v that WebGUI Contributers get into a +h, so they have power to keep some order in the channel06:59
@preactionorly?06:59
+perlDreamerorly?06:59
@preactionyarly06:59
@preactionperlbot orly06:59
+perlDreamerah07:00
@preactionperlbot orly is yarly07:00
perlbotadded orly to the database07:00
@apeironpreaction, We can do that after you submit a patch to dancer to allow for +h. :)07:00
@preactionthis isn't dancer, this is hyperion. i could've swore they had halfop07:00
@preactionnope, guess not07:01
@preactionthey killed dancer for some reason and are now calling it hyperion07:01
@apeironeh, whatev. I just know it doesn't have +h. :)07:01
@preactionnope, just ov07:01
@preactionPREFIX=(ov)@+07:01
@preactioninteresting: the IRC server refers to itself as "dancer", but the welcome message says "hyperion-1.0.2b"07:02
@preactions/interesting/boring/07:02
+perlDreamers/boring/schizo-aliased/07:02
@apeironI shall add that to my defence of believing why this was dancer and not hyperion. :)07:03
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@preactionCIA-39, botsnack?07:04
@preactionlame.07:04
+perlDreamerwhat's the commit check interval?07:06
@preaction15 minutes07:06
@preactionwe don't have anything to ping it, so it has to wait07:06
+perlDreamerdoes it limit message rates so it won't rate a killfile entry?07:06
@preactionbut you may want to go to cia.vc and add yourself as an Author on the WebGUI project07:06
@preactioni would hope so07:07
@preactionit's on like a dozen other channels07:07
@preactioni imagine they only spawn new bots when the existing ones reach the channel limit07:07
+perlDreamerthere were lots of problems with the svnbotl on #parrot, it almost got banned.07:08
@preactionnice07:08
@preactionlooks like CIA.vc also provides an RSS feed for commits07:09
@preactiondoesn't SVN::Web do the same thing?07:10
+perlDreamerI think so07:10
@apeironMaybe not for projects not using SVN.07:10
+perlDreameryup07:10
+perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/rss/WebGUI/07:10
@preactionof course, i just don't believe in unnecessary obfuscation of using CIA's servers when I can use the native one07:11
+perlDreameryou can basically get an RSS feed for any level in SVN07:11
@preactionit's been a month since I started using an RSS reader, and I'm wondering why the heck i waited this long ;)07:11
@apeironRSS: all the information you never knew you cared about until it became hip.07:12
@preactionunfair: i use it so i don't have to check my webcomics and Worse Than Failure 5 times a day for updates07:13
+perlDreamerreminds me, I have to check xkcd07:13
@apeironbaha, the caption (not the image caption) on the newest one is great.07:14
@preactionare you saying that wikipedia's a bad resource to learn about foreplay?07:16
+perlDreamerisa relationships got broke in the Help somewhere07:16
@preactionthat's not good07:16
+perlDreamermaybe I should build a test for it :)07:17
@preactionsounds like a good idea!07:17
@preactionrofl i did a --dry-run and thought it committed...07:18
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4879 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: don't need no stinking lib07:18
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4880 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: don't need no stinking File::Find07:18
+perlDreamerI really need to have fewer online identies07:19
@preactionokay, that was totally not the bot's fault, COLIN07:19
+perlDreamer2/second is usually okay07:19
@apeironperlDreamer, Sometimes I wish I had more.07:21
+perlDreamerwhy for?07:22
@apeironAnonymity is sometimes a good thing. :)07:22
@preactioni've got a legacy with old ones, i keep changing to more PC names07:22
@apeironLet's hear the non-PC ones!07:23
@preactionHawkaloogie was about the least PC as I got07:23
@preactioneveryone just HAD to comment on it07:23
* apeiron notes that he hasn't.07:23
@apeironAlthough all those hours in MMOs might have desensitised me a smidgeon...07:24
@preactionmayhaps07:24
@preaction16-yr-olds with P3n15ma5t3r just doesn't seem as clever anymore07:25
+perlDreamerye're getting old07:25
@apeironOh, yeah, now you have d4rkp3n15m5t3r.07:25
@preactionoh GOD YES07:25
@preactioni'm 24, i can't be old yet07:26
@apeironI saw several names with 'dark' in them when I was WoWing last night.07:26
* perlDreamer grieves07:30
+perlDreamera test has been obsoleted07:30
+perlDreamertime to crash out07:32
+perlDreamerwe old folk need our rest07:32
+perlDreamernight, all07:32
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r4881 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Added WebGUI::Test::Maker07:33
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@preactionmorning people from across the pond10:10
AMH_bobGoodmorning Doug!10:26
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SDuensinGreetings!16:41
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+MrHairgreasehey frank17:08
+MrHairgreasedo you know when tavis will be posting his remaining wuc photos?17:08
SDuensinMorning, MrHairgrease 17:09
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+MrHairgreasegreetings sduensin17:13
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@khennI don't know17:14
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perlDreamerbe forewarned, there may be a problem with one of the tests19:05
perlDreamerI ran a test coverage suite last night, and my config file got corrupted19:06
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@khennquiet today =p23:51
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MrHairgreas2now look what you've done khenn!23:51
@khennwhat is that?23:51
@khenndisturbed the peace?23:52
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+MrHairgreaseyour complaining made sduensin leave =)23:53
@khennI wasn't complaining.  I merely noted that it was quiet today23:54
+MrHairgreasewhy do you have to be so negative?23:55
@khennwhy are you always reading between the lines? =p23:55
+MrHairgreaseyou could've also said. People sure are busy today hacking webgui!23:55
@apeironYes, he could've said that.23:55
+MrHairgreaseThat's the spirit23:55
+MrHairgreaseYES23:56
+MrHairgreasesay it with me23:56
@apeironPeople sure are busy hacking webgui today!23:56
+MrHairgreaseand become a better positive person23:56
+MrHairgreaseYES!!!23:56
@apeiron(me, I'm testing a workflow, waiting for a long-running process to complete before I know if I got it right)23:56
@khennI could also just issue random positive statments23:57
* MrHairgrease is watching a very quiet channel waiting for people to finally say something23:57
@khennpeople sure are busy fixing WebGUI bugs today23:57
+MrHairgreasefrank's seen the light =)23:58
@khennespecially MrHairgrease who claims he will have them all fixed by end of business tomorrow!23:58
+MrHairgreaseyou keep using those drugs boy23:59
@khennwho also said he's be finished with a full test suite for all of WebGUI by the end of October23:59
@khenn=)23:59
+MrHairgreaseAND the alcohol23:59
+MrHairgrease=)23:59
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* perlDreamer hears snapcount's crickets again01:00
perlDreamerWhere is everybody?01:00
+MrHairgreasein the netherlands of course01:00
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perlDreamerOffhand, do you know how big a compiled and installed WRE is?01:05
perlDreamerI'm thinking about a thumbdrive based install of the WRE.01:06
perlDreamerActually, on a separate topic, I think I know the secret of WebGUI's popularity problem.01:11
perlDreamerIt's the name01:11
perlDreamerEveryone seems to have settled on Nuke as a required part of a CMS01:11
perlDreamerPHPNuke01:11
perlDreamerPostNuke01:11
perlDreamerDotNetNuke01:11
perlDreamerSo we'll need to rename WebGUI01:11
perlDreamerWebNuke01:11
perlDreamerNukeGUI01:11
perlDreamerWebGUINuke01:11
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4883 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/User.pm: remove extra whitespace that was interfering with POD parsing.01:33
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4884 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Friends.pm: fix broken POD command in Friends01:33
knowmadperlDreamer: "I'm thinking about a thumbdrive based install of the WRE." -- how about a vmware image?01:36
knowmadi've got a project to build a bootable linux cd; maybe we can use it to figure out how to create a bootable iso that would startup wG on a local workstation01:36
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* MrHairgrease concurs with perldreamer that joomla, mambo, plone, wordpress and drupal all sound exactly like nuke =)01:37
knowmadboth of those options would save install headaches01:37
knowmadMrHairgrease: In what language?01:37
+MrHairgreasenone that i know off01:37
knowmad:)01:38
+MrHairgreasemaybe garbled crap01:38
+MrHairgreasebut that's more rizen's forte01:38
knowmadisn't that the language they were all written in?01:38
+MrHairgrease=)01:38
+MrHairgreaseyeah01:38
+MrHairgreaseby the pointy haired programmers01:38
knowmadthat's a scary image01:38
+MrHairgreaseor maybe point headed programmers01:39
+MrHairgreaseit doesn't matter01:39
knowmadi've got to go home; my dogs are hungry01:39
+MrHairgreasewebgui is  programmed in a language that allows ascii art beer bottles to actually be valid cod01:39
+MrHairgreaseok01:39
+MrHairgreasewell goodbye i guess01:40
knowmadand don't we all need that!01:40
knowmadgoodbye01:40
+MrHairgreaseyes we do01:40
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4885 /WebGUI/t/i18n/label.t: make sure that no files are accidently skipped, and emit comments via diag, not warn01:48
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perlDreamerpreaction: your editor leaks spaces02:00
@preactionhow so?02:00
perlDreamerwell, you made a commit (and I'm assuming that it's your code, perhaps wrongly) where there was a whole bunch of extra white space02:01
perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=487402:01
perlDreamerand it caused the Whitespace.t test to fail (which does POD syntax checking for strict parsers)02:01
@preactionnope, that was Frank/JTs code02:02
perlDreamerhttps://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=488302:02
perlDreamerah, okay02:02
@preactioni only had to fix a minor conflict and test02:02
perlDreamermy bad02:02
@preactionoh, i see. the lines with only whitespace on them02:02
@preactionyeah, that's kinda ugly. i imagine it's Frank's HomeSite that's doing it02:03
@preactionvim is what I use, and iirc that's what JT uses02:03
@preactionand iirc vim clears out lines that only have whitespace on them02:03
perlDreamerunless you have autoindent set up strangely, yes02:04
@preactioni dunno, i did change my vimrc file recently, but hope that didn't munge anything up02:04
@preactionit helps me see glaring problems with indenting (since tab chars are still 8 wide, but my tabs are 4 spaces)02:05
+MrHairgreasehear hear02:05
+MrHairgreasehttp://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif02:05
@preactionlol02:05
@preactionKFC "Famous Bowls" are quite possibly the most ugly collection of awesome-tasting goodness ever constructed: http://www.theimpulsivebuy.com/?p=40802:10
@preactionMashed Potatoes + Brown Gravy + Corn + Fried Chicken Bites + Cheese + Bowl = FAMOUS02:10
@rizenWRE is about 250 mb before you add any sites02:12
perlDreamergotta go02:16
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@apeironpreaction, Look up Wikipedia's entry for scrapple. 02:56
@apeironpreaction, I've declared it as veritably ambrosia. But anyone who reads about it is utterly disgusted.02:57
@apeironhmm. They probably don't have that out in WI. =\02:57
@rizensomebody needs to write all kinds of cool stuff about plain black and webgui in wikipedia02:57
@apeironWe can't.02:57
@preactiondoesn't look any worse than meatloaf02:57
@apeironSomeone *else* can, though.02:57
@preactionwe could, sure, we just can't lie02:58
@preactionthere's no real "plainblack IP block" they could detect ;)02:58
@rizenare you saying that there is no "cool stuff" to write about us02:58
@rizencuz i think there's all kinds of cool stuff02:58
@apeironI'm saying that Wikipedia has policies against employees writing about their employers.02:59
@preactionit's more of a wikipedia policy of "original research"02:59
@apeironThat too.02:59
@preactionas in "no original research"02:59
@apeironAnd it probably also violates the neutral point of view policy, too.02:59
@rizenok, apeiron, you're fired02:59
Radix__i can02:59
@rizennow go write about us on wikipedia03:00
@rizenhehe03:00
@apeironDamn.03:00
@rizenthen when you're done, let me know and i'll rehire you03:00
@apeironuhm, what would I go write?03:01
@apeiron"gee, these guys suck, they hired me for two weeks and then fired me"03:01
@rizenno, you'd write cool stuff03:01
@rizencuz you know i'm going to hire you again when you're done03:01
@rizenactually i should go see what it says about us on wikipedia, cuz we've been getting quite a bit of traffic from there03:02
@apeironWow, interesting.03:02
@apeironen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems 03:03
@apeironThat's probably why.03:03
@apeironWe're one of the few FOSS CMSs listed for Perl.03:03
@rizenwe are one of the only perl ones in existence03:04
@rizennot just listed, but just plain available03:04
@apeironThat too. :)03:04
@rizenthere are only 4 that i know of03:04
@rizentiki (wiki)03:04
@rizenbricolage (new oriented sites)03:04
@rizenmetadot (intranets)03:04
@rizenwebgui (general purpose)03:05
@rizens/new/news/03:05
@apeironThe listing there has Scoop and Slashcode listed.03:05
@apeironBut they're closer to Bric, right?03:05
@rizenoh i forgot about slashcode03:05
@rizenslash is a blog, it runs slashdot03:05
@rizeni don't know what scoop is03:05
@rizeni'll have to see03:05
@apeironThey also list Cyclone3, which apparently runs on a morass of Perl, XUL, JS, C, and Java (*shudder*)03:06
Radix__I attended a talk about one while I was at the YAPC::Europe which was written in perl also03:06
Radix__it's much like webgui actually.. but much cruder03:06
Radix__written by one guy who had heard of webgui, but never tried it03:06
+MrHairgreaseyeah03:06
+MrHairgreasethat guy was on the channel a couple of weeks back03:07
@apeironWas it WebFUI? :)03:07
Radix__yeah, I told him to drop in and say hi03:07
+MrHairgreasewebphooey03:07
@rizenRadix, that guy came on the IRC channel after you talked to him03:07
@rizeni looked at his project03:07
@apeironAh, I missed the 'written in perl' part.03:07
Radix__I wore my webgui t-shirt the first day at the conference03:07
+MrHairgreasewhich is based on php03:07
@rizenit's where webgui was about 4 years ago03:07
@rizenhe said he really just writes it for therapy03:07
Radix__rizen: yup, that's what I thought03:08
Radix__we should get him to start working on webgui instead - he'll need more therapy if he does that tho03:08
+MrHairgreasespeak for yourself03:08
@rizeni tried to get him to do that03:08
+MrHairgreasesome people run fine on liquor03:08
+MrHairgrease=)03:09
@rizenbut he said he has too much invested in his03:09
Radix__heh03:09
@rizenscoop looks like slashcode03:09
Radix__Well.. off to work.. afk03:09
+MrHairgreaseok time to go to sleep03:09
+MrHairgreaselater03:09
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@apeironCyclone's UI looks nice, but I personally think the four / five different implementation languages would make it a nightmare.03:23
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@rizencyclone is a publishing only system, not a dynamic system like webgui03:58
@apeironah.03:59
SDuensinHey gang.04:01
SDuensinrizen - Thanks again, man.  I owe you.04:01
@rizenyeah you do04:02
@rizenhehe04:02
@rizenyou need to write some articles about webgui and get them published somewhere04:03
@rizenwe need press04:03
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+SDuensinPress is good.04:05
+SDuensinI've not written anything, but short of holding a WebGUI parade, I do a pretty good job in person.  :-)04:05
@preactionpersonal blog?04:06
+SDuensinNope.  But a professional one soon.  :-)04:06
+SDuensin(Running on WebGUI, of course!)04:06
@preactioni need to add an RFE for a "Blog" collab system variant that interfaces with the new Friends system and allows LiveJournal-type sites04:08
@apeironSo then people can use WebGUI to talk about how awful their lives are?04:08
+SDuensinFriends system?04:08
@preactionapeiron, i was thinking more of having a staff blog where we can talk about Public stuff and Private stuff04:09
@preactionSDuensin, new in 7.504:09
@apeironpreaction, Ahh.04:09
+SDuensinpreaction - Oooo!  Color me excited!04:09
@preactionSDuensin, the new Gallery asset makes use of it to form a type of "Flickr"-like site04:09
+SDuensinEven more excited!04:10
@rizenand the blog variant should also use the blogger api so that third party blog tools work with it04:10
@rizenwhat?04:10
@rizenreally the gallery uses the friends system?04:10
+Radix-wrkSounds awesome04:12
@preactionrizen, yes, "public" and "private" photos in albums04:12
+SDuensinWell, preaction, quit chattin' and get that sucker released!   :-P04:13
@preactionlaugh, i'm looking at 5000+ lines of code for this one04:14
@preactionwithout templates04:14
+SDuensin:-)04:14
@preactioni'm probably about 1/4 of the way there, which is not a good measure of my completion since much of it so far has been skeletons that i'm filling in04:14
@rizenpreaction, the tests are all written then?04:15
@preactionfor the photo asset, which i'm filling in now, yes04:15
+SDuensinrizen, you ever think about getting interviewed on FOSS Weekly or some other podcast?04:16
@rizensd you must not have read my blog post this week04:18
+SDuensinNo.  I haven't.  I'm bad.04:18
+SDuensinWhoa.  It's black.04:18
@preactionit's JT :p04:18
@rizenwait...you've never seen the black blog before?04:19
+SDuensinYou need the shirt my sister has.  It's a black T that says, "I'll only wear black until I find something darker."04:19
@rizenheh, i do need that04:19
@apeironSign me up for one, too.04:20
+SDuensinI'll have to find out where she got it.04:22
+SDuensinFLOSS Weekly show about WebGUI has been requested.  :-)04:35
@rizenwhat?04:36
@rizenmy article said you were supposed to promote webgui04:36
@rizencuz you're more credible than me04:36
+SDuensinWell *I* requested it.  And I'll provide them more info if they ask.  However, they like to talk to the people who actually know WTF they're talking about.  :-)04:37
@rizenok well i'll do the interview04:38
@rizenbut you still owe me an article or two04:38
+SDuensinI'll see what I can do.  :-D04:38
+SDuensinWe use WebGUI for some sites that get traffic/news (like that www.kevinmhuntfoundation.org site).  Might be able to put something together about how WebGUI made those sites possible.04:39
+SDuensinWe threw that KMH Foundation site up *FAST*.  No way it could have been done with "traditional" tools.04:39
@rizenthat's what i want to see04:40
+Radix-wrkI built this site: www.tenpartinvention.com in about 10 hours from scratch.04:40
@rizenthat would be a great story04:40
@preactionRadix-wrk, would there be a way to get a Gravatar into a user profile? would it be as simple as making a field for the user's gravatar ID and then using the macro you wrote where appropriate?04:42
+Radix-wrkall you need to know is their gravatar id yeah04:42
@rizensd, i'm speaking at http://www.acm.org/ next month04:43
@rizenand in houston next week04:43
+SDuensinSweet.  Put it on Google Video.   :-)04:43
@rizenand somwhere else at the end of november04:43
@rizeni'm getting killed with all this media stuff these days04:44
@rizenthat's why i need you to write articles04:44
+Radix-wrkit'll be worth it tho :)04:44
@preactionrizen, it's all your fault for hiring Tavis... i knew he was bad news from the beginning04:44
@rizenyup..it was a terrible decision04:45
+Radix-wrkWho's tavis?04:45
@preactionDirector of Media Relations at plainblack04:45
@rizenpb's director of media relations04:45
+Radix-wrkAhh.. I see :)04:45
@preactionand imho damn good at his job04:45
+Radix-wrksounds like it :)04:46
@rizenwhat makes your opinion honest?04:46
@rizeni understand when people say imo04:46
@preactiontoday at Walmart I had someone ask me who I was04:46
@rizenbut imho makes no sense04:46
@preactionhumble04:46
@rizenoh04:46
+Radix-wrkonly liars think it means 'honest'04:46
@rizeni must be a liar then04:46
+Radix-wrkheh04:47
@rizencuz i always thought it meant honest04:47
@preactionseriously. there was that big thing about "Do you know who this is?" at the restaurant monday night, and now more than a week later and 150 miles away, people are asking me who i am04:47
@rizenbut i never used it cuz i thought it was pompas04:47
@rizenhehe04:47
@rizenyour reputation precedes you04:47
@preactionit's messed up04:47
@rizentavis' influence is greater than you imagined04:47
@preactionit's starting to scare me a bit04:47
@apeironpreaction, Dude, I don't know who you are any more!04:48
+Radix-wrkwho are you preaction ?04:48
@preactionFunny joke along those same lines: http://humour.200ok.com.au/popular_kev.html04:48
* preaction looks incredulous04:48
+Radix-wrkheh04:50
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CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r4886 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): profile field and dashbaord fixes09:18
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AMH_bobHi preaction, running the midnight oil? Or are you in Europe?10:28
@preactionmidnight movies10:29
AMH_bobSweet!10:29
AMH_bobNot for me, I still shaking off the jetlag.10:29
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SynQhi there15:35
SynQwe are trying to get some kind of 'register and reply to your e-mail before your account can be activated' way of authentication done15:41
SynQI recall this being just a part of WebGUI15:41
SynQbut I can't seem to find it now15:41
SynQI guess if something like this were possible it would be in the WebGUI Administration Guide15:41
SynQbut snailmail is soooo slooooow15:42
SynQit's not yet here15:42
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SynQah15:45
SynQhi rory15:45
roryzweistrahi!15:45
SynQdo you know a way to  'register and reply to your e-mail before your account can be activated' way of authentication done15:46
SynQor something15:46
roryzweistrahmmm......... not really15:46
SynQk15:47
AMH_mariIsn't this under site settings -> authentication -> Validate email addresses ?15:47
AMH_mariValidate email addresses15:48
AMH_mariBefore a user's account is activated, require that they click on a link sent to their email account.15:48
SynQthat's it15:48
SynQ:)15:48
AMH_mari:-)15:48
SynQlets see if that works15:48
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r4893 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.12 dev15:48
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SynQhi bart15:53
BartJolhopi15:53
BartJolwel the validation seems to work15:57
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SynQsweet15:57
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SynQhi frank15:59
SynQI now got a great cold15:59
SDuensinGreetings.15:59
SynQhi scott16:00
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SynQhuh16:02
SynQBartJo116:02
@khennhey16:02
BartJoltwo times laladiedada16:02
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SynQhehe16:02
SynQwe should do an irc training hour16:02
BartJolsorry, just checking16:03
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AMH_mari@SynQ: and? Does it work?16:30
xootomhi all, what's the plan for upgrading to 7.5, is/will it be maintained in parallel to 7.4.11?16:40
xootomor will it come as an upgrade after the final 7.416:40
SynQit does16:43
SynQthanks16:43
SynQBart, that photo gallery you have on webgui.bartjol.nl16:51
SynQwhere did you get the example?16:52
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SynQ Bart, that photo gallery you have on webgui.bartjol.nl16:59
SynQwhere did you get the example?16:59
AMH_mariwlc16:59
BartJo1it's a package from jesse on the webgui.org site17:00
BartJo1it's called lightbox17:00
SynQah ok17:00
SynQI did look at that, but didn't get it to work yet17:00
BartJo1it's in my import node17:02
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BartJo1don't forget to put it in the right namespace17:02
BartJo1then you have to select it in your image wobject template17:04
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SynQhey mister dodo17:56
SynQhow do you17:56
dapperedodoI'm great. Busy WebGUI hacking:)17:56
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@khennhaving brain problems this morning18:19
@khenndoes qw count new line characters as whitespace characters?18:19
@khennI'm pretty sure it does18:19
SynQuh18:20
@khennI can't remember18:20
@khenndon't feel like testing it18:20
@khenn=)18:20
SynQask google18:20
SynQYou can use any non-alphanumeric, non-whitespace delimeter to surround the qw() string argument.18:21
SynQso I'd say no18:22
SynQunless you use all new line characters18:22
@khennanswer is yes18:22
SynQbut you shouldn't mix spaces and new line characters18:22
@khenn=)18:22
SynQthat would at least get you ugly code18:22
SynQqw( some thing with spaces in between);18:23
@khennit doesn't care18:23
@khennqw (18:23
@khenn    my mother told me18:23
@khenn    to pick the very best one18:23
@khenn     and you are not it18:23
@khenn);18:23
@khennworks fine18:24
SynQhmm18:24
SynQbut it is ugly18:24
SynQit should be..18:24
@khennwell yeah18:24
@khennI was just wondering if it worked18:24
SynQqw (  my mother told me to pick the very best one and you are not it );18:24
SynQok18:25
SynQmy working day is over18:25
SynQI'm going home18:25
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@rizenname three things you love: sarah, perl, and webgui18:48
@rizenname three things you hate: joomla, plone, and postnuke18:49
* SDuensin hasn't met Sarah yet. :-)18:49
SDuensinEww.  Nuke.18:49
* SDuensin never figured out Plone.18:49
* SDuensin is ridding himself of Joomla.18:49
@rizeni found plone to be much easier than joomla and postnuke18:49
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@rizenactually, joomla took me and another geek i know over an hour to publish just one page18:50
SDuensinYea.  It's odd.18:50
SDuensinI really don't like how the admin tools are in their own little corner of the world away from the content.18:50
@rizeni understand that people like joomla because it's super easy to install18:55
@rizeni don't understand why they like the UI18:56
@rizeni've played with it for hours trying to figure out what's so good about the UI18:56
@rizeni just don't see it18:56
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xdangeris there still a "Report user registrations to a group" function or something like that... I remember that there might have been one...19:04
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cap10morgan_does WebGUI Done Right still live on the web anywhere?21:44
cap10morgan_I'm not sure if my subscription is current...21:44
cap10morgan_specifically i'm hoping to find some documentation on setting up database caching21:52
cap10morgan_which i don't seem to find on webgui.org21:52
@rizenadmin guide21:52
cap10morgan_so that's not in webgui done right (assuming it still exists)?21:53
@rizendon't think it was ever there21:53
@rizenand wdr doesn't exist21:54
SDuensinHey rizen - remember some time ago I was trying to explain how WebGUI was rendering the admin page without a style?  I figured out why!  Bug report coming soon!21:55
cap10morgan_ok, thanks21:56
cap10morgan_any plans to release electronic versions of your publications?21:57
@rizennot that i'm wijlling to talk about at this time22:01
cap10morgan_fair enough :)22:01
SDuensinOooo!  Nice non-commital, yet affirmative, answer!22:02
* cap10morgan_ would love it if WebGUI books were in Safari22:03
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@rizennot going to be in safari22:42
@rizenhowever, if someone writes a utility script that will parse the contents of an open office document and turn the chapters into webgui articles22:42
@rizenthen getting the content in an online format might actually come about22:43
@rizenuntil then, it will have to wait for me22:43
@rizenwhich basically means not likely22:43
+crythiasdo the chapters have regular tags?22:58
@rizeni don't know what that means22:58
@rizenall chapters start after a page break and have a consistent style associated with the header called "Heading 1"22:59
+crythiasI mean, if the chapters have significantly different tagging than simply bold22:59
+crythiasyeah.22:59
+crythiasthat sounds like something I could do.22:59
@rizeni'll commit this to you. 22:59
+crythiasI'm in ur odf, parsing ur xml22:59
@rizenwhomever comes up with a mechanism to make it easy for us to publish that content as webgui assets23:00
@rizenhas free access to that content for life23:00
+crythiasI think I'd need import structure API23:00
SDuensinDon't tease me.  :-P23:00
+crythiasbut open office should be nice, b/c it's zipped up content23:01
@rizento be useful it also has to do images, because all of our books have images that are critical to the content23:01
+crythiasso printing to PDF is out of the question, huh? :)23:02
SDuensinhehe23:02
@rizenyes23:02
@rizentoo easily pirated23:02
+crythiasbut a WebGUI package?23:02
@rizenwhen we used to do "Ruling WebGUI" as PDF we kept finding it pop up in people's sites as a free download that the whole internet had access to23:03
+crythiashee :) hardware keys :)23:03
SDuensinYou can protect PDFs, but man, those are annoying.23:03
@rizenit will take someone a lot more work to take all the content off the site, especially if it's broken into chapters23:04
@rizeneven if we password protected PDFs, you can hack it23:04
SDuensinBest "protected" PDF I've seen is the book for Drupal I bought (yea, yea - sue me).  It has my name and email address on every page.23:04
@rizenor worse yet, you can just publish your password or key to your web site23:04
@rizenthat's a pretty good idea, so at least we know who did the damage, but at that point the damage is already done23:05
+crythiasI was feeling generous, so I shared karma.23:06
SDuensinYea, but then you can go all statutory on their ass.  Like that Jammie chick who's paying $260k for 22 $0.99 songs.23:06
+crythiasyou should make it printed in blue and red so people have to use 3d glasses to read it.23:07
+crythiascome to think about it, I wonder if that isn't too far off from the future.23:08
+crythiaslens-encrypted text23:08
@rizensuing someone isn't worth it23:08
@preactionnono, we'll have 3d EYES23:08
@rizenit will cost us more to file than it is worth23:08
SDuensinWe did one of my buddy's resumes like that back when personal color printing was a fantasy.  His credentials literally leapt right off the page!  He got the job, too.  (It was for a game company - they thought it was cool.)23:08
@rizennot to mention that's just not my style23:09
+crythiasmust use polarized glasses to read the text. fun :)23:09
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xdangerwhy am I finding so many error in wre-0.8's build.sh? wrong paths, and wrong args for confgures, or wrong build scripts for perl modules?23:35
xdangerdo I have some wrong version, or something...23:35
xdangerDownloaded the one from sf.net...23:36
* SDuensin hasn't been brave enough to try 0.8 yet.23:36
* SDuensin also doesn't appear to be smart enough to use the Advertising features of WebGUI.23:37
xdangerI'm trying it on a different server... I'm trying to clean my old install, that has been around from the first 6.0 beta, or gamma...23:37
xdangerwas it 5.99 or something then, but anyways..23:37
@rizendon't know23:38
@rizenit builds cleanly on all 8 operating systems that we support23:38
@rizenand i'm told a number of oses we don't support23:39
xdangerIt's a debian etch23:39
SDuensinDOH!  Ads work if I learn to read my screen.23:39
xdangerbut for exampla the build.sh uses installPerlModule for Temlate-Plugin-Clicable-Email, when the script has Build.pl23:40
xdangerso it should use buildPerlModule function..23:40
@rizenthen report a bug23:41
@rizenit throws no errors on our builds 23:41
@rizenso it may be wrong, but it's also throwing no errors23:41
@rizenso we wouldn't know that it wasn't working23:41
@rizeni'm not even sure what that module is for23:42
xdangerI'll do that, when I get it to build and I'll take a diff of the changes...23:42
xdangerI'm building the --wdk23:42
xdangerthat does include some modules more...23:43
xdangerrizen: can I ask why you aren't supporting debian?23:43
@rizendon't build the wdk23:45
@rizenit's not ready for prime time yet23:45
@rizenonly the WRE portion is ready23:45
@rizenas for debian, we put up a poll a while back to see who wanted what OS's to be supported23:45
@rizendebian was on the list be received hardly any votes23:46
@rizenubuntu was first23:46
@rizenfreebsd was second23:46
@rizenrhel5 was third23:46
@rizenand suse was fourth23:46
@rizeni think debian tied with NetBSD23:47
@rizenoh, and fedora was before debian also23:47
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xdangerI'm building with the wdk because I want the documentation and the man pages of the stuff00:01
@rizenwell i'm telling you that the wdk won't build00:09
@rizenit hasn't been tested00:09
@rizenyou're going to have to dink around with it00:09
@rizenand it still might not work00:09
xdangerok =)00:11
xdangerI'll just comment the deletes out then...00:11
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CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r4895 /tools/makerelease.pl: 01:03
CIA-39WebGUI: fixed version tag problem01:03
CIA-39WebGUI: enabled coverage tests01:03
@apeironkhenn, You went poof on AIM.01:04
@rizenis CIA a bot?01:04
@apeiron't is.01:04
@rizenand it's purpose is to just spew out what is committed?01:06
@apeironIt may do other stuff, but that's the most visible thing. 01:07
@apeironI didn't summon it, but you can read about them at cia.vc01:08
@apeironhttp://blog.freenode.net/?p=50 for important information about getting rid of them (i.e., banning won't work, they're persistent)01:09
@rizensomeone is trigger happy01:10
@rizenone user with 100 commits in a single day01:10
@rizenthat's too many commits01:10
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@preactionor you could just ask me to get rid of it01:21
@preactionsince i'm the one who put it here01:21
@preactioni just notice that people are rarely on-the-ball on what's being committed, despite the RSS feed and otherwise. this is just one less excuse to not know what's going on01:22
@rizeni don't want you to get rid of it01:22
@rizeni just went to cia.vc and saw that someone did 100 commits01:23
@rizento some project01:23
@rizenin a single day01:23
@preactionnice01:23
xdangerhow can I reley information about the new user registration to NotifyAboutUser activity?01:35
xdangerIf I put macros like ^User; will the use the admin user, or the new user that has registered?01:35
@rizenthe user that is attached to the workflow01:36
@rizenand int he case of new user registration01:37
@rizenthat's the user that registered01:37
xdangercoolio01:38
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xootomhi all, has anything changed with the user session table in 7.4.11, it doesn't seem to clear up expired sessions any more01:54
@rizennot that i'm aware of01:59
@rizenbut i didn't contribute to the last round of bug fixes01:59
@rizenHaarg would be the one to ask if he was around, but he went home for the day01:59
xootomok thanks 02:00
@rizenreport a bug if you can't figure it out02:01
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CIA-39WebGUI: doug * r4896 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/ (85 files in 31 dirs): merged with SVN to get friends stuff04:03
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CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4897 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): 06:03
CIA-39WebGUI: Add more coverage tests for methods added to User.pm06:03
CIA-39WebGUI: for Friends.06:03
CIA-39WebGUI: Fix a bug in the isOnline method, which was looking sessions06:03
CIA-39WebGUI: exactly 600 seconds old.06:03
CIA-39WebGUI: colin * r4898 /WebGUI/t/i18n/help.t: fix a stupid typo that I put into i18n/help.t06:18
+Radix-wrkhehe06:35
* Radix-wrk likes the new CIA bot and the funny comments ppl write on checkin ;)06:35
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SDuensinGreetings.15:58
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@rizenWhy would you say such a thing?16:29
@rizenit makes the channel seem all warm and inviting16:31
@rizenthe next thing you know people might actually start to hang out here16:31
@rizenand be friendly and comfortable16:31
* SDuensin tells rizen to piss off.16:32
SDuensinBetter?16:32
@rizenmuch better =)16:32
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SDuensin:-)16:32
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SDuensinDude, I *CRANKED* out a site last night with WebGUI.  In two hours I redid what took months in Drupal.16:33
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xootomI'm just making a 'users online' panel using an sql report, bringing out users from userSession. I'm joining it to users and userProfileData and want to show the photo/avatar next to the username, with a send message to user link too. All is fine but the photo is stored as a guid, how do I translate that to the actual file? how does it find the filename from that guid, it doesn't appear to be elsewhere in the database.18:56
@rizenyou'll have to write a macro that will turn the guid into an image tag18:57
@rizenusing the guid you instanciate a WebGUI::Storage::Image object18:58
@rizenthen you can use the getFiles method and just use the first file in the list18:58
@rizenthen call the getUrl method to get the url to put in the image tag18:58
xootomis it getting that from the filesystem, i.e. in the asset's upload dir18:58
@rizenyes18:58
xootomok, many thanks18:59
@rizennp18:59
SDuensinxootom - that sounds cool.  :-)19:16
+Radix_i agree19:16
xootom:)19:17
xootomAre avatars a set size, I might have to put img width and height to make them look neat :S19:18
* SDuensin hopes xootom shares with the class.19:19
xootomyeah i'll upload the report and macro later :)19:19
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knowmadHi, I'm getting an error in my logs that I've never seen. Has anyone come across this message -- " Pass in object came back undefined for activity (pbwfactivity0000000006) using WebGUI::VersionTag, new, cYzduzhFBCu_vCUPF_UXCw."19:46
knowmadThere are 5 Commit Without Approval workflows that are in error state b/c of that19:47
CIA-39WebGUI: graham * r4899 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): event end time not tz adjusted properly19:48
CIA-39WebGUI: jt * r4900 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): rfe: Search Asset returns URLs19:48
+Radix_Woot!19:57
ckotilneat. how new is the svn bot?20:00
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knowmadthat's the first i've seen it20:07
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@rizenhmmm...lingerd sounds interesting for the wre: http://www.iagora.com/about/software/lingerd/22:45
@preactionit does indeed22:48
@preactionAMH is hiring a full-time Perl dev to work on swifty22:48
@apeironHanding over an open connection from one process to22:48
@apeironanother is done using a rather esoteric feature called "file22:48
@apeirondescriptor passing on Unix-domain sockets", and, as the name22:48
@apeironimplies, is not very portable outside of Unix systems.22:48
@apeiron(from the README.txt)22:49
@apeironHmm, the readme also mentions that you can use mod_proxy to accomplish the same goal.22:50
@rizenyes you can use modproxy to do it, and we do22:51
@rizeni'm just wondering if lingerd might be faster22:51
@rizenAMH already has a couple of full time devs doing swifty22:51
@rizen3 i believe22:51
SDuensinInteresting.22:52
knowmadbut don't you want to keep modproxy for static file handling?22:52
@rizenwe still could...im just saying that i like to exlpore22:53
SDuensinGo crazy and write your own HTTP daemon.  :-)22:53
@rizenit might even be interesting to put up pound, squid, or some other reverse proxy in front of the wre, and then keep a separate non-modproxy instance for serving static content22:54
@rizenthat's on the table too sd22:54
@rizenand is not as crazy as you might think22:54
SDuensinNo, I did it once.  :-)22:54
@rizeni blogged about it a month or so ago22:54
SDuensinFunny thing was, I used WebGUI as my test "CGI" when I was debugging it.  :-D22:54
@apeironperlbot, ws22:55
perlbotRick's tiny 34 line web server: http://home.pacbell.net/rklement/ws description is here: http://home.pacbell.net/rklement/wsdesc.html22:55
@rizenmostly reading that thing about slashdot made me feel good that i had made a lot of very good decisions in designing the wre22:57
* SDuensin thinks rick is insane.22:57
@preactionrick doesn't use IO::All, so he's not insane enough22:58
@preactionthere's a one-line HTTP daemon using IO::All22:59
SDuensinhehe22:59
@preactionnot sure if it handles CGI execution though, i think rick's does23:00
SDuensinRick's does.23:01
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ckotilis cross site sign on implemented yet?17:42
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@rizenckotil: yes has been since 7.4.019:13
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CIA-18WebGUI: graham * r4904 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/hoverhelp.css): fix grey areas on the bottom of pages20:03
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CIA-18WebGUI:  r4904 | graham | 2007-10-29 12:48:58 -0500 (Mon, 29 Oct 2007) | 2 lines20:18
CIA-18WebGUI:  fix grey areas on the bottom of pages20:18
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CIA-18WebGUI:  r4899 | graham | 2007-10-26 11:27:54 -0500 (Fri, 26 Oct 2007) | 2 lines20:48
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CIA-18WebGUI:  r4856 | graham | 2007-10-16 09:30:04 -0500 (Tue, 16 Oct 2007) | 2 lines21:33
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wgGuest67I am trying to set up a Navigation element that excludes the "Home" link Right now i have it set up for  "Specific URL"  with the start point "/home" including  descendants. But the home link still shows and i can't figure out why. Any Ideas or suggestions?21:44
+MrHairgreasewhy don't you set the homepage to hide from navigation?22:17
wgGuest67Hide from navigation is set to yes22:19
+MrHairgreasethat's just weird22:19
+MrHairgreaseit shoudl not show then22:19
wgGuest67ya :-/22:19
+MrHairgreasecheck your nav22:19
wgGuest67and its not hard coded in the template22:20
+MrHairgreasein the display tab22:20
+MrHairgreaseis the option Include hidden pages set to yes?22:20
wgGuest67let me check22:20
wgGuest67"Show hidden pages" is set to no22:21
+MrHairgreasethat's ok22:21
+MrHairgreasedoes it also show the home page in your nav when the admin mode is on?22:21
+MrHairgreasealso is the home page either in your current version tag or in no tag at all?22:22
+MrHairgreaseor is it locked?22:23
wgGuest67the homepage isn't locked22:23
wgGuest67seems to always show home no matter if i am logged in, admin is on or off22:23
+MrHairgreasehmm22:23
wgGuest67i am confused by it also22:24
+MrHairgreaseare you sure the url in the specific root is exactly the url of the page?22:24
wgGuest67the "Start Point" is "/home"22:25
wgGuest67which i thought would bring it in the home directory and not include it22:25
wgGuest67i tell it to only grab "Descendants"22:26
+MrHairgreaseand if you go to http://yoursite.com/home?func=edit the hide from nav option is still set to yes?22:26
wgGuest67correct22:26
wgGuest67swear it is.. lol22:26
wgGuest67its werid22:26
+MrHairgreasei dunno then22:26
+MrHairgreaselet me check it out22:26
+MrHairgreasebtw what version are you running22:27
wgGuest677.3.2222:27
+MrHairgreaseyou did not chcek the 'self' checkbox in the relatives form in the nav right?22:29
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wgGuest45i am going to try and recreate at the demo site22:34
+MrHairgreasewgGuest45 are you knowmad?22:35
wgGuest45i work for em22:37
+MrHairgreaseah i see22:37
+MrHairgreaseyou are the same person asking about the nav issue right?22:38
+MrHairgreasethat is, wgGuest6722:38
wgGuest45correct, they restarted the router and kicked me22:38
+MrHairgreaseah22:38
+MrHairgreaseif you can reproduce on demo.plainblack.com please let me know and paste the url to the nav22:39
wgGuest45will do. setting me up a demo now to see if i can22:39
+MrHairgreaseok22:40
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wgGuest76Hey mrhairgrease  http://demo.webgui.org/demo1193690406_735/home23:15
wgGuest76admin // admin23:15
wgGuest76Only the homepage is set up ATM23:16
+MrHairgreaseno problem23:17
wgGuest76Believe i am about to take off home, I have a forum post if you would like to post your findings there23:18
wgGuest76http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/global-nav-without-home-link#h_aJVU0KYFbn284681UgVw23:18
+MrHairgreaseit's a problem in the unordered list template23:21
+MrHairgreaseif you select vertical menu it works as is expected23:21
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knowma1Thanks MrHairgrease. Josh has left but I'll be sure to tell him.23:32
knowma1I think he and Diona were working on a custom nav template23:32
+MrHairgreaseok23:32
+MrHairgreasenp23:32
knowma1i hadn't yet considered using another nav template for testing. good idea 8-)23:33
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dj_perlHello preaction, I'm just about ready with the iPhoto plugin to server communication. Is there existing gallery code that I can start dispatching methods to?23:35
@preactiondj_perl, https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/photogallery/WebGUI <- my branch23:36
@preactionthe methods you'd be interested in probably are: Wobject::Gallery->addChild, Wobject::GalleryAlbum->addChild, File::Image::Photo->setFile23:37
+MrHairgreasepreaction is that the new photo gallery asset jt was talking about in his keynote?23:38
dj_perlAny calls to get existing albums?23:39
@preactionstandard getLineage calls23:39
@preactionaddChild is part of AssetLineage as well23:39
@preactionsetFile is a part of WebGUI::Asset::File (added for the photo gallery)23:40
dj_perlThanks. Any tips on setting up a dev environment from this build? Does it have the same install procedure as the release?23:40
@preactionbasically it should be WebGUI, except for the minor addition of docs/upgrades/installPhotoGallery.pl23:41
@preactionyou realize there isn't enough to test anything, right?23:41
dj_perlHmm. Yes. I'm wondering whether to write stubs to accept uploads tentatively.23:43
dj_perlThe alternative is to suspend development here, and wait till the underlying calls are implemented.23:44
@preactionor you could verify that the photo is added via the database, since i'm fairly sure that works23:44
dj_perlThe client does some querying on albums as part of the Gallery2 protocol.23:45
dj_perlIt'll be tricky to simulate. I should switch to the Windows/Picasa client till this is implemented.23:46
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+Radix_http://www.xkcd.com/256/11:42
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CIA-18WebGUI: jt * r4915 /wrebuild/wre/ (3 files in 3 dirs): mysql uses 2 instead of 4 characters for the search index23:33
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xootomhi all, is anyone else having problems with the data form? mine won't send emails01:05
xootomtesting on webgui.org demo site and no emails at all, are demo sites blocked on smtp?01:05
@preactiondemo sites don't get e-mail, no01:06
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roryzweistraHi bartjol,   images are assets right? So does that mean that when I develop a template in the image namespace which i.e. centers the pic on the page, visitors that click on the thumbnail of that pic will see the pic open up centered?12:38
dapperedodoIf you use the url of the image asset you will get the image itself (ie: /media/pic.gif), not the template around it. The template of the asset is used to display the asset on a container asset like a page.12:45
roryzweistraok tnx!12:48
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bartjolindeed13:25
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CIA-18WebGUI: jt * r4916 /wrebuild/ (build.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt readme.txt): fix: if syntax not correct ofr slackware and debian WRE_OSTYPE17:03
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CIA-18WebGUI: graham * r4917 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (hoverhelp.js hoverhelp.css): Proper hoverhelp grey area fix18:33
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wgGuest63Anyone here added Thumbnails to the RSS Templates for the Collaboration Systems?21:01
khenn_even if they aren't there you should be able to get it via a macro and the storage location21:02
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@rizenyou can do it21:02
@rizenseveral sites do this in order to make podcasts from collaboration systems21:02
@rizenyou don't need any custom macros ether21:03
wgGuest63I must have my template wrong because i am trying to add it21:03
@rizenit's in the default template variables21:03
wgGuest63I looked at the help but must doing it wrong21:03
wgGuest63http://webgui.pastebin.com/d9b25af821:03
wgGuest63thats the code i added21:03
wgGuest63well for the attachemnts21:03
wgGuest63I added the loop to the template21:04
wgGuest63I really just need 1 to show21:04
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CIA-18WebGUI: graham * r4918 /branch/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 21:48
CIA-18WebGUI: Merged revisions 4917 via svnmerge from21:48
CIA-18WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI21:48
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CIA-18WebGUI:  r4917 | graham | 2007-10-31 11:26:02 -0500 (Wed, 31 Oct 2007) | 2 lines21:48
CIA-18WebGUI:  Proper hoverhelp grey area fix21:48
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perlDreamerAny recommendations for a good javascript book to learn from?22:02
+MrHairgreasepd: if you find one let me know22:03
perlDreamerwill do, MrHairGrease22:03
perlDreamerI trust your flight home went well?22:03
+MrHairgreaseapart from the missing arm I'm fine =)22:04
+MrHairgreasethe movie was worse than the flight to the us though22:04
+MrHairgreasefantastic 422:04
@rizeni like these two: http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Definitive-Guide-David-Flanagan/dp/0596101996/ref=pd_sim_b_shvl_img_1/002-1310577-849446722:05
+MrHairgreasenever watch it unless you need to throw up for some reason22:05
perlDreamerI don't know, Jessica Alba.....22:05
@rizenhttp://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-HTML-Definitive-Reference-Html/dp/0596527403/ref=pd_sim_b_shvl_img_4/002-1310577-849446722:05
+MrHairgreasethe only plus in the movie22:05
@rizenthey aren't tutorial books, but they work well for me22:05
perlDreamerI have the first one, but I'm looking for something a little more pedantic to start with22:06
+MrHairgreaseIm' mostly interseted in a good source that explains how to write nice js objects22:06
perlDreamerIsn't that an oxymoron? -> nice js objects :)22:06
+MrHairgreasewell22:07
+MrHairgreasephone22:07
+MrHairgreaseok back22:10
+MrHairgreasewhat i'm lookin for is how to do js objects the the yui does it for instance22:10
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+MrHairgreasebut no book i've seen so far covers that.22:11
+MrHairgreaseusually when i do js it's just some simple stuff22:11
+MrHairgreasebut with these whizzbang buzzword 2.0 stuff22:12
+MrHairgreasethings are bound to get more complex22:12
perlDreameryeah, I can't even do the simple stuff yet.22:12
+MrHairgreaseand thus some structure and (gasp) reusability wishful22:12
+MrHairgreasepd22:12
+MrHairgreasecheck out the yui examples22:13
+MrHairgreasethey are quite simple22:13
+MrHairgreasesome at least22:13
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+MrHairgreaseperldreamer22:14
+MrHairgreasecheck out the yahoo dev videos22:14
+MrHairgreasehttp://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/22:14
+MrHairgreaseespecially Douglas Crockford -- "The JavaScript Programming Language"22:14
+MrHairgreaseand22:14
@khennunfortunately the best way to learn JavaScript is to write it22:15
@khennIMO22:15
+MrHairgreaseDouglas Crockford -- "Advanced JavaScript"22:15
@khennI haven't found a good book22:15
+MrHairgreasenever saw those videos22:15
+MrHairgreasebut they might be good22:15
perlDreamerwill do, MrHairGrease22:15
perlDreamergotta go, might be back later today.22:16
+MrHairgreaseok22:16
+MrHairgreaselater22:16
perlDreamerstupid corporate rules...22:16
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CIA-18WebGUI: colin * r4919 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm lib/WebGUI/User.pm t/User.t): 23:18
CIA-18WebGUI: Fixed broken friends method caching. The cache was never populated, so it23:18
CIA-18WebGUI: would fail every time.23:18
CIA-18WebGUI: Added a missing DESTROY method to Group.pm. That way it won't puke when trying23:18
CIA-18WebGUI: to call an undefined method when the User object is cleaned up.23:18
CIA-18WebGUI: Added coverage tests for friends method in User.pm23:18
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CIA-18WebGUI: colin * r4920 /WebGUI/t/User.t: final coverage tests to bring User.pm up to 100%23:33
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