WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-03.log

--- Log opened Sat Mar 01 00:00:00 2008
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wgGuest79	ok	00:00
+perlDreamer	Does it say that in the docs for WebGUI::Group.pm ?	00:00
wgGuest79	i am going to look for the method	00:00
cap10morgan	i see	00:01
wgGuest79	in WebGUI::Group.pm there is not a create method	00:01
estiven	in WebGUI::Group.om doesn't exist a create method.... i can't find too	00:04
estiven	Can't locate object method "create" via package "WebGUI::Group" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/.....	00:07
wgGuest79	so, where is that method?	00:08
estiven	mm, i don't know...	00:08
@rizen	WebGUI::Group->new($sesion, "new")	00:08
@rizen	my $newGroup = WebGUI::Group->new($ssesion, "new");	00:09
@rizen	it's a very old api so it doesn't conform tot he same specs as our other objects	00:09
estiven	WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[430] - WebGUI::Group->new called with a non-existant groupId:[prueba]	00:10
wgGuest79	perlDreamer wrote that new pull an existing group	00:10
@Haarg	you have to pass in 'new' as the second parameter to create a group	00:12
+perlDreamer	perlDreamer has seen too much API recently	00:13
estiven	mm, i try it	00:14
estiven	yes works...	00:19
estiven	my $g = WebGUI::Group->new($session,"new");	00:19
estiven	$g->name("prueba");	00:19
estiven	thanks	00:19
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan: it's in	00:20
+perlDreamer	svn rev 5687	00:20
+perlDreamer	Interception of logging now has to be enabled.	00:20
cap10morgan	perlDreamer: cool. does it go to webgui.log o/w?	00:21
+perlDreamer	yes	00:21
cap10morgan	excellent, thanks for doing that	00:21
+perlDreamer	you're welcome	00:21
+perlDreamer	it could use some polish	00:21
+perlDreamer	the queue is a scalar, so it's only one call deep	00:21
+perlDreamer	and as it stands, there's no way to turn it off once enabled	00:21
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5687 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Fix how logging gets intercepted. It used to be on by default, now it must be turned on.	00:27
+perlDreamer	has anyone else noticed that the SVN RSS feed is from 1969	00:28
@preaction	it's probably not sending out the pubDate field.	00:29
cap10morgan	Haarg: can I clone your WebGUI git repo?	00:29
@Haarg	heh	00:29
@Haarg	i should put it somewhere	00:29
@Haarg	it's a pain to do the initial import	00:29
cap10morgan	yeah, that's what i'm discovering :)	00:29
@rizen	Haarg, if you do that make sure that it doesn't expose your user/pass or privileges to anyone	00:37
@Haarg	it doesn't store than in the repository	00:37
@Haarg	it just goes in the same place svn auth stuff normally does	00:37
@rizen	well pd, i'm outy for the weekend, i've checked in the base address book system, still have to do the ui for it	00:37
@rizen	we made very good progress this week perlDreamer.	00:38
+perlDreamer	thanks, man	00:38
* rizen pats perlDreamer on the back		00:38
+perlDreamer	I should have the tax migration script done soon, too	00:38
@rizen	nice	00:38
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@rizen	hopefully next week we can have address book, shipping, and tax all finished and integrated into the cart	00:39
@rizen	as well as all the admin screens for each	00:39
+perlDreamer	and doesn't Joeri and crew turn on next week, too?	00:39
+perlDreamer	we may make the deadline, yet!	00:39
@rizen	march 5th i think he said the current project is done	00:40
@rizen	we'll make the deadline	00:40
@rizen	that's not in question	00:40
@rizen	the question is how much other goodies can we throw in by then	00:40
+perlDreamer	:)	00:40
@rizen	have a good weekend all	00:41
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cap10morgan	Haarg: do you remember the git svn init command you used to pull in the WebGUI SVN repo? :)	00:44
cap10morgan	I'm thinking of doing git svn init -t releases -b branch -T WebGUI https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack	00:49
cap10morgan	here goes nuthin...	00:50
nuba	rizen> \| nuba you too	00:54
+perlDreamer	rizen had a question about addressing	00:54
nuba	was that re: multiple line addresses ? if yes, I think they're good :)	00:54
@Haarg	that's basically it cap10	00:54
cap10morgan	Haarg: cool, thanks	00:54
+perlDreamer	I think the exact question was whether one line or multi-line addresses would be difficult for interational users	00:55
nuba	blist	00:55
nuba	oops, wrong window	00:55
nuba	well, its unusual in Brazil to spell the entire address in a single line	00:56
@apeiron	bitlbee++	00:56
nuba	apeiron: heh yeah	00:56
nuba	bitlbee is great, except when it goes runaway an 99% CPU...	00:57
nuba	and*	00:57
@apeiron	I don't seem to have that problem, heh.	00:57
nuba	lucky you, it happens to me every few weeks or so.	00:58
nuba	and Im too lazy to go find out why	00:58
@apeiron	Well, I don't notice it if it does... FreeBSD's scheduler doesn't actually let a process eat 100% of the CPU time.	00:59
nuba	trust me, you'll notice.	01:00
@apeiron	I've sat and watched processes labelled as "100%" in top and the system was perfectly responsive. :)	01:01
nuba	one notices when all buddies are silent for more than a day	01:01
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5688 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (6 files in 3 dirs): added address book management system, no ui	01:01
nuba	heh, another thing one notices is the productivity boost	01:04
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html	01:17
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@Haarg	this is better for working with git-svn: http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html	01:30
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5689 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.2-7.5.3.pl:	01:43
CIA-21	WebGUI: Migrate old tax data into the nex tax data script.	01:43
CIA-21	WebGUI: Tested this manually and it works okay.	01:43
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CIA-21	WebGUI: arjan * r5690 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm: fix: Wiki links to pages in trash (Arjan Widlak/United Knowledge)	03:34
CIA-21	WebGUI: arjan * r5691 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updated changelog: Wiki links to pages in trash (Arjan Widlak/United Knowledge)	03:51
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5692 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/designdocs/shipper.pod:	06:20
CIA-21	WebGUI: I was able to build Shop::Ship without _loadDriver by	06:20
CIA-21	WebGUI: using WebGUI::Pluggable directly.	06:20
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wgGuest85	speck french ?	07:09
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5693 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): placeholder for calculate in Shop::Tax.pm	07:17
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CIA-21	WebGUI: doug * r5694 /branch/doug-experimental: Removing my experimental branch since I can't seem to merge with HEAD	22:21
CIA-21	WebGUI: doug * r5695 /branch/doug-experimental: Re-making my experimental branch because SVN hates me	22:21
@apeiron	No, no, it's CVS that hates you. It even tells you so.	22:41
@preaction	then why wouldn't svn let me merge in the YUI changes to my branch?	22:41
@preaction	you	22:41
@preaction	YOU	22:41
@preaction	YOU'RE THE ONE WHO UPGRADED YUI	22:41
@apeiron	Yep.	22:41
@preaction	that means it's clearly entirely your fault	22:42
@apeiron	Or you should have synced more frequently.	22:42
@preaction	it was only 40 revisions	22:42
@apeiron	Hmm. What were your changes, anyway?	22:43
@preaction	none. or do you mean what was i doing in my branch?	22:44
@apeiron	In your branch.	22:45
@preaction	my Report asset, planning on some backwards-compatible improvements to the Asset API	22:46
@preaction	the Calendar List View was in there until I merged it into HEAD	22:46
@apeiron	meep.	22:46
@apeiron	er, did my YUI update wipe out those changes?	22:46
@preaction	no, i got what i needed out and then destroyed the branch and recreated it	22:47
@preaction	i couldn't commit the merge	22:47
@apeiron	Conflicts, I imagine?	22:47
@preaction	resource was out-of-date, but svn up did nothing	22:47
@apeiron	fun.	22:47
@preaction	indeed	22:47
@preaction	http://www.netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASNVPlus.aspx <- thinking of scoring me one of these babies	22:48
@preaction	even though they're $900 w/o disks	22:48
@apeiron	Pretty nice. I was looking at a similar toy on the Apple site. Will link if I can find it.	22:49
@apeiron	The 1TB Time Capsule, if you're familiar with it.	22:49
@preaction	i remember back in the day when 40GB was "You'll never fill it up".	22:49
@preaction	i've seen it, yes	22:49
@apeiron	http://xrl.us/bgzv8 (Link to store.apple.com)	22:49
@preaction	it'd go great on-top or under the new mac mini	22:50
@preaction	incidentally, if you're ever going to buy one, don't skimp. get the biggest one you can	22:50
@apeiron	Oh, yeah, of course.	22:50
@preaction	apparently mine isn't powerful enough to decode h.264 video	22:50
@apeiron	Oh, the minis.	22:50
@apeiron	I thought you meant a NAS.	22:50
@preaction	even though Apple recommends a 1.8Ghz	22:50
@preaction	oh, no	22:50
@apeiron	I've been looking at them.	22:51
@apeiron	Right now I have an ancient 233 MHz box running a buncha stuff on the network.	22:51
@apeiron	It's got the keyboard, got the monitor. The Mini would far surpass it in all of its stats.	22:51
@preaction	oh yeah	22:52
@apeiron	I'm actually seriously looking into going to school right now, so it may wait.	22:52
@apeiron	Online learning, of course.	22:52
@preaction	the time capsule does seem pretty awesome, it's a hub, print server, and all sorts of stuff to improve the Mac Mini	22:53
@apeiron	Oh wow, it's a base station.	22:53
@preaction	yeah	22:53
@apeiron	I totally missed that.	22:53
@preaction	that + maxed out mini = $1700, which is pretty good for the capabilities	22:54
@apeiron	I might also do the Mini thing so I have an actual desktop.	22:57
@apeiron	(as opposed to endless Unix workstations)	22:57
@apeiron	Going to school, especially online, I'm going to need to be able to do stuff like Office and Flash and all of that fancy stuff. Much as I'd like to claim otherwise, the free tools just aren't up to par yet.	22:58
cap10morgan	Haarg: when you try to checkout a new branch in your wG git repo, does it give you this error: fatal: Untracked working tree file 'www/extras/yui/docs/YAHOO.widget.MenuBar.html' would be overwritten by merge. ?	23:06
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@apeiron	perlDreamer, Someone mentioned something on #perl that you may find amusing: You can't judge a book by its cover, but you can judge a test suite that way.	23:23
+perlDreamer	ha!	23:23
+perlDreamer	I like tht	23:23
+perlDreamer	that	23:23
@apeiron	Figured you would.	23:24
+perlDreamer	So, how do I persuade you to start writing tests? :)	23:24
+perlDreamer	A test a day keeps the perlDreamer away	23:24
@apeiron	heh	23:24
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5696 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t): add a input validation check and test for Tax->calculate	23:50
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5697 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: stub out Shop::AddressBook tests for new and create	00:16
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perlmonkey2	anyone not out at a bar?	04:23
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CIA-21	WebGUI: doug * r5698 /branch/doug-experimental/ (14 files in 8 dirs): rebuilt Asset Report. started AssetMixin and Mixin::Installable. added shells for SqlWhere and SqlOrderBy form controls	07:20
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5699 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: Address book tests for create, session, and initial data on object creation	08:01
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5700 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (AddressBook.pm Address.pm):	18:31
CIA-21	WebGUI: WBGP align Address's update method.	18:31
CIA-21	WebGUI: Remove unused variables and add some POD to AddressBook.	18:31
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+perlDreamer	BartJol: You working on a Sunday?	18:38
BartJol	not really	18:38
+MrHairgrease	he bart! you're still alive after yesterday!	18:39
+MrHairgrease	=)	18:39
BartJol	if someone needs some help, I'm just at home and my roomate will cook	18:39
BartJol	I wasn't that bad	18:39
BartJol	just not in a party mood	18:42
+perlDreamer	rizen is not going to be happy	18:48
+MrHairgrease	is he ever? =)	18:48
+perlDreamer	Every so often ;)	18:48
+MrHairgrease	heh	18:48
+MrHairgrease	don't tell him that. It'd make him angry	18:48
+perlDreamer	That's a recursive function	18:49
+MrHairgrease	i bet rizen hates recusrion =)	18:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5701 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 3 dirs):	18:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Fix some comment typos in t/Shop/AddressBook	18:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Add tests for WebGUI::Shop::Address	18:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Fix bugs in the upgrade script (missing city entry) and	18:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: the Address new method.	18:49
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5702 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (t/Shop/Address.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Address.pm):	19:18
CIA-21	WebGUI: Add a few more tests, and some POD to make sure that	19:18
CIA-21	WebGUI: new is known to be different from create as an instanciator	19:18
CIA-21	WebGUI: versus a constructor.	19:18
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+MrHairgrease	http://xkcd.com/378/	19:52
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+perlDreamer	real programmers use perl	20:41
+perlDreamer	who cares about the editor?	20:41
@preaction	perl programmers should use vim :p	20:43
@preaction	... so i've got an idea for AssetMixins that will allow you to add functionality to your assets with little code	20:46
@preaction	the problem is, when importing the mixin's subs to your namespace, use is called at BEGIN time, before the calling namespace's symbol table has been created	20:46
@preaction	which means import sees nothing in the symbol table	20:47
@preaction	changing "use" to a require/import works just fine...	20:47
@preaction	or, for some reason, putting the "use" after all the sub declarations works as well	20:48
+perlDreamer	sounds like the same problem that ovid's mixin.pm has	20:54
@preaction	tried putting it in a CHECK block, that didn't work either	20:55
+perlDreamer	I looked into that when I was refactoring getEditForm into HTMLForm, to try and make it a mixin that lots of code could use	20:56
+perlDreamer	but it seemed risky	20:56
@preaction	nm, putting require/import in a CHECK or INIT block works just fine	20:58
@preaction	but not use	20:58
@preaction	it would work if i did a stringy eval 'use WebGUI::AssetMixin::Installable';	20:59
@preaction	because then it would happen at runtime and not compile time	20:59
@preaction	and though it is shorter, it's less comprehensible (Why would you use eval on a string literal when you can just do it yourself? I'll just remove the eval part and... wait, now everything's broken)	21:00
+perlDreamer	is JT taking weekends off?	21:01
@preaction	he's trying to take more time away from being "plugged-in" as it were	21:02
@preaction	in order to get more things Done	21:02
@preaction	so i would expect he's either having a gaming weekend or working on something	21:02
@preaction	now what sucks is: I have to die if I'm trying to import something that already exists in the namespace, but i'm dying at runtime now and not compile time...	21:05
@preaction	wait... then why is it saying BEGIN failed?... wtf is perl doing?	21:07
+perlDreamer	anybody have a copy of the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption" handy?	21:14
+perlDreamer	I need the address that was printed on the letters rejected by the prison system when Andy was asking for money	21:14
@preaction	he wrote to the State Senate	21:18
@preaction	of Maine iirc	21:18
@preaction	3 State House Station	21:20
@preaction	Augusta, ME 04333-0003	21:20
@preaction	of course, that's Now, but it probably would've been that way 30 years ago too	21:20
@preaction	http://www.vzavenue.net/~speedtech/ <- found the screenplay online	21:21
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@preaction	laugh... i just reimplemented Class::Trait	21:43
+perlDreamer	You're a monster	22:01
@preaction	eh, i don't understand Class::Trait, and the code I wrote is better	22:05
@preaction	but mixin works nicely	22:05
@preaction	and it handles the inheritence	22:07
+perlDreamer	why is it better than C::T?	22:09
@preaction	it probably isn't, in the long run	22:10
@preaction	or do you mean my code? my code does what C::T can't, it detects collisions and croaks	22:10
@preaction	but it does so by requiring you to use import/require instead of use	22:10
@preaction	also C::T won't work in mod_perl because it uses INIT	22:11
@preaction	the mixin pragma is better than my code, because it handles collisions by adding inheritence instead of croaking	22:11
@preaction	mixin works the way I'd expect Multiple Inheritence to work	22:11
@preaction	i'm still evaluating if mixin can actually be a viable solution	22:12
@preaction	with my AssetMixin, in order to get inheritence, you'd need to (A) override the right sub, and (B) call the fully-qualified sub from the mixin	22:13
+perlDreamer	I think people are leaning toward traits nowadays.	22:21
@preaction	okay, but how would it work under mod_perl?	22:25
@preaction	Class::Trait->initialize() in preload.perl and WebGUI::Pluggable	22:26
+perlDreamer	I don't know	22:28
+perlDreamer	I just know that perl6 encourages traits	22:28
+perlDreamer	and traits were added to p5, too	22:28
+perlDreamer	but that was a while ago	22:28
@preaction	right, but from what i'm reading about traits, isn't mixin just a simpler implementation of traits?	22:30
+perlDreamer	I'm only relating what I've heard.	22:31
+perlDreamer	I don't grok much beyond that	22:31
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+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease: How's the commerce hacking coming?	23:06
+MrHairgrease	it's pretty much where I left it last thursday	23:08
+MrHairgrease	Lemme check what I've done so far	23:09
+MrHairgrease	martin@martin:/data/WebGUI$ svn status	23:10
+MrHairgrease	? t/Shop/PayDriver.t	23:10
+MrHairgrease	? t/Shop/Pay.t	23:10
+MrHairgrease	? lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm	23:10
+perlDreamer	good start :)	23:10
+MrHairgrease	those things are prettymuch fisnished	23:10
+MrHairgrease	yeah, i took your tests and modified them	23:10
+MrHairgrease	also change/added some stuff	23:10
+perlDreamer	cool	23:10
+MrHairgrease	the additions are mostly still in TODO blocks	23:10
+MrHairgrease	and I haven't tested them yet	23:11
+MrHairgrease	but all in all not a bad result for only half a day	23:11
+perlDreamer	no	23:11
+perlDreamer	Class::InsideOut makes object pretty easy	23:11
+perlDreamer	don't have to write all those constructors	23:11
+MrHairgrease	you mean getters?	23:12
+perlDreamer	yeah, those too	23:12
+MrHairgrease	I haven't really dug into C::IO yet	23:12
+MrHairgrease	just enough to understand what you did in your shipping modules	23:12
+perlDreamer	that's all I know about it, so, as usualy	23:13
+perlDreamer	you're at least as smart as I am	23:13
+MrHairgrease	so in a way you could say that you're my mr. Myagi =)	23:13
+perlDreamer	Breathe in, breathe out	23:13
+perlDreamer	make good perl	23:13
+perlDreamer	Bansai, Martin-san bansai!	23:13
+MrHairgrease	I don't bansai	23:13
+MrHairgrease	i rock sometimes, but mostly roll	23:14
+perlDreamer	It's Japanese for "Divine wind"	23:14
+perlDreamer	wait a sec	23:14
+MrHairgrease	oh I am into divine winds	23:14
+perlDreamer	that's kamakaze	23:14
+MrHairgrease	i try to confine those to the bathroom though...	23:14
+perlDreamer	those aren't divine	23:15
+perlDreamer	they are foul	23:15
+MrHairgrease	bansi means attack or something like that i think	23:15
+MrHairgrease	you have no idea	23:15
+MrHairgrease	you never sniffed at them =)	23:15
+perlDreamer	I feel blessed	23:15
+perlDreamer	I should redo Tax and ShipDriver to use the setRow method in the db like rizen did	23:16
+MrHairgrease	setRow, is that something like setCollateral?	23:18
+MrHairgrease	I've spent way to much on hacking WebGUI lately	23:18
+MrHairgrease	I have trouble keeping up with all the new features/api things	23:18
@preaction	setCollateral uses setRow internally	23:19
+MrHairgrease	i guess you invoke it by session->db->setRow?	23:20
@preaction	yes	23:22
+perlDreamer	it's easier than writing 'insert all this crap into this table unless it exists then do update'	23:28
+perlDreamer	it's getting close to time to do a coverage check on the Shop code.	23:32
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5703 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/ (Address.pm Address.t): Rename the test. Add tests for all the other methods.	23:35
perlmonkey2	Has anyone looked at Plone's KSS?	23:46
perlmonkey2	I wonder how hard it would be to port to WebGUI.	23:47
@preaction	it seems to be all in python, so probably a bit difficult	23:50
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perlmonkey2	But an extremely cool idea.	00:06
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+perlDreamer	I think we talked about KSS earlier, but don't remember the discussion	00:47
+perlDreamer	you could check the archives	00:47
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5704 /WebGUI/t/Workflow/Instance.t:	01:14
CIA-21	WebGUI: Adding Knowmad's excellent Instance test script for exposing JSON	01:14
CIA-21	WebGUI: problems in Workflow::Instance	01:14
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@preaction	so I've got AssetMixin::Installable working. before I really consider it a success, I'm going to make Subscribable	03:21
+perlDreamer	you should make RSS first	03:21
+perlDreamer	(imo)	03:22
@preaction	ooh, i forgot about that one	03:23
@preaction	that one will be easier no doubt	03:26
@preaction	coding and baking cookies at the same time. much fun ;-)	03:26
* apeiron misinterpreted that to mean writing code dealing with cookies while also baking cookies.		03:27
@preaction	good lord... the RSSCapable mixin would basically re-implement a lot of the SyndicatedContent wobject	03:29
@preaction	so i open it up right?	03:29
@preaction	bad idea...	03:29
@preaction	theoretically... these things should work with the definition sub... i wonder...	03:39
@preaction	ha. ha ha! it works!	03:54
@preaction	I have a dream that Assets will be an amalgamation of component parts, each contributing to the whole!	03:54
@preaction	I have a dream that Assets will be as easy to create as macros!	03:54
@preaction	and I have a dream that I will stop using stupid gimmicks to try to impress people	03:55
+perlDreamer	amen, brother!	03:56
+perlDreamer	I just got done serving the kids chicken cordon bleu, mushroom tortellini with pesta and crou d'etat with hummus	03:56
@preaction	you're serious?	03:57
@preaction	that sounds awesome	03:57
+perlDreamer	you're welcome to come over for leftovers	03:57
@preaction	that's something i haven't tried to make yet, cordon bleu...	03:57
+perlDreamer	I went to the Costco school of cooking, tonight	03:59
@preaction	oh... lame...	03:59
+perlDreamer	I was impressed that they were eating real, adult-type food	03:59
@preaction	true enough	03:59
@preaction	hummus would've been enough to put me off when i was 14	03:59
+perlDreamer	they got exposed early. It was a part of a diet that I was on	04:00
+perlDreamer	and actually, it was black bean hummus, which rocks	04:01
+perlDreamer	hm	04:01
+perlDreamer	I need to write the tests that expose that other bug in the AddressBook	04:01
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5705 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm t/Shop/AddressBook.t):	04:47
CIA-21	WebGUI: More tests for addressBook.	04:47
CIA-21	WebGUI: Fixed bugs in delete and getAddresses.	04:47
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Samus_Aran	hello. I am doing an upgrade of manually installed WebGUI, following instructions on the site. when trying to restart Apache, it won't restart. the log file shows:	05:25
Samus_Aran	Can't load Perl file: /var/www/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server foo.com:0, exiting...	05:25
Samus_Aran	which exists where it did before	05:25
Samus_Aran	is this just a matter of overwritten config files in the etc ?	05:26
Samus_Aran	(I backed them up before untarring the new one)	05:26
@preaction	try perl -c preload.perl to find out why it's not loading	05:28
Samus_Aran	it says it can't find WebGUI.pm in @INC	05:29
Samus_Aran	though nothing has moved from where the former install worked	05:29
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Samus_Aran	it didn't erase my config files in etc I notice, as the new ones are all .original	05:31
@preaction	preload.perl locates the webgui root directory. which means you had to edit that in order to use webgui. did you edit it again after you extracted the new WebGUI?	05:31
Samus_Aran	where is that set environment script ? I had run it before in this shell session, but it is no longer set	05:32
Samus_Aran	that is surely the issue	05:32
@preaction	that won't do it, and you have WebGUI in /var/www, so you aren't running the WRE	05:32
Samus_Aran	I mentioned above this is an upgrade of a manual install	05:33
@preaction	the WRE has that set environment script, so without the WRE it's not necessary	05:33
Samus_Aran	I thought it was necessary to tell it where you did install it to ?	05:34
Samus_Aran	I don't quite remember, but I thought I updated it	05:34
@preaction	setEnvironment is for the WRE so that saying "perl" will give you the WRE's perl and other things. it adds library directorys, preloads, and such. it's for the WRE	05:35
@preaction	preload.perl, one of the first lines in there sets the $webguiRoot variable. you need to change what that gets set to	05:35
Samus_Aran	oh. I think I updated the actual preload.perl file	05:35
Samus_Aran	just updated that, thanks	05:35
@preaction	imho it should be gleaned from an environment variable that is set from the apache configuration file, but that'd be an RFE	05:35
Samus_Aran	that sounds like a good approach	05:36
Samus_Aran	do you know if there are there any other files that need to be changed ?	05:36
* Samus_Aran goes to try Apache again		05:36
Samus_Aran	worked	05:36
@preaction	no i don't, i have my webgui at /data/WebGUI	05:36
Samus_Aran	I thought it was that setEnvironment script I updated, but it was preload.perl. will try to remember that for next time	05:36
@preaction	most things should just work. i think only preload.perl needs an absolute path, because apache doesn't and shouldn't chdir	05:37
Samus_Aran	thank you for your help	05:37
Samus_Aran	update went smoothly	05:40
Samus_Aran	*upgrade	05:41
* Samus_Aran installs Weather::Com::Finder: for the 30th time or so		05:48
Samus_Aran	why is it that every time testEnvironment.pl is run, it tries to install that module again ?	05:49
Samus_Aran	Weather::Com::Finder is up to date (1.008).	05:50
Samus_Aran	any idea why I can't click the button to choose a file to upload, in the assets window ?	06:14
Samus_Aran	it seems to be disabled	06:14
Samus_Aran	can't enter the text box to type in a name, either	06:14
Samus_Aran	hm, it works in Firefox but not Opera	06:41
Samus_Aran	strange	06:41
Samus_Aran	is there any Javascript affecting the file upload thing in Assets ?	06:41
+perlDreamer	preaction: In case I haven't said it yet. Thank you so much for the 7.4 smoke test run!	06:54
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Samus_Aran	preaction: okay, I have fully updated WebGUI to the latest release, and the issue where no images can appear is still present	06:57
Samus_Aran	preaction: is there any suggestion of where to look to solve this ?	06:57
@preaction	Plain Black Corp. offers affordable support options, if you're interested.	06:58
Samus_Aran	I am not the one in control of the budget, sorry	06:59
Samus_Aran	looking at the background-image in one of the themes, and trying to open it directly, it is just 404 not found	07:02
Samus_Aran	this one being /uploads/eA/K0/eAK0doY8-UIauq_uuHEhvA/bg1.jpg	07:02
Samus_Aran	solved it	07:04
Samus_Aran	only extras was symlinked to the main WebGUI folder, not uploads.	07:05
Samus_Aran	now I just need to figure out why all the packages I upload appear on the main page of the web site	07:05
Samus_Aran	Assets to Hide.	07:11
* Samus_Aran plays "Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence" and wanders off. Thanks for the help earlier, preaction		07:12
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lrobinson	would anybody know the best place to have a merchant account being based in the UK?	16:16
lrobinson	CDG Commerce redirected me to an affiliate - is that the best thing to go for?	16:17
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:40
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5707 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUI.pm: update_from_translation_server	17:20
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perlmonkey2	What is the template command for the URL of this asset?	17:49
@preaction	usually <tmpl_var url>	17:50
@preaction	or do you mean the ^PageUrl macro?	17:50
perlmonkey2	well, for the ajax call, I want a hidden html object to have the url to make the ajax calls to.	17:51
nuba	i think the macro wont know the URL of the asset it is being called from	17:51
BartJol	nuba-> that's right	17:51
perlmonkey2	Okay, thanks	17:52
@preaction	but when you're doing the AJAX on the survey edit form, you're on the survey's URL. you don't need to know the URL of the survey	17:52
@preaction	you can just send to ?func=ajaxDoSomething	17:52
perlmonkey2	You don't think that could ever get into trouble?	17:54
@preaction	no	17:54
perlmonkey2	good enough for you, good enough for me :)	17:54
@preaction	rather, you'd probably end up just POSTing the form with no action="", which sends it to the current URL	17:54
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@preaction	YAHOO.util.Connection.attachForm or something like that	17:55
wgGuest26	hello	17:55
wgGuest26	i have a question related to the registration	17:55
@preaction	no need to ask if you can ask, just ask	17:55
BartJol	you scared him/her preaction!	17:57
@preaction	eh, i can understand. i'm rather intimidating	17:57
BartJol	well, stop it, or I'm going to correct your English again	17:58
BartJol	:)	17:58
wgGuest26	i have some aditional information to ask in the registration and it will be stored in a select box, the thing is that when a user select one option in this select box, another box will load another information automatically	17:58
@preaction	ohnoes!	17:58
wgGuest26	is it posible?	17:58
BartJol	you can add profile field that are obligated	17:59
BartJol	fields	17:59
@preaction	right, but you can't seem to add extras like JavaScript to profile fields, not through the interface	17:59
BartJol	that will be hard, yes	18:00
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BartJol	for me, that is	18:00
@preaction	it's possible, but it'd be difficult: you'd have to modify the registration template in the correct manner to create your fields, and then have some sort of profile field with those fields' names so that the system will get the values out of it	18:00
@preaction	and this also means no way would you be able to allow the users to edit those values later	18:01
BartJol	even if these are included in the profile?	18:01
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@preaction	they have to be in the profile, there's no other way to get additional fields into the registration	18:03
@preaction	unless you're talking building a custom user registration application	18:03
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wgGuest26	i think it will be hard	18:04
BartJol	yeah, ok, but if you use another template for the edit profile than the add account template, you should be ok, shouldn't you?	18:04
@preaction	i was sure that there wasn't a template for edit profile, i think that's an RFE out there	18:05
BartJol	but then the option is always present in the edit profile screen, even when the first isn't selected	18:05
BartJol	oh, I always think there's a template for everything	18:06
@preaction	a better RFE that might work for wgGuest26's purposes is to expose the "extras" field to the User Profiling system, that way you can add id="" and onchange="" so that it would work out	18:06
BartJol	my mistake	18:06
BartJol	so wgGuest26, probably it's possible, but quite hard to do :(	18:07
wgGuest26	yes, i know	18:07
wgGuest26	i am going to try it.	18:08
BartJol	good luck	18:09
wgGuest26	thanks	18:09
BartJol	if you succeed, maybe you can post it to webgui.org	18:10
wgGuest26	ok	18:10
@preaction	indeed, just a how you did it or something	18:10
@preaction	i'm going to post the RFE about getting the extras thing exposed, which will make things like this easier in the future	18:10
@preaction	ha. Frank added it almost a year ago	18:11
@preaction	0 karma	18:11
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-extras-to-profiling	18:11
@preaction	real easy RFE, wouldn't take much karma to put it up where it gets noticed	18:12
wgGuest26	preaction, i have created a data form and one of the fields is a select box, the problem is that the posibles values are dinamic and are stored in a table in the database. I have tried to load the values using a macro but the output is always a string	18:23
wgGuest26	how can i do that?	18:24
@preaction	javascript	18:24
@preaction	or write your own WebGUI::Form::Control <- best idea	18:24
@preaction	see WebGUI::Form::SelectBox and WebGUI::Form::SelectList for ideas	18:24
wgGuest26	ok, i am going to check	18:25
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lisette	hello	18:48
perlmonkey2	Is there an example Asset reading an ajax POST you can point me at?	18:50
lisette	i have a "tell a friend", i can change "your friend adress" by a text area, and he writes emails separated by comas	18:51
lisette	?	18:51
perlmonkey2	my Wobject ajax test method is a simple "sub test{return "hello world";}" Yet in the ajax response object there is no hello world.	18:53
@preaction	ajax still calls www_ methods	18:53
@preaction	www_test perhaps?	18:54
perlmonkey2	just tried that....didn't change anything.	18:55
@preaction	you're submitting a form that has func = test right?	18:56
perlmonkey2	var request = YAHOO.util.Connect.asyncRequest('POST', '?func=test', callback, postData);	18:56
perlmonkey2	I've tried that and www_test	18:56
perlmonkey2	and still what I get back in the responseText looks like the home page.	18:57
@preaction	if it's the home page, maybe there's an error	18:57
perlmonkey2	that's what I'm assuming	18:57
perlmonkey2	but the handleSuccess callback is called.	18:57
perlmonkey2	so it is getting a return from that call. But I don't think my wobject method is being called.	18:58
@preaction	check the error log	18:58
perlmonkey2	nothing in the error log. httpd/access_log shows the ajax request though	18:59
perlmonkey2	"POST /home?func=www_repeat	19:00
@preaction	is that where it's supposed to be called?	19:00
perlmonkey2	no	19:00
perlmonkey2	but "?func=www_test"; is my url in the connection call	19:01
perlmonkey2	?func=www_test;class=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Survey is what I probably need?	19:01
perlmonkey2	must include the class?	19:01
@preaction	no	19:02
@preaction	let me dig up the big AJAX thing i did to see how i did it	19:02
perlmonkey2	okay	19:02
perlmonkey2	when I click on the save button of hte new Survey the next page is the custom edit surey page I've written.	19:02
perlmonkey2	But this is the path for that page: http://norman/home	19:03
perlmonkey2	which doens't make sense	19:03
perlmonkey2	I'm thinking a person needs to be a master of webgui to write this super duper ajax survey module.	19:03
perlmonkey2	I've killed 5.5 fully devoted days on this and I haven't finished meshing my survey code with webgui.	19:04
@preaction	ahh. i see what's happening	19:04
@preaction	proceed just calls the right sub and returns it	19:05
@preaction	it doesn't redirect the user	19:05
@preaction	so the user remains at the place they posted to	19:05
lisette	?	19:05
@preaction	let me see if there's a proceed target to redirect	19:05
@preaction	no... but you might add it	19:06
perlmonkey2	I might add it? So I need to alter the Asset.pm module?	19:08
@preaction	hang on, let me paste it	19:08
@preaction	perlbot paste	19:08
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.	19:08
@preaction	http://sial.org/pbot/30398 <- not sure if that will work exactly	19:09
@preaction	but it's the general idea	19:09
@preaction	and you'll have to URL encode your returnUrl parameter	19:09
@preaction	and you'll have to run it by JT when he gets in	19:09
@preaction	but i can't see there being a problem with it	19:10
perlmonkey2	And that goes in Session.pm?	19:11
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@preaction	no, Asset.pm	19:12
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@apeiron	Is there a way to determine, either in a macro or a form control, whether you've already sent a specific JS file via $style->setScript()?	19:21
@apeiron	(for example, to prevent dependency conflicts and the like)	19:21
+perlDreamer	setScript checks to see if you've already loaded that js	19:22
+perlDreamer	if you have, it does not generate any additional content	19:23
@apeiron	Ah, so it does.	19:23
+perlDreamer	the way to tell if that happens is to check the return value	19:23
@apeiron	So... why's it not behaving that way?	19:23
@apeiron	hmm. Maybe it's calling it differently.	19:23
+perlDreamer	if generateAdditionalHeadTags is called, it clears that check flag	19:24
perlmonkey2	preaction: would not using autogenerate let me skip all that mess?	19:24
@preaction	no, because you still need to call www_editSave no matter what	19:24
@preaction	do NOT override that method, as you will fail. it's the blackest of black magic	19:25
perlmonkey2	Poll.pm doesn't, which is really weird	19:25
@preaction	the whole add/edit/editSave/processPropertiesFromFormPost in WebGUI is both awesome and frightening	19:25
@preaction	the added redirect code didn't work?	19:26
@apeiron	Oh. Different files, not the same file. But they're interacting strangely. yay.	19:26
perlmonkey2	yes, I'm terrified that I'm not making forward progress because this Friday I need to have something done.	19:26
perlmonkey2	preaction: Okay....How about I don't have a proceed.	19:26
@preaction	perlmonkey2, then screw the proceed= for now	19:26
@preaction	yeah	19:26
@preaction	it can always be added later	19:26
perlmonkey2	After they click save, they are presented with the empty survey and they can click on something there to go to the edit?	19:27
@preaction	sounds like it'll work	19:27
perlmonkey2	in the normal admin view, clicking on edit calls getEditForm?	19:27
@preaction	calls www_edit which calls getEditform, yes	19:28
perlmonkey2	so I can just overload getEditForm to call www_editSurvey ?	19:28
+MrHairgrease	i don't think you want to do that	19:30
+MrHairgrease	gef is for the asset properties	19:30
perlmonkey2	yeah, that didn't work.	19:30
+MrHairgrease	not for collateral data editing	19:30
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, are you building a form with tabs?	19:31
perlmonkey2	no	19:31
perlmonkey2	It is the ajaxified drag and drop pop up divs survey editor page	19:31
@preaction	you could always have the normal view page redirect to www_editSurvey if and only if there is no survey yet made	19:31
+MrHairgrease	your problem is that you want to go to www_editSurvey after func=add?	19:32
+perlDreamer	I know it's too early, but I abstracted out a generic form builder for WebGUI in the WebGUI_Commerce branch	19:32
perlmonkey2	yes, but using proceed messed up the urls	19:32
+perlDreamer	HTMLForm->dynamicForm	19:32
+MrHairgrease	i take it you klnow of the proceed=editSurvey	19:32
+MrHairgrease	oh	19:32
+MrHairgrease	ic	19:32
perlmonkey2	plus, how does the user get back to the editSurvey page?	19:32
@preaction	perlmonkey2, by clicking a link that has the URL	19:32
perlmonkey2	So maybe the view page should have the editSurvey link	19:33
+MrHairgrease	yes	19:33
perlmonkey2	okay, I think that was progress.	19:33
@preaction	only for those who can edit the survey of course	19:33
perlmonkey2	yes, a tmpl var I thik	19:33
+MrHairgrease	<tmpl_if canEditSurvey><a href="<tmpl_var editSUrvey_url>"><tmpl_var editSurvey_label></a></tmpl_if>	19:35
+MrHairgrease	something like that	19:35
perlmonkey2	cool thanks	19:37
perlmonkey2	brb, looging into the laptop	19:37
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perlmonkey2	The dispaly type, when you have multiple wobjects inside of a page layout, each wobject has had its www_view called, right?	20:32
+perlDreamer	no, just ->view	20:33
+perlDreamer	I'm pretty sure the distinction is that www_view will wrap it in a style	20:33
@preaction	basically, yes	20:33
perlmonkey2	groovy	20:44
perlmonkey2	Good stuff to know	20:45
perlmonkey2	Okay, my view template creates a link to $var{'edit.survey.url'} = $self->getUrl('func=editSurvey') which is an anchor. But when I click on the link I get javascript errors which seem tobe claiming this "<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">" is the error.	21:01
perlmonkey2	I'm not even sure where to begin debugging that.	21:01
@preaction	don't use . in template variable names	21:03
@preaction	use _ instead	21:03
perlmonkey2	oh, I pulled that from the old Survey.	21:03
perlmonkey2	I really need to remember not to use it as example code.	21:03
@preaction	yeah, that's old-school	21:03
perlmonkey2	But that shouldn't the problem right?	21:03
@preaction	new-school is _	21:03
@preaction	no	21:03
@preaction	are you trying to parse HTML output as JSON?	21:04
perlmonkey2	no, this isn't in an ajax call.	21:04
@preaction	do you have a url i can see what you're seeing?	21:04
perlmonkey2	This is the link which calls www_editSurvey which loads my editSurvey template. That function used to work with proceed, but now firebug has ever js lib throwing a line 1 syntax error and pointing to the meta tag I quoted above.	21:04
perlmonkey2	preaction: yeah, but I'll hve to give you a loging with admin rights	21:05
@preaction	are the javascript src="" pointing to the right url?	21:05
perlmonkey2	they worked before	21:05
perlmonkey2	<script src="extras/yui/build/connection/connection.js"></script>	21:05
@preaction	it's relative, not absolute	21:06
perlmonkey2	<script type="text/javascript" src="extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey.js"></script>	21:06
@preaction	it needs to be /extras/, not extras/	21:06
perlmonkey2	well that is the problem then	21:06
perlmonkey2	thanks :)	21:06
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perlmonkey2	"POST /home/untitled111111118?func=www_test is what is in my logs, but the second thing the www_test fuction does is write to the log, which I don't see. And the ajax response is the home page.	21:13
perlmonkey2	This stuff is making me very disoriented and I know I'm flailing badly.	21:13
@preaction	func=www_test is wrong, func=test is correct	21:14
+perlDreamer	webgui will prepend the www_ for you	21:18
+perlDreamer	to prevent arbitrary function calling	21:18
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perlmonkey2	So in my wobject it needs to be www_test, but in the js, just test. And now, for th elife of me I can't get the new js file to load. ctrl-f5, cleared wg cache. nothing.	21:19
+perlDreamer	yes to the first, no idea about your JS reloading	21:21
perlmonkey2	Is a log for perl instantiated with the session, or do I need to create one?	21:22
perlmonkey2	maybe that is why nothing is showing up in the logs now.	21:22
+perlDreamer	it's made by the session, unless you're using an older version of WebGUI::Test for API testing	21:23
perlmonkey2	nope, latest svn update	21:23
+perlDreamer	manual testing, or mech testing?	21:23
perlmonkey2	sub www_test{my $self=shift;$self->getLogger->errror("yay, I meade it here");}	21:23
perlmonkey2	manual	21:23
perlmonkey2	I just want the ajax call to www_test to write something to the log for now.	21:24
+perlDreamer	$self->session->errorHandler->warn("Yay");	21:24
+perlDreamer	or, if you're passing it a session var, $session->errorHandler->warn("Yahoo");	21:24
perlmonkey2	POST /home/untitled111111118?func=test in the access_log but nothing in webguilog	21:25
+perlDreamer	how about error log?	21:26
perlmonkey2	my logging is apparently not set to shows warns.	21:26
perlmonkey2	but I just saw an ->error	21:26
perlmonkey2	yay!	21:27
+perlDreamer	in log.conf, that can be changed	21:27
perlmonkey2	1:30pm and I need a shot of something stiff.	21:27
+perlDreamer	try lumber	21:27
@preaction	a clue-by-four?	21:28
perlmonkey2	hah :)	21:28
+perlDreamer	friends don't let contributors hack drunk	21:28
@preaction	you've never heard of the Ballmer Peak i take it?	21:29
+perlDreamer	no	21:29
perlmonkey2	hahahahaha	21:29
@preaction	http://xkcd.com/323/	21:29
perlmonkey2	my testarea div just magically ajaxed from "what da chuck" to "word yo"....yay, now just to figure out how WG pulls POST params.	21:36
@preaction	session->form->get()	21:38
perlmonkey2	my $var .= $self->session->form->param("username");	21:38
perlmonkey2	woot!	21:38
perlmonkey2	will ->get grab both GET and POST params?	21:38
@preaction	param or process will work as well	21:38
@preaction	yes	21:38
@preaction	they get combined by Apache2::Request	21:38
perlmonkey2	I like sugar and that is certainly cugar	21:38
perlmonkey2	sugar	21:38
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perlmonkey2	get/process only returns the scalar you ask for or an array of all the params?	22:02
perlmonkey2	FormValidator->process says that, so I guess so.	22:03
@preaction	in list context, it will return a proper list, so if there are multiple name=, it will return a list of those values	22:04
@preaction	it works much like CGI->param does	22:04
perlmonkey2	I'm just being stupidly curios as I'm sure all my posts will be one data param with a json string.	22:06
perlmonkey2	Whew, I finally have JSON going both directions.....yay for progress even if it meant leaning heavily on people in IRC who have much better things to be doing than helping me.	22:18
@preaction	eh, i'm sending mail back and forth to a listserv to determine how it works. but if i hit my pop3 too hard it kicks me off for 24 hours, so i have to wait patiently	22:19
perlmonkey2	that sucks	22:24
@preaction	eh, it gives me time to catch up on email and other thing	22:24
perlmonkey2	heh	22:24
perlmonkey2	like helping perlmonkies	22:25
perlmonkey2	at least you aren't completely wasting your time, as this wobject is to be released under the GPL to WebGUI.	22:25
@preaction	exactly	22:27
@preaction	having: Gallery, Survey, Thingy, Commerce, and all the other stuff we've added to 7.5 is going to make this a HUGE release	22:27
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+perlDreamer	ignorant question: do internationalized shopping carts use English names for countries?	00:47
perlmonkey2	countries have non-English names?	00:47
perlmonkey2	:P	00:47
+perlDreamer	yeah, go figure :)	00:47
@preaction	China isn't called "China" in china, it's some kanji for "The world"	00:54
* perlDreamer starts to foresee some i18n problems with taxing and shipping		01:00
+perlDreamer	but we shall see	01:00
+perlDreamer	if you ship something to one place, but bill to another, do you use the billing address to calculate taxes?	01:03
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@preaction	yeah, that's sounds right	01:07
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Radix__	you don't calculate taxes for another country tho	01:13
+perlDreamer	no?	01:14
Radix__	no	01:14
+perlDreamer	are all these rules written down somewhere accessible?	01:14
Radix__	taxes for other countries are done by the company themselves when it's imported	01:14
Radix__	s/company/country	01:14
Radix__	no idea	01:15
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Syn1	hi there	14:25
Syn1	I've compiled WRE 0.8.3 for debian etch ia32	14:25
Syn1	sending it to upload.sf.net now	14:27
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GooeyOfSteel	Wiki: WRE Installation - Edited on 3/4/2008 6:26 am by koen http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation	14:38
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:54
estiven	Morning	16:00
estiven	i install webgui using the source... and now i want to configure my instalation as a development enviroment...	16:03
estiven	how i can do that?	16:03
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estiven	i understann that i need to change Apache2::Reload so or somting like that..	16:04
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estiven	that's rigth?	16:05
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BartJol	estiven sorry I don't know, but preaction or Radix might, but they just came in	16:25
estiven	ok, thanks	16:34
BartJol	oh I meant perlmonkey2	16:35
perlmonkey2	eh?	16:35
+Radix_	wassup?	16:35
BartJol	estiven wants to know something	16:35
+Radix_	obviously :)	16:36
BartJol	hi radix, i'm fine two weeks till my drivers exam	16:36
+Radix_	ooh.. not long now then :)	16:36
BartJol	yeah and then there's another danger on the roads	16:36
BartJol	hopefully	16:36
+Radix_	heh	16:36
ryuu_ro	Bartjol only 2 weeks time left to cruise the street safely :D	16:37
+Radix_	it's times like this that I'm glad I'm on an island :)	16:37
+Radix_	a big island, but an island nonetheless	16:37
BartJol	didn't have any accidents up till now, but with an instructor besides me that's not too hard	16:38
ryuu_ro	Hmmm I heard other stories.......	16:38
+Radix_	heh	16:38
BartJol	only one then	16:39
ryuu_ro	lol	16:39
estiven	hi	16:39
BartJol	it costed me dearly	16:39
estiven	i install webgui using the source... and now i want to configure my instalation as a development enviroment...	16:39
+Radix_	estiven: why?	16:39
+Radix_	going to write your own perl assets and objects?	16:40
estiven	because i need to restart apache for each change tha i do in my macros....	16:40
+Radix_	yup	16:40
+Radix_	k, just checking you actually need it, that's all :)	16:41
BartJol	is it necesary then? I just closed my firewall and restart it with perl wreservice --restart modproxy	16:41
+Radix_	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers	16:42
+Radix_	there's a module for apache you can install that auto-reloads or something.. but I don't know the name myself - not used it personally	16:44
estiven	mm, ok i looking for...	16:44
BartJol	but then again, I'm not a real developer...	16:46
ryuu_ro	isn't this apache::reload ?	16:46
+Radix_	yeah, that's the one	16:47
estiven	http://search.cpan.org/~phred/Apache-Reload-0.10/lib/Apache/Reload.pm	17:00
estiven	but PerlInitHandler Apache::Reload	17:01
estiven	can that create problem whit: PerlInitHandler WebGUI directive?	17:02
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wgGuest32	hello	17:07
Syn1	ah rizen	17:08
estiven	Hi	17:08
Syn1	please get the compiled version of the wre 0.8.3 from uploads.sf.net before it's gone again	17:09
@rizen	did. just emailed you	17:09
Syn1	ah :)	17:09
wgGuest32	i have created a dataform with some fields, one of them is type file. the data form has the email data enabled. so when i tested i filled all the fields without problem. the message is sent to the email but i don't see the file that i attached in the message	17:11
wgGuest32	appears the id related to the upload file	17:12
wgGuest32	i don't know what is happening?	17:13
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estiven	mmm, what version of webgui do you have?	17:27
wgGuest32	i have 7.4.21	17:29
Syn1	bart, is the Dutch translation for WebGUI 7.4.26 the same as the one for 7.4.19 ?	17:35
BartJol	mmm	17:35
BartJol	well, since 7.5 came out, I didn't have to check that	17:36
Syn1	ah right	17:36
BartJol	7.4.21 is the same as 7.4.19	17:36
Syn1	you need a translation server	17:36
BartJol	i do	17:36
BartJol	see mantis	17:36
Syn1	yeah	17:36
Syn1	and I will make you one	17:36
BartJol	great	17:36
BartJol	maar jij ziet dus geen enorm grote fouten	17:37
BartJol	sorry for the dutch, wrong tab	17:37
estiven	wgGuest32 i try to reproduce your error, and i have the same result...	17:38
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wgGuest32	hello again	17:56
wgGuest32	i have created a dataform with some fields, one of them is type file. the data form has the email data enabled. so when i tested i filled all the fields without problem. the message is sent to the email but i don't see the file that i attached in the message	17:56
wgGuest32	appears the id related to the upload file	17:57
wgGuest32	someone knows what happen?	17:57
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+perlDreamer	I love it when Microsoft stabs its business partners in the back	18:44
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perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: What do you mean stab them in the back....	18:54
+perlDreamer	http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080304/tc_pcworld/143098;_ylt=Ag2sbH7oiBZhDuXTSEDJhcGs0NUE	19:06
@preaction	nice	19:09
perlmonkey2	That could be used as the definition of "stab in the back".	19:33
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@preaction	has anyone noticed that if you select some text in a rich text editor and right-click, you get the box to create a hyperlink?	20:16
@preaction	i can't seem to make it happen in IE6, FF2, or Safari 3	20:16
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perlmonkey2	Every time I edit a template, a new version is created in the DB?	20:18
@preaction	yes	20:19
perlmonkey2	I've written a script which takes a text file and loads it into the asset table. This way I can edit the html in vim. But to make it work, I'd just update the template with the newest revisionDate right?	20:20
@preaction	it automagically happens if you get WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass( $session, $assetId );	20:20
@preaction	you get the latest revision.	20:20
@preaction	then you can just $asset->update( new properties );	20:20
perlmonkey2	oh, this is like a 4 line script just to load the html file into the db	20:21
perlmonkey2	doens't use WG api	20:21
@preaction	bad idea	20:22
perlmonkey2	but never mind....something is screwed up.....when I created the template, I told it Survey and Edit for the namespace, but it created only an Edit namespace. So I changed the namespace in the DB. I thought that fixed it, but now I see like 20 versions with just Edit and only one with Survey/Edit. And apparently the one I've been updating via WG, isn't the right one. I think I need to rm -rf and start completely 100% over.	20:23
perlmonkey2	I wish the template editor in WG told you what namespace it was in and maybe let you change it.	20:23
@preaction	can't change it, but the Metadata tab shows which one it's in	20:24
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+perlDreamer	it's a bad day	20:48
+perlDreamer	Gary Gygax passed away	20:48
@preaction	yeah :'(	20:48
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: my templateFiler utility does the same thing, but it uses the API. Much safer	20:57
perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I keep getting caught up in things I don't undersand about WG. I ust need to finish the survey sysem and I can learn about the things that don't involve the Survey system later.	21:08
+perlDreamer	cool	21:09
ckotil	perlmonkey2: the template editor shows the name space in the metadata tab. but you cant change it	21:17
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perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: heh, okay, so maybe I don't want to work on ~10 different templates in the WG editor. Maybe you wouldn't mind sending that template loading script to stupidmonkey@lostokies.com ?	22:38
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/template-import-and-export-utility-for-webgui-7_3#67s1xKEeGw_ZujD9VizRZA	22:38
perlmonkey2	Thanks perlDreamer	22:41
@apeiron	heisenbugs-- # annoying, hard to track down	23:01
perlmonkey2	Okay, the template that I edit in WG, is not the template that my wobject gets when it asks for that property. Would I be messing things up badly if I just deleted everything with that assetId in template and in asset?	23:02
perlmonkey2	Dang it, I even deleted that template, created a new one, changed the wobject to default to the new assid, and I still get the wrong template.	23:04
perlmonkey2	had to create a new wobject....nevermind	23:08
+perlDreamer	wG seems really slow this week	23:44
+perlDreamer	community/dev-wise	23:44
@preaction	i feel asleep!	23:45
@preaction	wait. what's that from...	23:45
CIA-21	WebGUI: doug * r5708 /WebGUI/ (11 files in 8 dirs):	23:45
CIA-21	WebGUI: fix: GalleryAlbum and Photo were not showing correct confirmation messages on editSave	23:45
CIA-21	WebGUI: add: Ability to edit comments to Photos	23:45
CIA-21	WebGUI: add: Ability to choose which rich editor for Albums	23:45
+perlDreamer	Wizard of Oz?	23:45
@preaction	i think some engrish translation of some video game	23:47
@preaction	i worry sometimes that i'm adding too much configuration. the ability to change the rich editor for each user-facing part of the Gallery? (albums, files, and comments)	23:50
+perlDreamer	yeah, if you start to have a config as big as the CS, it's time to worry	23:50
@preaction	there are, at least, 14 templates associated with the Gallery now	23:51
@preaction	17	23:51
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+perlDreamer	I think you win	00:02
CIA-21	WebGUI: graham * r5709 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 4 dirs): new colorpicker	00:03
@preaction	yeah. it's only going to get better/worse	00:04
@preaction	i'm beating the Calendar now ;-)	00:04
@preaction	calendar and collab are probably tied	00:04
+perlDreamer	rizen: Are you still trying to water cool your computers?	00:05
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@rizen	yes i am	00:07
@rizen	i was manning the pumps from sunday at 10pm straight through until 2:30pm on monday	00:07
@rizen	it wouldn't have been so bad except that on saturday night i only got 2 hours of sleep	00:07
+perlDreamer	all plugged up now?	00:08
@rizen	the melt is mostly gone	00:09
@rizen	but it's pooling a little again...hopefully the drains thaw out soon so i don't have to keep pumping	00:09
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+perlDreamer	does this happen every winter?	00:29
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@rizen	anope	00:30
@rizen	nope only this winter	00:30
@rizen	my neighbors and i are already trying to figure out why this happened for future	00:30
@rizen	man email sux	00:30
+perlDreamer	buried?	00:30
@rizen	i had over 100 actionable emails this morning	00:30
wgGuest32	MrHairgrease, can you help me with a question?	00:31
@rizen	i've got it down to 21 but that's taken all day	00:31
@rizen	perlDreamer, i spoke to a client today about the donation asset.	00:31
+perlDreamer	cool!	00:32
@rizen	she said we should try to make it an option so you can do recurring payments	00:32
@rizen	so that brings up a potential problem	00:32
@rizen	we've already got sku's that do single payments (products)	00:32
@rizen	and some that do recurring (subscriptions)	00:32
@rizen	but does it seem feasible to do an asset that could be either?	00:32
+perlDreamer	how about a mixin?	00:33
+perlDreamer	adding subscriptions to what we need when needed?	00:33
+perlDreamer	or a trait	00:33
@rizen	but it's not the same as a subscription	00:33
@rizen	yeah, a trait was something i was thinking about	00:33
@rizen	but i know very little about aspect oriented programming	00:33
@rizen	anyway...not something i have time to talk about right now...just thought it was an interesting thing to think about	00:34
@preaction	i was doing some research the other night, Class::Trait just seems bad. mixin.pm works nicely and handles inheritence automagically	00:34
@rizen	and something to add to the todo list should we get the commerce system completed in time to have extra things	00:34
+perlDreamer	I've got my head wrapped around Cart, CartItem, SKU and Tax right now, to help build the calculate method for Tax.	00:34
@rizen	how's that coming pd?	00:35
+perlDreamer	it takes a bunch of code to handle addresses	00:35
+perlDreamer	to get an address, I need a book	00:35
+perlDreamer	so I need a book in the testing code, and another in the calculate method	00:36
@rizen	It should be as simple as my $book = WebGUI::Shop::AddressBook->create($session);	00:36
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@rizen	foreach my $address (@{$book->getAddresses}) {	00:37
@rizen	shoudl it not?	00:37
+perlDreamer	I want to pull one particular address by Id, so I'm using WebGUI::Shop::Address->new($book, $id);	00:37
@rizen	ah, we should add a utility method to $book to allow you to do $book->getAddress($id);	00:38
@rizen	that way you only have one use and one constructor	00:38
@rizen	i'll add that method now	00:38
* rizen hopes nobody notices that he's supposed to be responding to email rather than coding		00:39
+perlDreamer	I can add the method.	00:39
+perlDreamer	I'm starting to get sick, and that makes me extra cranky and lazy.	00:39
@rizen	no no, heh, i need a break from email	00:39
* perlDreamer starts Operation SmokeScreen		00:39
@rizen	ok done	00:41
@rizen	preaction: is mixin.pm something you wrote?	00:42
@preaction	no. it's in cpan	00:42
@preaction	i did write something that was a lot like a mix of the two (mixin and Class::Trait), but mixin handles SUPER:: automatically, and my code doesn't, which i believe was one of your requirements set to me for asset mixins (it be drop-and-go)	00:43
@preaction	and the mixins i've made so far are indeed drop-and-go.	00:43
@rizen	nice	00:44
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5710 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm: added utility method	00:46
@rizen	i can't wait to be back on commerce tomorrow...man today sucked	00:46
+perlDreamer	did you get the updates from over the weekend?	00:47
@rizen	reading and writing email all day is worse than manning the flood pumps for two days without sleep	00:47
@rizen	what updates?	00:47
+perlDreamer	I wrote tests for AddressBook and Address and fixed some bugs and typos	00:47
@rizen	didn't i write tests?	00:48
@rizen	maybe i forgot to check them in	00:48
@rizen	i was sure i did	00:48
+perlDreamer	that could be	00:48
@rizen	crap..i didn't...i'm sorry, i don't know what i was thinking	00:49
@rizen	thank you for covering my ass, i'm sorry you had to do that	00:49
+perlDreamer	No problem. Didn't you just write some code for me?	00:49
@rizen	i hardly think that 1 method is equiv	00:49
@rizen	but point taken...we're working together	00:49
@rizen	ok better get back to email to see if i can finish this up before the end of the day	00:50
+perlDreamer	good luck :)	00:51
wgGuest32	MrHairgrease, can you help me with a question?	00:51
+perlDreamer	wgGuest32, MrHairgrease is in Europe, he's probably asleed	00:54
@preaction	wgGuest32, but if you ask the channel, perhaps someone else can help you	00:56
wgGuest32	perlDreamer, do you know why the sql form doesn't have incluided the select box in the manage field types?	00:56
+perlDreamer	No. That may have been a decision in the original design.	00:57
wgGuest32	but i think it is a esential field form	00:57
@rizen	wgGuest32 do you want to argue that you think it's super important, or do you just want to request that it be added as a feature?	00:58
wgGuest32	i want to incluied it by myself	00:59
wgGuest32	is it difficult?	00:59
@preaction	shouldn't be too bad. i thought there was either a list, or it uses "profileEnabled" to decide	01:00
+perlDreamer	if you do the programming, you should submit your patch as an RFE. It could be included back into the core.	01:01
+perlDreamer	preaction: last time I checked, no	01:01
+perlDreamer	it's manual	01:01
@preaction	ah	01:01
@rizen	unfortunately it wasn't written to just plug in the form controls that are plugged in to webgui	01:02
@rizen	that's one of the reasons it's being removed and replaced by Thingy	01:02
wgGuest32	ok, thanks for your advices	01:03
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+MrHairgrease	fwiw, when i worte the sqlform the form controls weren't pluggable yet as far as i can recall	01:08
+MrHairgrease	also there was only selectBox and not selectList (or the other way around)	01:08
+MrHairgrease	that's why only one is in the list	01:08
@preaction	ah	01:09
+MrHairgrease	oh and btw, i'm not yet asleep	01:09
+MrHairgrease	but that won't be the case for very long	01:09
@preaction	i'm still leaning towards making GalleryFile into an AssetMixin, not a asset to subclass	01:09
@preaction	wait, nm, won't work.	01:09
@preaction	WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile it is	01:09
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: where do you live?	01:54
perlmonkey2	oklahoma	01:59
perlmonkey2	oklahoma city	01:59
+perlDreamer	how much sales tax do you pay?	02:00
perlmonkey2	I hve no idea	02:00
perlmonkey2	8%	02:02
perlmonkey2	why do you ask? plan on moving?	02:03
nuba	perlmonkey2: now, bank account number, with pin, please? ;)	02:04
perlmonkey2	753409363453422 9011	02:04
+perlDreamer	I need semi decent tax data for testing	02:04
perlmonkey2	then what did you need my account number and pin for?	02:05
@preaction	now, i need you social security number and mother's maiden name	02:05
+perlDreamer	that was nuba	02:05
+perlDreamer	He'd like to borrow some money	02:05
+perlDreamer	and probably already has :)	02:05
nuba	done. thx!	02:05
perlmonkey2	988-37-2256 Simpson.	02:05
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perlmonkey2	you sure it is a good idea to put out my info on irc?	02:06
nuba	its a great idea!..... ...not!	02:07
perlmonkey2	just not for me :)	02:07
perlmonkey2	brb	02:07
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nuba	perlmonkey2: i hope you didnt really posted any sensitive info here	02:10
perlmonkey2	hah....I wondered if I was pretending to be too ignorant and had worried anyone. No, I didn't, but thanks for checking.	02:10
perlmonkey2	I just hope I didn't actually post anyones real information	02:11
nuba	theres the channel regulars, who are all "good people", but the channel's logs are crawlable and indexable ....	02:11
@preaction	hey, if you type your plainblack password it shows up as all 's, see: *******	02:11
perlmonkey2	and some irc bot scarfs it up, posts it to a web log, a crawler grabs it, and some eviledoodz attack someone, because I randomly picked their number.	02:11
nuba	cool, let me test...	02:11
nuba	my password is *****	02:11
nuba	whoa, it works!	02:11
+perlDreamer	hm	02:11
perlmonkey2	hah	02:11
+perlDreamer	only five characters....	02:12
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nuba	actually its 32 but for security reasons it defaults to showing only 5 stars.	02:12
perlmonkey2	my password is p@33Ow4d	02:13
+perlDreamer	preaction's must be broken, then	02:13
nuba	this reminds me of something funny, brb..	02:13
+perlDreamer	his showed 8	02:13
perlmonkey2	wait...did that show up as all *'s for you guys?	02:13
nuba	sure thing	02:13
@preaction	yup, it showed up like p@33Ow4d	02:13
nuba	5 *s	02:13
perlmonkey2	oh man...that sucks!	02:13
@preaction	why?	02:13
perlmonkey2	you said it would change my pwd to *'s	02:13
+perlDreamer	never believe anything preaction tells you	02:14
perlmonkey2	now I need to change my pwd	02:14
* nuba LOLs at such bash.org reenactment		02:14
perlmonkey2	I'm just kidding....that isn't my pwd :D	02:14
@preaction	i copy/pasted the *'s, but it shows up as your password	02:14
perlmonkey2	if you copy pasted the 's and they showed up as 's, then that sounds highly crackable.	02:14
perlmonkey2	I mean 'showed up as my pwd'	02:15
nuba	Error Message: Your Password Must Be at Least 18770 Characters and Cannot Repeat Any of Your Previous 30689 Passwords (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q276304/)	02:15
+perlDreamer	it doesn't matter	02:15
+perlDreamer	m$ stores all passwords as clear text anyway	02:15
perlmonkey2	well, given how secure the rest of MS systems are, it is perfectly reasonable to store them as plain text.	02:16
nuba	hah, good luck brute forcing 18770 chars...	02:16
+perlDreamer	corner cases are easy :)	02:16
nuba	GooeyOfSteel: check www.imaterial.org	02:17
GooeyOfSteel	www.imaterial.org Server: Apache/2.0.59 (Unix) WebGUI/7.4.25 mod_ssl/2.0.59 OpenSSL/0.9.7i mod_apreq2-20051231/2.5.7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 \| Generator: WebGUI 7.4.25	02:17
nuba	good, its still working	02:18
perlmonkey2	GooeyOfSteel: check www.lostokies.com	02:18
GooeyOfSteel	www.lostokies.com Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) \| Generator: WebGUI 7.5.4	02:18
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nuba	guess there hasnt been much action at the community wiki lately	02:20
nuba	btw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites	02:22
nuba	with some standard templates,	02:22
nuba	collab features	02:22
nuba	versioning	02:22
nuba	comments, file attachments	02:22
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nuba	some gadgets, google-docs-like interface	02:22
perlmonkey2	that starting to sound like a CMS.	02:23
nuba	yes, i think its something worth checking out	02:23
nuba	let me see what else...	02:23
nuba	subscribe to pages/site changes	02:24
nuba	site sharing can be set individually or with the entire domain	02:24
nuba	no groups, but thats probably one of the next features to come...	02:25
perlmonkey2	This shouldn't hurt WG as much as the php* crowd. The hobbyist will flock to this.	02:25
nuba	sharing categories: as owners as collaborators as viewers	02:25
nuba	you can personalize the theme, if you dont like the default ones	02:25
nuba	you can create as many websites as you want, and set that differently for each site	02:26
nuba	guess thats it	02:26
nuba	that was a quick rundown on the features	02:26
nuba	the thing with this is it isnt a standalone offering	02:27
perlmonkey2	what does that mean, that it isn't standalone?	02:28
nuba	you should look at it as part of a bundle of apps which are free for small companies, and educational or non-proit users too	02:28
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perlmonkey2	So the target audience of WG?	02:28
nuba	i was going to deploy a webgui setup for my CS department, to provide the website feature	02:28
+perlDreamer	WG usually shoots larger than that	02:29
nuba	while i have already deployed GAFYD for the mail, im, calendar, etc.	02:29
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5711 /translations/French/French/ (Asset_Navigation.pm WebGUI.pm): update_from_translation_server	02:29
nuba	both using a LDAP backend	02:29
nuba	now, it makes it harder for me to sell webgui there	02:29
nuba	im not saying "big truths" or making "big forecasts" folks	02:30
nuba	this is just a use case, mine.	02:30
nuba	i think even if this thing doesnt looks quite like webgui doesnt mean they wont compete	02:31
+perlDreamer	true, and it could grow from here, too.	02:33
nuba	see, im not rooting for one thing or another, i just thought this thing would be a nice topic to throw at the channel and discuss	02:33
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nuba	also worth of notice is that to get a GAFYD going the only thing you need to do is set the DNS	02:36
perlmonkey2	Luckily a tiny little company like Google could never hope to compete with PB.	02:36
nuba	and even that can be delayed if you dont mind demoing it with urls like http://sites.google.com/a/bcc.ic.uff.br/	02:36
nuba	instead of sites.bcc.ic.uff.br	02:37
+Radix-wrk	what have google done now?	02:37
nuba	[20:52] < nuba> \| btw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites +Radix_	02:38
+Radix-wrk	google apps for your domains hmm	02:38
nuba	nuba> \| with some standard templates, collab features, versioning, comments, file attachments	02:39
+Radix-wrk	can you plug them into a webgui site?	02:39
nuba	you can use single signon	02:40
nuba	or have both refer to a LDAP server	02:40
nuba	or even keep things separated but in sync with the provisioning/report API, which is what im doing	02:41
+Radix-wrk	$50/account/year huh	02:41
+Radix-wrk	for premium edition anyway	02:41
nuba	well all my GAFYD setups are educational and/or non-profit, so we get the premium for free	02:42
nuba	but the standard version is awesome too	02:43
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CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5712 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 3 dirs):	02:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Remove an extra my from Shop::Cart.	02:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Add the getTaxRates method to Tax, with tests.	02:49
CIA-21	WebGUI: Add some calculate code to Tax, with tests, which don't pass yet.	02:49
+Radix-wrk	Looks interesting	02:51
+Radix-wrk	can see a little overlap with webgui, but certainly wouldn't see it as a replacement	02:51
+Radix-wrk	shame you can't just plug google gadgets and apps into an existing website easily tho	02:52
+Radix-wrk	that'd be awesome	02:52
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diakopter	preaction: i'm curious if you or anyone else know if the Dashboard still works in 7.4+	03:55
@preaction	should work just fine	03:55
@preaction	if it doesn't, that'd be a bug	03:55
@preaction	it's just being called "beta" now	03:55
@preaction	because JT thinks it could be better, or needs a rewrite or something. it's subject to change	03:55
diakopter	aww. everything could be better.	03:56
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+perlDreamer	you guys don't have to leave just because I came back	04:51
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+perlDreamer	aw, ya came back	05:03
CIA-21	WebGUI: colin * r5713 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm t/Shop/Tax.t lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm):	06:03
CIA-21	WebGUI: Update the POD for Cart.pm. Return value for addItem is not items in cart, it's the	06:03
CIA-21	WebGUI: created item.	06:03
CIA-21	WebGUI: Finish up the Tax calculate method, with tests.	06:03
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CIA-21	WebGUI: graham * r5714 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm): fixed: Child assets not indicated by plus sign in uncommited tags	07:21
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CIA-21	WebGUI: graham * r5716 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.27 release	07:43
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5717 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.27-stable: Release 7.4.27-stable	08:02
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:12
ckotil	Good Morning	16:15
BartJol	Morning	16:18
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perlmonkey2	In the Survey System, question text will be able to include answers from previous questions. ie. in Q2, you could have "What do you like about <S1Q1>?" where S1Q1 is the answer from section 1 question 1. My question is, should it grab the displayed answer, the recorded answer, or add some syntax to let the user choose?	17:15
perlmonkey2	And does anyone see a problem with that scheme?	17:17
perlmonkey2	I think I'll just add some syntax to allow the designer to chose. S1Q1D or S1Q1R and have S1Q1 default to S1Q1R.	17:20
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+perlDreamer	kill -HUP perlDreamer	17:53
@rizen	noooooooo!!!!!	17:53
@rizen	i need him	17:53
@rizen	leave him alone	17:53
+perlDreamer	there are runaway processes in perlDreamer	17:53
+perlDreamer	he needs to reboot	17:53
@rizen	find a way to kill the runaways	17:54
+perlDreamer	actually, first he needs to call in sick to $dayJob	17:54
@rizen	without killing pd	17:54
@rizen	hehe	17:54
@rizen	$dayJob->call($sickness);	17:54
perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: ohnoooes, you gots teh s1kn3ss	17:57
perlmonkey2	seems like an excessive amount of funk is going around this year.	17:57
+perlDreamer	now that we've switched to Linux boxen at work, I can almost work completely remotely	17:59
+perlDreamer	but not today	17:59
+perlDreamer	just email	17:59
@rizen	everyone's got to have the sickness, cuz everyone seems to need the cure	17:59
+perlDreamer	I'm blaming nuba	17:59
+perlDreamer	he made me worry about wG future with Google building mini-CMS sites	18:00
@rizen	damn the google!	18:00
+perlDreamer	actually, that would be a cool TBB entry, talking about it	18:00
@rizen	but the people they're picking up weren't likely to be webgui customers anyway	18:00
@rizen	good idea	18:01
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perlmonkey2	rizen: that was my thought, that only the hobbyists and those who use the php* junk would be moving.	18:05
+perlDreamer	rizen: see yesterday's irc logs for the talk about it	18:06
+perlDreamer	after this line	18:07
+perlDreamer	tw guys, google apps for your domains (aka GAFYD) now features Websites	18:07
@rizen	they do allow a lot more cool dynamic stuff than any other of the free/cheap do it yourself sites	18:10
@rizen	but all the sites basically look the same	18:11
@rizen	and they certainly don't offer everything webgui does	18:11
@rizen	the super coolest thing is though that you instantly have google search on your site	18:13
@rizen	although the sites they create a pretty small i'm guessing, so that's not nearly as important	18:13
+perlDreamer	I think the killer app will be integration	18:14
+perlDreamer	integrating other google things into the sites seamlessly	18:14
@rizen	they've already got that really	18:15
@rizen	with the widget concept	18:15
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perlmonkey2	okay, I don't think I'm grok'ing javascript closures properly. But I want a single ajax object that events pass a callback closure to, which itself contains a success and failure closure. Is that not the "javascript way"?	18:19
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lisette	hello	18:33
+perlDreamer	hello	18:34
lisette	which is the module for send emails from webgui?	18:34
+perlDreamer	WebGUI::Mail::Send	18:34
lisette	and how to use?	18:36
+perlDreamer	perldoc WebGUI::Mail::Send	18:36
lisette	thanks	18:36
+perlDreamer	lisette, if you should ever find any module in the WebGUI core that does not have documentation, or has bad documentation, please file a bug about it, and it will be fixed.	18:42
+perlDreamer	We do it all the time	18:42
+perlDreamer	to try and make it easier for people to use the code.	18:42
lisette	ok	18:50
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5719 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (Tax.pm Address.pm CartItem.pm Cart.pm): added some helper methods for addressing, and got the cart closer to working	19:00
CIA-21	WebGUI: jt * r5720 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: made it use a helper method	19:00
@rizen	wow that took a long time	19:02
+perlDreamer	yeah	19:03
+perlDreamer	it's constipated	19:03
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@rizen	i'm working on the address chooser function	19:07
@rizen	so we can actually see the fruits of your tax labor	19:07
nuba	[12:29] <+perlDreamer> I'm blaming nuba	19:07
nuba	oh come on	19:07
nuba	dont shoot the messenger	19:07
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@rizen	i'm blaming nuba too, just cuz it's fun	19:08
BartJol	nuba all people here blame me, because I'm the newby and I mess things up	19:09
nuba	i blame google for making "student websites" so easy to my computer science dept and thus making it harder to sell webgui to them.	19:11
nuba	rizen: yesterday i tried shaking the channel a bit with that topic, but nobody was really excited about it	19:11
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BartJol	well have to cook	19:15
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nuba	splitty here, huh?	19:23
+perlDreamer	guess so	19:23
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perlmonkey2	axod is explaining his problems and why he's kicking 800 people off irc in ##javascript	20:09
perlDreame1	oh really?	20:12
perlDreame1	is it logged somewhere?	20:12
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GooeyOfSteel	Wiki: WRE-FAQ - Edited on 3/5/2008 12:30 pm by JT http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-faq	20:41
perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: My bad, he was talking about an irc client he has for his own server that dumped 800 users on his own irc esrver.	20:49
+perlDreamer	no sweat, dude	20:52
perlmonkey2	$self->session->id->generate() what is that generating? A unique assetId?	20:56
perlmonkey2	Let me back up	20:56
perlmonkey2	I want to know how I get the assetId of the current instance of a survey, and what I should use as my foreign key for Survey_Questions/Sections/Answers/Responses.	20:57
perlmonkey2	I would think I would use the assetId for the current survey?	20:58
+perlDreamer	$self->getId	21:02
+perlDreamer	id->generate generates a custom, base64 MD5 hash	21:02
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wgGuest25	wow.. IRC	21:02
+perlDreamer	yeah, isn't it cool?	21:02
wgGuest25	haven't been on one of these since I was like... 6	21:03
+perlDreamer	Perchance, do you have a WebGUI related question?	21:03
wgGuest25	I do... do you have webGUI related answers?	21:03
+perlDreamer	perchance	21:03
perlmonkey2	The original Survey has an assetId and then generates a new hash for the Survey_id. Is there a reason to just not use the assetId as the SurveyId (the surveyid was used as the foreign keys in the other collateral tables).	21:03
perlmonkey2	wgGuest25: perlDreamer has all the answers.	21:04
wgGuest25	alright. I have several sites that are running an OLD (circa 2003-2004) version of WebGUI, so these may sound like stupid questions because I'm not used to all this new stuff	21:04
+perlDreamer	'salright	21:04
wgGuest25	but I just set up a new server, with the latest version of (ubuntu and webgui)	21:04
perlmonkey2	congrats	21:04
wgGuest25	used the WRE, successfully	21:04
perlmonkey2	isn't it cool?	21:05
wgGuest25	i can upload photos from any section of the site, EXCEPT for the inline-editor.	21:05
wgGuest25	They just show up as broken image boxes	21:05
+perlDreamer	anything in the webgui.log file?	21:05
wgGuest25	with the WRE, does everything log to /etc/WebGUI/.... whatever?	21:06
wgGuest25	or does it break logs down into individual sites	21:06
@rizen	perlmonkey2 survey_id was a stupid thing that i should have never added	21:06
+perlDreamer	/data/wre/logs, I believe	21:07
perlmonkey2	rizen: well bare with me, as I'm apparently a slow WG learner, but then that means it is a good idea to use the assetId as the foreign key?	21:07
+perlDreamer	and (not being a WRE user myself), I'm pretty sure that all WebGUI's log to the same file	21:07
wgGuest25	no directory /data/wre/logs	21:07
@rizen	it's /data/wre/var/logs	21:07
perlmonkey2	s/bare/bear/	21:07
@rizen	pm2: yes use the assetId as a key	21:08
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: ew	21:08
perlmonkey2	groovy	21:08
perlmonkey2	heh	21:08
perlmonkey2	"NO, NO, don't take off your clothes...my eyes, my eyes....they BUUUURN!"	21:08
wgGuest25	that's more like what i'm used to seeing in IRC	21:08
wgGuest25	welcome to being 6 years old :)	21:08
* perlmonkey2 hopes to stay that way forever.		21:09
wgGuest25	haha	21:09
wgGuest25	i'm attempting to add an image now while tailing the log file	21:09
wgGuest25	main::[[undef]] - Can't make a thumbnail for a file that is not in my storage location.	21:10
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Slickware	did I stump	21:12
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@rizen	it's most likely a privileges problem	21:13
@rizen	make sure your uploads folders are owned by your apache user	21:13
Slickware	i feel like it should be too - but shouldn't the WRE have set that up?	21:13
Slickware	i don't even have apache actually installed	21:13
Slickware	i let the WRE do EVERYTHING	21:13
@rizen	it should, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a bug, or that you didn't do something correctly...there's always the chance for something going wrong	21:14
Slickware	especially with webgui	21:14
Slickware	i remember the days before the WRE :)	21:14
@rizen	what?	21:14
@rizen	webgui roxorz	21:14
Slickware	it was like installing Murphy's Law	21:14
Slickware	especially all those damn CPAN things	21:14
Slickware	"can't make, install seems impossible"	21:15
@rizen	true...hence the wre	21:16
dionak	the more powerful an application, the more chance that something can go wrong.	21:16
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nuba	heh, my first webgui install to a hosting that had no shell access, and just the core perl libs. had to use cgitelnet.pl and install to a local box having similar OS/arch, then upload and testenvironment again and again..	21:18
Slickware	ouch	21:18
nuba	early 5.x days	21:18
Slickware	hey.. i still have a 5.x server running happily :)	21:18
nuba	you'll have lots more fun with webgui as it is now	21:19
Slickware	i have to say - while I understand the idea behind clear/commit,	21:19
Slickware	i HATE it	21:19
+perlDreamer	there is an autosave/autocommit set of options in the settings	21:20
nuba	also the wre comes tweaked for webgui performance, mod_proxy and all that	21:20
nuba	its a good way to get a great setup out of the box	21:20
nuba	with little effort	21:20
+perlDreamer	rizen: more fuel for your argument	21:21
+perlDreamer	the automated test suites all run the WRE	21:22
Slickware	i won't bash the WRE	21:23
Slickware	just want to get this image upload issue fixed	21:23
Slickware	so, if i'm running ubuntu... which directories should I have to change permissions on ?	21:24
+perlDreamer	/data/domains/*	21:24
Slickware	and should they all be apache.apache	21:24
+perlDreamer	um, no	21:24
+perlDreamer	there is a webgui user for the wre	21:24
+perlDreamer	they should be owned by him	21:24
+perlDreamer	and exactly which versions of the WRE and webgui are you using?	21:24
Slickware	everything down to the uploads directory is owned by webgui	21:25
Slickware	but some of the directories IN the uploads directory are owned by webgui, group is like 42553437589	21:25
+perlDreamer	are they writable by user webgui?	21:26
@apeiron	nuba, http://sourceforge.net/projects/cgipan/ may have helped you back in those days without shell access. :)	21:26
Slickware	i believe they are	21:27
Slickware	i'm literally running whatever the latest versions are - i JUST finished installing it last week	21:27
+perlDreamer	chmod -R u+w /data/domains	21:27
+perlDreamer	and, just as a refresher, only uploads through the rich editor have problems?	21:28
@preaction	wasn't this a known issue in 7.4.25?	21:28
Slickware	yes, only through the richedit	21:28
+perlDreamer	sounds familiar	21:28
+perlDreamer	what's the exact webgui version you're running?	21:28
Slickware	how do i check now	21:29
nuba	apeiron: nice	21:29
+perlDreamer	through the UI, log in as admin, turn admin on, to go admin console, click on statistics	21:30
+perlDreamer	through the shell, look at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm	21:30
@apeiron	Slickware, grep VERSION /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm	21:30
Slickware	WebGUI Build Version: 7.4.25-stable	21:30
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+perlDreamer	Slickware, please upgrade to 7.4.26 or higher	21:30
Slickware	and apparently there is another new version out. huh.	21:30
+perlDreamer	" - fixed: rich text editor image uploads deleted immediately"	21:30
Slickware	oh jeez	21:31
+perlDreamer	there are frequent bug fixes	21:31
Slickware	is there a SIMPLE way to upgrade through the WRE?	21:31
Slickware	or do i have to download the tar.gz and upload with the perl scripts	21:31
nuba	well, check for something with a name looking like "webguiupdate" in /data/wre/sbin	21:32
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading	21:32
nuba	and give it a bump or two	21:32
Slickware	thanks	21:32
+perlDreamer	nuba, was my earlier spanish anywhere on track?	21:32
Slickware	i honestly never really expected to find any answers in IRC :)	21:32
nuba	perlDreamer: where is it?	21:33
+perlDreamer	way back,	21:33
Slickware	they should log these chats and let google index them, it's a lot better than using their horrible search engine on the discussion board	21:33
perlmonkey2	I still can't believe IRC was ever anything but for hackers and programmers	21:33
@preaction	Slickware, xdanger currently has logs available, but we have no search mechanism developed for it yet	21:33
@apeiron	Slickware, Google's horrible search engine, or WebGUI's?	21:33
@preaction	i'm tempted to see if i can get an IRSeek bot in here	21:33
Slickware	i can't stand that you can't use the back button on the discussionboard search	21:33
Slickware	it's really annoying to have to open posts in new tabs/windows to see if they are relevant to your search query	21:34
Slickware	but that's just me complaining :)	21:34
@apeiron	Slickware, If it's WebGUI's, feel free to file an RFE documenting what you'd like to see improved.	21:34
+perlDreamer	Slickware: we always appreciate user feedback, but things in IRC rarely get done.	21:34
+perlDreamer	Use the RFE system online to submit those	21:34
Slickware	i know. i'm more just venting	21:35
+perlDreamer	or, provide patches :)	21:35
Slickware	the discussion feature has always been that way	21:35
Slickware	i am unfortunately not a perl programmer by any means	21:35
@apeiron	That doesn't mean you won't get what you want.	21:35
nuba	why index/search the irclogs? isnt grep -C 10 -E 'some.regexp[0-9]*' ehough?	21:35
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Slickware	haha	21:35
@apeiron	nuba, What if you don't have the logs? :)	21:36
nuba	wget'em	21:36
Slickware	alright. thanks guys/girls. I'll give this stuff a shot and check back later if I fail miserably.	21:36
nuba	really, i added the URL to xdanger's logs in the wiki irc page	21:36
nuba	its just a matter of wget -r -l inf 'URL' and then grepping'em	21:36
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slickwar1	test	21:54
+perlDreamer	yo	21:54
slickwar1	just setting up IRC on GAIM	21:54
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slickwar1	you guys rock.	22:07
slickwar1	5 minutes later, and I can upload from the richedit	22:07
slickwar1	after a week of pulling out hair :)	22:07
+perlDreamer	here's a few hints for bug fixing	22:09
+perlDreamer	search the bug db	22:09
+perlDreamer	search the forums	22:09
+perlDreamer	check the wiki	22:09
+perlDreamer	read release notes for newer versions of wG	22:09
slickwar1	I did check the forums	22:12
slickwar1	I just sort of assumed, since I had JUST downloaded a new version, that upgrading couldn't possibly be my problem :)	22:12
slickwar1	I forget that webgui changes releases more than my girlfriend changes outfits	22:13
+perlDreamer	here's the new release schedule: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/stable-vs-beta-releases-and-demo	22:14
+perlDreamer	it's open source. You have to release often.	22:15
slickwar1	I know, I know... i'm just not used to a "stable" release also being one that doesn't always work right away!	22:16
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+perlDreamer	true	22:16
@rizen	perlDreamer: it would look better if you reply on my post in tbb. that way it isn't just me saying that the wre is a good thing.	22:18
+perlDreamer	I did :)	22:18
+perlDreamer	I'm a little worried about coding while I'm sick, so I'm looking at test coverage for the Shop modules	22:20
+perlDreamer	If a file exists, is readable by the user, is there any reason why it could not be opened as a filehandle by perl?	22:26
@rizen	not that i'm aware of	22:26
@rizen	i suppose if the filesystem had some sort of locking mechanism that prevented it from being opened by multiple users at the same time	22:27
@rizen	NTFS has that	22:27
slickwar1	so perlDreamer, who are you guys - do you work for plainblack or are you just hardcore fans?	22:27
@rizen	rizen = JT	22:27
+perlDreamer	all of the Op'ed guys are PB staffers	22:27
+perlDreamer	the voiced guys are volunteers who have no other life	22:28
slickwar1	aww JT you have been around since the beginning... you're my hero	22:28
+perlDreamer	and the other people are volunteers and bots	22:28
@preaction	perlDreamer, SELinux perhaps?	22:28
@rizen	i say that the voiced guys are volunteers who contribute more than others...not that have no life	22:28
+perlDreamer	it's the virii talking	22:29
slickwar1	I contributed... I finally bought the books	22:29
+perlDreamer	I'm looking at the importTaxData method for Shop::Tax.pm, and wondering if I went overboard on file checking	22:29
slickwar1	my monetary contribution is far more useful than any coding I could cough up, believe me	22:29
+perlDreamer	oh, I don't know	22:30
+perlDreamer	do you do HTML/CSS?	22:30
+perlDreamer	there are lots of ways to contribute back	22:31
slickwar1	I do, but I try not to	22:31
+perlDreamer	make themes	22:31
+perlDreamer	translate wG into other languages	22:31
slickwar1	haha... pig latin	22:31
+perlDreamer	answer questions on the forums	22:31
@preaction	before i can get to other work i need to ask: Is there any way that: package Foo; package Bar; use base 'Foo'; package main; my $class = "Bar"; $class->isa("Foo"); would return false?	22:31
+perlDreamer	make useful wiki pages	22:31
slickwar1	I do try and answer forums question	22:31
+perlDreamer	preaction: 1;	22:32
slickwar1	maybe I should revise the WRE installation wiki so it is accurate for Ubuntu	22:32
@preaction	i'm trying to make the GalleryFile class, and have Photo inherit from that instead of Image, and in the process i'm fixing the addChild check to ensure only appropriate classes get added to Albums	22:32
slickwar1	becuase the "for ubuntu" section is blatantly wrong	22:32
@preaction	but that check is failing	22:32
@preaction	somehow GalleryFile::Photo which use base 'GalleryFile'; is somehow NOT a GalleryFile.	22:32
@preaction	or an Asset for that matter	22:32
+perlDreamer	is isa overridden anywhere in your code, or in any module that you might use?	22:33
@preaction	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m40fbb032 <- anything glaringly wrong with that?	22:33
@preaction	perlDreamer, not that i know of	22:34
@preaction	GalleryFile exists and is syntactically correct, same with Photo	22:34
+perlDreamer	$properties->className isn't an object	22:35
+perlDreamer	is it?	22:35
@preaction	no it should just be a string	22:35
+perlDreamer	maybe I should read more about UNIVERSAL isa	22:35
+perlDreamer	I thought you needed an object to do that	22:35
+perlDreamer	not a hashref	22:35
@preaction	no, a classname works	22:36
+perlDreamer	try it as a bareword	22:36
+perlDreamer	vs a var	22:36
@preaction	i tried doing "WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo->isa("WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile");	22:36
@preaction	k	22:36
@preaction	nope	22:37
@preaction	163 print "OKAY!!\n" if WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo->isa( $fileClass ); <- fails	22:37
@preaction	ha.	22:38
@preaction	it wasn't loaded	22:38
+perlDreamer	use base doesn't load it?	22:38
@preaction	i did a use <whatever> in my test	22:39
@preaction	no, the class itself wasn't loaded	22:39
+perlDreamer	oh	22:39
@preaction	and ->isa() returned false because Perl didn't know what it was	22:39
@preaction	which means that all overridden addChild probably needs to use WebGUI::Pluggable::load	22:39
@preaction	kinda weird that isa didn't even pop a warning about it...	22:41
@preaction	oh well, i can now close all the Gallery bugs on the public buglist.	22:42
+perlDreamer	cool	22:42
@preaction	yours had to be the hardest, didn't it?	22:43
@preaction	but now MrHairgrease has his GalleryFile class so he can make GalleryFile::Video	22:43
+perlDreamer	sorry, man	22:43
@preaction	hum... discussion: which is more important? Purity of form (user interface) or purity of essence (code design)	22:45
@preaction	i know times where i've had to sacrifice one for the other, usually sacrificing code for user interface, and i've always hated it (and usually the result)	22:46
+perlDreamer	what's awfully wide-open, how about a specific example?	22:48
+perlDreamer	rizen: since Tax->calculate can return 0 as a valid value, I'd like to remove the return 0 and just let the exception propagate out. Sound okay?	22:50
@rizen	what are we talking about?	22:51
@rizen	is this in reference to the change i made?	22:51
+perlDreamer	yeah	22:51
@rizen	i don't understand why that would be better	22:52
lisette	how to obtains a email from a user of webgui?	22:52
+perlDreamer	you can't look at the return value of calculate and see if there was a problem.	22:52
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@rizen	there isn't a problem if it returns 0	22:52
+perlDreamer	since 0 is a valid amount of tax	22:52
+MrHairgrease	pd: have it return a negative amount of tax	22:53
+MrHairgrease	you know that's wrong b/c i have never seen the tax hyena's give anything back =)	22:53
@rizen	it returns 0 when there is no shipping address defined, that's because you can't have any tax without a shipping address	22:53
@rizen	there's nothing wrong with 0 in that case	22:53
@rizen	and there's nothing wrong with the tax system either that should throw an exception	22:53
+perlDreamer	the exception would be thrown by Address and propagate back to the caller of calculate	22:54
@rizen	i think exceptions should only ever be thrown to indicate something is wrong, or something happened that you don't expect	22:54
* slickwar1 is out. thanks everyone		22:54
+perlDreamer	but since 0 is okay, it's moot	22:54
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@rizen	now, if we made it past that check	22:54
@rizen	and address still throws an exception	22:54
@rizen	then it should propogate up	22:55
@rizen	i think by throwing the exception where i made the change, you're actually potentially masking other real problems	22:55
+perlDreamer	I don't think return 0 should be replaced with an explicit expression, I think we should let $book->getAddress throw the exception for us	22:56
@rizen	i know that's what you're saying...and i think that then indicates a problem where there is none	22:56
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@rizen	it's perfectly valid to call $tax->calculate() with no address assigned	22:57
@rizen	there's no reason it should throw an exception on something that it's valid to do	22:57
@rizen	that is, unless you're saying it shouldn't be valid to call calculate when no address is assigned	22:59
+perlDreamer	could they proceed to checkout without a shipping address? If not, then 0 is cool with me.	23:00
@rizen	no	23:00
@rizen	the system prevents that	23:00
+perlDreamer	then 0 is cool with me	23:00
+perlDreamer	I'll build a test for the return 0 case	23:01
@rizen	because the "Choose Shipping Address" button is displayed in place of "Checkout" when they haven't chosen one.	23:01
@rizen	btw...i'm thinking about getting rid of the checkout button	23:01
@rizen	i'm thinking about putting the various payment buttons right on the cart screen	23:02
@rizen	so we can skip a step	23:02
@rizen	is that a bad idea?	23:02
+perlDreamer	that's cool. That way they don't have to choose a payment option and then checkout	23:02
+perlDreamer	instead of 1-click checkout, it's 1-click payment	23:02
@rizen	my only concern is what if someone has 15 different payment options enabled	23:02
@rizen	Check, Cash, PO, PayPal, Karma, Google Check Out, 2Checkout, Credit Card	23:03
@rizen	etc	23:03
wgGuest74	hello	23:03
@rizen	i realize it's unlikely..but it could make the cart screen ugly	23:03
+perlDreamer	maybe a dropdown instead of buttons if there are more then 3? or use the top 3, and a drop-down for the rest?	23:04
+perlDreamer	I hate UI design	23:04
+perlDreamer	wgGuest74: howdy. Do you have a question?	23:05
wgGuest74	last week i asked about a dinamic select box in a data form, the thing is that i have a selected box that its posibles values are dinamic	23:05
wgGuest74	if i create a new control can i solve the problem?	23:06
+perlDreamer	dynamic, like the user can provide more options?	23:06
wgGuest74	the options are stored in a database and they are created by the user	23:07
wgGuest74	yes, the user can provide more options	23:08
+perlDreamer	that's what you want it to do, but you're finding that it doesn't do that right now. Correct?	23:08
wgGuest74	yes	23:08
+perlDreamer	there is a combo box, which combines a select box with a text entry form, but the application has to take care of adding new entries into some database.	23:10
+perlDreamer	it should not need a new form control	23:10
+perlDreamer	you would need to further customize the DataForm to handle that new function	23:12
wgGuest74	for example the user first add in a table called areas, the name of the areas	23:12
wgGuest74	and in other screen when the user try to add the subject, he should see the name of the areas in a select box to add the subjects	23:13
wgGuest74	in the subject table will have a field that store the area's id	23:14
+perlDreamer	in the dataform, there are only 2-3 screens for the user	23:15
+perlDreamer	add an entry	23:15
+perlDreamer	view all entries	23:15
+perlDreamer	view one entry	23:15
+perlDreamer	export some data	23:15
+perlDreamer	okay, 4 screens	23:15
+perlDreamer	no screens where the user can update a field, and then change it in another	23:16
+perlDreamer	That sounds more like a SQL form type of application	23:16
+perlDreamer	but that's a guess	23:16
wgGuest74	but the sql form doesn't have the select box	23:17
+perlDreamer	it sounds like wG does not have what you want out of the box. So then it would be up to you how you would like to add it.	23:17
+perlDreamer	the new Thingy application may do that, but it won't be out before April/May (as scheduled)	23:18
wgGuest74	the thing that i did was to create a dataform to add areas and i modified it to stored the entries in my own tables	23:18
wgGuest74	and then i created another dataform to create subjects	23:18
wgGuest74	the thing that i need is the possibility to put the posibles values in a selected box obtaining the values from a table	23:19
+perlDreamer	If I remember correctly, the DataForm will evaluate macros in several of its form fields	23:24
+perlDreamer	How about using a SQL Macro to populate the possible values field of the select box?	23:25
wgGuest74	yes, i tried with a macro but the it returns a string	23:26
wgGuest74	all tha values appear in the same line	23:26
wgGuest74	what features will have the thingy application?	23:26
+perlDreamer	it's basically a lite version of MS Access	23:27
+perlDreamer	for the same line, you may need to use a different template, but again, I'm guessing	23:27
wgGuest74	perlDreamer, when i go to the sql form i always see first, the search template, can i modify it to see first the default sql form edit	23:33
+perlDreamer	I don't know. If you could, it would be in the Asset's edit screen, probably under display.	23:35
wgGuest74	yes?	23:36
+perlDreamer	no. The default view is either a normal search screen, or an advanced search screen.	23:37
+perlDreamer	for multiline macro output from ^SQL, use \n in the template	23:38
wgGuest74	ok	23:39
wgGuest74	i am going to try	23:39
wgGuest74	can i change in the sql form the default view, i want that the default view will be add a entry	23:41
+perlDreamer	no	23:42
wgGuest74	ok	23:42
wgGuest74	so, i am going to try the macro	23:43
wgGuest74	if a change the code of the data form wobject, can i report you the changes to be incluided in the core?	23:44
+perlDreamer	You should submit it as an RFE. JT will evaluate it to see if it can be added to the core. Then it would need to wait for a developer to add it.	23:45
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wgGuest74	we have decided to put all of our sites, applications and projects around webgui, we want to contribute for webgui's project	23:48
+perlDreamer	That's awesome!	23:48
@rizen	wgGuest74 i'm sorry to report that DataForm will not be in the core going foward	23:49
@rizen	you'll still be able to use it on your sites, but it won't be part of the core	23:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5721 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Macro/SQL.t: Functional test for multiline output.	23:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5722 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	23:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: Add coverage tests for more bad CSV file handling,	23:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: and two files to exercise the header checks in importTaxData	23:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5723 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Macro/SQL.t: backport new SQL.pm macro test for multiline output	23:49
@rizen	instead it will be replaced by two other assets: Thingy for building data entry applications, and Mail Form for building email forms	23:50
wgGuest74	are there some rules that are neccesary to have to contribute in the project?	23:51
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/getting-started-in-the-webgui-community	23:52
+perlDreamer	see the Core developers entry in that wiki page	23:52
wgGuest74	ok	23:52
wgGuest74	so, the data form will desappear in the future	23:53
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/development-best-practices for how to write good core code	23:53
estive1	you can make your own patch	23:54
+perlDreamer	actually, see the "Developing for WebGUI" entry on the table of contents page http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/table-of-contents	23:54
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+perlDreamer	and estive1 is right. You can always maintain your own patch for locally customizing WebGUI	23:56
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wgGuest74	ok	23:57
wgGuest74	thanks for all your advices	23:57
@rizen	We will be releasing the data form into the user contributions section of the site in case someone	23:57
@rizen	would like to start maintaining it	23:57
@rizen	After all there will be thousands of people out there with data forms on their sites.	23:58
wgGuest74	claro	23:58
wgGuest74	yes, we want to be part of webgui	23:59
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perlmonkey2	rizen: I've written probably 20 different custom one off surveys and your survey system seems very well designed. How come you think so badly of it?	00:05
@rizen	i think that the survey works pretty well, i just think the code behind it is absolute crap	00:06
@rizen	=)	00:06
perlmonkey2	Hah	00:06
@rizen	it's one of the oldest (hasn't been revamped) assets in the system	00:06
perlmonkey2	I have a question about embedding variables in question text. I'd like to be able to have Q2's text have a <S1Q1S> tags.	00:07
perlmonkey2	What this would do is in the text of Q2, Section 1 Question 1's submitted answer would be replaced with that tag	00:08
perlmonkey2	<S1Q1R> would put the recorded value instead of the submitted.	00:08
perlmonkey2	But is that a good way to do this?	00:08
perlmonkey2	S1Q1. What is your favorite color. S1Q1. Why is <S1Q1S> your favorite color?	00:09
@rizen	oh i see what you're saying	00:09
perlmonkey2	whups, that second S1Q1 should be S1Q2.	00:09
@rizen	well i don't think it's a good idea to use S1Q2 because those are relative	00:10
@rizen	if they reorder the survey then it won't make sense	00:10
perlmonkey2	oh	00:10
perlmonkey2	good point.	00:10
@rizen	you'd have to use the asset id of some sort	00:10
@rizen	but i think that a better way to do it from a user interface point of view is	00:11
@rizen	have them put in a %s	00:11
@rizen	and then have a drop down to pull the answer from a list of the questions	00:11
@rizen	so that you can tie a question's guid directly to it	00:11
@rizen	Why is %s your favorite color?	00:11
@rizen	and then use sprintf to put it in there	00:11
perlmonkey2	Okay, I like that.	00:12
@rizen	wow that's going to be a pretty powerful feature	00:12
perlmonkey2	Yeah, the people at work had a lot of them.	00:12
perlmonkey2	Good ideas, that is.	00:12
perlmonkey2	rizen: So how about the dialog defaults to one dropdown for variable replacement. then an onblur on the text that counts %s and if there is more than 2 but less than 6, add that number of new drop downs?	00:16
@rizen	sounds reasonable to me. so you're going to allow for follow up questions that combine the answers from multiple previous posts?	00:19
@rizen	s/posts/responses/	00:19
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5724 /WebGUI/t/Macro/SQL.t: sideport new SQL.pm macro test for multiline output	00:20
wgGuest74	excuseme perlDreamer, when you said me for multiline macro output from ^SQL, use \n in the template	00:21
wgGuest74	is to use my own macro or to use the SQL Macro	00:21
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+perlDreamer	use the ^SQL macro, but in the template, give it a newline "^1;\n"	00:22
wgGuest74	ok	00:23
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perlmonkey2	rizen: unless you see a reason not to?	00:26
@rizen	nope, that's just super powerful	00:26
@rizen	gotta be careful not to confuse your average survey admin	00:27
perlmonkey2	I'm not sure how to use the SQL.pm to bring back more than 2 columns. Is there a module with an example?	00:27
perlmonkey2	Hopefully they won't be confused because they shouldn't see the extra drop downs unless they add more than 1 %s	00:27
perlmonkey2	nm, I found an exmaple	00:28
perlmonkey2	oh, it works like you'd think it would. The pod info said something about more than two columns being concat'd with a ":" that confused me.	00:30
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: do we need a pod patch for that?	00:40
perlmonkey2	I don't know....In all probability I just didn't understand the docs.	00:40
+perlDreamer	which method?	00:40
perlmonkey2	buildArrayRef*	00:41
perlmonkey2	any of them	00:41
perlmonkey2	If the query selects more than two columns, then the last column will be the value and the remaining columns will be joined together by a colon ":" to form a complex key.	00:41
perlmonkey2	From buildArrayRefOfHashRefs	00:41
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's what it does. It's correct	00:42
+perlDreamer	I wonder if that's tested...	00:42
perlmonkey2	but you really get [{k1,v1},{k2,v2}...}	00:43
perlmonkey2	er close with ]	00:43
perlmonkey2	if you have columns k1,k2,k3 you get back [{k1,v1,k2,v2,k3,v3},...]	00:44
perlmonkey2	I don't undestnad where the concat comes in?	00:44
+perlDreamer	me either	00:44
+perlDreamer	it looks like copy/paste bug from buildHash, buildHashRef	00:44
perlmonkey2	not sure why buildHash does that though	00:45
@rizen	because you can't have multiple keys	00:46
@rizen	so it generates a composite key	00:46
@rizen	select userId,groupId, groupName from sometable	00:46
@rizen	makes $hash{userId-groupId} = "group name";	00:47
@rizen	get it?	00:47
perlmonkey2	Okay, yeah, that makes sense now.	00:47
perlmonkey2	I can see how that would be a very useful method to have.	00:47
@rizen	WebGUI::SQL is built from years of love	00:48
@rizen	there's lots of great utility methods in there to do crazy stuff in one line of code	00:48
perlmonkey2	I like it :)	00:48
perlmonkey2	in the db, what is the preferred way of doing booleans?	00:50
perlmonkey2	a mysql bool type?	00:50
+perlDreamer	usually we use ints with 0 and 1	00:50
perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: But you are totally wasting 7 bits of space!	00:51
perlmonkey2	:P	00:51
* perlDreamer passes perlmonkey2 254 values		00:51
@rizen	you can use tinyint	00:52
@rizen	hehe	00:52
@rizen	i honestly didn't even know that mysql had a bool type	00:52
perlmonkey2	I have no idea what mysql's internals are for boolean...probably tinyint :P	00:52
@rizen	does it return 1/0 or true/false?	00:53
perlmonkey2	j/s I'll test	00:53
perlmonkey2	select true returns 1	00:53
+perlDreamer	how 'bout select false?	00:54
perlmonkey2	0	00:54
@rizen	it's a 0	00:54
@rizen	nice	00:54
@rizen	we should start using that	00:54
perlmonkey2	looks like it is a bit	00:54
perlmonkey2	but a signed bit	00:55
perlmonkey2	so two bits?	00:55
perlmonkey2	that is just guessing because mysql-admin gives the option of setting it unsigned	00:55
+perlDreamer	that's 6 bits savings / row	00:55
+perlDreamer	it bet it uses int(2) internally	00:56
perlmonkey2	well if you want to start using it for all my bool columsn :)	00:56
perlmonkey2	I mean "I'll start using it for ..."	00:56
@rizen	i just switched all the create scripts for the new commerce system to use bool	00:57
@rizen	and the yesNo form control	00:58
perlmonkey2	that was fast.	00:58
@rizen	that's what my wife says	00:58
perlmonkey2	DOH :O	00:59
@rizen	=)	00:59
perlmonkey2	looks like it is a TINYINT(1) internally	00:59
@rizen	i was going to say it about MrHairgreases girlfriend but i wasn't sure if he's here or not	00:59
perlmonkey2	hah	00:59
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* perlmonkey2 realizes he was getting bits and bytes mixed up earlier...whups		01:13
* perlmonkey2 hands in his programmer creds and goes to dig ditches.		01:13
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@rizen	nooooooOoooooOOOOOooooooo!	01:13
@rizen	you must finish the survey and dethrone the reigning webgui community tyrant known as perlDreamer	01:14
perlmonkey2	Hah, perlDreamer can probably get his bits and bolts right	01:14
@rizen	he has a bunch of runaway processes today	01:15
@rizen	he almost sig hupped himself	01:15
perlmonkey2	Although the farther I get into this version of the survey system the more excited I get. As long as I can keep ajax calls sub 500ms+latency I think it will be very fun to use.	01:15
perlmonkey2	wow, that is serious when you are ready to do that.	01:16
* MrHairgrease is about to sig hup		01:18
+MrHairgrease	later	01:18
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+perlTyrant	much better :)	01:19
@rizen	indeed	01:19
+perlTyrant	rizen: Tim drew a picture of you. Would you like to see it?	01:20
@rizen	pd in 10 minutes or so i should have the shipping address chooser complete	01:20
@rizen	sure	01:20
@rizen	are you emailing it to me?	01:24
+perlTyrant	yup	01:25
+perlTyrant	it's a whiteboard drawing	01:25
+perlTyrant	I think he's captured the inner you	01:25
@rizen	well at least it's not the outer me...that would have set the whiteboard on fire	01:26
+perlTyrant	we would have needed a taller whiteboard	01:27
+perlTyrant	big smile, flared nostrils, beard. That's gotta be JT	01:27
+perlTyrant	did you get it?	01:28
@rizen	not yet	01:29
@rizen	spoke too soon, there it comes	01:30
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CIA-52	WebGUI: doug * r5725 /WebGUI/ (28 files in 12 dirs):	01:31
CIA-52	WebGUI: Added WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile	01:31
CIA-52	WebGUI: Changed Photo to subclass WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile	01:31
+perlDreamer	what do you think?	01:32
+perlDreamer	considering he hasn't seen a picture of you in 5 months, it's not too bad	01:32
@rizen	wow that looks exactly like me	01:34
+perlDreamer	I'll tell Tim.	01:35
@rizen	i'm going to have to put that up as my picture on my bio page	01:35
@rizen	=)	01:35
@rizen	unfortunately my pr folks would never let me get away way that	01:35
+perlDreamer	just flash them that winning smile and they'll concede	01:36
+perlDreamer	so far, we have 232 tests for Shop modules	01:36
nuba	theres a list of imagebins at the wiki irc page	01:36
@rizen	wow	01:36
@rizen	232, i must have only written about 3 of those	01:36
+perlDreamer	not	01:37
+perlDreamer	more like 40	01:39
@rizen	why do things never work exactly how i plan them to work	01:40
+perlDreamer	it's a governmental conspiracy	01:41
+perlDreamer	When you made Campaign Secrets, it demonstrated an unusual insight into contemporary american politics	01:41
@rizen	hehe	01:42
+perlDreamer	which means that you could reveal things they hide from the public	01:42
+perlDreamer	that's why they hired me to infiltrate your world and disrupt it	01:42
+perlDreamer	think now of all the time you spend on IRC, and testing	01:42
+perlDreamer	you think all those leaks are accidents?	01:43
+perlDreamer	now you're so busy you can't use your knowledge to interfere with their control of american culture	01:43
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@rizen	you make very good points	01:49
@rizen	but i think that you might also be a government conspiracy...cuz all this time i talk to you i could be spending time doing something to improve webgui	01:49
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5726 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add coverage tests, convert croaks to exceptions.	01:50
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@rizen	pd, do you remember the empty list problem	01:57
@rizen	for hashes	01:57
+perlDreamer	yes	01:58
@rizen	its back	01:58
@rizen	or rather i found another place where it occurs	01:58
+perlDreamer	where?	01:58
@rizen	forms	01:58
@rizen	$session->form->get("somefield");	01:58
@rizen	if you put that directly into a hash, and the parameter doesn't exist	01:59
@rizen	you'll get the problem	01:59
+perlDreamer	that's because of context, and wantarray, I think	01:59
+perlDreamer	=> is list context	01:59
@rizen	ah	01:59
@rizen	well shit	02:00
+perlDreamer	so if it isn't there, it returns ()	02:00
@apeiron	er? => is a fancy comma that quotes its lefthand side. :)	02:00
@rizen	so basically there's no way to fix it for forms then?	02:01
+perlDreamer	not without changing the API for the form interface	02:02
+perlDreamer	or, you can't use listy hash assignments and have to do it 1 by 1	02:02
+perlDreamer	apeiron: exactly, but it's list context, not scalar context	02:03
@rizen	preaction, or anyone here that knows css	02:14
@rizen	how do i make a <form> that doesn't add a break after it	02:14
@rizen	i thought it was display:inline but apparently not	02:14
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@preaction	it shouldn't be the form	02:14
@preaction	or is it just in IE6?	02:14
@rizen	forms automatically add 2 carriage returns after them in all browsers	02:15
@preaction	form doesn't really have any display itself, but things inside it can	02:15
@rizen	i'm telling you that it does	02:15
@preaction	perhaps * { margin: 0; padding: 0; }	02:15
@rizen	ok	02:15
@preaction	or form { margin: 0; padding: 0; } to restrict it to just forms	02:15
@rizen	wait, does the * have any significance?	02:15
@preaction	yes	02:15
@preaction	* means all elements	02:15
@rizen	what is that?	02:15
@rizen	oh i don't want it on all	02:15
@preaction	so form { ... } instead	02:16
@rizen	that didn't do it either	02:16
@rizen	and actually...it can't be that come to think of it	02:16
@rizen	if you do <form>somecrap</form>	02:17
@rizen	and then do it again	02:17
@rizen	you'll see that they sit on top of each other	02:17
@rizen	not side by side	02:17
@rizen	so this has to have something with being displayed block level	02:17
@preaction	you want them side-by-side?	02:17
@preaction	float: left; might work	02:17
@preaction	but it could have unintended side-effects	02:17
@rizen	but i don't want them to float	02:17
@rizen	exactly	02:18
@rizen	i just want them to work like <span> tags	02:18
@rizen	rather than <div> tags	02:18
@preaction	do you have a URL or a paste I can see the contents?	02:18
@rizen	and i thought that was what display:inline vs display:block was all about	02:18
@rizen	i just did: <form>somecrap</form><form>some crap</form>	02:18
@rizen	each of these forms will have only one element in it. a button	02:20
@rizen	so i want the buttons to sit side by side	02:20
@rizen	granted i could do it with some javascript and use the same form	02:20
@rizen	but i don't want to	02:20
@rizen	so there has to be a way to do this	02:20
@rizen	damn it	02:21
@rizen	display:inline does work if i put it right into the form	02:21
@rizen	it just doesn't work when i do: div.addressBlock form { display: inline; }	02:21
@rizen	in a style sheet	02:22
@preaction	is there something more specific that's overriding it? perhaps something like #id form { ... }	02:22
@rizen	nope, no id on the form	02:23
@preaction	firebug would show you all the selectors that affect the element, and which ones are actually working	02:23
@rizen	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7e3fbf14	02:23
@rizen	if you want to see all the code	02:23
CIA-52	WebGUI: colin * r5727 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/t/Shop/AddressBook.t: coverage tests for AddressBook update	02:25
@rizen	got it	02:25
@rizen	turns out that WebGUI::Form::formHeader puts a div inside the <form> so even though the form was inline the div wasn't	02:26
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@rizen	WAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!	02:32
@rizen	the address book is working	02:32
@preaction	wahooooo!!!11	02:33
@preaction	seriously, you guys are going to have this in 7.5? does that make 7.5 the new 8.0?	02:33
@preaction	what is 7.5 NOT going to have? it's gonna be huge	02:33
@rizen	we've never had a 6 month dev cycle before	02:33
@preaction	true	02:34
* apeiron gets to work on wG::KitchenSink.		02:34
@rizen	that makes each release that much cooler	02:34
@rizen	yes, this will be done in 7.5	02:34
@rizen	and thingy should be done in a couple weeks too	02:34
+perlDreamer	I hate art	02:34
@rizen	which reminds me, someone needs to write a mailform asset	02:34
@rizen	why?	02:35
+perlDreamer	because there are no rules at all for art	02:35
@rizen	true	02:35
+perlDreamer	much of it is impression and connotation, and semiotics	02:35
@preaction	there are guidelines	02:35
@rizen	pd you have to check out the new address book thing	02:35
@rizen	it works so damn well it's ridiculous	02:35
+perlDreamer	svn update?	02:35
@rizen	yup	02:36
+perlDreamer	how do I access it?	02:39
+perlDreamer	is there a button to it, or just by op?	02:39
@rizen	?shop=cart	02:41
@rizen	then click on the shipping address	02:41
@rizen	you'll need to reset dev	02:43
@rizen	cuz i added templates and stuff	02:43
+perlDreamer	I noticed the upgrade change, and did	02:43
+perlDreamer	It looks good!	02:43
@rizen	i haven't tried adding some tax info to the tax table and see if it calculates and displays correctly yet	02:44
+perlDreamer	maybe I should start working on the Tax UI	02:45
+perlDreamer	at least import	02:45
+perlDreamer	oh, I was going to ask you.	02:45
+perlDreamer	The old commerce tax form used ajax. Do you want the new one to?	02:45
@rizen	just did, and it works	02:46
@rizen	sure	02:46
@rizen	make it as cool as you like	02:46
@rizen	in fact, i was thinking maybe we should use yui's coolio data table thing	02:46
@rizen	http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/datatable/	02:47
CIA-52	WebGUI: jt * r5728 /branch/WebGUI_Commerce/ (7 files in 5 dirs):	02:47
CIA-52	WebGUI: address book works	02:47
CIA-52	WebGUI: yesno uses bool now instead of int	02:47
+perlDreamer	eek, it's huge!	02:48
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@rizen	one thing i still have to do is if you select United States as your country, then you need to have a drop down list of states rather than typing it in	02:49
@rizen	otherwise it will never match the tax algorithm	02:49
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+perlDreamer	stupid suspend mode	03:12
+perlDreamer	will that dropdown extend to all countries?	03:13
+perlDreamer	Sounds like a lot of data.	03:13
+perlDreamer	but it makes the Tax a lot easier	03:15
+perlDreamer	since you don't have to worry about matching Wisconsin, WI, Wi, wi and so on	03:15
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@rizen	i don't know how it will work	03:18
@rizen	i guess maybe we need a "State" manager or something	03:18
@rizen	cuz where else would we get all the states and provinces in all the countries of the world?	03:19
@rizen	either that or maybe in the tax code we should allow for Wisconsin\|WI and then make it a case insensitive match	03:19
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+Radix-wrk	As long as you don't assume WA is always Washington (it's also Western Australia) - I'm happy.	04:32
@rizen	radix, it's ok	04:38
@rizen	we already have something in there that says if you're from oz charge 200% tax	04:38
+Radix-wrk	awesome	04:40
+Radix-wrk	long as I collect that tax, I'm happy with that ;)	04:40
@rizen	actually the more i think about it the more i realize that we're going to have to rework tax to be hierarchical	04:40
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perlmonkey2	anyone awake?	05:51
+perlDinner	yup	05:51
perlmonkey2	The Survey currently uses a Survey_id as the foreign key to tie all the tables together. Any reason I couldn't just use the Survey's assetId?	05:52
+perlDinner	I think rizen answered that question earlier	05:53
perlmonkey2	The Survey_id is a newly generated id, but it is also a unique identifier of the survey. So the assetId should serve the same puprose.	05:53
perlmonkey2	yeah	05:53
+perlDinner	Something along the lines of it not being one of his best ideas	05:53
+perlDinner	so use the AssetId	05:53
+perlDinner	btw, payback time is coming	05:53
perlmonkey2	this is what I get for sitting down to hammer out some code right before I pass out from lack of sleep.	05:53
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+perlDinner	rizen wants me to use JS for the tax management screens, so _you_ will be the master :)	05:54
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perlmonkey2	hah	05:54
perlmonkey2	I doubt you'll need my help. JS doesn't really offer much challenge to a good perl dev, and the YUI is super easy and well documented. You'll be beyond me in hours.	05:55
perlmonkey2	But it sure is fun to use.	05:55
+perlDinner	well, you see	05:56
+perlDinner	I've tried before, and it's been very, very bad	05:56
perlmonkey2	No worries, I feel like I've taken a lot more than I've given here, so I'm eager to help out in any way I can.	05:58
@preaction	JS requires a different way of thinking	05:58
@preaction	it's all event-driven, user interface jibjag	05:58
+perlDinner	that's part of the problem	05:58
+perlDinner	I think Unix/perly	05:58
@preaction	hard to get a clear, a-to-z, start-to-finish in it	05:59
perlmonkey2	The biggest hurdle for me is the hard line between data objects and dom objects. You work with them in entirely different way; the dom being this thing that gets in the way of what you're trying to do. You try to tie data to the dom, but it just gets ugly in a hurry.	06:00
@preaction	yeah. i usually make at least three methods just to manipulate the DOM portions I need	06:01
@preaction	the YUI DataTable is probably useful and would save me time most likely	06:02
perlmonkey2	Yeah the datatable is just down righ tsexy.	06:11
perlmonkey2	Powerful stuff there.	06:11
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perlmonkey2	screwedDreamer: You feeling worse I guess?	06:13
+screwedDreamer	between the virus and the JS, yeah	06:14
+screwedDreamer	I'm probably just psyching myself out	06:14
@apeiron	Can I throw in a side dish of "I hate JS"?	06:14
@apeiron	(not just to fit in, I promise)	06:15
+screwedDreamer	It's a potluck, bring what you will	06:15
@apeiron	I have a side of "I hate JS" and some really well-done scrapple.	06:15
+screwedDreamer	there was a time when there was a perl plugin for Netscape	06:15
perlmonkey2	Parrot holds that promise for the future.	06:15
@apeiron	And now Netscape is EOL.	06:15
+screwedDreamer	as long as IE holds out for JS, I don't think parrot has a chance on the browser	06:16
@apeiron	I thought pugs or parrot was targetting JS as an execution backend.	06:16
+screwedDreamer	sure	06:16
+screwedDreamer	but how would you get IE to buy into distributing the parrot plugin by default?	06:16
+screwedDreamer	or Opera?	06:16
@apeiron	Which is... frankly scary, although altogether not surprising coming from the folks working on either project.	06:17
@apeiron	ah, good point.	06:17
@apeiron	You could do what every Flash and Java application on the entire intarwebs does, and use JS to determine whether they have the feature and send them to go get it if they don't.	06:17
@apeiron	It's kind of like how Flash works in comparison to IE releases. In between every IE release there's several Flash releases. I think I just upgraded my IE in my WinXP VM (by the way, running my Windows Boot Camp installation in VMWare is absolutely amazingly cool) and it came with Flash 6.	06:19
@apeiron	My Mac has Flash 9.	06:19
@apeiron	Upgraded the IE to 7, that is.	06:20
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perlmonkey2	Is there a method I can overload that is called after the autogenerate form is processed? I wan to initialize a collateral table upon asset creation.	06:23
+screwedDreamer	perlmonkey2: that would be editSave	06:24
perlmonkey2	screwedDreamer: Even sick, you're like a wg ninja	06:24
+screwedDreamer	rizen: can you please expand on your earlier thought about tax and hierarchy?	06:24
@rizen	sure, but first why are you now screwedDreamer?	06:24
+screwedDreamer	sick, and have to learn JS :)	06:25
@rizen	hehe	06:25
@rizen	you don't have to	06:25
+screwedDreamer	just whinging	06:25
@rizen	it was just a suggestion to make it super cool	06:25
perlmonkey2	whinging is good for the soul.	06:25
+screwedDreamer	okay, back to tax hierarchy	06:26
@rizen	my thought is that tax is going to have to be a match like this: country + state + city or country + code or country + city	06:26
@rizen	it can't be just city or state or postal code	06:26
@rizen	it needs to be further categorized by country	06:26
perlmonkey2	hmm, so I overload editSave make the $self->SUPER::editSave(@_); call, now will $self->getId() be useful/	06:26
@rizen	so i recommend that we change the tax table to look like this:	06:26
@rizen	taxId, country, state, city, code, taxRate	06:27
@rizen	and then match all that are filled in on a given row	06:27
@rizen	so if only code is filled in, then we match just on code...but that means it will only work for the country where the postal codes are filled in for	06:28
@rizen	because postal codes might be reused around the world	06:28
@rizen	but more likely it will match against	06:28
@rizen	USA, WI, Madison	06:28
@rizen	or USA, 53715	06:29
+screwedDreamer	so how does that work with multiple sources of taxes	06:29
+screwedDreamer	WI => 5%	06:29
@rizen	in addition, i think we need to do what i said earlier	06:29
+screwedDreamer	Madison 0.5%	06:29
@rizen	Wisconsin\|WI	06:29
@rizen	they'll instead need to be filled in for each thing you want to match all tallied	06:29
@rizen	USA, WI, Madison => 5.5%	06:30
@rizen	so it won't work the way i originally wanted	06:30
+screwedDreamer	manually summed versus automatically summed	06:30
@rizen	but this new way is far more workable worldwide	06:30
@rizen	right	06:30
+screwedDreamer	could we put in wildcards into the don't care fields?	06:30
@rizen	because as Radix pointed out, both US and Oz have states called WA	06:30
+screwedDreamer	USA, Wi => 5%	06:30
+screwedDreamer	USA, WI, Madison => 0.5	06:31
@rizen	blank is automatically wildcard	06:31
@rizen	i suppose we could do that	06:31
@rizen	that makes sense	06:31
@rizen	apply all that match	06:31
+screwedDreamer	I'm glad I abstracted out the getTaxRates method now :)	06:31
@rizen	so i guess that will still work the same way then	06:31
@rizen	but it's just a more restrictive match cuz it possibly combines country, state, city, and code	06:32
@rizen	plus it enables city, which is something i really wanted to include before but couldn't make it work	06:32
@rizen	since you could have a springfield in every state	06:32
+screwedDreamer	okay, so we rework for flat vs tall	06:32
+screwedDreamer	give me a few days	06:33
@rizen	take your time, tomorrow i'm going to be working on integrating shipping and then i'm moving on to admin screens	06:33
+screwedDreamer	okay, time to work on my own taxes for a bit	06:33
+screwedDreamer	catch y'all tomorrow	06:33
@rizen	later	06:33
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knowmad	hello	15:54
ckotil	good morning	15:54
knowmad	morning.	15:55
knowmad	are you doing bandwidth monitoring on any of your WRE servers?	15:55
ckotil	I am not.	16:17
ckotil	I do run ganglia on all my machines, including the web server. So i can get a pretty good idea of what's going on, including load, bandwidth, disk i/o, memory swapped, etc..	16:18
knowmad	ckotil: thanks. i'll check out ganglia. never heard of it before	16:20
ckotil	its a nice app to have for spotting problematic servers.	16:20
ckotil	stick around though, there may be a better solution to monitor wre bandwidth.	16:20
knowmad	are you alluding to something?	16:21
ckotil	yes, that it is still early and most people arent awake or watching the channel yet.	16:21
+Radix_	ganglia.. never heard of it either	16:21
+Radix_	I use munin	16:21
knowmad	looks like a nice app	16:21
knowmad	can munin do bandwidth monitoring?	16:22
ckotil	munin creates RRD graphs as well. nice.