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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5217 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add tests for getTitle and getMenuTitle | 05:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5218 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: tests for getToolbarState, toggleToolbar and getUiLevel | 06:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r5219 /branch/doug-experimental/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Report.pm i18n/English/Asset_Report.pm): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hello? | 20:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Everyone still hung over? | 20:23 |
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| BartJol | well happy new year everybody | 21:39 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5220 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add the failing test for assetAddPrivileges back in, but don't run it. | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add tests for assetUiLevel and getUiLevel. | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5221 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Coverage tests for assetExists. | 23:48 |
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| dannymk | cap10morgan, please contact me when you get a chance. I would like to add your patch to my module, however I have a few questions. | 00:12 |
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| dannymk | Hi preaction | 01:18 |
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| dannymk | happy new year. | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 01:18 |
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| dannymk | I am in the process of adding Authentication 2.0 to the OpenId module | 01:19 |
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| @preaction | nice | 01:20 |
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| dannymk | as you requested. However, the rest will have to wait. Just started a new Perl training job that is taking up a lot of my time. | 01:21 |
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| dannymk | Have you seen cap10morgan on this channel in the last month? | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | no problem, i've finally got time and my own branch to start experimenting with, but i've got some productivity things to do first (since everything I do would be so much easier if I didn't copy/paste it every single time, and instead subclassed it) | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | yes, once in a while | 01:22 |
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| dannymk | I need to talk to him about his patch. Where can I find his email? | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | is his profile private? | 01:26 |
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| dannymk | yes | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | you might want to just reply to the thread, he'll get an e-mail if he's subscribed to it | 01:29 |
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| dannymk | Done! | 01:29 |
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| dannymk | I also would like to work on the WChat object. Since I have been away a while I expect someone else took on the module. | 01:30 |
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| dannymk | has it been worked on? | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | nope, we've been busy on other things | 01:30 |
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| dannymk | Darn, I need to work on that too. | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | I've got a little ajax-enabled Shoutbox asset though, if you want the code for that | 01:31 |
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| dannymk | Really would love to have that Chat WObject | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | i made it as part of the WUC last october | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | you still haven't gotten it? we tried about 10 different ways | 01:31 |
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| dannymk | yes, I have it now. Just have not worked on the code | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | ah | 01:32 |
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| dannymk | would like it to be done! :-P | 01:32 |
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| dannymk | Guess, I have to work on it. | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | it'd be nice, to be sure | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | but imho there are more important things. the chat wobject is a flashy eye-candy thing, i've got internal mechanical things that i need to work on to make webgui better | 01:33 |
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| @preaction | that isn't to say that the chat wobject won't bring more people into webgui than my work | 01:33 |
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| dannymk | you guys have your hands full and that is why I help when I can. | 01:35 |
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| dannymk | I appreciate the software. It is clean, simple and somewhat well documented. | 01:35 |
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| dannymk | :-) | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | have you seen the new URL / Content handlers, they're insanely awesome | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | the new developments in 7.5 (HEAD) are going to kick even more ass than 7.4 did | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | perlbot crud | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | perlbot learn crud as Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete -- the four corners of a proper database management tool | 01:38 |
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| perlbot | added crud to the database | 01:38 |
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| dannymk | Not yet, very immersed in this new project I have in my new job | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | understandable, new jobs are always fun | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | I hate sysadmin/developer work but I hae to make a living :-) | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | hae=have | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | why do you hate sysadmin/developer work? what would you rather be doing? | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | that is why I don't login during the day any longer | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | I just rather be just a developer | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | ah | 01:48 |
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| dannymk | in these jobs I have to be a jack of all trades. Sysadmin, DBA, Developer, Designer, etc... | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | eh, i'm a generalist. i learned how to be a developer, and now that i've got a very decent job doing that, i'm teaching myself how to sysadmin / netadmin / network, etc.. | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | i like knowing as much as possible about everything | 01:48 |
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| dannymk | I have been doing it almost 20 years and my mind can't take all the junk :-( | 01:49 |
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| dannymk | just too much to learn | 01:49 |
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| dannymk | don't mind working on stuff a bit but when it becomes part of my job then it becomes a problem | 01:50 |
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| dannymk | that is why I left my last job after 18 years | 01:50 |
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| dannymk | was tired of carrying the DBA | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | another middle manager trying to cut corners by making you work three jobs? | 01:51 |
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| dannymk | NO, we had a sysadmin which I had to train then we had an older guy that really did not understand Oracle working as an Oracle DBA | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | much fun | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | as they say, everyone gets promoted just to their level of incompetence | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | i feel that some people are better at faking competence than others | 01:55 |
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| dannymk | Peter principle all the way, but that is the motto of the federal govt. | 01:56 |
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| dannymk | oops, did I say that :-) | 01:56 |
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| @preaction | surprisingly we've got a few gov't clients, and they're very helpful when it comes to testing / exercising the code we write for them | 01:57 |
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| dannymk | Ah, not every office is like that | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | i mean, we've probably doubled the size of WebGUI with one of our projects, and there remain little-to-no bugs in their code since they're so thorough in tracking them down | 01:58 |
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| dannymk | Good to know. | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | but, it just means they've got competent people. that and their entire department lives and breathes their website | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | which is another testament to the stability and usefulness of WebGUI ;) | 02:00 |
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| dannymk | well, that may be a well designed office. Can't say the same for the place I worked. | 02:00 |
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| dannymk | yup. | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | it's almost as if the bigger an office gets, the more people rubbing shoulders and bumping elbows, the more BS gets floated around, the more market-speak team-building d'ya-have-a-second-to-help-this-guy-every-day-for-his-entire-career, and in a creative business like software development, the best people can't thrive | 02:02 |
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| dannymk | ah, you have experience in this area :-) | 02:10 |
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| dannymk | LOL. Well, I hope the new year brings us better circumstances. Take care and again, Happy New Year.... | 02:11 |
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| dannymk | later... | 02:12 |
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| ascii | how ya like dstat | 03:59 |
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| ascii | erp | 04:00 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5222 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 04:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Cover several other small utility routines. More getNotFound | 04:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: tests need to be written. | 04:48 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:47 |
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| BartJol | hi | 15:50 |
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| AMH_bob | HAPPY NEWYEAR!!!! | 15:52 |
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| BartJol | dito | 15:52 |
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| Radix__ | Yeah, a belated Happy New Year from me too guys :) | 15:53 |
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| SDuensin | Blah. New Year means I had to go back to work. :-P | 16:12 |
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| Radix__ | I'm off until monday | 16:26 |
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| Radix__ | but I wish I was back at work | 16:27 |
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| Radix__ | 40'C tomorrow, no aircon at home, and power shortages to boot | 16:27 |
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| Radix__ | tempted to go in tomorrow and take monday off in lieu ;) | 16:29 |
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| Radix__ | Oh no.. maybe not.. monday is forecast for 40'C too | 16:30 |
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| BartJol | Australian whether isn't much fun, I understand | 16:30 |
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| BartJol | wheather | 16:30 |
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| Radix__ | Actually for most of the year it's great | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | just summer sucks | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | you get days where it's 40-45'C | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | last week we had a temp of 45.5'c | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | highest on record for december since 1963 | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | jan/feb always sucks for temps | 16:32 |
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| Radix__ | http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW12300.txt | 16:32 |
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| BartJol | here it's about 1 C | 16:32 |
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| Radix__ | yah, well our temp doesn't really go that low generally.. or very rarely ;) | 16:32 |
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| nuba | summer here in Rio sucks a bit too | 16:37 |
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| nuba | too hot sometimes | 16:37 |
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| nuba | thanks god for A/C | 16:38 |
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| @khenn | happy new year =) | 17:55 |
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| teflond0n | anyone here have any luck importing users into a database for webgui? | 18:23 |
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| teflond0n | still havent had any luck with the userImport.pl | 18:23 |
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| Radix__ | I had no problems at all with userImport.pl | 18:24 |
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| Radix__ | What's happening exactly? are you getting errors? | 18:25 |
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| teflond0n | its saying DateTime isnt defined.... for some reason the perl mods arent wanting to cooperate | 18:25 |
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| teflond0n | is there another way to just have it import a csv file or something | 18:30 |
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| @rizen | you need to set a TZ environment variable | 18:30 |
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| @rizen | like TZ=America/Chicago | 18:31 |
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| Radix__ | tzselect should help with that | 18:36 |
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| Radix__ | or tzconfig | 18:36 |
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| Radix__ | you're going to have other issues later on if you don't sort out the DateTime issue now anyway | 18:37 |
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| nuba | spectre would fail for me with 'Cannot determine local time zone' | 18:38 |
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| nuba | until I did a "cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo /etc/localtime" | 18:38 |
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| nuba | do your /etc/localtime file exists? | 18:39 |
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| Radix__ | actually /etc/localtime should be a symlink - and the correct way to configure it is to use tzselect or tzconfig | 18:50 |
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| nuba | makes sense | 18:53 |
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| nuba | cp worked fine for me tho ;) | 18:54 |
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| nuba | hey, freebsd's tzsetup prefers "cp" too, just tested and it makes a copy, not a symlink | 18:56 |
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| Radix__ | it'll work.. just not as nice as a symlink ;) | 18:57 |
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| Radix__ | ubuntu/debian/centos all create symlinks | 18:57 |
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| nuba | maybe it's a "Junior" sindrome, these linux kids, always choosing to do different than their daddy (freebsd) ;D | 18:58 |
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| Radix__ | pfft | 18:59 |
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| teflond0n | i do see the etc/localtime file | 19:24 |
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| teflond0n | but I am running it on Mac osx | 19:25 |
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| teflond0n | not sure if that will cause any issues with it | 19:25 |
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| teflond0n | hey nuba since I live near the Atlanta, GA area would should it be /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York ? | 19:38 |
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| Radix__ | if it's in the same timezone as you, then yeah, that'd work | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | ... and WebGUI slowly wakes up from its week-long slumber | 19:44 |
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| nuba | 'morning, webgui! | 19:46 |
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| teflond0n | anyone know what the equivalent would be in osx for the tzconfig or tzsetup | 19:56 |
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| perlDreamer | sorry, I don't use osx | 19:56 |
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| @rizen | you shouldn't need it on osx | 19:59 |
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| nuba | i think you can find that under "system preferences" | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | osx sets it automatically when you edit your clock | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you're not using the right perl | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | did you do | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | note the dot and the space that come before the command | 20:00 |
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| teflond0n | i did the command from that directory so it was ./data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:02 |
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| teflond0n | no spaces | 20:02 |
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| teflond0n | would it be bad to comment that out in the userImport where it asks for the DateTime | 20:15 |
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| teflond0n | er possible | 20:17 |
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| teflond0n | rizen any more suggestions | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | that's bad | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | and you need the space | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | it's absolutely important | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | that's almost certainly where your problem is at this point | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | and if it's not, i'd recommend you get plain black support | 20:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Making the YUI widgets look good is killing me. | 20:30 |
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| @khenn | which ones? | 20:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'm not that great at layout/design. Is there a way to make regular html inputs look sexy, because the YUI widgets are too hard to manipulate given they are buried in like 3 objects when created with JS. | 20:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | khenn: Menu and buttons. | 20:30 |
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| @khenn | the newest yui menu is all CSS based | 20:31 |
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| @khenn | never played with the buttons | 20:31 |
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| @khenn | but we've made some pretty cool looking drop down menus | 20:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | khenn: When selecting a question type in the menu, I dynamically generate options for that question type. The divs grows and shrinks and I have to do a bunch of crazy stuff to make them look like I want. | 20:32 |
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| @khenn | hmm, I guess I'm not following. You lost me with "question type" | 20:33 |
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| @rizen | he's working on the survey | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | it's a new ajax style interface for the survey | 20:34 |
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| @khenn | ah | 20:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If they had a menu option that was multiple select, I'd just use that. | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | pm2, i'm not a good one to ask. both khenn and preaction have played with yui a lot more than me | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | i just use it for adding functionality to form controls | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | There button objects, while prettier than radio buttons, are still large and clunky. | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | s/there/their/ | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I could use css to make them pretty, but that isn't what I do :) | 20:35 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I think maxscience/iPhoneGuy had a 3rd alias that was also mac related | 20:35 |
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| @khenn | css is how to make stuff in yui pretty though | 20:36 |
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| @khenn | so you will definitely find it difficult to do w/o it | 20:36 |
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| @rizen | perlmonkey2 if you make it work and then give me some sort of documentation on one css classes and ids you've exposed | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | i can have our designer come up with the pretty css for you | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | or rather, i'll just introduce you to our designer when he comes back from vacation | 20:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: that would be great. | 20:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I guess that means I can stop futzing with the layout and just throw it on the page and worry about functionality. | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | yup | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | what's your email address, i'll send an introductory email to steve | 20:39 |
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| teflond0n | can anyone let me know where the sql database is that contains the list of users ? | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | it called "users" | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | and the groups one is called "groups" | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | what about settings? | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | hmmmm | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | I think it's called settings | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | i dont get it. | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | and the one for assets is called asset | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | who came up with that scheme? | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | some guy named JT | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | he's too smart. | 20:51 |
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| @rizen | he's an idiot | 20:51 |
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| @rizen | you give him too much credit | 20:51 |
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| perlDreamer | what? you mean he didn't come up with that schema? | 20:51 |
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| ckotil | coworker of mine installed the new wre on RH5. | 20:51 |
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| ckotil | he said it the installation was a breeze. | 20:52 |
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| ckotil | and it was really easy to setup 3 sites. | 20:52 |
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| ckotil | he rarely touches webgui, but since i talk about it all the time he decided to try it out. | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | nice | 20:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I set of the WRE on cent5.1 a few weeks ago and it was extremely nice. | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | you guys have no idea how glad it makes me to hear that | 20:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I wanted to throw out an idea and see what people thought. Since disk is becoming really cheap, but CPU/Ram is still expensive as far as hosting is concerned. What about a Wobject that would allow files to be remotely hosted, but WebGUI would treat them like local files? Maybe build in DAV support, or something like it? | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | it means that the 400+ hours that I put into WRE 0.8 was worth it | 20:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Yeah, I would never use anything but the WRE for production now. | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | pm2: re your idea, i'd need further description to understand what you'd want and why before i could make a judgement | 20:57 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Like the file pile but would store the files on a remote file server. | 20:57 |
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| @rizen | why would that be good? | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | that would actually increase the use of the CPU and memory because then all those files would have to be served through mod_perl so it could request them from the dav server | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | that is unless the dav server also had a straight http url for the file and you were willing to expose that url directly to your users | 21:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I was actually thinking that WebGUI would do a one time authen for the users ip, and the remote file server would directly serve to them that once. | 21:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | This may be a solution that doesn't really fit any given problem though. | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | hrmm.. i guess off the top of my head i can't see anyone actually using that so it's not something i'd allow in the core | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | i do want to go the other way around however | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | i want to create a dav interface into webgui | 21:02 |
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| nuba | i've been toying about the idea of sending static content somewhere else, too | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | so you can use webgui as a file store | 21:02 |
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| nuba | keeping only the webgui brains running in my dedicated box, | 21:02 |
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| nuba | and push uploads etc to a cheap hosting elsewhere | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | nuba, you can already do that | 21:02 |
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| nuba | you can do that with modproxy and rewrites, yeah | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | you can just push all the static uploads to a file server using a remote mount | 21:02 |
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| nuba | but how about sync etc? | 21:02 |
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| nuba | suppose there's no remote mounting | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | and then change your uploads folder to point to http://files.example.com/uploads/ | 21:03 |
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| nuba | you won't see that in the feature list of these mega-cheap hosting plans | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | you also won't see WebGUI there, nuba | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | unfortunately | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | you can use ftp as a remote mount | 21:03 |
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| nuba | yeah, thats why i dont even think about pushing webgui there | 21:03 |
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| nuba | just the uploads etc | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | you can also use FUSE scpfs | 21:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | those mega cheap hosters allow ftp | 21:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I've found that those mega cheap hosters are also extremely slow. They brag about 1 million TB connections to the net, but the reality is like 128kb | 21:04 |
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| nuba | yeah, then theres the latency between uploading the file to the webgui host and it being pushed to the cheapass server | 21:04 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: tonight could you please turn on the -v switch to testCodebase so I can diagnose the failing DeleteExpiringWorkflows test? | 21:06 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, doesn't have to be tonight. Any night would be good. | 21:06 |
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| nuba | to be honest, i didnt stop to think thoroughly about this yet, of coupling webgui dox + cheapass server | 21:10 |
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| nuba | for now a single dedicated box is good enough for me | 21:11 |
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| nuba | a seducing "next step" lately has been checking the amazon's EC2 thing | 21:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I looked at that as a smoke testing platform | 21:13 |
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| perlDreamer | Seemed expensive for a volunteer budget | 21:13 |
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| nuba | instead of ugly hacking and glueing of scattered hosting services here and there | 21:13 |
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| nuba | rizen: wont PB.com be interested in funding the smoke test box? | 21:16 |
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| perlDreamer | they run a smoke test now | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | but I was thinking bigger. Multiple OS'es, multiple WRE's | 21:18 |
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| nuba | i see. like a testing farm. | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | it's been really hard to get other people into testing wG | 21:18 |
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| nuba | what are the requirements if one wants to help? | 21:21 |
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| perlDreamer | there are two main testing needs | 21:22 |
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| perlDreamer | 1) We need lots more tests to be written | 21:22 |
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| perlDreamer | and that can be done piecemeal | 21:23 |
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| perlDreamer | 2) I think we need a testing aggregator to take smoke reports from lots of users and coallate them | 21:23 |
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| perlDreamer | but we don't have the lots of users part yet so it's a lower priority | 21:23 |
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| @rizen | pd: just turned on the -v flag, please let me know when we can turn it off again | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | okay. Tomorrow should be good to turn off. It will just make a BIG smoke report tonight | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | hm. Maybe I should add in diagnostics so we can truly do it in one shot... | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | I think a test may be leaking Session information, which is why the test DeleteExpiredSession test is failing | 21:25 |
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| @rizen | pd, i have a spare box running vmware that i use for compiling and testing the wre on multiple platforms (everything except mac and windows) | 21:25 |
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| @rizen | however, the problem with using that is when it comes time to build a new WRE, i'll have to resetup all the tests again | 21:26 |
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| @rizen | that's more work for me | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 21:26 |
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| @rizen | and i'm already a big bottlekneck | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | it would be good if it was scriptable | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | the host would instanciate the virtual sessions, run a test on them, submit the smoke report for each | 21:27 |
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| perlDreamer | but I don't know if that is possible on VMware or not | 21:27 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, it would be good to get more people in the community involved if possible | 21:27 |
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| nuba | vmware has a perl api | 21:27 |
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| nuba | so you could switch machines on, off, etc with a script if you want | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | all the vmware hosts are up all the time | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | so we don't need to turn them on or off | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | it's a beefy box | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | dual proc xeon with 4gigs of ram | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | so it can actually run about 6 os'es at the same time reliably | 21:28 |
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| nuba | nice | 21:29 |
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| @rizen | pd, i could give you access to the box if you would like to set it up as a test system for multiple platforms | 21:29 |
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| nuba | sounds like you're proud of you muscle car^H^H^Hserver ;) | 21:29 |
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| perlDreamer | sounds like I need start researching aggregators then :) | 21:30 |
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| nuba | webgui@home | 21:30 |
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| perlDreamer | smolder | 21:30 |
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| @rizen | we could have them all post to the smoke tests forum | 21:30 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but aggregators can also generate reports with the data, like "This test started failing on this platform at that SVN rev" | 21:31 |
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| perlDreamer | but while the research gets done, it wouldn't hurt to post them | 21:31 |
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| @rizen | ah | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | that's very cool | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | i didn't know such a thing was even possible | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | you rock pd | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | btw, hop on IM and i'll give you the login info for that box | 21:33 |
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| nuba | rizem, why is it a good idea for spectre to handle tasks to a mod_perl enabled httpd instead of launching a WebGUI::Session-enabled, lean, script? | 21:38 |
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| nuba | rizen* | 21:38 |
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| @rizen | for lots of reasons | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | 1) spectre is single threaded | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | so if something crashes | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | it would crash spectre | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | by keeping spectre small and clean, less chance of crash | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | 2) the mod_perl processes are already running so why not use them instead of loading all that code into ram yet again | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | 3) you can load balance workflows by adding more webgui nodes | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | and thusly the workflow engine can grow with your web site | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | is that good enough? | 21:40 |
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| nuba | you could work around 1 with 'perl spectre_worker_instance.pl "do stuff"' with return code | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | i could, and i did in the early versions of it | 21:41 |
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| @rizen | but 2 and 3 made me realize that was dumb | 21:41 |
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| nuba | ok, thanks for the reply | 21:42 |
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| nuba | another thing: i was editing some branches having many posts (about 3k total), and when clicking on 'save' the mod_proxy httpd would timeout while waiting for the mod_perl httpd's reply to the post. I didnt check the code but I risk guessing a branch edit means finding every descendant asset and creating a revision, creating the workflow instances, etc, all in a single request, is that right? | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 21:50 |
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| nuba | and then, these timeouts became such a pita, and the toones of workflows became such a pita, that i deleted the entire site, and migrated again from scratch, this time adjusting all I wanted while creating the asset, to avoid "branch edits" | 21:53 |
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| nuba | but basically, the idea is that "branch edit" dont seem to be scaling the way it works now | 21:57 |
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| @rizen | they don't scale well right now | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | it's on my todo list to fix eventualy | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | they work fine if you have less than 100 children | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | but if you have more than 1000 children they are a concern | 21:58 |
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| nuba | k | 22:00 |
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| nuba | i wonder if slicing the work with a recursive approach would be better, doing stuff like 1) edit me, 2) queue the task of editing for my children. | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | it needs to be fixed in one of two ways | 22:03 |
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| nuba | just my $0.02 | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | either generate a workflow that will make all the edits to children | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | or change the screen to stream informtation back to the browser | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | as it makes changes | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | so that it doesn't time out | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | and the user gets immediate feedback | 22:04 |
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| nuba | yup | 22:04 |
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| nuba | i had more questions but can wait 'till hes not afkb anymore ;) | 22:23 |
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| nuba | spanishinquisiti: nobody expected you here | 22:24 |
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| nuba | NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! | 22:25 |
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| spanishinquisiti | si` | 22:25 |
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| nuba | well i'll paste the questions here, so rizen can asnwer later if he wants, or not at all.. | 22:26 |
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| nuba | 1) is WebGU::Session memory-hungry or its just me? While importing the 3k posts (photo gallery, each post w/ at least one pic), i had to do it in chunks (of about a hundred posts each), otherwise the import script would grow to eat all available memory and then die. | 22:29 |
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| nuba | thats all for now :) | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | WebGUI::Session is huge, yes. but it has everything inside of it | 22:41 |
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| @preaction | there are things though, that might be able to be taken out when developing/running utility scripts, such as the query log, if it's possible | 22:41 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: have you ever tinkered with Test::Builder? | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | not as such, no | 22:56 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix the problem with TODO tests with wg::Test::Maker::* and haven't had any luck | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | do we assume that anyone running SVN HEAD does a resetdev after every svn update? (or at least, if things break spectacularly)? | 23:02 |
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| perlDreamer | if things break spectacularly, resetdev is the first thing I do | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | or should we start instituting a plan to make running HEAD more managable, if/when the new upgrade system is implemented | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | oh, dur, new upgrade system negates the need for it | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | what's the new upgrade system? | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | when it gets implemented: it's basically a way for each commit to SVN to be a "release" | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | releases are based on patches, which may or may not have associated collateral / executables | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | of course, there's a -stable and -unstable branch, etc... full-featured, etc... | 23:05 |
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| perlDreamer | rizenisafk: amazon is getting into the self-publishing biz. I don't know how their rates compare to Lulu | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | That should help locate the extra session leaker. | 23:17 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5223 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: add more diagnostics to help find the leaking session. These will be removed or hidden behind conditionals later | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | it's possible to test the operation of a utility script, correct? | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | i suppose the better question is should I? if it's being added to core | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | I would, but I'm prejudiced that way | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I think new "Perl" way to do script testing is to wrap the guts in a module | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | and both the script and test exercise the guts | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | kind of MVC for scripts | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | it's for migrating different types of content into a Gallery, i don't like the idea of putting "addAlbumFromCollaborationThread" in the Gallery, though the idea does have merit | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | it's just the modular way seems messy and the monolithic way seems messy | 23:44 |
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| perlDreamer | or make a Gallery::Utility module? | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | ah, true | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | that sounds good, i'll do that | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | then i can also add the addAlbumFromFilesystem and i think there was another script that they wanted | 23:45 |
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| perlDreamer | cool! | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | you're right about the messiness. | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | Either it's all monolithic and you have to drive it with system calls | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | or you pull it into two pieces | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | which both need documentation, etc | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | it'll be good writing the Gallery::Utility framework though, and provide a way for people to make their own migration things | 23:52 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Jan 03 2008 |
| perlDreamer | So hopefully by tomorrow I'll have the failing DeleteExpiredSessions test diagnosed | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | and that will just leave us with the TODO'ed and SKIP'ed Gallery* tests | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | the eternally failing i18n label tests | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | and the help.t test which is failing on empty Gallery* keys | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | the failing i18n/help tests are false keys | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i'll be working on all that for the next week or two, so no need to worry about those | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | some of the i18n are false keys, the rest are from WebGUI::Setup and nested scope with i18n calls | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | (admittedly, in addition to new dev) | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | but there is one i'm still wondering about: one test in the gallery still fails | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | Test::Deep says "expected 6, recieved 6" | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | so afaik it should pass | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, yes and no. | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | That's actually a false warning | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | I worked on that a little yesterday | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | Check the commit log and that test for more info | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | k | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | The "real" problem is that asset sizes are wrong between the two methods of fetching the file_loop | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | oh, ew | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, one says 311 bytes, the other says 313 | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | only two bytes different | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | very strange | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | so we leave it for now? | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | i mean, hiding it behind TODO or SKIP seems wron | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | g | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | I TODO'ed it for now, so that when it gets fixed it will "Unexpectedly pass" | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | sounds good | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | vayde: can you take this guy? http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html | 00:25 |
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| vayde | sure. want me to rip his lungs out? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Nah. He's only ranting at ruby people. | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, if you break his toes one by one it's better | 00:26 |
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| vayde | dunno if I have the patience for that. I tend to prefer one good hard cross to the throat | 00:27 |
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| @preaction | this post, from the first few paragraphs, sounds like pure win | 00:27 |
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| vayde | though as I glance down this page, I feel the urge to do a similar page for the morons who originally wrote the code I'm hacking these days | 00:28 |
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| vayde | doStuff(\%$ref); | 00:28 |
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| vayde | long time no chat preaction, how's things? | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | That might actually be useful, as I think it creates a "safe" ref back to $ref that doesn't allow stomping on it. | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | but it could be written more clearly | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | doStuff sounds like fun | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | things going about as normal, much new ideas but no time to implement them | 00:29 |
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| vayde | yeah, it *could* be useful like that perlDreamer, but they thought they had the original $ref to wrik with | 00:29 |
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| vayde | sweet. Just before christmas I finished rewriting this one site's code a 3rd time cos the morons supporting it don't think that changing a site I'm migrating will affect the schedule | 00:30 |
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| vayde | even the project managers are starting to talk about buying me a ticket to go 'talk' to the bozos | 00:31 |
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| nuba | heh | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | lol | 00:32 |
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| nuba | >Their ideas were horrendously lame. I swear if someone says they.re starting a social network I.m gonna beat them with the heel of my shoe. | 00:33 |
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| nuba | poor guy | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: You beastie. Hack on! | 00:33 |
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| vayde | jeez this guy's got a head of steam going. where did you find this? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | slashdot | 00:39 |
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| vayde | hmm, musta missed it this morning. Bank woulda filtered it out anyway | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | it just popped up within the last hour or so | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | you woulda seen it tomorrow | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | the argument on ThoughtWorks and the Consulting thing is spot-on | 00:42 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: graham * r5225 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 5224 via svnmerge from | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.4 | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: r5224 | graham | 2008-01-02 16:18:53 -0600 (Wed, 02 Jan 2008) | 1 line | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: fix: Assets with no committed versions may be left as orphans when parent is purged | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5226 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add fine-grained export controls. You can now specify whether you want specific | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: assets to be exportable. If any of an asset's parents aren't exportable, that | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: asset also won't be exportable. | 00:48 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: with a default of 0, won't that disable exporting for the whole site when the user upgrades? | 00:51 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, hm. | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | or am I reading the sense of the bit backwards? | 00:52 |
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| @apeiron | No, you've got it right. | 00:52 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, But on the other hand, if it defaults to 1, those who *don't* want to export the entire site when they upgrade have to change a lot of assets. | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | Exactly, but currently wG allows exporting the entire site. At the very least I think it would need something in the gotchas.txt file for the release. | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | and, they'd only need to change the website root (defaultAsset), since it checks all parents | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | so, if the default is 1, then you set any "node" to 0 to disable all of its children from exporting | 00:57 |
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| @apeiron | Good point, sir. | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i'm with colin: every upgrade must maintain the status quo. if they want change, they can do the work | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | is there an edit branch entry for the exportable property? | 01:01 |
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| @apeiron | Not yet anyway. | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: I'm in violent agreement with you preaction, with the caveat "maintain the status quo whenever possible". | 01:04 |
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| perlDreamer | In any case, I think this is a cool feature to add to wG | 01:04 |
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| @apeiron | Violent agreement? | 01:04 |
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| @apeiron | You're taking up arms? :) | 01:04 |
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| perlDreamer | You ever watch an arguement where two people totally agree with one another but disagree on semantics? | 01:05 |
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| perlDreamer | "violent agreement" | 01:05 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5227 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl): Maintain status quo and keep the default of exporting all assets. | 01:18 |
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| @rizen | nuba: WebGUI::Session is not memory hungry that I know of. Are you sure it wasn't just your script? Could you provide me with your script so I could use it as a test case? | 02:23 |
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| @rizen | preaction: yes we assume that svn update means reset dev in a lot of cases | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | perldreamer, do you have a link to the amazon self publish? | 02:25 |
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| perlDreamer | re amazon: AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_hi_te/business_of_life;_ylt=AhD5AwPjqeEzMAkaVBdrWqMDW7oF | 02:28 |
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| perlDreamer | amazon in particular: createspace.com | 02:28 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5228 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: reorder upgrade steps so that addIsExportable happens before we try to update the templates | 02:33 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5229 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: update plan and invert test for new default for isExportable | 02:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:56 |
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| BartJo1 | yeah, just made my first sql report with template and it works! | 17:57 |
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| perlDreamer | Now, that's what I call a test log! | 19:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Setting visibility to hidden in a div should make all the children of that dom be inivisible. That is unless you are using YUI which will laugh at your css and make you cry. | 19:27 |
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| nuba | heh | 19:28 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Even doing this after all the YUI objects have been created does nothing: var temp = document.getElementById("editanswer"); | 19:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | 146 temp.setattribute("visibility","hidden"); | 19:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I need a stick to beat YUI with. | 19:29 |
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| * nuba handles perlmonkey2 a large trout | 19:30 |
| * perlmonkey2 wraps it in tinfoil and butter and places it over a camp fire. | 19:31 |
| nuba | very good, indeed its better to tell horror stories at night about YUI than resorting to violence :) | 19:32 |
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| nuba | YUI the CSS eater | 19:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I can't be too mad at it, I have some groovy drag and drop boxes with some totally cool menus that change dynammically depending on what you click. Looks slick. | 19:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | My JS-foo was rusty. setattribute is not synonymous with .style. | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 19:50 |
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| @rizen | pong | 19:50 |
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| perlDreamer | does each child apache process end up with a session? | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | no | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | each page request ends up with a session | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | and the session is destroyed at the end of the request | 19:51 |
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| perlDreamer | how 'bout each spectre runner? | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | when i say destroyed i mean closed by the way, not deleted | 19:51 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | spectre does the same thing because as far as webgui is concerned it's just another web browser | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | and spectre keeps track of the session id cookie just like a browser, so it reuses the cookie for subsequent requests | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | must get lunch now, be back in 10 min | 19:53 |
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| perlDreamer | it's okay, you can have 30 | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | back | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | i can eat lunch whilst answering your questions | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | mmmmmm. leftover meatloaf sandwiches | 20:01 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, instead of digging, let me tell you what I see from the big test log of 2008 | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | The tests start with 3 pre-existing sessions. | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | Sessions also seem to be added and deleted, regardless of whether or not the test creates and cleans them up | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | so I was trying to figure out where they might come from | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | here's the summary of the session info: | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m61f41342 | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | so that's the mystery | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | the good news is that it has little, if anything to do with the DeleteExpiredSessions test failing | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | is that session objects or session ids? | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | session ids | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | select sessionId from userSession | 20:14 |
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| @rizen | all the tests get the session from WebGUI::Test->getSession though don't they? | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | yes and no | 20:14 |
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| @rizen | so if there's a problem wouldn't it be there? | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | they all get their main session from getSession | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | but some of them create auxiliary sessions for testing using Session->opn | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | open | 20:15 |
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| * perlDreamer digs a little | 20:16 |
| @rizen | there shouldn't be many of those though, so it should be easy to locate and clean up problematic ones, right? | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but the first test run does not create 3 additional sessions | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | they were there before | 20:17 |
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| perlDreamer | the test started | 20:17 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5230 /tools/makerelease.pl: added verbose option and turned on <pre> blocks in message board formatting | 20:18 |
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| perlDreamer | to me it looks like something else aside from the test is using the database | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | well the build script uses the database | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | to construct the create.sql | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | the tests actually run as part of the nightly build process | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | which has to generate a create.sql script | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | that means it also runs the upgrade script | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | it does that before the test process starts running | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | that would explain it | 20:32 |
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| perlDreamer | I did find a test that is leaking sessions | 20:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Session/Scratch.t | 20:32 |
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| nuba | rizen: do we stick with the Locator name for the map asset? | 20:44 |
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| nuba | maybe Map instead? | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | don't care | 20:45 |
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| nuba | k | 20:45 |
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| nuba | just so you know, im back working on it since yesterday | 20:45 |
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| @rizen | nice | 20:46 |
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| nuba | ive cleaned up my notes, and now I happen to know webgui's api better, so im rebooting the project and reusing some of the stuff i wrote hastly in aug/07 | 20:47 |
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| nuba | what do you recommend, check out the head or work on 7.4.19-stable? | 20:47 |
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| perlDreamer | usually, all new dev is supposed to happen on HEAD | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5231 /WebGUI/t/ (Session/Scratch.t Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t): | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Clean up all temporary session info in Session/Scratch.t | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a preliminary run of DeleteExpiredSessions to DeleteExpiredSessions.t | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: to clean up any old, funky sessions which might just be lying around | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: and interfering with the test. | 20:48 |
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| @rizen | check out head | 20:48 |
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| @rizen | feel free to branch head for your own work if need be like preaction did for the calendar | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | that way you can continuously commit | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | and not lose any work if your computer dies | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | then you can merge back to head when you're done | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: please pull the -v switch from the nightly smoke test run. That test should pass now. | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | ok | 21:31 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5232 /tools/makerelease.pl: don't need the -v anymore | 21:33 |
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| nuba | checking out HEAD to my SVK mirror.. | 22:54 |
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| nuba | will branch from there | 22:54 |
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| nuba | actually, head, body, limbs, etc. | 23:16 |
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| perlDreamer | nuba: was it hard to plug WebGUI's SVN into SVK? | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | I've wanted to try for years, but haven't spent the time to actually do it | 23:18 |
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| nuba | just followed http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | and then import that into your SVK repo? | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | nm, I see there's a new section in there | 23:19 |
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| nuba | yeah, the only thing missing there is "svk depotmap --init" | 23:20 |
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| nuba | it me took about 30 mins to go from rev 1 to rev 5232 | 23:23 |
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| nuba | it was like history flashing before my eyes! :D | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | it imported the whole thing? That would be huge! | 23:30 |
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| nuba | 157M .svk/ | 23:31 |
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| nuba | not as mammothy as i expected, too | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | I kinda wish we also had imported the CVS history into there, too. | 23:33 |
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| nuba | is that still available somewhere? | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe. if it's anywhere, it would be on sourceforge | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | project name pbwebgui | 23:47 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5233 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post.t: | 23:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: AssetTrash bugfix exposes bad test code. There's no need to | 23:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: purge when you can roll back a commit container asset like the CS. | 23:48 |
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| nuba | its still there http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | cool | 23:53 |
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| nuba | goes as far as beta 3.7.0 | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | researching the history in SVN is a little tricky because there was a repo reorg last year | 23:53 |
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| nuba | yep | 23:54 |
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| nuba | hey, how do you guys go about running HEAD? manually check upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl for changes every update? | 00:24 |
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| nuba | i just got a fatal cause column isExportable didnt exist yet.. | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | what rev did you pull? | 00:26 |
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| nuba | is this a mistake (whoever added it to upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl forgot to add it to create.sql) ? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not a mistake, since create.sql is for VERSION-1 | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | you install create.sql and then run the updater | 00:27 |
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| nuba | 5234 | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | that's also what I'm running, and it installs fine | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | can you paste your resetdev script output please? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | ok. now, what about keeping it in sync? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | its manual tracking of upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl, isnt it? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | i mean, the way to go | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | you mean between your branch and HEAD? | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, manually | 00:29 |
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| nuba | ok, thx | 00:29 |
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| nuba | i've no resetdev below /data/ | 00:31 |
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| nuba | is that edible? | 00:32 |
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| nuba | :) | 00:32 |
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| perlDreamer | it's a script that everyone has made. | 00:32 |
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| perlDreamer | there should be one in the core | 00:32 |
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| nuba | this is on wre 0.7. | 00:33 |
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| nuba | is it a wre script? | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't use the wre, so I'm not sure | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | see this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 00:33 |
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| nuba | thanks | 00:38 |
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| nuba | i'll modify this to fit my setup | 00:39 |
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| nuba | so this is THE resetdev? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | no, it's just mine | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | for THE resetdev, I'd ask a Plain Black staffer | 00:41 |
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| nuba | looks like something useful to have at https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 00:41 |
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| nuba | perlDreamer: you may want to look into upgrade.pl's --skipBackup --skipDelete --skipMaintenance for line 18 of http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 01:14 |
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| nuba | to make it faster | 01:15 |
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| perlDreamer | thanks, nuba! | 01:16 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: does the WRE have a builtin resetdev script? | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | not that i'm aware of | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | there's a better solution that graham was working on that didn't require so many passwords, but dunno how far he gots | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | i made some of my own improvements to resetdev, but it's still a hack | 01:17 |
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| perlDreamer | care to share? | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | one sec | 01:18 |
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| perlDreamer | just don't paste it directly channel. It makes Doug mad. | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m96d02d1 | 01:21 |
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| nuba | good, incorporating lines 16-20 into my hacked version of pD's resetdev lookalike | 01:24 |
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| perlDreamer | nuba: you only need to do that if you want to go through the initial site setup | 01:24 |
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| perlDreamer | if I understand what's going on correctly | 01:25 |
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| nuba | yeah, i got it | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | 16 is the site setup, 17 is show debug more, 18-20 is start with auto-commit and real-time workflows | 01:25 |
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| perlDreamer | I have an idea | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Why don't we make one that is universal, in two flavors | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | WRE and non-WRE? | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | and then check them into the /tools area in SVN? | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | there's a tools area? | 01:27 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah | 01:27 |
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| perlDreamer | It's at the top-level | 01:27 |
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| nuba | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 01:27 |
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| nuba | or maybe, if you're going to try doing it WRE/non-WRE neutral, at WebGUI/sbin | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | it should be possible to do one resetdev for both WRE and non-WRE, with some decent sanity checks | 01:30 |
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| perlDreamer | hail, rizen | 01:32 |
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| @rizen | only here for 32 seconds | 01:33 |
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| @rizen | don't hail me =( | 01:33 |
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| perlDreamer | ah | 01:33 |
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| perlDreamer | not hailed like a taxi-cab, hail like greeted with honor and respect | 01:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If anyone cares the survey system is coming along nicely. Tomorrow I'll put something public up for those who care to see how it is going. | 01:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | It isn't tied to WebGUI yet, just javascript scalfolding for creating surveys. | 01:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | g'night. | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | should've gotten him his own branch | 01:59 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 02:00 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer, are you awake? | 02:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm here | 02:17 |
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| perlDreamer | well, kinda here anyway | 02:22 |
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| perlDreamer | dionak: I'll be bouncing back and forth between two cubes, but I'm around. | 02:22 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer: Hm. Sounds like you're busy. You had asked the other day if I have read Perl Best Practices and I just wanted to answer. It is on my list but has not been completely read yet. | 02:23 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, I remember that. I had a question about stringy eval, but it's since been answered by JT checking in WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:31 |
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| dionak | interesting... | 02:41 |
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| @rizen | what is? | 02:41 |
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| dionak | WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:41 |
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| @rizen | oh, i'm quite proud of how it turned out | 02:43 |
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| dionak | I can see why. :) I didn't realize you were planning a plugin system. How are you envisioning this to be used? | 02:44 |
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| dionak | it looks like you've been doing quite a bit of work. | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | most of the work i'm doing these days hasn't shown up in svn yet | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | only little things | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | but if you look at the pluggable urls, content handlers, or auth system (WebGUI::Operation::Auth) you'll see how it's used | 02:46 |
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| dionak | looking.. | 02:46 |
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| @rizen | tonight i'll convert macros and some other plugin points to use it as well | 02:46 |
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| dionak | thats really cool, JT | 02:46 |
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| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is meant to be used at all plugin points to provide a speedy, easy, and secure way of loading plugins | 02:47 |
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| dionak | so we could create our own plugin for a new auth method, for instance... | 02:47 |
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| @rizen | you always could, it's just that now there's a standard way that all plugins are loaded, rather than having each plugin system write it's own mechanism for loading them | 02:47 |
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| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is really meant to be used by core developers that create plugin entry points | 02:48 |
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| @rizen | not so much for people who write plugins | 02:48 |
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| dionak | ah, ok. | 02:48 |
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| @rizen | so if at some point you decided "JT, I think that session sub-objects should be pluggable?" | 02:49 |
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| @rizen | i'd say, great, let's use WebGUI::Pluggable to make that happen | 02:49 |
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| dionak | gotcha | 02:50 |
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| @rizen | have you seen the pluggable URL and content handlers | 02:56 |
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| @rizen | i would think that those would probably be quite useful to Knowmad | 02:56 |
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| dionak | i'm trying to envision how to use that | 02:57 |
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| perlDreamer | you could use it to call PHP | 02:58 |
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| dionak | so we could setup urls that handle content in a certain way? | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | well for URL handlers | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | you can write a custom application at a specific URL that is not an asset | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | therefore it doesn't load the asset system on those requests | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | and thusly is much faster | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | and less resource intensive | 02:59 |
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| dionak | nice... | 02:59 |
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| dionak | so we could use that for integrating software | 02:59 |
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| dionak | which we do a lot | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | also, some people don't want to write assets because they are too complicated, or you never want more than one instance of it on a site | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | absolutely | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | that's a great example | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | you still have all of webgui's resources available, but you choose how to use them | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | rather than being confined to the asset architecture | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | for reusable content objects, asssets are great | 03:00 |
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| dionak | wow, that's really very useful. | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | but for integration, assets are rarely great | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | and for content handlers...have you ever wished you could have your own pluggable operations? | 03:00 |
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| dionak | yea, | 03:01 |
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| @rizen | well with content handlers you could make your own operations system that would do whatever you wanted it to do | 03:01 |
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| @rizen | instead of op= you could have knowmad= | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | as in /page?knowmad=dothis | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | all the existing ops will still work | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | but now you can add your own things | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | and since it's not using the op= interface | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | you don't have to worry about conflicting with future changes in webgui | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | because knowmad= is your own namespace | 03:02 |
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| dionak | so if i wanted to use another piece of software for say, forums or blogging or whatnot, I could just hook it in? That will certainly open up the possibilities for selling the CMS. | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | oh yeah | 03:03 |
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| dionak | Yea, that will work well. I'm looking forward to trying that | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | ever since i built the asset system into webgui it has become more of a cms and less of a framework | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | it's moving away from it's framework roots | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | so i decided it needs to get back tot he basics | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | which is why i introduced pluggable url and content handlers | 03:04 |
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| @rizen | if you're interested, there's an article in the black blog that explains it a little | 03:04 |
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| dionak | cool, i'll share it with the group and check out the blog. Btw, I just noticed how few articles are on Sitepoint.com for perl. Looks like a good writing opportunity. | 03:05 |
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| @rizen | never even heard of that site | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | but if it's low on perl articles, you're right | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | a great opportunity | 03:06 |
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| dionak | it's a top site on the web | 03:07 |
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| dionak | check it out. i have to grab some dinner. thanks for the info! | 03:07 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5234 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: switched macro system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: converted WebGUI::Operation to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:33 |
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| nuba | 'night folks | 05:15 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 05:15 |
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| nuba | off to bed! | 05:15 |
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| @rizen | bye | 05:16 |
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| @preaction | although i get annoyed by it, i am liking how the writing of tests are revealing bugs in almost completely unrelated areas | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | latest bug: I seem to get intermittent "Cannot call purgeRevision on an undefined value" when rolling back a version tag containing Threads, but rolling back by going into the site itself works just fine | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5236 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Added migration utility for Gallery | 08:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5237 /branch/doug-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 15:38 |
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| BartJol | good morning to you | 15:55 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 17:05 |
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| wgGuest40 | i have a question | 17:05 |
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| wgGuest40 | a macro can return a array of elements? | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | well I think so | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | it might complicate your return statement | 17:09 |
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| wgGuest40 | why? | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest40 | why the return statement will be complicated? | 17:14 |
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| BartJol | well, just a layout thingy, if all the output is placed on one line without delimiters | 17:16 |
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| BartJol | I'm not an expert in these matters, just trying to help... | 17:17 |
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| @rizen | macro can't return an array | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | it must return a string | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | that said, if you want it to return a comma delimited string | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | that string could then be passed in to to another macro | 17:18 |
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| wgGuest40 | ok | 17:22 |
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| wgGuest40 | thanks | 17:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | It could return a Storable object which could be any complex data structure. | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | oh, they left. | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | freeze is so underutialized :P | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | freeze is bad | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | and not allowed in webgui | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | serializing is bad? | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | actually storable isn't allowed in webgui | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | no serializing is good | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | storable is bad | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | because it's binary storage, which is architecture dependant | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | so it's not portable | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | we recommend serializing to json | 17:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hmm......so freezing on my x64-86 won't thaw on my x86? | 17:44 |
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| perlmonkey2 | json is good too. json is also underutialized. it is especially good for moving data to/from JS :) | 17:45 |
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| perlmonkey2 | FYI: Storable has 'nstore' which is arch independant. | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | it's supposed to be arch independent | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | but we had some problems with it a while back | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | people transitioning from PPC to intel on mac lost a bunch of poll data as a result | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | so we decided then that it was time for it to go away | 18:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Wow, well that sucks. I won't be using Storable anymore then. | 19:00 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah! "Clean" test results again! | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | wahoo pd | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | nice job | 20:00 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: Do the modules in Operation/*.pm need to be Plug'ed, too? | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | are there any other than auth that load plugins? | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | i don't think so | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | i already made Operation.pm use pluggable | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | Several of the modules load things using eval. | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | oh | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | SpellCheck, Workflow | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | then yes we should do it | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | oh good point | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i forgot about those | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | you want me to do it, or are you going to do it? | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i suppose i should | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | I can do a few of them today | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i shouldn't make you clean up my mess | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | that's bad | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i'll do it | 20:23 |
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| perlDreamer | as you wish | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | i'll do it now | 20:23 |
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| perlDreamer | ack eval Operation/* | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to leave commerce as is for now | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | since i'm working on replacing it | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | ooh | 20:24 |
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| @rizen | i should be using $class->can in WebGUI::Pluggable | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | that would be a good extra check | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | would that work on procedural code? | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | or just on objects? | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | no just on the objects | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | i don't think that would work on procedural | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | but if it would, that would be sweet | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | could you look that up for me? | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 20:26 |
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| perlDreamer | no procedural code | 20:26 |
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| perlDreamer | and doesn't work on AUTOLOADs | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | oh crap | 20:30 |
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| @rizen | then maybe i shouldn't do it | 20:30 |
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| @rizen | because then i can't use instanciate() on form controls | 20:30 |
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| perlDreamer | not unless you call the form directly, instead of going through WebGUI::Form | 20:31 |
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| perlDreamer | iirc, WGBP says that AUTOLOAD is not recommended | 20:31 |
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| perlDreamer | but I don't know if we've thought that far ahead yet | 20:31 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but autoload makes the form system usable | 20:32 |
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| @rizen | without it, the form system wouldn't be nearly as cool | 20:32 |
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| @rizen | wow there are a lot of plugin points in webgui that i forgot about | 20:42 |
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| @khenn | like what? | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | form controls, workflow activities, form helpers, workflow helpers | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | just to name 4 | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | Asset constructors | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | i18n | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | Help | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | no, you did the last 2 | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | and i know about asset, i just don't know how to do that one yet | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I was just adding to the list of plugin points | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | it's a bit more complicated | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | oh, i thought this was a list of ones i forgot | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | not a complete list | 20:44 |
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| @khenn | yeah the ones you forgot | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | my bad | 20:44 |
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| @khenn | pd just started listing them all =) | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | for a complete list we also have auth modules, macros, url and content handlers | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | oh and any object for that matter | 20:47 |
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| @rizen | as a parameter to a workflow activity | 20:47 |
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| perlDreamer | whoa | 20:53 |
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| perlDreamer | I think I found the first WebGUI constructor that doesn't take a session object | 20:53 |
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| @rizen | which is? | 20:54 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI::Search::Index | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | that's a mistake if that's the case | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | it certainly should have a session | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | hm | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | I guess it does get a session, but it takes an asset as an argument | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | it must get the session from that | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | ah | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | yeah it doesn't make sense to pass it in twice | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | pd could you look at line 323 of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance for me | 21:01 |
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| perlDreamer | sure | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | it seems like that shouldn't work | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | because $params is an array reference | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | and i think it should be @{$params} to make it work | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | but there haven't been any complaints, so i don't know what's up | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe they don't take params yet? | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | or all expect array references? | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | my Workflow/Spectre-fu isn't that great | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | but it looks like it's creating itself over again | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | because $class and $method come from $self, rather than the activity | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | obviously, I'm not paying enough attention in the Workflow class :) | 21:10 |
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| @rizen | i think i'm going to stop second guessing myself | 21:10 |
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| @rizen | it's obviously working or workflows everywhere would be going to hell in a handbasket | 21:11 |
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| perlDreamer | in my Workflow Instance table, all classes and methods are NULL | 21:12 |
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| @rizen | you probably only have maintenance workflows up right now | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | which have no objects | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | most workflows are maintenance type | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | but approval workflows work on version tags | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | and lots of other workflows work on groups and users | 21:13 |
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| perlDreamer | you're right, I don't have any of those running right now | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | workflow is kind of an insane bitch | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | but i'm glad i wrote it | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | it makes so many other things in webgui so much nicer | 21:14 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll understand it better once I've tested it | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | like the new commerce system for example | 21:14 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll understand that once I've tested it, too | 21:17 |
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| @rizen | you won't have to test that | 21:17 |
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| * perlDreamer briefly considers changing his nick to V'GER | 21:17 |
| @rizen | i'm building it doing test driven dev | 21:18 |
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| @rizen | holy crap, i just cut about 40 lines out of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance due to WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | refactoring rocks | 21:19 |
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| @rizen | overall I'd say WebGUI::Pluggable has eliminated about 250 lines of code | 21:19 |
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| @rizen | oh wait, ->can will work with the forms system | 21:27 |
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| @rizen | because it's in the AUTOLOAD method that we call can | 21:27 |
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| @rizen | we're not calling it on an autoload method | 21:28 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): converted workflow system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:34 |
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| cap10morgan | should ?op=spectreGetSiteData ever return an empty json object? (i.e. just "{}") | 21:41 |
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| @rizen | no, at the very least it should have 2 nodes, the workflow and schedule nodes | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | i forget the exact labeling | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, that's what i thought | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | hmm, my sites are returning empty objects | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | on 7.4.14 | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | i'll try restarting | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | those nodes may be empty if you have no schedules or workflows | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | but they should at least exist | 21:42 |
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| perlDreamer | is there anything in your webgui.log? | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | right | 21:43 |
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| cap10morgan | no, i need to turn up the logging level though | 21:43 |
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| perlDreamer | there is one way for it to return {} | 21:43 |
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| perlDreamer | and that's if you make an out of subnet request | 21:43 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ah, that could be | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | see line 62 of Operation/Spectre.pm in HEAD for an example | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | if the request is out of subnet, it will issue a security warning and then fall through to the bottom | 21:44 |
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| cap10morgan | yep, that was it | 21:44 |
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| cap10morgan | thanks pD | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | no sweat | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | pd you around? | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | i don't understand what i'm looking at in WebGUI::Operation::Help _loadHelp | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | oh nevermind | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | now i do | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | crap | 22:14 |
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| @rizen | i don't know how to load it though | 22:14 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): migrated forms system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5240 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: converted to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
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| @preaction | would non-508-compliant asset templates in the core be considered a minor/cosmetic bug? | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | depends upon the asset | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | or since WebGUI is international, is there an international standard we can achieve? | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | i seem to be getting bunches of questions about 508 and accessibility these days | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | the internatlonal standard is WAI compliance put forth by the W3C, however many countries (including the US) require their own compliance standards | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | for example, the project manager asset as far as i'm concerned, doesn't need to be WAI compliant because it is an intranet style app | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | my reply is invariably: depends on what the designer does, but a minor audit i conducted gave a few places where we could improve (if we're not, in fact, breaking 508) | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | however, any app used by the general public should be WAI or section 508 compliant | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | ah, of course | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | the Collab System being one of those that might need a little 508 help | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | probably | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | it's such a big ass app these days | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | inaccessible tables, there needs to be all manners of weird tags in tables | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | that too | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | soooooooooooo cooool | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to have to bring that up in one of the black blog NEXT posts | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I'd split it into two parts | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | 1) the load | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | 2) the data access | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | i'm thinking about leaving it as is | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | since it's a special case anyway | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | or does that seem bad? | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | "It's always easy to stay within strong boundaries." | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd covert the load to use Pluggable | 23:36 |
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| @rizen | your mom is a ______ | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | when a workflow activity has an error, it's supposed to increment the priority level, correct? | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | ex-nurse | 23:38 |
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| @rizen | in spectre yes | 23:39 |
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| @rizen | not in the workflow table | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | ok | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | seems to not be happening, which is causing the same 5 activities to keep running over and over. i'll try to find out why | 23:40 |
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| @rizen | blame apeiron | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | it's fun | 23:41 |
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| @apeiron | No, see, that's apeiron v1.0, the 2.0 model isn't fun any more. | 23:42 |
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| @apeiron | However, recent versions of khenn are still fun to blame. | 23:42 |
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| perlDreamer | does it throw an exception when falsely blamed? | 23:42 |
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| @apeiron | Of course. | 23:43 |
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| perlDreamer | must be good code then | 23:44 |
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| @rizen | let's try | 23:45 |
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| @rizen | my $apeiron = $pb->getEmployee("chris"); | 23:46 |
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| @rizen | say $apeiron->blame; | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | you forgot to catch the exception | 23:46 |
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| @rizen | i'm waiting to see die output | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | so far nothing is printing | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | this is a slow program | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | hrmmm...maybe it's hung | 23:47 |
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| @preaction | it's backed up with errors from other processes | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | i guess i'll have to kill it | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | `killall apeiron` | 23:47 |
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| -!- apeiron was kicked from #webgui by rizen [rizen] | 23:48 |
| perlDreamer | it's a remote process, all you did was detach it | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | that seemed to work | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | oh no | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | kill one employee object and an old one pops up in it's place | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | ping vayde | 23:50 |
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| @rizen | hrm | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | resurrected! | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | it's not responding either | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | but the apeiron process spawned again | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | it appears that killall needs a --stay-dead option | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | so the getSuspendedQueue in spectre is supposed to have the same priority as the original workflow. and the "workingPriority" is the new priority that spectre itself uses? | 23:51 |
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| perlDreamer | I told you that this was just a remote connection | 23:51 |
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| @apeiron | Error: caught fatal MessingWithApeiron exception! Aborting... | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | finally some output from that damn program | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | i guess he was right, you can't blame him without trapping the exception | 23:53 |
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| vayde | hey rizen, how you been? | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | preaction: that sounds right, but i don't know unless i look at the code | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | terrible | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | wow i must need a new computer | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | my ping command took forever to respond | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | and it didn't follow protocol either | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | the vayde program is broken | 23:54 |
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| vayde | lol. yeah. I get that alot | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | looks like it's just the spectre.pl --status message, it doesn't show the right working priority for suspended workflows, i expect because they're added to the suspended queue at their original priority | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | there's still legacy workflow activities that have a 60-second run-time, would it be cool if I made that configurable? i've got 26000 e-mails and a site that seems to add them faster than they can be removed | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I think 60 seconds might be an "important" number | 00:30 |
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| perlDreamer | like, the spectre time ping interval | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | it was, but that was changed iirc | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | because now we have the workingPriority thing | 00:31 |
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| perlDreamer | well, if that's so (and admittedly, my spectre-fu is weak) then it should be okay to configure it. TMRFE buy-in is always good. | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | i updated the time, the job runs every minute now, but it still only gets rid of about 20 each time, which takes (say) two minutes (due to spectre overhead and other factors) | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math (26000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 00:33 |
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| perlbot | 1.80555555555556 | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | 20 email/minute seems very, very slow | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | it'll take two DAYS to get through these... | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | which server is that? | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | the Alumni site | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | they continue to stress parts of WebGUI that I don't think anybody else does | 00:34 |
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| perlDreamer | I meant, which email server? sendmail, qmail, exchange .. ? | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | we use sendmail iirc | 00:34 |
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| perlDreamer | and it will take two days as long as no new ones are added | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | they have applications that allow them to send large HTML-formatted mails | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | and they're using the collab as an email list server? | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | to every user in their database | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | 20,000+ | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | so i think they used it once, maybe twice (since they can also configure who gets the messages, so not everyone has to) | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | so i was thinking some sort of message priority / first-in-first-out system | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | since important messages like lost passwords and welcome messages with important instructions are not getting sent out because they're behind (ordered by what though) other, less important messages | 00:36 |
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| perlDreamer | A FIFO system will still block, but the messaging priority sounds good. | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | ordered by priority first, FIFO second (to make sure there's absolutely no chance that this kind of thing can happen again, unless the priorities are messed up | 00:37 |
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| perlDreamer | I see. ORDER BY priority, dateSubmitted | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | so i propose both really, because if you send a huge mass at the same priority, and then add another mass, but expect the first to be send before the second, you'll be disappointed | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | laugh, i'm up to 28000 now :p | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | see, that's 10% more in 5 minutes | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | we need to find a better way to do large messages/large recipient sets | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | since most of there are the same message? but it's possible to personalize, no? | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | isn't that what the "toGroup" thing in mailQueue is for? | 00:41 |
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| perlDreamer | sure, but would a forking dispatcher help? Is sendmail the limiting factor, or is it Spectre? | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | the application generates a list, but it could generate a Group instead | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | it seems like some get sent faster than others | 00:42 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll be back in a while | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math (28000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 01:29 |
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| perlbot | 1.94444444444444 | 01:29 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5242 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a check in update() for whether isExportable exists, preventing problems | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: with users upgrading from previous versions of WebGUI. Tested in an upgrade | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: from 7.4.0 -> SVN head (i.e., 7.5.0). | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5243 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: Add a missing \t in the output of addIsExportable. | 03:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5244 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Keep the session tracking, but hide it behind an environment | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: variable to keep the line noise down. Also, add user and | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: group tracking. | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5245 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a stub test for newByDynamicUrl, that really should | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: have been a stub test for update. | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add tests for getNotFound, testing what is returned for both | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: a page and a Snippet. | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you awake and willing to answer inane testing related questions? | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | that depends, are you inane enough to handle the answer? | 06:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | then fire away | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm having no luck trying to use Test::Builder to TODO-ify tests in Test::Maker | 06:23 |
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| * nuba wonders if hes inane enough to watch the exchange.. | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | So I'm wondering why it isn't working | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only thing I can think of is that it's OO instead of procedural | 06:24 |
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| * diakopter lurks | 06:24 |
| nuba | diakopter: want some popcorn? | 06:25 |
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| @preaction | so because Test::More doesn't see that it's currently inside of a named TODO: block at some nesting depth, it doesn't truly label them as TODO? | 06:25 |
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| diakopter | nuba: i have plenty, thank you | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Right | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should commit the code | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's harmless (useless) | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you can look | 06:26 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's in | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | the code is straight out of the Test::Builder::Module docs | 06:27 |
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| @preaction | perhaps todo_skip would be better? does that work? | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes and no | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | skip will make the tests not run | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I want these tests to run | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | since nothing is exported, import is never called | 06:32 |
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| @preaction | look at Test::Builder and look for <level> and tell me if that's what we're looking for | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did. The Builder docs are bad | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's why I chose Builder::Module | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but maybe the whole premise is wrong | 06:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5246 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): add prototype Test code to allow Test::Maker modules to handle TODO | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I should include that stuff in new | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try retrofitting to tht | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | that | 06:35 |
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| @preaction | uhm, is there two package statements in WebGUI::Test::Maker now? | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | No. Why do you ask? | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | it looks like the entire module got duplicated and pasted into itself | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | weird | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | i think it might've been there for a while | 06:37 |
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| @preaction | it should only be 192 lines, not 384 | 06:37 |
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| @preaction | same thing with Test::Maker::Permission | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | the svn repo looks okay | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | my local copy looks okay | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | for Test::Maker | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll check Permission next | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | It looks okay, too. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | ha, i think it's because i'm looking at a different codebase :p | 06:39 |
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| @preaction | yeah :p | 06:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | phew | 06:39 |
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| @preaction | is there a test i can use to play with? I'm going to start messing around with Test::Builder and/or Test::More to see why it's happening | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Asset/Asset.t | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | see the commented out code for canAddMaker2 | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's also what I'm using, so it should be easy to duplicate results | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | so i uncomment the code and try that? | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | and also the TODO code down below that calls the run method | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | level looks right. It should kick things up 1 level | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | so 92 and 93 are failing, when in fact they should be TODOing | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, they should fail AND be TODO'ed | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | right, but it's not one level, they've decended a level because they're being called inside the Test::Maker | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | though i really don't quite understand it | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | ok() is called in Test::Builder, up one level would be the TODO: block, up one more would be main::, in a normal situation | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | so if ok in Test::Builder is instead called in Test::Maker, which is called in a TODO: block, which is called from main, it would need to go up one more, no? | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | so adding 1 to Test::Builder::Level, localized? | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | lets try | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | omg it works | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | using Builder::Module? | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | adding 'local $Test::Builder::Level = $Test::Builder::Level+1;' as line 189 (or somewhere at the top of the run() sub) | 06:50 |
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| @preaction | i think it's using Builder::Module, it's using runUsers() | 06:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're a genius | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know what happens now right? | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to bow to you. | 06:51 |
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| @preaction | but then, wouldn't that runUsers introduce another level of depth? | 06:51 |
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| @preaction | so why does it work? | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it's caller depth, not stack depth | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're two packages deep, regardless of how many subroutines are called | 06:52 |
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| @preaction | that sounds weird. Test::Builder uses caller() to try to find it, isn't that the stack depth? | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure. | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | meh, i expect it'll be an exercise for a later day, after we find another way to break things ;) | 06:53 |
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| * perlDreamer bows | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks for collaborating, preaction | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | np, interesting problems are always fun, i don't come across nearly enough in my daily work ;) | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | any luck with the email bomb? | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | new ways on how to manage site-wide collateral data and reporting are so boring i'm making some superclasses that will cut my work by at least 70% | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | yes and no, the e-mails have stopped increasing, but there's nothing i can do to keep things going faster really | 06:56 |
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| @preaction | it only came to our attention because of some problems with version tags, perpetual. | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I found another good buglet today | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's not really fixable | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | If you instanciate an object inside a version tag, then commit the object | 06:56 |
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| @preaction | i've put enough logging info it's pouring out of my eyeballs and i can't find the exact piece of code causing a workflow activity to be created and the version tag and all assets gets destroyed, but the activity remains | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | weird | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | the bug graham fixed last week might cause it, so i'll be putting that patch in | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, it mucks things up if you purge a parent before a child now | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | they're getting upgraded to the first 7.5.0 beta as soon as it gets released, so there's that blessing (right now they're running a patched 7.4.13) | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | i think there might also be a problem with trying to create a child while the parent is still in a pending state, but i could've swore i tried that one already | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it a collab system? | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | if so, there's definitely a problem | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | custom application allowing users to post photos, stores those photos in a folder | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | seems that most of the problems happen when the folder is created | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | if a child ever has to get getParent, it will puke | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | getParent can't find uncommitted parents | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | that... doesn't sound good | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's exactly what we found in the Gallery/Album tests | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | getParent should, imho, always get the parent. if there's no committed parent it should get the uncommitted one | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | but then, how could there be a committed child ... because i don't test for that before allowing children to be added to Gallery | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | so long as you don't access a method that calls getParent, you can do anything you like | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think all the containers should override and extend addChild to make sure of it | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | right now it's checked in the interface, but not the API | 07:02 |
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| nuba | hey guys, quick question: on the maps asset im generating some javascript which I'd think would be better if using a template instead of mixing perl code and many chunks of HEREDOCs or string concats.. | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | templating tends to be slow | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about sprintf? | 07:04 |
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| nuba | the thing is, if I create a template, chances are the users could delete it and break the asset | 07:04 |
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| @preaction | that's the chance you take with all assets | 07:05 |
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| @preaction | Time Tracker, Project Manager, huge parts have javascript that unless copied perfectly will break | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | i would suggest a snippet though, or if it's absolutely necessary for all asset functionality, a script in the Extras folder | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I think it's variable, that's why he wants to template it | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | you could either include it yourself using session->http->setScript or have the template do it | 07:07 |
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| @preaction | oh | 07:07 |
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| @preaction | no way to make it an Object of some kind? | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuba: for stuff like that I use sprintf with a heredoc. It's the lightest weight template available in pure, core perl. | 07:07 |
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| nuba | i wanted to throw it in the headBlock of the template, just to figure out that headBlock isnt processed, just included as is in the head. | 07:08 |
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| @preaction | i would offer up the Event www_edit method as an example of how that can go horribly horribly wrong | 07:08 |
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| @preaction | put it on top of the markup in the Template area, or make it an object of some kind that you instanciate in the template part | 07:09 |
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| nuba | personally, i'm inclined to embed a template in a $javascript_template scalar, and process it | 07:09 |
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| nuba | possibly with TT instead of HTML::Template if it starts to get more complicated. would that be ok? | 07:10 |
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| nuba | or thats not the webgui way? | 07:10 |
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| @preaction | no way to just write out some JSON? | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I see what you mean. But you're still using quoting and string concat vs a HEREDOC/sprintf | 07:10 |
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| nuba | well if I write JSON then i'll move the complexity to javascript. | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuba: there's no "good" way to do it. It's either slow or ugly. | 07:11 |
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| nuba | i'd rather keep it in perl | 07:11 |
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| nuba | by complexity i mean the decisions of what javascript to run | 07:12 |
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| nuba | i'd rather decide at the perl code what javascript to create | 07:12 |
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| @preaction | not sure on the policy of TT v. HTML::Template. I hear rumors of moving to TT exclusively using an updated WebGUI::Asset::Template | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | but i don't know what'll happen to them | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | i expect HTML::Template will remain the defacto standard for now | 07:13 |
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| nuba | i think i'll stick with heredocs for now | 07:13 |
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| nuba | but thanks guys for the input | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I heard rizen talk about the templating, too, preaction. There's a HTML::Template dialect in TT now. | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, imma commit this, the test is commenting up | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that's what he was talking about i think | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | already committed | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | oh k | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5247 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): make Maker/Permission.pm handle TODO tests | 07:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5248 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: convert the commented out code into TODOs | 07:18 |
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| nuba | looks like $session->style->setRawHeadTags is my new friend.. | 07:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's good stuff | 07:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | it even has a test suite | 07:23 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5249 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/HTML.pm Maker/Permission.pm): fixed Test::Maker::HTML Level. added some comments for future generations | 07:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5250 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: refine the one newByDynamicClass test | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | now if only I could get the related bug fixed with addAssetPrivilege, we could resolve the test and unTODO it | 07:51 |
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| diakopter | JT: you around? | 19:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | anyone about? | 08:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I've got an old 6.8.10 webgui setup - can I download the latest wre and upgrade it using that to the latest? | 08:03 |
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| AMH_bob | Hallo Diego, | 10:24 |
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| AMH_bob | Heb je een link naar de opzet gemaakt voor de product catalogue? | 10:24 |
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| BartJol | does anyone knows what version of WebGUI is currently on the translation site? we plan to try to keep the Dutch translation up to date, but I can't find the version. Is it always the one most recent? | 10:37 |
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| xdanger | shouldn't the read_limit be a little higher by default than 64Mb? | 12:20 |
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| xdanger | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 12:20 |
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| BartJol | maybe someyhing to do with users that randomly uploading files | 12:23 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
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| BartJol | Same question as this morning (at least morning for me), is the WebGUI version on the translation server always the latest version? | 16:47 |
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| nuba | BartJol: i believe whoever is working on any translation for webgui, is using the translation server | 17:05 |
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| BartJol | well, no\ | 17:06 |
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| nuba | since most people would prefer a web based interface than editing the source files, i guess | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | Arjan is working on a local machine | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | and I'm not sure whether he commited the translation | 17:06 |
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| nuba | the translation server also has the convenience of automatically keeping track of new strings as they're added to the releases | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | I know | 17:07 |
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| nuba | well in the early days you had to mail JT the translation to be imported there | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | I remember from my first translation a couple of years ago | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | but, is the server always running the latest (stable) version? | 17:08 |
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| nuba | dunno | 17:10 |
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| BartJol | but probably we will be using the PB translation server in the future | 17:11 |
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| nuba | oh sorry i just read you question again, i got it wrong | 17:11 |
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| nuba | i thought you asked if the translations at the translation server were always the latest ones | 17:11 |
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| nuba | you were asking about the webgui version tho | 17:11 |
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| nuba | my bad | 17:11 |
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| BartJol | no sweat, thanks | 17:11 |
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| BartJol | is the script I send you working? | 17:11 |
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| nuba | i didnt use it yet, im hacking other pressing things atm | 17:12 |
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| nuba | but i'll have use for it, thanks for sending :) | 17:12 |
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| nuba | just not while this deadlines are breathing in my neck :/ | 17:13 |
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| BartJol | :) | 17:13 |
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| BartJol | off course | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest26 | hello | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest26 | i have a small problem at installation | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest26 | ca someone please helpme ? | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello | 19:43 |
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| wgGuest82 | someone can help me with a problem at installation please? | 19:44 |
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| nuba | whats going wrong? | 19:50 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 20:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | when i am runnig wreconsole.pl i am getting this message | 20:14 |
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| wgGuest82 | [root@localhost sbin]# /usr/bin/perl wreconsole.pl | 20:14 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 20:15 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at wreconsole.pl line 1024 | 20:15 |
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| wgGuest82 | malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | why are you using your system's perl when you should be using the WRE's perl? | 20:31 |
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| wgGuest82 | i did not knew | 20:35 |
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| @preaction | best to do this: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh <- note the space between the . and the / | 20:36 |
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| @preaction | then just "perl wreconsole.pl" or even just "wreconsole.pl" | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | the JSON that ships with the WRE should wokr | 20:37 |
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| wgGuest82 | one moment | 20:37 |
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| wgGuest82 | i try this now | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | but, if you could open up a new terminal, do a perldoc -l JSON, and let me know what the $VERSION is, I would appreciate it | 20:38 |
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| @preaction | if they're going to deprecate something, we're going to need to prepare for it | 20:38 |
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| wgGuest82 | ok | 20:40 |
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| wgGuest82 | 1 sec please | 20:40 |
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| wgGuest82 | the version of perl is 5.8.8 and version of webgui si 0.8.1 | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | i mean what version of the JSON module you were using that gave you that error | 20:44 |
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| @preaction | also, just to make sure, you're using the WRE 0.8.1, which probably downloaded WebGUI 7.4.18 | 20:45 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes i am using wre 0.8.1 | 20:47 |
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| wgGuest82 | in the JSON.pm i found a variabile that states version=2.04 | 20:48 |
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| wgGuest82 | i dont have much experience with perl modules | 20:48 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
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| @preaction | now open up that file and look for $VERSION | 21:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | i found $JSON::VERSION='2.04' | 21:04 |
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| @preaction | that works, thanks | 21:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | $XS_VERSION='2.01' | 21:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | ok | 21:05 |
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| perlDreamer | to answer BartJol's question from this morning, I believe the translation server runs off of SVN HEAD, not the latest stable version. | 21:51 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldreamer can you help me with some problems at installation please | 21:56 |
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| wgGuest82 | ? | 21:56 |
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| perlDreamer | what kind of problems are you having, wgGuest82? | 21:56 |
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| wgGuest82 | one moment please | 21:58 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 21:59 |
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| wgGuest82 | this is the error i getting | 22:00 |
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| perlDreamer | Are you using the WRE? | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | JSON is version 2.04 | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | perl is 5.8.8 | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | i am running red hat with wre 0.8.1 | 22:00 |
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| perlDreamer | the WRE supplies its own JSON and perl and apache and mysql | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | you must not be running it | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | did you run . setEnvironment from the WRE sbin directory? | 22:01 |
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| wgGuest82 | i don run apache or mysql | 22:01 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | what does perl -v report? | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, hold on a sec | 22:02 |
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| perlDreamer | how can you run WebGUI without using apache or mysql? | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i386 | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | etc | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | i am using apache | 22:03 |
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| wgGuest82 | i just dont have the service started | 22:03 |
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| perlDreamer | what are you doing to produce the error message? | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | perl wreconsole.pl | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | after that localhost.localdomain:60834 | 22:04 |
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| perlDreamer | and you continue to get this error message after you do the . setEnvironment ? | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:04 |
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| perlDreamer | which shell are you using? | 22:05 |
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| wgGuest82 | bash | 22:05 |
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| wgGuest82 | after i run setenviroment.sh i run echo $? and it returns 0 | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | please do echo $PATH > myPath and paste it using the pastebin site in the title. webgui.pastebin.com | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | then paste the URL here | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | it's not possible that you run the setenvironment script and still point to an operating system perl library. | 22:07 |
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| nuba | besides the jsonToObj warnings wgGuest82 is getting this too | 22:07 |
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| nuba | wgGuest82> malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 22:07 |
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| nuba | looks like a malformed json file to me | 22:07 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 22:07 |
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| wgGuest82 | you're back | 22:08 |
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| nuba | yup. im always online on irc, even if im not at the computer, i leave the client connected here | 22:09 |
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| wgGuest82 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3e852bf5 | 22:09 |
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| nuba | just found out this week's FLOSS is about YUI | 22:09 |
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| nuba | FLOSS Weekly 23: The Yahoo User Interface Library | 22:10 |
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| nuba | http://twit.tv/floss23 | 22:10 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest82: your path is not being set by the setEnvironment script | 22:10 |
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| perlDreamer | so it's still pointing to the system perl, not the WRE one | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | and hence your JSON warning about obsolence | 22:11 |
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| wgGuest82 | you are right | 22:11 |
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| wgGuest82 | how do i corect this | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | I _think_ the setenvironment script is in /data/wre/sbin | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | head over there and see if I'm right | 22:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE myself | 22:12 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes it is there | 22:12 |
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| wgGuest82 | and from there i run it | 22:12 |
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| nuba | you run it with . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
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| perlDreamer | . <space> setenvironment ? | 22:13 |
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| nuba | its a dot, a space, then | 22:13 |
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| nuba | /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, what nuba said | 22:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | i try again now | 22:13 |
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| nuba | it would be nice havin setenvironment setting a $WRE variable | 22:14 |
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| nuba | so you could just ask people to paste here the output of echo $WRE | 22:14 |
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| nuba | or maybe echo $SHELL $WRE | 22:16 |
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| perlDreamer | I like it. Make it an RFE and I'll see if I can implement it. | 22:16 |
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| wgGuest82 | guys thanks for the help | 22:16 |
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| wgGuest82 | it is working now | 22:17 |
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| nuba | cool | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | i probably messed up something | 22:17 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm guessing your earlier problem was not specifying the whole path to setenvironment | 22:17 |
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| perlDreamer | but in any case, I'm glad it's working for you now | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | i run wreconsole.pl with the perl from wre | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | thks for you help and patience | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | have a good night | 22:18 |
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| wgGuest82 | :d | 22:18 |
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| nuba | you too | 22:18 |
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| nuba | oh also | 22:18 |
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| nuba | you can change your nick with /nick mynewnick | 22:18 |
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| nuba | so you can hang out here with a proper nick instead of wgGuestxx if you want | 22:18 |
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| -!- wgGuest82 is now known as Bodanel | 22:19 |
| Bodanel | ok | 22:19 |
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| nuba | there you go | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | i dont use irc channels so much | 22:20 |
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| @apeiron | Although if you're gonna do that, you may as well get a proper IRC client. :) irc.freenode.net, #webgui | 22:20 |
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| nuba | next time a Bodanel joins here we may remember its you :) | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | il do that | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | you will see me again | 22:21 |
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| Bodanel | now i am experimenting webgui | 22:21 |
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| Bodanel | bye everybody | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | later | 22:21 |
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| nuba | have fun | 22:21 |
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| @apeiron | Ciao, have fun. | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | He was very persistent. That's a good trait in new users | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | as long as he learns / listens | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | "indeed" | 23:11 |
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| nuba | yeah | 23:19 |
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| nuba | he seemed thankful, and looking forward to come back as he goes experimenting | 23:20 |
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| nuba | it would be good if experimenters of today turned channel regulars of tomorrow :) | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | i'm starting to think there needs to be a measure of critical installed mass to start upping the population here | 23:25 |
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| nuba | worried it could turn all of us into 1st level of customer support ? :) | 23:27 |
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| nuba | that can be scary :/ | 23:27 |
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| @preaction | not really, we kinda are | 23:29 |
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| @preaction | for my purpose, in order to keep on top of what's going on in the WebGUI community, i read every board and post when it's appropriate | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | usually when i notice something that could be wrong with WebGUI, such as the new JSON API that's going to cause problems unless we switch | 23:31 |
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| Radix__ | woohoo.. my source build of the wre completed | 00:32 |
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| Radix__ | didn't think that was ever going to happen to be honest :) | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | :p oh ye of little faith | 00:41 |
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| Radix__ | it kept on failing at GSSAPI | 00:46 |
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| Radix__ | it'd try and install Authen::SASL, which had a required module gssapi and it would always fail to install | 00:47 |
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| Radix__ | I found the right things to apt-get to get it working in the end | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | what version of debian/ubuntu? | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | still wouldn't build tho.. so ended up doing a full clean and rebuild and went to bed | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | debian 4, etch | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | might want to post a build log to the dev list with the difficulties you went through | 00:48 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5252 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added userDefined fields to GalleryAlbum assets. Modified Gallery::Utility to migrate userDefined fields from Threads to GalleryAlbums. Added tests for the previous. | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | the prebuilt one didn't work.. wanted a specific version of glibc | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | would it be worth packaging this one up as a binary for debian 4? | 00:49 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: could you please add asset committing to the Gallery Utility test while your'e working on it? | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | is that why the purgeRevision is failing? | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | better question: is that a bug in purgeRevision? | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | perhaps, but why get the working tag if you're not going to commit it? | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | to isolate my changes and be able to roll them all back at the end | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | that won't isolate your changes since each addChild will get the current working tag anyway | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | it also creates the working tag so that i have it to be able to roll it back without having to go look for it | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | I didn't know that uncommitted tags could be rolled back | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll have to study the versioning code some more | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | all a rollback does is purge all the assets in the version tag | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | rather, all the revisions | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | revisions can be pending and still be purged | 00:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I see | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | but then you're still stuck with getParent always failing | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | is getParent versioning-aware? that might be a bug too | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: my biggest frustration is always trying to figure out what is a bug in code, vs poorly written code. | 01:47 |
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| perlDreamer | In other words, who is wrong? | 01:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Only rizen can answer that question | 01:48 |
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| perlDreamer | since he wrote it | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | i tend to think about what I would want, i would want versioning to be a completely-working method to change as much as I want without pushing them to the live version until i'm satisfied | 01:49 |
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| @preaction | no matter if i'm using code or actually editing it myself | 01:49 |
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| @preaction | so to say, the "spirit" of the code, not the letter ;) | 01:49 |
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| perlDreamer | If rizen's cool with changing that, I'm perfectly cool with it too. I just like passing test suites | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | i'm more a fan of failing test suites, it exposes bugs ;) | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | correct tests that fail ;) | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | well, if y'all have a weekly kind of meeting, maybe you could bring it up and talk it through | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | if the API can change or be altered/fixed, then it should be done | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | not sure if those are API issues really, some parts of the Asset class just aren't very aware of versioning, and we're running into them a lot | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | i can write something to the dev list about it | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | ... and after an hour of migrating content, i begin to worry that the script is just spinning its gears... | 01:58 |
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| elnino | hi. The help file system is very powerful with the i18n support and all, but my macros are really only useful to us. Is there a way I can write help files within WebGUI, without having to create a corresponding i18n file as well? | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | no | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | although the macro help has been pulled out of the core and put into the wiki instead | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | you could take a similar approach | 02:01 |
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| elnino | so, my custom macros will no longer list automatically in the webgui help? | 02:03 |
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| perlDreamer | it's been a while since i've worked in that system | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | I think they'll list | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't think they link anymroe | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | that's as of 7.4, btw | 02:08 |
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| elnino | That's too bad, It was certainly convienent to see al the "help" in one place. But Good to know before I spend all my time writing .pm help files. Is there | 02:08 |
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| elnino | I'll look at the 7.4 readme/history to see if I can figure it out... | 02:08 |
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| elnino | Thanks! | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking about re-writing the Settings tab in order to (a) accomodate as much stuff from the .conf file as possible and (b) since there'll be a whole slew of new stuff, adding some search capabilities to make setting things easier | 02:13 |
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| @preaction | yea or ney? it's a longer-term project, since the Report asset is first | 02:13 |
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| @preaction | something like CompizConfig Settings Manager, with the tabs on the side and a searchbar thingy | 02:14 |
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| nuba | two thumbs here for moving things from .conf to Setting! | 02:16 |
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| nuba | thumbs up, that is | 02:16 |
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| @preaction | in order to start up, though, the DSN, database user, and database password must remain in the config file, but those are unlikely to ever need changing, whereas installing assets requires changing config | 02:17 |
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| elnino | The only thing the change log says is that they removed the Table of Contents - which is where the macros help files were linked into. I suspect that there are people out there that have put in a lot of time customizing help, I'm surprised that this was removed? Was this a reqeust? | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | it's a performance issue, i18n is loaded into memory, being Perl data structures | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | without the i18n for the Help files, we cut something like 12M resident | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | iirc. the IRC logs have the true answer | 02:19 |
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| elnino | Hmm. That makes sense> I guess I would have had it as an install option. But I'm glad I found out before writing a bunch of help files. | 02:19 |
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| elnino | re config: less config files more settings via the application I think is much easier. Sounds good to me. | 02:20 |
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| nuba | i like config files having just as little as required to boot | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | actually i'll have to look. i'm pretty sure preload.perl does some magic with the configured class names. that might have to change to use either Module::Pluggable or WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | which could increase the resident size, since all the classes in WebGUI::Form, WebGUI::Macro, WebGUI::Asset WebGUI::Workflow::Activity will be loaded at the get-go, no matter if any site is configured to use them | 02:23 |
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| nuba | true | 02:25 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: you might want to check the IRC archives for a discussion on that | 02:27 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen hasn't been favorable about that in the past | 02:27 |
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| perlDreamer | something about the config being loaded on startup, where as settings are hit on every request | 02:28 |
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| @preaction | humph... sounds like a challenge to me ;) | 02:28 |
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| @preaction | but yes, that would be bad | 02:28 |
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| perlDreamer | you know where the online archives are... | 02:29 |
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| nuba | are the irclogs archived somewhere? | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | jukka does it for us | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 02:29 |
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| nuba | cool. i've got irssi on auto-logging, but of course that works only when im here :) | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | i'll write something to download them and index them later :p | 02:32 |
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| @preaction | would it be prudent to make an Asset/api.t test that can be copy/pasted to make sure that all assets conform to the same API? perhaps an additional one for Wobjects? | 02:35 |
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| @preaction | god.. give me a week off and just see what explodes out of my head :P | 02:35 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: I think the real answer is Test::Class | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | copy and paste is bad | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | very bad | 02:36 |
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| nuba | preaction: wget -r to download, grep to search :) | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | ooh | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | nuba, thanks | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, will investigate before i start writing this api test for my new Report interface | 02:37 |
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| nuba | grep -i to make it case insensitive, and -C 10 to give you 10 lines beore and after each grep hit | 02:37 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd love to see the Gallery tests refactored to reuse code, rather than copy and paste | 02:37 |
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| Khaytsus | I updated my WebGUI from 7.3.18 to 7.3.22, no problem. Updated 7.3.22 to 7.4.19 and now when I restart httpd I get this: | 02:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm | 02:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Didn't have any upgrade errors... And I'm not finding anything on this error. Any suggestions? The website sorta shows, but doesn't load much beyond the main page content. | 02:38 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, is Template installed? | 02:39 |
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| perlDreamer | It's probably coming through the config file, with TT as a plug-in | 02:39 |
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| Khaytsus | Is it separate? I'm really not sure | 02:39 |
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| Khaytsus | Let me look at config | 02:39 |
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| @preaction | Template is perl's Template Toolkit | 02:39 |
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| @preaction | TT or TT2 | 02:40 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmm, let me check that | 02:40 |
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| Khaytsus | Template::Toolkit ? | 02:40 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, i like Test::Class. I like it a lot. it could compartmentalize our tests immensely (each test sub could create its own version tag and rollback after its done) | 02:40 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, no. it's just Template | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | Template.pm | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | but think of the rewrite | 02:41 |
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| * perlDreamer shudders | 02:41 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, admittedly, but if we can use it going forward | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | I agree, but I won't have time myself to work on it until after the testing book chapter is written | 02:42 |
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| perlDreamer | it would need a branch | 02:42 |
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| perlDreamer | 'cause we won't make 7.5 either | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | and it's an ugly rewrite, but it doesn't have to be a rewrite really, they can co-exist until the Test::Class heirarchy covers enough | 02:42 |
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| Khaytsus | preaction: Okay I'm a moron, I'm not sure where to find that then.. cpan I'm coming up with a bunch of template related stuff, but. | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, try cpan Bundle-Template perhaps? | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | durno though | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | you don't need to install it | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | unless you actually use it | 02:43 |
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| * perlDreamer heads home | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | Okay, let me peep in the config now | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | Aha, I found their website | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | duh, just "install Template" | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | you can just remove the WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit from your Template Plugins section | 02:43 |
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| * Khaytsus hugs preaction | 02:46 |
| Khaytsus | Nothing in the config, but installing TT2 did it :D | 02:46 |
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| Khaytsus | Thank you! | 02:48 |
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| Khaytsus | Do you happen to know one other question? I had some collaboration systems set to 1 year archive, didn't really mean to.. Is there an *easy* way to find the articles, assuming I can't just search for them? Ie: I want to unarchive all of them. I've searched Assets all over, they stashed anywhere together? | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | they're all in the database. they're in the same place, really, just have a different state | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | search the wiki for "magic numbers" | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | sorry, it's "status" | 02:50 |
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| Khaytsus | I saw a reference to that, let me read it closer | 02:52 |
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| Khaytsus | So the most direct method is sql queries for status=archived ? | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | otherwise, though i don't know what other consequences this might have, just update assetData set status=approved where status=archived | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | if i'm not mistaken, the only thing that uses the archived status is the collab system | 02:56 |
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| Khaytsus | k | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | standard disclaimers apply | 03:01 |
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| Khaytsus | yep, I'm umm.. attempting a select first.. sql is not a strength :) | 03:04 |
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| Khaytsus | aha, got it | 03:04 |
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| Khaytsus | select title from assetData where status like 'archived'; | 03:05 |
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| Khaytsus | Looks safe | 03:05 |
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| Khaytsus | hmm, I see dups.. I wonder if it archives old versions | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | probably. not sure if the archive system is version-aware | 03:08 |
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| Khaytsus | I'm reading the entries to see | 03:09 |
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| Khaytsus | aha yeah I can do selective updates with a title,revisionDate query | 03:13 |
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| Khaytsus | Yep, that worked. I had to edit something else so it would let me commmit, then the 'fixed' threads are showing :) | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | oh, since you did a raw DB edit, clear the cache by rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 03:37 |
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| Khaytsus | restart httpd and/or spectre? | 03:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmm, why can't I find the "help" level.. It's extremely wordy right now in settings etc | 03:40 |
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| metanil | hello everyone | 03:40 |
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| metanil | what should i do if want to aggregate some articles and show it in new article page? .. is there any assets/tool available? | 03:40 |
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| @preaction | like from an RSS feed? | 03:48 |
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| metanil | yes | 03:51 |
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| metanil | actually i want to show them in my dashboard(asset). | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | i think you'd need to make a Syndicated Content asset, and then you can make that available to the dashboard | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | but i'm not an expert on the dashboard at all | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | if there's not one already, it would be a good idea to write a tutorial on the WebGUI wiki on adding content widgets to the dashboard. | 03:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yay.. I got my new WRE/WebGUI install working :) | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | woot! | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | is it just me, or is this channel been unusually active since the new year? | 03:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | now to recreate the content I had before (couldn't be bothered upgrading as only had a few pages and it was still using 6.8.10) | 03:56 |
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| metanil | So currently we don't have syndicated content asset.. right? | 04:05 |
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| @preaction | metanil, what do you mean? There's a Syndicated Content asset | 04:06 |
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| @preaction | not sure if it's allowed in dashboards | 04:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, you can use it in dashboards | 04:07 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I use it at work to get the weather info on our intranet dashboard | 04:07 |
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| @preaction | dashboard is a crazy-powerful piece of worksmanship that needs to start coming into its own. i wonder how many people actually use it | 04:07 |
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| @preaction | sounds like a good poll for WebGUI.org | 04:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I didn't really get a feel for how to use the dashboard until I went to the WUC and someone mentioned it | 04:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it's an unusual, but very cool asset | 04:11 |
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| metanil | oops.. it was only available after logging using admin user | 04:11 |
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| @preaction | that's probably a ui level issue | 04:12 |
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| metanil | i think the URL to RSS should be pointed to something which return RSS .. right? | 04:27 |
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| @preaction | hover over the label for "URL to RSS", it should pop-up a little help box | 04:27 |
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| metanil | yes.. i did it. and rss site will return like charm. | 04:28 |
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| metanil | but nothing showed up if pointed to some articles. | 04:28 |
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| metanil | i mean articles(assets) of webgui | 04:28 |
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| @preaction | so it's not an RSS feed at all | 04:31 |
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| @preaction | you might be able to make a shortcut to the page, or make shortcuts to those assets, or something of that nature | 04:31 |
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| metanil | like link? | 04:31 |
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| @preaction | no, Shortcut | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | a Shortcut asset | 04:32 |
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| metanil | hmmm | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | a Redirect asset is more like a link. a Shortcut allows you to do fun things | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | like override templates, content, title, url, groups, etc... | 04:32 |
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| metanil | but i don't see any assets that called something "shortcut".. | 04:33 |
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| metanil | BTW, i'm quite new to webgui | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | i know. you might be interested in buying some of the books that plainblack offers, as this place is not really to be used for people learning how to do things in WebGUI | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | ah, you have to click on the More link in the asset manager to get Create Shortcut | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | then you can move that shortcut where you want it | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | it's not going to be an aggragate, unless you shortcut the page (then it'll get the page, which gets all the articles on the page) | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | consequently, you might prefer to use a Collaboration System just so you can get the RSS feed it produces | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | (instead of Articles) | 04:36 |
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| metanil | hmmm.. | 04:40 |
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| metanil | i'm looking at shortcut.. | 04:40 |
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| metanil | its cool! | 04:40 |
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| @preaction | it's crazy. there are some seriously awesome things you can do with them | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | and they work great with dashboards | 04:42 |
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| metanil | ya.. but the i have to do aggregation manually to each articles description. | 04:45 |
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| metanil | i cannot automate it.. so i think if i change the source code for description in shortcut asset, then it will work. | 04:46 |
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| metanil | btw, when i log out and then log in why it tries remain in same page (rather than home page)? | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | because that's how it works. it's more convenient imho | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | you can change that, but i forget how | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | something like returnUrl or proceed | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | probably returnUrl | 04:58 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. if I have the wre/webgui on 80/81 - and I have another apache server running a couple of static html/php websites on port 82/83/84/85 etc.. what's the best way to add them to the wre modproxy setup without breaking any of the wre addsite functionality? | 05:08 |
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| @preaction | creating new "sitename.modproxy" with <VirtualHost> blocks? | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | shouldn't interfere with addsite | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah? okay.. that'd do it then | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | i'd advise against adding anything to httpd.modproxy.conf | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, was thinking the same | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | since i think that can be overwritten by the wreconsole.pl script | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wasn't sure what the best way to do it was tho :) | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | dunno if wreconsole does things intelligently. i think httpd.modproxy.conf is just a processed template output now | 05:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cheers doug | 05:11 |
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| @preaction | though you might want to not try to make a new site using the addsite script with the same name as one of the site you're adding manually | 05:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yah, that'd be silly :) | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | the old wre 0.7 would cheerfully overwrite everything | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | i don't know if the new WRE 0.8 changed that | 05:12 |
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| metanil | returnUrl is macro? | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | no, it's a url parameter | 05:29 |
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| metanil | any example.. actually url parameter has to be some value. | 05:37 |
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| metanil | http://webgui.example.com/home/utilities?op=auth;method=logout;op=returnUrl; | 05:37 |
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| metanil | ? | 05:37 |
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| metanil | i searched both wiki and forum.. but couldn't get results. | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | the url parameter is named "returnUrl", and again, i'm not sure | 05:41 |
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| @preaction | the value would be the url you want them returned to | 05:41 |
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| metanil | hmm.. i think both proceed and returnUrl is not working.. .. its showing same page. | 05:44 |
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| @preaction | not sure it's supposed to work when logging out, but i'm pretty sure it works when logging in | 05:45 |
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| metanil | hmm.. lets try then. | 05:46 |
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| @preaction | sorry, it's "redirectAfterLogin" | 05:46 |
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| metanil | o o.. | 05:47 |
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| metanil | it should be parameter while login in right? | 05:47 |
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| metanil | not while logging out. | 05:47 |
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| @preaction | dunno if any of it works. looks like it's a session scratch, not really a url parameter. | 05:48 |
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| metanil | oops | 05:48 |
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| metanil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d48841d30 is the code which makes redirection after login .. right? | 08:09 |
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| @preaction | yes. it gets the session scratch variable | 08:10 |
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| metanil | so if i don't want redirection (or redirection to only one page) we need to modify this file OR is there exists a same thing from webgui admin console. | 08:20 |
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| @preaction | you can set the appropriate scratch variable if you want | 08:21 |
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| @preaction | i'd suggest making a macro that would set the scratch variable | 08:22 |
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| @preaction | modifications to that file would need to be maintained through upgrades, which could get annoying | 08:22 |
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| metanil | hmm.. | 08:23 |
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| @preaction | you could even make a simple, stupid macro called SetScratch that would take a scratch name and set the value. post it onto an RFE and i could probably get it into WebGUI core | 08:27 |
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| @preaction | or, at least, draw the developers' attention to the fact that there's no easy way to redirect after login | 08:28 |
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| metanil | hmm.. first i'll try it by myself. | 08:32 |
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| metanil | is the webgui configuration file is /data/WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original? | 09:07 |
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| @preaction | no, that's the original one. there should be something in there like www.example.com.conf | 09:07 |
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| @preaction | with your site name | 09:07 |
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| metanil | oo | 09:08 |
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| metanil | ya | 09:08 |
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| metanil | i did http://webgui.pastebin.com/d38e39cd but its still not working. | 09:42 |
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| metanil | i did this through macro | 09:42 |
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| metanil | it now worked!! | 09:52 |
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| BartJol | morning | 11:46 |
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| @preaction | morning | 11:47 |
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| BartJol | hee | 11:47 |
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| BartJol | maybe you know | 11:47 |
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| @preaction | oh i expect i might | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | do you know the policy of the version management on the translation server | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | when it is replaced | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | what version it is currently | 11:48 |
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| @preaction | it's taken out of SVN HEAD | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | from what i understand | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | maybe it's current beta / testing | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that sounds more accurate, current beta / testing | 11:49 |
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| BartJol | ah, mmm | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | it's running on plainblack.com | 11:49 |
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| BartJol | yes | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | let me finish this ugly SQL statement and i'll check for real | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | ok | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | thanks | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | it also might be usefull to have a banner "currently we are translating WebGUI version x.x.x" you don't see the version even in the html or the exported tar | 11:52 |
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| BartJol | or maybe you can, I'm quite stupid you know | 11:52 |
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| @preaction | writing an SQL query that can extract text from HTML is not fun. but it's even worse when the HTML is not well-formed or valid... | 11:53 |
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| BartJol | is that why you are up so late? | 11:53 |
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| BartJol | or are you watching the pre-elections? | 11:54 |
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| @preaction | that's why i'm up so late | 11:54 |
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| BartJol | can imagine | 11:54 |
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| @preaction | 12 hours watching a long migration script run multiple times to fix bugs, and now a couple hours fixing bugs in a different client's SQLReports that I wrote to make RSS feeds | 11:55 |
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| @preaction | lesson learned number 1) Don't force SQLReports into doing things it can't handle | 11:55 |
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| @preaction | 2) Don't let anyone tell you "We only want this." They don't know it yet, but they want more. | 11:55 |
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| BartJol | sound familiar | 11:55 |
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| BartJol | especially #2 | 11:56 |
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| @preaction | can't go back now though, the original spec was for something that wouldn't even do what this SQLReport does :( | 11:56 |
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| BartJol | but does it have to extract from html documents or from generated html? | 11:59 |
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| BartJol | not that i can help you with this... sorry | 11:59 |
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| BartJol | just moral support: those bastard customers! | 12:00 |
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| @preaction | it extracts from html that's copy/pasted into an HTMLArea, i could've swore i cleaned it up some, since there were already problems with bad markup, but apparently not enough | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | but no parser that i know of can make bad html into well-formed html | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | anyway, the i18n editor pulls from /data/WebGUI, so it's the same webgui that plainblack.com is running | 12:03 |
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| @preaction | that's where the template comes from, the files are saved outside of that and then committed to SVN | 12:03 |
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| BartJol | ah, ok, that's nice to know | 12:03 |
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| BartJol | so each upgrade of plainblack also updates the translation server | 12:04 |
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| BartJol | is there a possibilty that we can get a notification before pb.com is upgraded? | 12:04 |
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| @preaction | in essence, yes. there will be new variables to edit, if any | 12:05 |
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| @preaction | pb.com is upgraded immediately before every WebGUI release | 12:05 |
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| @preaction | so if you know when the release is, you know when pb.com is being updated | 12:05 |
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| BartJol | ah, just keep checking the forum, irc aand website | 12:06 |
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| @preaction | or use your RSS reader to subscribe to the plainblack.com newsfeed, or the webgui.org newsfeed | 12:06 |
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| BartJol | ah, that might be wise | 12:07 |
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| BartJol | thanks | 12:07 |
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| @preaction | np | 12:07 |
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| BartJol | good luck with the sql rreport | 12:09 |
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| BartJol | and don't forget to sleep | 12:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Were any webgui sites effected by this weekends injection attacks (I would assume no)? | 16:51 |
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| bartjol | not as far as I know, everything seems to be ok here | 16:56 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: the problem is that there aren't enough whackos | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | are you referring to tbb? | 19:35 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | well if all whackos are as good as you, i'll take 10,000 please | 19:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm an off-the-curve whacko | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | few are as whacked as me | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | except for you | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | every time i think about contributors i think, how do i get more colins | 19:39 |
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| perlDreamer | tuba playing church webmaster perl bigots are rare | 19:41 |
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| perlDreamer | especially chip designers who have crappy jobs with lots of spare time for daytime hackery | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | so true | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | maybe there are others where you work | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, there's a python bigot across the hall | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | And one guy who builds cars from scratch | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | (not at work) | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | i could send you some t-shirts, gooeys, and wg stickers so you can start a covert webgui contributors group where you work | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | they don't have to be coders | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll start with Tim and Peter! | 19:45 |
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| @rizen | article writers, template designers, documentation writers, etc are all welcome | 19:45 |
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| @rizen | must go get food now | 19:45 |
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| -!- rizen is now known as rizenishungry | 19:45 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know man | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Eating is the number one contributor to obesity | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Causes gas | 19:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Think of how your water bill would shrink if you could throw away that toilet | 19:47 |
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| perlDreamer | medical studies have shown that a lower metabolism (caused by reduced food intake) extends life | 19:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Yay, all I have to do is ad a method for the drag and drop reorder of questions and the questions should be mostly done in the survey. Then cut and paste a lot of code for the questions. Do the survey load and survey save. And then I'm mostly done with the survey edit part of the project. And since the WebGUI and survey display should be more like normal CGI dev, it shoudl go fast. Maybe by Friday this thing can be in Alpa :D | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | people won't ever run a test suite on a production database, right? | 20:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | /for the questions/for the answer types/ | 20:10 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:14 |
| nuba | perlmonkey2: eating less, working out.. jeesh! | 21:22 |
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| nuba | weirdo | 21:22 |
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| nuba | oops, that was for perlDreamer | 21:22 |
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| -!- rizenishungry is now known as rizen | 21:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | yeah, I do the opposite. | 21:22 |
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| nuba | yeah, eating out, working less, sounds much better ;) | 21:34 |
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| perlDreamer | works for me :) | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I love Test::Deep | 22:56 |
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| nuba | deep love? | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | deep test love | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | It provides a way to check that an element in a data structure is a number along with a fudge factor | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | so that it makes it easy to compare times | 22:58 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5253 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm t/Session/Id.t): | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add a method that returns the regexp used to validate generated GUIDs. This should | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: prevent the regexp from proliferating all through tests and code. | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Also, add a test for the method, which just checks that it returns a regexp. | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: Hey buddy, got your ears on? What's your 10-20? | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been looking at PassiveProfiling and wondering how bad the impact would be of using getLineage instead of the SQL query in addPage | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest89: what's up? | 23:11 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, don't make the switch | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | it will be worse | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | ok | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been reading WGBP and thinking a lot about encapsulation and DRY | 23:20 |
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| * perlDreamer solemnly swears not to let the air out of wG's tires. | 23:21 |
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| wgGuest11 | Hello everyone | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: Hello | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you have a question to ask | 23:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | I do | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, let's have it, man! | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Don't be shy | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Sail it on out here. | 23:25 |
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| wgGuest11 | For some reason typing from IE it's extremely slow, so please bare with me | 23:25 |
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| wgGuest11 | In our company, we have users authenticating via NT domain. Can NT authentication be added to WebGUI 0.8.0? | 23:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes, but it would take a custom Authentication plugin | 23:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Also, WebGUI is at version 7.4.xx, the WRE is at 0.8.0 (and currently at 0.8.1) | 23:29 |
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| wgGuest11 | you can tell I'm new to this | 23:31 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not a problem. | 23:31 |
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| perlDreamer | We were all new at one point | 23:31 |
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| wgGuest11 | Is there any custom plugin created? That you know of. I thought I saw something about that on the forum but for version 6 | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | version 5 had one | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | called SMB auth | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | but it would need to be rewritten | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | to match the 7.x auth system | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | it used to be included in webgui, but everyone ditched NT domains for active directory domains a long time ago, so we got rid of the module | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | well, almost everyone :) | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 23:33 |
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| wgGuest11 | What can you suggest I do? I not a programmer. Experts-exchange? :) | 23:34 |
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| @rizen | hire plain black to make it | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | experts exchange likely won't help you becaue they aren't familiar with webgui | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | you need to hire a webgui specialist | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer consulting might be able to help you out too | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I've heard that perlDreamer consulting is booked up through mid February with Commerce and Book work | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, Plain Black knows the Auth stuff inside and out | 23:40 |
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| wgGuest11 | Do you any idea how much something like that would cost? | 23:57 |
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| --- Day changed Wed Jan 09 2008 |
| * perlmonkey2 thinks .oO(If you have to ask) | 00:00 |
| nuba | maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em | 00:02 |
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| nuba | :D | 00:02 |
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| wgGuest11 | "maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em " Don't scare me please. | 00:04 |
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| wgGuest11 | :) | 00:04 |
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| nuba | hehe | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: it would take a while to look at, but offhand/unofficially/don't quote me I would say it would be several k$ as an outer bound. | 00:08 |
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| nuba | myself, i can ensure you, and you can quote me on that, that zero dollars will certainly be a lower bound :) | 00:09 |
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| wgGuest11 | 2 , 3 , 4? I just need to have an idea if it's worthless or if I should wait until we migrate to AD. Also, can LDAP be used with NT? Maybe using OpenLDAP? | 00:09 |
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| nuba | i think there's no chance they'll ask for less than zero dollars | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | "or less than zero dollars " ???? | 00:10 |
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| nuba | sorry im feeling a bit comic today. thats what happens when mathematicians act funny. | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | don't confuse me more. As a latino, I'm already confused enough. | 00:11 |
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| nuba | cool, where are you from? | 00:12 |
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| nuba | im from Brazil, but I wouldn't say we are inherently confused | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest11 | PR but live in FL | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest11 | I know nuba... :) | 00:14 |
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| nuba | so, wgGuest11, this channel is mostly a hangout place for people in the webgui community, | 00:15 |
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| nuba | some plainblack staffers are around, but im not sure this is the best place to get a quote from them | 00:15 |
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| nuba | if none of them replies, your best bet is calling them or sending an email, contacts should be easy to find at the website | 00:17 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If I weren't so busy, I would offer to do it for 1 million dollars. | 00:18 |
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| wgGuest11 | you are mean | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Just betting, I'd say somewhere between 2-4$ | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | I was just trying to get a freebie :) I noticed there was something already created for version 6 and I figured why not to ask. | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | Can anyone suggest a good starting point to learn Perl? | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | perlbot learn perl | 00:21 |
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| perlbot | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ | 00:21 |
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| perlDreamer | go Haarg! | 00:22 |
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| perlDreamer | He's famous now. | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | uhoh | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest11 | perlbot learn perl, a book? | 00:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | never mind | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Learning Perl, by Randal Schwartz is a good book to use to learn perl | 00:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | how about the blackpearl | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | I've heard that's good, too, but unless you're a programmer, you may want to start down a notch or two. | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | the perl black book is what JT always recommends, but I prefer Learning Perl and Beginning Perl | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | Learning Perl is for those who know how to program and want to learn how to do it in Perl. Beginning Perl is for those who don't know how to program | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | BP taught me how to program, for that matter | 00:26 |
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| wgGuest11 | I started school in Computer Science and then moved to Networking. I know basic of C++, VB .net | 00:27 |
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| nuba | you can throw in Mastering Algorithms in Perl, too, if you want to increase the computer science content of your perl studies | 00:28 |
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| @preaction | if you know programming concepts already, Learning Perl and Programming Perl (the llama and the camel) are probably your best bets | 00:28 |
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| wgGuest11 | http://www.perl101.org/ | 00:29 |
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| wgGuest11 | Cool, guys, thanks a whole lot for your help. Take it easy | 00:29 |
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| nuba | talking about books, anyone reading MJD's Higher Order Perl? | 00:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | nuba: Actually that reminds me. I ordered that like a month ago and it never showed up | 00:30 |
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| wgGuest11 | need books, www.ebookee.com :) | 00:30 |
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| nuba | i've just started on it and its good so far | 00:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The new surveys will be made up of sections of questions. Can anyone think of any options a section shoudl have besides randomizing the questions it contains? | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | required / optional? | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | timed? | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | (just brainstorming here, up to you of course) | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | the qeuestions themselves have optional options.....I wonder if that should be settable in the section to make it global....I like it. | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | probably need a "description" | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | not sure what to do about timed...... | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | yeah, timed might be far more trouble than its worth | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I have a header text, which will all a text to come before a new set of questions. you can have empty sections to have a page just of text seperating questions. | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | it'd need a JS timer that would submit with the questions | 00:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: perhaps a little simpler? Just have the timestamp of when the survey was opened and compare the the latest question submission. If time has run out, post "so sorry", if time has not ran out, post normally but with the "time left" data posted for the JS to display. | 00:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But that might be a survey wide attribute rather than sections.....but I like the way you're thinking. | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | right, but then you run into the problem where they don't get to submit what they've completed | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | pm2 the second option is probably better | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | and can't be cheated | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | a la standardized testing | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | sections might have section pointers | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | i suppose a message, or a periodic submit after questions. perhaps "timer" should be a global thing | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | like after you've completed this section, what section do you go to next | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | save your progress every once in a while | 00:41 |
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| perlmonkey2 | sections will go in order, but question answers can be dragged onto questions in other sections. So you can have three questions in S1 that go to S2, S3, S4, depending on the answer. | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | people seem to like colors too | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | maybe sections should have a color | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | i have no idea why or how you'd apply that | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | sorry, just spewing nonsense | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I mean three answers in S1Q1 so S1Q1A1 goes to S1 etc. | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | i'll stop now | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I like the color idea....in the edit screen was going to make sections a different colored bar in the questions div. | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html only new question does anything for now. | 00:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | also, something is wrong with it in opera....haven't diagnosed. | 00:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll really need your graphics guy. I keep moving the buttons around but can't find a layout I like. | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | he's back from vacation | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | did you email him? | 00:46 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The questions div could grow to hundreds in size. Answers will probably have an upper bound of 20. So there could be a situation where a person has to scroll waaay down to click on a question to edit, then scroll waaay back up to edit it in the edit box. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That will be party solved by sections being clickable so that they hide all the questions in them. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | not yet. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but I will tonight | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | nice fix | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | i like that, the closing sections thing | 00:50 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Sorry, work. | 01:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but yes, I hated the idea of hundreds of questions scrolling down forever, so the "tree"-ish sections idea pretty much solves it. | 01:24 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll email your guy when I get home (I don't use my personal email at work). | 01:25 |
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| nuba | any recommendations for javascript debugging? besides firebug.. | 02:02 |
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| @apeiron | nuba, I've been using Firebug in tandem with the Web Developer plugin. | 02:03 |
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| @apeiron | Although I imagine someone else here probably has a better suggestion. :) | 02:03 |
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| nuba | im using both here too | 02:06 |
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| nuba | thx anyway, lets see if someone else posts something else.. | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan_ | in the 0.8.0 addsite script, when it calls $site->create(), it sends parameters named "siteDatabaseUser" and "siteDatabasePassword" but then the create sub looks for params named "databaseUser" and "databasePassword". Is it changing the name somewhere or am I looking at the wrong thing? | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm looking at the SVN version, and it's exactly the same there | 02:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd say it's a bug | 02:44 |
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| perlDreamer | good catch! | 02:44 |
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| cap10morgan_ | ah, i see :) | 02:46 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5254 /WebGUI/t/PassiveProfiling.t: beginning to write tests for PassiveProfiling. This is so I can learn how to test Asset->logView | 02:48 |
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| metanil | the name of the template is "style 03" with URL "style_03" .. but the body is referencing "style3/*****.jpg".. | 07:11 |
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| metanil | where is folder "style3".. how can i change that jpg file? | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | there may not be a folder with that url | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | remember, in WebGUI URLs are decoupled from physical organization | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | so then you ask, "Well, how am I supposed to find it?" | 07:12 |
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| metanil | yes exactly | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | in admin mode, if you go to that URL, you should get an editing bar for the image, or the edit form | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, changing default wG components isn't recommended, since an upgrade could undo your work | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's probably better to make a copy and work on that instead | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | but then he has to change every asset to use his new style | 07:13 |
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| metanil | copy means creating another template right? | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:13 |
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| metanil | yes i did that. | 07:14 |
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| metanil | thats why.. the new template is referecing the old image. | 07:14 |
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| metanil | :D | 07:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the name of that thing that lets people edit assets hierarchically? | 07:14 |
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| metanil | what should be name of new 'style3/***.jpg'? | 07:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | anything you want | 07:14 |
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| metanil | as style3 will reference to old want.. | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | Edit Tree, or Edit Branch or something | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | there's also a nice wiki article on how to do just about everything to create your own style | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, my brain is shot tonight | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | eh, i'm working on 16-hour-day number 2 | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did something like that once, 16 hour days, 7 days/week for 3 months | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | 8 doing normal work and 8 doing things that will make my normal work easier and more efficient | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | It was nuts | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | jeesus. i couldn't manage that for more than 3 weeks | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's a little easier with a wife, aside from not seeing her and my boys, since she can do laundry and cook food | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we vowed to never do that again | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | ever | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | so take it easy on yourself | 07:17 |
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| @preaction | ah, remind me to get my live-in girlfriend to start doing her fair share ;) | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise, I'll have to come out to Wisconsin and chew you out | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | you'll like what i'm making, trust me | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm patient, I can wait a few more days for it | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | oh, btw, did you want your own branch? for anything? | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | not right now | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | k | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty tied up with writing a book chapt
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