WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-05.log

--- Log opened Fri May 01 00:00:46 2009
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CIA-38	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10600 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Survey sections now have logical section type, which is never shown to the user, only used for silently checking gotos.	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10601 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Backport removal of dead code in the Product Sku.	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.4-7.7.5.pl: fix compile warnings	00:15
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10603 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.t: fix thingy test for field type being provided provided	00:15
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@Haarg	bad monkey	00:20
perlmonkey21	what's up?	00:35
@Haarg	broke a test. i have a fix already.	00:36
perlmonkey21	but I ran all the survey tests?	00:36
@Haarg	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=10605	00:37
@Haarg	not sure why they passed for you	00:37
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10604 /translations/German/German/Asset_StockData.pm: Update from translation server	00:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10605 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.t: fix survey test	00:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10606 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server	00:40
@preaction	woot go German!	00:40
perlmonkey21	well crap it fails now. Must have missed that in the scroll.	00:41
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey21, how do you run tests?	01:01
perlmonkey21	perlDreamer: I go to the correct direction the type "perl file.t"	01:02
perlmonkey21	directory	01:02
+perlDreamer	right at the bottom, it should tell you how many tests failed	01:02
+perlDreamer	that way you don't have to scroll	01:02
@Haarg	if you use prove it will be color coded	01:02
@Haarg	prove alone will only report if it passed/failed, prove -v will show all the output but color coded	01:03
+perlDreamer	Germans at 78.8%	01:04
+perlDreamer	but the Dutch is clean down to 94.6	01:04
perlmonkey21	hmm, I like prove	01:05
perlmonkey21	heh, nice prove -r *.t	01:05
@Haarg	prove -r t	01:06
@preaction	if you get cpan App::Prove, you'll get the latest prove which has the color coding	01:20
@preaction	the one that comes with the WRE and perl 5.8 doesn't have as many fun features	01:21
+perlDreamer	Using Crud's built in methods (getAll*), there doesn't appear to be a way to compare columns against one another using the constraints	01:21
+perlDreamer	am I missing something?	01:21
@preaction	try "col1 = col2" => [] maybe?	01:22
+perlDreamer	sneaky. very sneaky	01:22
+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg, what do y'all think of this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html	01:29
@preaction	i think it's a great idea, especially the crowd-sourcing aspect	01:30
@preaction	our i18n app is a good demonstration of that, and perhaps the code for our translationserver could be used by these guys to collect i18n strings	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'll drop him a note	01:32
+perlDreamer	At the very least, we could get a French translation	01:32
+perlDreamer	apeiron is on the ironman elightened perl blog aggregator	01:35
@Haarg	rather annoying when test modules have bugs in them	01:48
+perlDreamer	which one is that?	01:50
@Haarg	trying to add tests to wgdev and Test::Warn can't test warnings like warn "message\n" because the \n prevents the filename/line number from being added	01:50
+perlDreamer	that's not Test::Warn's fault	01:50
+perlDreamer	that's perl's fault	01:50
@Haarg	how so?	01:51
@Haarg	that's expected behavior of perl	01:51
@Haarg	Test::Warn assumes the filename/line number will always be there	01:51
+perlDreamer	oh, now I see	01:52
@Haarg	i guess i can adjust my code to all be print {STDERR} instead	01:53
+perlDreamer	what about just not appending \n to the end of your warnings?	01:55
@Haarg	kind of ugly	01:55
@Haarg	and what module and line it came from isn't relevant when it is a user error	01:55
+perlDreamer	except most of your users are all developers who are on the command line	01:56
@Haarg	that doesn't make the information any more relevant	01:57
@Haarg	i guess i can use warning_like instead of warning_is	02:00
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+perlDreamer	let's try this out	02:29
+perlDreamer	patspam patspam patspam	02:29
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+perlDreamer	mmmm, shiny new wgdev	02:40
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@Haarg	i still have to do a lot of work on the intro command. it's pretty much empty, and isn't referenced anywhere like it needs to be.	02:44
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10607 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.5 release	02:46
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+patspam	praction: ping	02:48
+perlDreamer	preaction: ping, too	02:49
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CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10608 /WebGUI/t/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Test clean-up for users and groups in Shop/Vendor and all Macro tests.	03:06
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, since User, Group and Storage all have delete methods, would it make sense to just have objectsToDelete?	03:10
+perlDreamer	hm, maybe not	03:11
+perlDreamer	because in storagesToDelete, I set it up to accept objects or GUIDs	03:11
+perlDreamer	oh well	03:11
@Haarg	yeah	03:11
@Haarg	aside from guids, it could work to just have a single method that detected the object type if needed	03:11
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+perlDreamer	maybe we could have objectsToDelete, which takes objects	03:20
+perlDreamer	and guidsToDelete, which takes guids and object types as an array ref	03:20
@preaction	HA! I just figured out why I hate the admin accordian! In order to move between panes, you need to move your mouse the entire height of the page!	03:20
+perlDreamer	that's a bummer, all right	03:20
@preaction	but is it better than a fly-out menu?	03:21
+perlDreamer	well, what if there were buttons on the top, and workspace down below in a fixed pattern?	03:21
+perlDreamer	same idea, different spatial setup	03:21
@preaction	and the active pane is highlighted somehow	03:22
+perlDreamer	sure, indented, colored, blinking	03:22
@preaction	reserve a max of 1/3 for the pane titles, and 2/3 for the pane content (i'm envisioning a world with more panes, like the quicklinks that dhelsten wants)	03:23
+perlDreamer	guidsToDelete would get processed first, and just push more objects onto objects to delete	03:23
+perlDreamer	preaction, how about instead of fixed buttons, a dropdown?	03:24
+perlDreamer	that leaves the most screen real estate in the pane content	03:24
@preaction	ahhhhh, very nice	03:24
@preaction	and easy to do with YUI Menu	03:24
+perlDreamer	what will the chief say?	03:24
@preaction	i don't know	03:24
@preaction	i'm thinking i build it and submit for approval	03:25
+perlDreamer	well, if he doesn't like it, blame me since I can't be fired	03:25
+perlDreamer	if he does like it, take all the credit for it	03:25
+patspam	preaction: is CSS/JavaScript::Packer better than JavaScript/CSS::Minifier[::XS]?	03:27
@preaction	patspam: HTML::Packer does JS and CSS automatically if the JS::Packer and CSS::Packer are installed	03:27
@preaction	that's why i picked it	03:27
+patspam	ah ok	03:28
+perlDreamer	what about speed?	03:28
@preaction	wasn't a factor in my decision. the ::Minifier and ::Packer were the only ones I found acceptable	03:28
@preaction	also ::Packer supports de-minifying (for CSS at least)	03:28
@preaction	and JS looks like, but not HTML	03:29
@preaction	i want to add buttons to Template and Snippet to run their content through a tidy program someday	03:31
@preaction	i should add the RFEs for that	03:31
@preaction	when pb.com comes back from the 7.7.5 upgrade	03:32
@Haarg	database has been restoring for 30 minutes :/	03:32
@preaction	it died that bad?	03:33
@Haarg	upgrade crashed	03:33
+perlDreamer	too many assetIds	03:33
@Haarg	actually something with rssfromparent	03:33
+perlDreamer	eek	03:34
+perlDreamer	wait a sec	03:34
+perlDreamer	that should have been dead a long time ago	03:34
@Haarg	yes	03:34
perlmonkey21	wow, please tell me you can turn off html compression.	03:35
+perlDreamer	in SVN, nothing except the 7.7.2 upgrade script references that	03:36
@Haarg	it's due to some assets that still exist in the database	03:36
@preaction	perlmonkey21: you can, on a per-template basis. i'm thinking of making the Debug Mode automatically turn off all compression	03:37
@Haarg	oh fun	03:37
@Haarg	the database is too large to restore or something	03:37
+perlDreamer	that's bad	03:37
+perlDreamer	how do you recover from that?	03:37
@Haarg	not sure yet	03:38
@preaction	Haarg: did you shut down everything except mysql on the box/	03:38
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perlmonkey21	This is the most incredible thing. Only my old survey templates will load. wgd reverting has brought up old templates. When I edit them, the new ones are there. But when I actually run the stupid thing, the old templates show up.	03:46
@preaction	caching?	03:47
perlmonkey21	no, this started after I did svn revert	03:48
perlmonkey21	then wgd revert	03:48
@preaction	browser cache?	03:48
perlmonkey21	been working for days with the new templates.	03:48
@preaction	weirdness	03:48
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@tavisto	preaction, we upgrading pb/wg sites right now?	03:52
@Haarg	yeah	03:53
@Haarg	a bit more painful that usual	03:53
perlmonkey21	patspam: I think there is something darker going on here. Look at the section edit template at the 4th from last line. That textarea should have a name "text" and id "texteditortarget", but when you go to edit a survey it will have an id of "sectiontext". Why would we both be seeing old templates?	03:53
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@tavisto	ah okay, just wondering since both are unresponsive	03:59
@tavisto	tavis pulls out his rifle and decides if he should aim at haarg or preaction	03:59
@tavisto	hmmmm	03:59
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perlmonkey21	anyone with latest want to create a survey, try to edit it, see what the id is on the textarea in the form that shows up?	04:09
@preaction	one sec	04:09
perlmonkey21	thanks	04:09
@preaction	okay, which "Edit" button do you mean? the asset edit?	04:12
perlmonkey21	no	04:13
perlmonkey21	the edit the survey link	04:13
@preaction	the id="sectionText"?	04:13
perlmonkey21	hah	04:13
@preaction	is that good?	04:14
+Radix-wrk	http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/77627/original.jpg	04:14
perlmonkey21	if you look at the template you will see that is texteditortarget or some such	04:14
perlmonkey21	something has gone wrong	04:14
perlmonkey21	the template is Section Edit	04:14
perlmonkey21	4th from last line	04:14
perlmonkey21	Default Section Edit	04:14
perlmonkey21	Radix-wrk: that is hilarious	04:15
perlmonkey21	preaction: how could the latest template not be showing up?	04:16
@tavisto	with the new widgets in wG, is it possible for people to use applications from a wG site externally on another website?	04:17
@preaction	tavisto: they can fill out the form, but the form submits to the wG site	04:18
@tavisto	(just a regular html website/intranet)	04:18
@tavisto	is it only for dataforms then?	04:18
@preaction	no, it's for any asset	04:18
@preaction	you can see one page of it, but any links or forms will bring the user back to the wG site	04:18
@tavisto	here is the question I was asked.... if I am understanding this correctly, the answer would be yes. (at least to some degree_	04:19
@tavisto	I have a question about WebGUI integration with a current HTML/CSS/ColdFusion built intranet. We are currently looking for a project and file management package that will work flawlessly with our current intranet. In regards to WebGui, does this package require one to remove all HTML built pages or can WebGui work side by side with them? We have spent a lot of time building and designing our new intranet and completely replaci	04:19
+perlDreamer	it can work side by side with them, using passThruUrls and HttpProxy	04:19
@preaction	webgui can work side-by-side, and yes even INSIDE of an existing site	04:20
@preaction	and webgui can be a wrapper around an existing site	04:20
@tavisto	my response is that they can install the WRE on the same or separate server and then it would be possible for people to widgetize assets or externally link to the pages, or even do an iframe to the content	04:20
@preaction	really any way they want to do it they can get it done	04:20
@tavisto	alright coolio, thanks. It's for accuquote.com so that would be neat to reel them in	04:21
@preaction	perlmonkey21: i deleted the revision that the id="surveyText" was in, and it STILL shows up	04:22
perlmonkey21	I've wgd'd reverted it, and there is no revision except the good one.	04:22
@preaction	tavisto: yeah that'd be great! upsell the training!	04:23
@preaction	SEND ME, WEBGUI EVANGELIST, AROUND THE WORLD!	04:23
@tavisto	well we may need to start with a developer call with them..	04:23
@tavisto	a free pre-sales one.. because I don't know what they want really	04:23
perlmonkey21	preaction: I mean where is it getting the text? There is only a single assetId for that template, and only a single entry in Templates with that assetId. How is it magically getting something else.	04:24
@tavisto	they need to specify what the crap they want to do.. and then you or rizen can give thumbs up down blah blah	04:24
@preaction	i'd offer myself to you, but you have to go through the proper channels	04:24
@preaction	MY LIFE FOR YOU tavisto	04:24
@preaction	perlmonkey21: there has to be a simple explanation for this	04:24
@tavisto	yeah it's no problemo. I usually have Rizen in on those calls anyway. If he can't make it then you're next in line	04:25
perlmonkey21	magic	04:25
@preaction	there is no magic, just technology we don't understand	04:25
perlmonkey21	an evil dark magic. the kind that originates in Texas.	04:25
@tavisto	and I shall call him...... Mini-Riz	04:25
perlmonkey21	preaction: if there is only a single template in the db with that assetId, where would it be getting this old template from?	04:26
@preaction	perhaps the ID is being set by some other method?	04:26
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perlmonkey21	naw, not unless someone has sabotaged the code.	04:28
perlmonkey21	it doesn't change its templates	04:28
perlmonkey21	and the default template in code matches the one in the databse.	04:28
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perlmonkey21	I mean there are only 3 templates in the database with the correct namespace. 1 is the correct, and the 2 others would at least get that element correct.	04:30
@Haarg	it would be nice if they stopped making the sourceforge website worse all the time	04:30
perlmonkey21	github will make it obsolete	04:31
@preaction	select assetId from template where template LIKE "%sectionText%"	04:31
@preaction	Empty set (0.02 sec)	04:31
@preaction	wtf is this noise?	04:31
perlmonkey21	Texas	04:31
@preaction	the template DOES NOT EXIST	04:31
@preaction	i even did "ack sectionText lib www" and nothing comes up	04:32
@preaction	my browser cache has been cleaned, and is disabled	04:32
@preaction	i've cleared the webgui cache	04:32
@tavisto	preaction, I'm not sure about the training in DC... I just heard back from the contact and they're trying to install wG on solaris	04:32
perlmonkey21	Not even Darth Vader could pull this off. Something fowl is afoot. I blame Donald Duck!	04:32
perlmonkey21	preaction: yes, I did all that. I've rm'd the cache in both locations from the CLI, just to make sure.	04:33
@preaction	tavisto: so that's what all the stuff on the forums is. shouldn't be a problem really	04:33
@tavisto	they are interested in a support contract but it looks like we aren't really keen on doing that	04:33
@tavisto	not sure, I'm entirely too busy to check the forums lately. However, they are really interested in using WebGUI.. it's just tough since they want to use that.	04:34
@tavisto	And they're doing a source install	04:34
perlmonkey21	preaction: what is exceptionally crazy, is this is happening to everyone. Not limited to a single instance.	04:34
@preaction	tavisto: that also shouldn't be a real problem, provided they know what they're doing. someone on-site for a day or three of training could tell them what they're doing ;)	04:34
@tavisto	that's the problem	04:35
@tavisto	I don't think the install is going at all.	04:35
perlmonkey21	crap, i guess I should start putting in traces in the calls for the template	04:35
@tavisto	and when I asked them if they're willing to switch to another platform.. the answer was.... uh.... don't think so	04:35
perlmonkey21	frak me	04:35
@tavisto	however, the good news is that they are approved to use WebGUI. Sounds like that's quite a bit of work to get to that point	04:36
* perlDreamer calls the oklahoma chapter of the Frak Perlmonkey Brotherhood		04:36
@tavisto	my contact had a friend in the NSA who was like... "webgui... oh yeah we use it and love it"	04:36
@tavisto	so it helps to have those friends in high level secret security organizations	04:36
@preaction	afaik there isn't any real problems with Apache 2 and mod_perl2 on a modern solaris	04:36
@tavisto	rizen said that previously we only had 1 client who used solaris... then they switched b/c they couldn't keep mysql stable	04:37
@preaction	ah, so mysql is the problem	04:37
@tavisto	yep	04:38
@tavisto	and since this is going to be a high profile govie site.. we can't really risk it	04:38
@tavisto	and I can't exactly sell someone a best-effort support contract :)	04:38
+perlDreamer	what arcane perl incantation is supposed to remove a session object from the database	04:39
@preaction	yeah, there are a lot of fun notes about Solaris and MySQL	04:39
@preaction	perlDreamer: $session->delete maybe?	04:39
@tavisto	i was surprised that there wasn't any solaris install instructions on the wiki..	04:40
+perlDreamer	nope	04:40
+perlDreamer	tavisto, Sun is being bought for a reason	04:40
+Radix-wrk	should be easy since they're all owned by sun, but never that easy really is it	04:40
+perlDreamer	and it's not solaris	04:40
@preaction	yeah, even making solaris open-source is not saving it	04:40
+Radix-wrk	I have a friend who works for sun on mysql - if you tell me what the problem is specifically I can ask him about it at least and see what he knows.	04:41
+perlDreamer	hm it says that var->end is supposed to do it	04:41
@preaction	yeah, that's what the Delete Expired Sessions does	04:41
perlmonkey21	is the htmlpacker cacheing thsi stuff on disk?	04:42
@Haarg	the asset with sectionText in it is 1oBRscNIcFOI-pETrCOspA	04:42
@preaction	perlmonkey21: template and templatePacked in the database	04:42
@preaction	hell	04:42
@preaction	there it is	04:42
@preaction	but why	04:42
@preaction	is there some limitation of the "filter" property in the definition?	04:43
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@Haarg	i think html::packer is going to have to go	04:44
@Haarg	there are too many possible problems with it that aren't obvious	04:44
@preaction	i've got it: when update() gets called, the filter gets called, but then the templatePacked gets updated	04:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: graham * r10609 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.5-beta: Release 7.7.5-beta	04:45
+perlDreamer	needs tests	04:45
* perlDreamer is starting to sound like a broken record		04:45
+perlDreamer	I don't even listen to myself anymore!	04:45
@preaction	i was thinking how to test it without using it	04:46
@Haarg	i don't think there's a reasonable way it can ever be enabled for templates	04:46
@preaction	why? they work. the only problem is that the templatePacked is getting overwritten with bad data right now	04:46
+perlDreamer	you know, just something simple like s/^\s+//; would be good	04:46
@Haarg	http://www.plainblack.com/pr <- or that templates are not html	04:46
@preaction	so set that template to not use the packed version	04:47
perlmonkey21	I have no idea what's going on.	04:47
@Haarg	after you see the problem	04:47
@preaction	we can update the upgrade to not set the usePacked flag	04:47
@Haarg	and happen to know that it is due to packing	04:47
@preaction	so packing will still happen, but it would have to be explicitly enabled to avoid problems like that	04:48
@Haarg	maybe	04:48
@preaction	you can fix pb.com by doing "UPDATE template SET usePacked=0" and "delete from cache"	04:48
@Haarg	still seems too problematic to me	04:48
@preaction	with setting usePacked=0, nothing has changed at all	04:48
perlmonkey21	Haarg: I just looked at that template and there is no sectionText in it.	04:48
@preaction	perlmonkey21: look at templatePacked, that's where it is	04:49
perlmonkey21	ah crap	04:49
@preaction	i'm working on a fix and a test	04:49
perlmonkey21	that's what you guys were talking about	04:49
perlmonkey21	okay...whew.	04:49
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perlmonkey21	groovy	04:49
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm guessing you're up to your eyebrows in bugs. The SQL queries for bugs and RFEs on the participate page are borked.	04:50
@Haarg	hmm	04:50
@Haarg	those were definitely working at some point	04:50
+perlDreamer	sure, just earlier today	04:50
@Haarg	working now?	04:52
@preaction	yes	04:53
+perlDreamer	no	04:53
+perlDreamer	look at the top 2 RFEs	04:54
+perlDreamer	they haven't been touched in months or longer	04:54
+perlDreamer	yet they show up above things that were submitted today	04:54
+perlDreamer	similar with bugs	04:54
+perlDreamer	similarly with bugs	04:54
+perlDreamer	oh, this is totally evil!	04:56
+perlDreamer	I guess I'm going to make sessionToDelete next	04:57
@Haarg	i think version tag would be good	04:57
@Haarg	since it would take care of cleaning up assets as well	04:57
+perlDreamer	if you make an object that takes a session variable, and delete that session variable, and then try to delete the object, it revivifies the session object!	04:58
@Haarg	i think i ran into that before	04:59
+perlDreamer	if this is true, then I think we have a problem	04:59
+perlDreamer	because session->var is not the last thing destroyed	05:00
+perlDreamer	in session->close	05:00
@Haarg	it depends on the object	05:01
@Haarg	it's only going to cause a problem if they try to do work when destroyed/deleted/etc	05:01
@Haarg	errorhandler doesn't do anything on destroy	05:01
+perlDreamer	yeah, I think I'm just worrying too much about the circular nature of the references	05:03
+perlDreamer	well, time to build sessionsToDelete	05:03
@Haarg	need a break. been dealing with this upgrade for at least 6 hours today.	05:07
+perlDreamer	take 50, you've earned it	05:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10610 /WebGUI/t/ (5 files in 3 dirs):	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: Add method to clean up test sessions. This has to be done	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: after ALL other types of objects have been cleaned up.	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: More test clean-up for users, groups and sessions.	05:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10611 /WebGUI/t/ (6 files in 5 dirs):	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: Test cleanups.	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: Fix a leaking group in Asset/Post/permission.t. Threads do not clean	05:38
CIA-38	WebGUI: up their groups when they are purged.	05:38
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@preaction	is there a standard way to prevent a property from being updated through update()?	06:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10612 /WebGUI/t/Asset/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Another batch of clean-ups for users and groups.	06:11
@preaction	nm, it has to be during addRevision	06:11
+perlDreamer	it's hopeless	06:25
@preaction	hmm?	06:26
+perlDreamer	trying to get shipping API documentation	06:26
@preaction	bastards	06:26
+perlDreamer	preaction, thank you for being so conscientious in cleaning up things made in your test.	06:28
@preaction	you mean fixing how i broke all of webgui?	06:29
+perlDreamer	no	06:31
+perlDreamer	I've been looking at some of your gallery tests, and mech tests	06:31
+perlDreamer	and you do a good job of cleaning up users, groups, assets and version tags	06:32
@preaction	ahh, yeah	06:32
+perlDreamer	no, what happened today was almost worthy of a Kuskie-level mess	06:32
+perlDreamer	close, but not quite	06:32
+perlDreamer	you didn't destroy any websites and no one cursed at you	06:32
@preaction	yeah, i've borked webgui worse than this	06:34
@preaction	this was easy to fix even	06:34
@preaction	the upgrade problems weren't the fault of this	06:34
+perlDreamer	37 files later...	06:36
+perlDreamer	the User and Group clean-ups are done	06:36
+perlDreamer	now, to go back and look for Storage	06:37
+perlDreamer	maybe another night, between struggling with the government, kids, cats and just regular work, I'm beat	06:40
CIA-38	WebGUI: colin * r10613 /WebGUI/t/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Last batch of User and Group cleanups.	06:40
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CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10614 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): reverted usePacked. you can re-enable it carefully.	07:05
CIA-38	WebGUI: doug * r10615 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: Beginning 7.7.6 dev	07:05
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10616 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10617 /translations/German/German/Asset.pm: Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10618 /translations/German/German/Asset_Event.pm: Update from translation server	08:22
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10619 /translations/German/German/ (PayDriver_Cash.pm Shop.pm): Update from translation server	08:45
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10620 /translations/German/German/ (WebGUI.pm PayDriver.pm): Update from translation server	08:45
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10621 /translations/German/German/ (2 files): Update from translation server	09:09
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10622 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	09:09
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CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10623 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	09:35
CIA-38	WebGUI: translation * r10624 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	10:01
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10625 /translations/German/German/ (6 files): Update from translation server	11:49
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10626 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	12:18
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10627 /translations/German/German/PassiveAnalytics.pm: Update from translation server	12:18
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10629 /translations/German/notes.txt: Update from translation server	13:01
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10630 /translations/French/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	13:22
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10632 /translations/Russian/ (31 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server	14:40
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10633 /translations/French/French/ (Account_Contributions.pm Account_Friends.pm): Update from translation server	15:18
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CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10639 /translations/French/French/Workflow_Activity_ExpireIncompleteSurveyResponses.pm: Update from translation server	16:14
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+perlDreamer	hey, BartJol!	17:47
+BartJol	jo	17:47
+BartJol	this time I really am here	17:48
+BartJol	ho's life?	17:48
+perlDreamer	Life is okay	17:48
+perlDreamer	been sick the last week	17:48
+BartJol	not good	17:48
+BartJol	but better now?	17:48
+perlDreamer	No, but it is over	17:48
+perlDreamer	How about you?	17:49
+BartJol	good	17:49
+perlDreamer	Putting big holes into the new house?	17:49
+BartJol	well, my house is going ok	17:49
+BartJol	yeah	17:49
+BartJol	seen the pictures?	17:49
+BartJol	I put some on my site wednesday	17:49
+perlDreamer	no, I'll go look	17:49
+BartJol	maybe I should internationalise my site	17:49
+BartJol	it a big mess right now	17:50
+BartJol	but I like the missing walls	17:50
+BartJol	it looks a lot more roomy now	17:50
+perlDreamer	what's this one: http://www.bartjol.nl/uploads/58/18/581890edd90e252bcd2b487db7d00f73/DSC00491.JPG	17:51
+perlDreamer	is that the main electrical panel?	17:52
+BartJol	my old electricity meter	17:52
+BartJol	yeah	17:52
+BartJol	but that one is mostly gone now	17:52
+perlDreamer	it is good to have friends to help	17:55
+BartJol	I know	17:55
+BartJol	well, and I helped a lot of people in the past, which helps me now, good brings good	17:57
+BartJol	there is even a guy that wants to come from Romania especially to help me move	17:58
+perlDreamer	that's awesome!	17:58
+BartJol	but his movement was a really tough one	17:58
+perlDreamer	danger, danger. chicks with splitting mauls!	17:59
+BartJol	we have a group of friends that get insulted when you don't let them help[ moving	17:59
+BartJol	yeah, that's the girlfriend of my roommate	18:00
+BartJol	they were so kind to move 2 walls into a more dispersed pile of rubble, enlarging the enthropy in my house	18:02
+perlDreamer	well, even though you've moved your hacking into another realm, it's good to see that you're keeping up	18:12
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10645 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Update from translation server	18:13
+BartJol	:)	18:25
+BartJol	going to coomk	18:25
+BartJol	cook	18:25
+perlDreamer	went to eat breakfast	18:27
+perlDreamer	Haarg, svn del https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_Story look right to you?	18:40
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10646 /translations/German/German/ (Shop.pm Asset_Template.pm): Update from translation server	18:45
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10647 /translations/German/German/Asset_Product.pm: Update from translation server	18:45
+perlDreamer	BartJol, somebody is doing a huge amount of work translating German	18:45
+perlDreamer	they are nearing 79%	18:46
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+BartJol	perlDreamer: 79? oops	18:50
+BartJol	getting skakky	18:50
+BartJol	slakky	18:50
+perlDreamer	no, the Germans are doing great	18:50
+perlDreamer	Dutch is only down to about 92.4% or so	18:50
+BartJol	I know	18:50
+perlDreamer	but you have a house to work on, so keep your priorities straight	18:51
+BartJol	but I am getting too far behinf	18:51
+BartJol	I will	18:51
+perlDreamer	maybe we should make your student perlmonkey2 do some Dutch translating while you're on brake	18:52
+BartJol	stable is up to 98.1	18:52
+perlDreamer	stable is fine, it's just beta	18:53
+perlmonkey2	nee	18:53
+perlmonkey2	nee ik zal niet	18:53
+BartJol	yeah and rory and Bob from alpha mega will help	18:53
+BartJol	wat zal je niet perlmonkey2?	18:54
+perlmonkey2	Heeft uw hond zoals de banjo?	18:54
+BartJol	I got that message a lot in the survey...	18:54
+perlmonkey2	vertalen	18:54
+perlmonkey2	hahaha	18:54
+BartJol	but a nice outsourcing to the Netherlands will be nice, won't it?	18:55
+perlmonkey2	In het jaar 2020, disco zal de wereld regeren.	18:55
+perlmonkey2	but of course	18:56
+perlmonkey2	If I spoke Dutch.	18:56
+BartJol	well, a laptop with connection and bablefish will get you somewhere	18:56
+BartJol	probably the hospital	18:56
+perlmonkey2	yeah, with people wondering why the hover help is asking them if their dogs likes the banjo :P	18:57
+BartJol	like was translated in the wrong manner btw	18:57
+BartJol	more in "it's like that"	18:57
+BartJol	instead of "I like perlmonkey2 for his deep voice"	18:58
+perlmonkey2	Ah, I see the difference.	18:58
+perlmonkey2	That's what all the tall vikings say, though.	18:59
+BartJol	now it's "has your dog in a manner of a banjo"	18:59
+perlDreamer	only when he's properly tuned	18:59
+BartJol	how do protect yourself from vikings perlmonkey2?	19:01
+perlmonkey2	I sing softly to them.	19:01
+perlDreamer	in his deep voice	19:01
+perlmonkey2	I find Britney Spears' songs work well.	19:01
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+BartJol	:)	19:02
+BartJol	hee, it's metroman	19:02
+BartJol	food's in the oven, so a have half an hour to bug him!	19:03
+perlDreamer	Haarg, it looks like previousVersion.sql hasn't been updated, and it may have uncovered a bug in the upgrade process	19:03
+perlDreamer	I'm only getting config changes for the first upgrade script	19:04
+perlDreamer	nm	19:04
+perlDreamer	it's because I'm an idiot, and put my wgd switches in the wrong order	19:04
+BartJol	no, you're not an idiot	19:05
+perlDreamer	I'm not?	19:05
+BartJol	provided you are still not using emacs	19:05
+perlDreamer	bite your tongue!	19:05
+perlDreamer	better yet, have perlmonkey2's dog bite your tongue	19:05
+BartJol	I'll wash it with green soap	19:05
+BartJol	yugh!	19:06
+perlDreamer	that depends	19:06
+perlmonkey2	My dog is 18 years old and his teeth are mostly gone.	19:06
+perlDreamer	is the soap normally green?	19:06
+BartJol	doctors forbid me to come to close to banjo-playing dogs	19:06
+BartJol	well, normally is subjective	19:06
+BartJol	but for soap it is	19:07
+perlDreamer	one time I found some brown/tan soap	19:07
+perlDreamer	after we washed it, it was white again	19:07
+BartJol	mmm	19:07
+BartJol	maybe you should wash more often	19:07
* perlDreamer washes twice a day		19:08
+perlDreamer	once in the morning, and once after a workout	19:08
ryuu_ro	BartJol: was this a call for some translating help?	19:08
+perlDreamer	because Mrs. perlDreamer will not allow me into the living room after a workout without a shower	19:08
+BartJol	sure, if you want it to be	19:08
+BartJol	ryuu_ro: you do have a hangover I hope	19:09
ryuu_ro	why?	19:09
+BartJol	oh and my car is fixed	19:09
+BartJol	eeh, because it was queensday yesterday	19:09
ryuu_ro	yeah, but I didn't go to disco herman	19:09
+BartJol	or did you strike because of the accident	19:09
+BartJol	me neither	19:10
ryuu_ro	so I feel perfectly fine	19:10
ryuu_ro	:)	19:10
ryuu_ro	no, i was working today. Only not at the office	19:10
+BartJol	really starnge that my car doens't make any squeeky noices anymore	19:10
+BartJol	when I shift gear	19:10
ryuu_ro	did you own a black suzuki swift? ;)	19:10
+BartJol	no a white opel astra, you know that!	19:11
+BartJol	always thought that swift drivers were suspicious	19:11
ryuu_ro	true that, but I thought that you were behind the attack of yesterday	19:11
+BartJol	why?	19:11
ryuu_ro	it sounded like your kind of thing :)	19:11
+BartJol	I like the royal family, it gives you an excuse to get toatlly wasted once a year	19:12
ryuu_ro	but then i was still thinking it was a drinking and driving accident	19:12
+BartJol	me thinks tavisto is scared of me	19:12
ryuu_ro	why, he has unbelievable super powers	19:13
ryuu_ro	according to your comic	19:13
+BartJol	well, but making people look like brad pitt doesn't scare me	19:13
+BartJol	I saw him do it once	19:13
ryuu_ro	but what if he want's to make you look like Brad Pitt	19:14
ryuu_ro	that kinda scares me	19:14
+BartJol	I'd rather look like Johnny Depp	19:14
+perlDreamer	I thought you were Johnny Depp?	19:15
+BartJol	no, I only share his brithday	19:15
@preaction	Johnny Depp is like 5'6". you don't want to be that short	19:15
+BartJol	well, I won't hit my head as often	19:15
ryuu_ro	in pirates or in sweeney todd btw?	19:15
@preaction	Compared to you, im as tall as Johnny Depp is compared to me	19:15
@preaction	no, in real life he's 5'6", that's why he only works with short female actresses	19:16
+BartJol	his birthday isn't movie depending	19:16
@preaction	i live in oshkosh, where they shot some scenes for Public Enemies. they had a call for extras, but i'm too tall	19:17
ryuu_ro	no but then I know if you want to be a half dead drunk pirate or a singing and murdering hairdresser	19:17
+perlDreamer	he's not half dead, he's "mostly dead"	19:17
+BartJol	apart from the singing, I like the hardresser better	19:17
ryuu_ro	true :)	19:18
+BartJol	I am not a public enemy, I didn't try to kill the royal family. I did see Public Enemy one time though	19:19
+perlDreamer	close enough	19:20
+BartJol	prolly I will be too tall too then	19:20
+BartJol	criminals are trying to put BA's mom out of her apartment, wonder how it will finish	19:23
+perlDreamer	who is "BA"?	19:23
+BartJol	mr T	19:23
+BartJol	in the A-team	19:23
* perlDreamer guesses that BA will pity them		19:24
+BartJol	he will, but my food is ready	19:25
+BartJol	so till later	19:25
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+perlmonkey2	catching up on that scroll was painful.	19:46
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* perlDreamer thinks it's cool that Queen Beatrix rides a bicycle. Sounds very down to earth.		20:00
+BartJol	well, she doesn't do that always	20:01
+BartJol	but she's cool	20:01
+perlDreamer	Do they have any idea why that guy tried to run into her bus?	20:03
+BartJol	it seems he held a grudge against the royal family	20:04
+BartJol	but getting more info will be hard, since he died	20:05
+perlDreamer	yeah, crashing your car into a bus can make that happen	20:05
+BartJol	it wasn't a bus	20:05
+BartJol	it was a pillar	20:05
+BartJol	not less deadly	20:06
+perlDreamer	pillars are worse	20:06
dhelsten	you're sure he didn't have a grudge against pillars?	20:07
+BartJol	no	20:07
+BartJol	but it seems he said something about the royal family	20:08
* perlDreamer heads off for gym and lunch, be back much later this afternoon		20:21
+perlDreamer	for all you European types, happy house hacking!	20:22
+BartJol	by	20:22
+BartJol	ee	20:22
@preaction	perlDreamer: do you have any "How-tos" on tests?	20:31
+BartJol	he's out	20:35
CIA-23	WebGUI: hao * r10648 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): RFE #9998, mark selected inbox messages as read/unread.	20:37
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+BartJol	ryuu_ro: beer?	21:19
@tavisto	nope, he's doing the opposite of beer... Working out at the gym	21:19
ryuu_ro	unfortanely no, I have to go to my house and put a floor in	21:19
+BartJol	ah	21:20
ryuu_ro	see you later guys!	21:20
+BartJol	perlDreamer: is working out	21:20
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CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10649 /WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql: updating previousVersion for 7.7.6 dev	21:43
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10650 /WebGUI/ (67 files in 11 dirs): fixed: #9897. Fixed problem with highlighting in codearea. Updated EditArea to version 0.8.1.1	21:43
dhelsten	preaction: you there? I need to upgrade but will need to change my files back.	21:47
@preaction	dhelsten: do you still have the package i gave you? that should do it iirc	21:48
dhelsten	you mean remove the package...	21:48
@preaction	wait, what did i say? was it adding a package or deleting a revision?	21:49
@preaction	i think you have to delete the revision	21:49
dhelsten	that is more likely. As I recall the package didn't work. I just need to jump back to the revision that had the simple <dragger icon> or whatever it read, right?	21:50
@preaction	yeah	21:50
dhelsten	I also made a change in the calendar.pm file. I assume that will be overwritten with the fixed version so I don't need to do anything, right?	21:51
@preaction	dhelsten: yes	21:57
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10651 /WebGUI/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): really fixed brainfuck problem	22:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10652 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (67 files in 11 dirs): merged 10650	22:07
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@tavisto	wow let's keep it PG Preaction!!	22:23
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10653 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/editarea/ (21 files in 3 dirs): merged 10651	22:32
CIA-23	WebGUI: doug * r10654 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: updated changelog	22:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10655 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: YUI editor in the edit panel for the Survey editor now drags with the panel and hides with the panel.	22:33
CIA-23	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r10656 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: Removed superfluous function wrappers on the yui event subscriptions.	22:33
@tavisto	is it just me or are pb/wg just absolutely crawling right now... argh	22:39
@tavisto	it's probably just my crappy ISP.. but I feel like I'm stuck in mud	22:40
@preaction	tavisto: just you. works fine for me	22:41
@tavisto	alright great. Thanks Verizon	22:41
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dhelsten	I'm not familiar with IRC can someone tell me what the @ and + in front of the handles means? Also how does one indicate their status as away, etc?	23:35
@preaction	dhelsten: @ = +o = channel operator. + = +v = voiced (can talk when channel is moderated, special users)	23:37
@preaction	you can indicate away using /away, but normally you just don't have to	23:37
dhelsten	Thanks	23:39
dhelsten	I an upcoming events area for my home page using a shortcut to a calendar and overriding with the List View. At the time I thought that did it because all my events were in the future. Now I realize that this displays all events, even those in the past. Any ideas of how I can show only future events?	23:40
@preaction	a SQLReport?	23:41
@preaction	ooh, you could use a Template Toolkit template to only show an event if it's in the future	23:42
@preaction	that might be better	23:42
dhelsten	I'm not familiar with Template Toolkit	23:43
@preaction	there will be a presentation at the WUC	23:44
@preaction	but HTML::Template::Expr might be able to handle it too	23:44
dhelsten	Is TT going to be replacing HTML::Template?	23:46
dhelsten	Or will WG just support both	23:47
@preaction	i believe we're moving to TT entirely, but TT supports the HTML::Template dialect	23:47
+perlmonkey2	TT is an incredible improvement.	23:48
@preaction	yes	23:48
@preaction	ten million percent improvement	23:48
dhelsten	And in TT I could create a statement in my calendar loop such as "if event date > today then ..."	23:49
dhelsten	?	23:49
@preaction	yep	23:49
dhelsten	That will be great for non coders like myself who must rely only on the available variables.	23:50
@preaction	yeah, steve swanson (head of our design dept.) is really excited about it	23:52
dhelsten	How difficult would it be to implement a TT template for the calendar list view? Are there any examples out there I can look at? When will it be included in the core(or how do I enable it)?	23:53
@preaction	i think there's a wiki article about it	23:54
@preaction	dhelsten: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines	23:55
dhelsten	thanks. looking at it now	23:55
dhelsten	what is the name of the TT CPAN Bundle? The article doesn't say	23:57
@preaction	dhelsten: it's just called "Template"	23:57
@preaction	http://template-toolkit.org/ <- here's the main TT2 site	23:57
dhelsten	Thanks.	23:57
@preaction	you'll have to look at the Plugins for Date functions	23:58
dhelsten	I assume I need to install the module bundles as well, yes?	23:59
@preaction	the date plugin should be part of the normal TT distribution, but maybe	23:59
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dhelsten	Thanks. I'm got to get on a conf call but will play around with this later...	00:00
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+perlDreamer	preaction, how does TT support H::T dialect?	00:27
+perlDreamer	also, for testing resources...	00:27
+perlDreamer	The Developers Guid	00:27
+perlDreamer	e	00:27
+perlDreamer	my testing presentation	00:27
+perlDreamer	some wiki pages	00:27
+perlDreamer	also, see my blog for recent developments in testing convenience methods	00:28
@preaction	perlDreamer: i don't know, i'm just repeating what i were told	00:29
+perlDreamer	I did some looking on that recently, and it's not exactly true	00:30
+perlDreamer	that TT plugin just calls H::T, then passes the content on to the template	00:30
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+perlDreamer	preaction: what kind of testing questions do you have?	00:38
@preaction	none, i wanted steveo_aa to get some information on how to write tests	00:40
@preaction	i'll be writing some tests for the collab system, because i need to fix part of it	00:40
+perlDreamer	Do you guys have the PDF for my testing presentation, because it has lots of links to Perl testing in general	00:41
@preaction	i think we do. otherwise it not up on webgui.tv yet?	00:42
+perlDreamer	yes	00:42
+perlDreamer	well, I figure y'all have access to those videos whether it's on wgtv or not	00:42
@preaction	er, what year was it?	00:43
@preaction	08 right?	00:43
+perlDreamer	07 or 06	00:43
@preaction	06 here it is	00:44
+perlDreamer	05 was Help, 06 was testing, 07 was community, 08 was game show and community redo	00:44
+perlDreamer	09 is Story Manager, and Clinic	00:44
@preaction	heh, i don't get to do a presentation this year, so i'll be there to heckle everybody!	00:45
+perlDreamer	what?	00:46
@preaction	but i especially want to see the Story Manager, i've got a few clients who might be very interested in that	00:46
+perlDreamer	want one of mine?	00:46
@preaction	oh no, i've got other SOOPER SEKRIT projects I get to work on that I'll hopefully have done for the WUC	00:46
* perlDreamer needs a USB keyboard and mouse		00:47
+perlDreamer	The desk is too high	00:47
+perlDreamer	(for a laptop)	00:47
@preaction	go wireless!	00:47
+perlDreamer	we do have one of those...	00:47
@preaction	it's a business expense!	00:47
+perlDreamer	that just makes it less expensive, not free	00:48
+perlDreamer	preaction, does the editarea commit also fix the long standing bugs with display and resizing, by chance?	00:50
@preaction	resizing doesn't have a bug taht i know of, it's just counter-intuitive	00:50
@preaction	but display, no it doesn't	00:50
@preaction	it fixes the blue-bar problem though	00:50
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* perlDreamer goes running		01:46
+perlDreamer	I know, that's two bouts of exercising today, but I didn't go on Tuesday so this makes up for it.	01:47
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@preaction	i'll do zero bouts of exercising today to make up for it	02:29
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CIA-23	WebGUI: paul * r10657 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): template attachments (scripts and stylesheets)	02:45
@preaction	does anyone want to help me with a new feature? you'll have to svn up and wgd reset	02:53
@preaction	templates now allow attachments, and i want your opinion	02:53
CIA-23	WebGUI: paul * r10658 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added a changelog note about template attachments	03:17
+perlDreamer	what kind of attachments?	03:23
* perlDreamer is very curiuos		03:23
@preaction	CSS and JS	03:23
@preaction	to fix the "double include" problem and also to allow deferred loading of some JS (to improve render times)	03:24
@preaction	mostly i want an opinion on the UI, i like it, and i want to make sure other people like it too	03:24
* perlDreamer will look		03:24
+perlDreamer	so how does an attachment fix the double include problem?	03:25
@preaction	there was no attempt at parsing or whatever, so we're going to have to eventually go in manually and change the Extra HEAD tags into Attachments (if possible)	03:25
+perlDreamer	does it get registered?	03:25
@preaction	because it uses $style->setScript, which doesn't allow duplicate scripts	03:25
+perlDreamer	ah...	03:25
@preaction	and Style->setLink, which also doesn't allow dups	03:25
@preaction	in a related note, setScript can now add scripts to the body instead of the head, so there's that	03:26
+perlDreamer	if I ask you if it has tests, will you shoot me?	03:26
@preaction	no, because i didn't write it ;) so i don't know	03:26
@preaction	also, it does	03:26
@preaction	so three cheers for frodwith there	03:27
+perlDreamer	frodwith++	03:27
+perlDreamer	sub prepare could do with some review	03:34
+perlDreamer	and WGBP is to do @{ }, not @$	03:35
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@preaction	prepare? how so? looks okay to me, except that $self->getAttachments is called 3 times (3 DB queries, when we're getting ALL attachments anyway)	03:37
@preaction	why does it take us 20 lines to determine how to sort the Threads in a collab system? my god...	03:41
+perlDreamer	inside prepare, there's no need to build a variable every time through the loop	03:51
+perlDreamer	and I don't think a closure needs to be built, when a loop would do	03:51
@preaction	oh, that, i see	03:51
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Zylopfa	Hello Webguis	03:53
+perlDreamer	nice POD work in Session/Style	03:55
+perlDreamer	session/style.t tests need to be updated for all the new code	03:56
Zylopfa	Sweet my bazaar thing is still on most downloaded	03:57
Zylopfa	makes me wanna make more stuff	03:57
+perlDreamer	which bazaar thing is that, Zylopfa?	03:59
Zylopfa	Workflow Activity to Create Personal User Areas, When user is created. "	04:00
Zylopfa	I am realy busy atm making a story site i have into webgui	04:00
Zylopfa	btw. it was a hilarious php aprils fools, just read it now as i browsed the black blog	04:01
+perlDreamer	preaction, index is always 0 when I add thing to the list of attachments	04:04
@preaction	not sure if that is expected behavior or not	04:04
+perlDreamer	and because the way webgui works, I'd call them something else, like links or something, because attachments usually means files	04:04
@preaction	good idea	04:04
+perlDreamer	I see	04:06
+perlDreamer	in the attachments section, if you change the index it allows you to move them around relative to one another	04:06
+perlDreamer	but when you're adding them, any newly added thing gets appended to the end, regardless of the index, and it's given an index of 0	04:06
+perlDreamer	I like how you can easily edit the entries after adding them	04:08
+perlDreamer	change names and types	04:08
+perlDreamer	uh oh	04:10
+perlDreamer	something really bad happened to the edit screen	04:10
@preaction	that's not good	04:10
+perlDreamer	no, wait, that's the template source	04:10
* perlDreamer needs to go, it's dinner time		04:12
+perlDreamer	later, all	04:12
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Zylopfa	Have a good dinner	04:13
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elnino	HI!	06:23
elnino	I need to provide redirects for old URLs that are from a mambo install: /images/stories//uis%20-%20home%20inspection%20price%20schedule.pdf to a webgui url	06:24
elnino	but webgui seems to want to correct the double slash and %20's. is there a way to make webgui not do that?	06:24
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elnino	hello?	08:45
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wgGuest43	Hi folks	02:19
wgGuest43	anyone game to take a couple quick questions?	02:20
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wgGuest43	anyone around?	02:27
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+patspam	the EditArea syntax highlighter supports branfuck? that's awesome	02:35
@Haarg	kind of odd. i'm not sure how much syntax highlighting is going to help you when there are only 8 operations.	02:51
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wgGuest43	anyone tried out the underground template?	04:15
@preaction	wgGuest43: i made it, what do you need?	04:17
wgGuest43	ohh	04:20
wgGuest43	cool	04:20
wgGuest43	should search be working properly?	04:20
wgGuest43	for some reason it seems like the theme isn't propagating to a few pages correctly... specifically the 'search' page and the 'view my account' pages	04:20
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@preaction	the "view my account" page is controlled by the "User Function Style" in the settings	04:21
@preaction	it's considered rude to private message without asking	04:21
@preaction	but the "Search" page, that'd be a bug	04:22
wgGuest43	dude, I have been on irc since 1993	04:22
@preaction	yes, and since then the social contract has probably changed quite a bit. we get sounds when people private message now, like an IM, so it's more urgent (especially when you're using IRC for business and such)	04:23
wgGuest43	I suppose it depends on your client	04:23
@preaction	but to fix the Search page, Turn Admin On and go to the Search page, edit the Search asset and you'll see Display tab, under the "Style Template" field, choose "Underground [style]"	04:23
@preaction	i'll add it to the next revision	04:24
wgGuest43	Its a really sexy theme, I like it	04:24
@preaction	thank the guy at styleshout.com, i just put it into webgui	04:24
wgGuest43	this is my first go around with webgui, I def. prefer your theme to the default..	04:25
wgGuest43	your/his	04:25
@preaction	yeah, Tavis has wanted a way to pull default themes from the bazaar during the site starter wizard, which i think would be great	04:25
wgGuest43	That seems to work, but for some reason the menu bar at the top is garbled with a bunch of links that shouldn't be there..	04:27
@preaction	that depends on where the search asset is located i suspect	04:28
@preaction	if you Cut the search asset and then Paste it on a Search page under your Home page, that should fix it	04:29
@preaction	i'll also find a way to fix that for this release	04:29
@preaction	now i remember. i wanted to make the Navigation asset have a special "home page" start point to fix this	04:31
wgGuest43	thanks preaction, the cut/paste fix worked	04:50
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dhelsten	I know that CS assets can automatically expire. Is there anyway to get an article to do this?	05:51
wgGuest43	preaction: I made a little fix to enable search from the top navigation search window after the cut/paste thing, I'll probably make a few more changes... you have this thing in svn somewhere? I could share these with you...	06:00
@preaction	dhelsten: not currently, no	06:01
@preaction	wgGuest43: not really, wgpkg doesn't lend itself well to diff/patch. you could just e-mail it to me doug@plainblack.com	06:02
wgGuest43	cool	06:02
dhelsten	preaction: ok, thanks.	06:08
+patspam	perlmonkey2: ...	06:26
+patspam	perlmonkey2: I have a Survey scoring idea	06:27
wgGuest43	preaction: do you have a fix for enabling the underground theme for the "View My Account" pagee?	06:32
wgGuest43	nevermind =)	06:44
+perlmonkey2	patspam: what's the idea?	06:50
+patspam	heya	06:50
+patspam	well..	06:50
dhelsten	how do I get avatars to show in templates. Using <tmpl_var user_profile_avatar_value> just returns the Asset ID. I assume I need to put this in a macro to get it show up as an image...	06:53
+patspam	in the general case I think you can treat scoring as an arbitrary number of rules that get evaluated	06:53
+perlmonkey2	patspam: that makes sense.	06:53
+patspam	each rule evaluates to something, often just a true/false flag, but also possibly a numeric score	06:54
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+perlDreamer	whoa	06:54
+perlDreamer	a wgGuest	06:54
* perlDreamer hopes you guys have helped them out		06:54
+perlmonkey2	my original idea was to leave that up to the report generators.....but jumping logic seems to require some rules to be solidified I guess.	06:54
+patspam	what I'm thinking is..	06:54
+patspam	we can easily add a section to the UI for the survey builder to add in an arbitrary number of scoring expressions	06:55
+patspam	that (at this stage) just get run at survey completion time	06:55
+patspam	adding an extra 'score' data object to the response hash	06:55
+patspam	each score expression can be of the form: score({ <expression>} TAG_NAME)	06:56
+patspam	and then you can expose all those TAG_NAMEs as template variables on a results page	06:56
+perlmonkey2	hmm	06:56
+patspam	for instance, say you're recreating one of those cheesy magazine-type surveys that tell you what category you fall into	06:57
+patspam	for each category, you add a score expression: score { value(var1) > 10} CATEGORY1; score { value(var20) == 3} CATEGORY2, etc..	06:59
+perlmonkey2	Oh, I get you, and I think it is a really clever idea.	06:59
+perlmonkey2	I'm just thinking that when this is implemented, it might be a good idea to refactor the section, question, answer paradigm into something more generalized that allows for other, more speialized objects to be added.	06:59
+perlmonkey2	specialized.	06:59
+patspam	for example?	07:00
+perlmonkey2	right now a lot of very similiar code is reimplemented for all three objects. Maybe refactor that into roles, so adding a new "scoring" object won't require making 15,000 code changes.	07:01
+patspam	ah, I don't think we need to add a new object to achieve this	07:01
+perlmonkey2	instead of having jumping sections, we have a jump object that can be placed anywhere.	07:01
+perlmonkey2	I mean "logical" sections. We have a logical object.	07:02
+perlmonkey2	can be an answer, question, or section.	07:02
+perlmonkey2	or placed after any of those.	07:02
+patspam	yeah that'd be cool. And at the same time I'd love to be able to nest sections	07:02
+perlmonkey2	wait....hah	07:03
+perlmonkey2	you said add a section, and I thought you meant add functionality to the section objets.	07:03
+perlmonkey2	hah.	07:03
+perlmonkey2	nevermind.	07:03
+perlDreamer	preaction: that guy from France added 2% to the WebGUI translation for us	07:03
+perlmonkey2	okay, yes. maybe a tab button that pops up a scoring panel where those rules are entered.	07:03
+patspam	heh yeah, for the scoring expression thing the only thing we add (right at the end) is a new key in the response hash	07:04
+patspam	but in general we could do lots more refactoring	07:04
+perlmonkey2	or a special scoring screen where multiple scoring lists can be created for multiple templates.	07:04
+perlmonkey2	anyways, I dig the idea. Sounds like a really powerful feature for users. Way easier than sqlreports or figuring out how to use the temptable on their own.	07:05
+patspam	yeah, agreed	07:05
+patspam	although nothing to stop people from pulling the responseJSON out of the db and doing whatever they like with it too	07:06
+patspam	I'll implement the simplest approach with scoring expressions first, and later we can add more awesome	07:06
+perlmonkey2	absolutely.....this takes away nothing from power users, but allows a pidgin language to quickly put together a complex list of params for a template.	07:07
+perlmonkey2	man, that is just a cool idea. Seems like this could be applied to quite a few wobjects in wG.	07:08
+patspam	I'd love to do a comprehensive feature comparison of Survey with the best available web-based products out there (commercial or otherwise)	07:10
@preaction	what if SQLReport could deserialize JSON?	07:10
@preaction	hmm... but how would it know?	07:11
+perlDreamer	it would be easier in TT	07:12
+perlDreamer	since you can call subroutines and methods in it	07:12
@preaction	ha! right!	07:13
+perlDreamer	you can do that in H::T, too	07:13
+perlDreamer	they just have to be setup ahead of time	07:13
@preaction	yeah, yeah, i get it	07:14
@preaction	that would work	07:14
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10664 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs):	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions can now test whether a question	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: has been reached/answered, rather than just testing for the value	07:37
CIA-23	WebGUI: of a response	07:37
+perlDreamer	in svn, on the commandline, does anyone know how to get a listing of which files were included in a particular revision?	08:03
+perlDreamer	svn log -vr	08:06
@preaction	ooh nice	08:06
@preaction	perlDreamer: quick question about an RFE	08:07
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/hyperlinks-on-the-fly	08:08
@preaction	should i just allow a "None" entry under a template for this, or should I specifically add an option to "Enable viewing"	08:08
+perlDreamer	...reading	08:08
@preaction	basically she wants to allow Redirect asset to appear in Layout as a link	08:09
@preaction	and I think that might be a good idea, especially if Layouts get used more	08:09
@preaction	i don't use layouts as much as i probably should, but they're powerful tools	08:09
+perlDreamer	this almost doesn't sound like a template to me	08:10
+perlDreamer	more like a mode toggle	08:10
+perlDreamer	Display redirect?	08:10
+perlDreamer	or Force Redirect?	08:10
@preaction	i want a template so that more can be done, like one of those buttons on the webgui.org page Learn, Participate, Support, or whatever	08:10
+perlDreamer	If you allow a null template, you may have to subclass prepareView, view and www_view, since they assume (falsely) that the template is always accessible.	08:12
@preaction	okay, so then the "Show in Layout" toggle would work better	08:14
@preaction	it would explicitly say "This will only appear in page layouts"	08:14
@preaction	and then clicking "yes" can enable the user to select a template	08:14
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+perlDreamer	okay, it's a little more work than I thought going back through 19 revisions of template changes	08:34
+perlDreamer	but Rogier has a list of all templates that changed in each revision, along with the commit comment	08:35
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10665 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: Survey Branch Expressions now allow you to "tag" data along the way and store	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: it in the response data structure along with the actual user input. Tag data	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: can be used in subsequent expressions, in [[tag]] templated text replacement,	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: and to classify responses in an arbitrary way.	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored Survey expression utility subs that lookup values/scores/tags in	09:36
CIA-23	WebGUI: external assets.	09:36
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@plainhao	was template_attachments added recently?	16:52
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+bartjol	plainhao: where is that added?	17:05
@plainhao	yeah, it's in wg svn HEAD, WebGUI::Asset::Template	17:07
+bartjol	ah	17:10
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+bartjol	plainhao: a paul added template attachements last friday, as far as I can see	17:14
@plainhao	thanks, bartjol, i just saw that :)	17:15
+bartjol	not sure who paul is, but bug him about it :)	17:16
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+bartjol	perlDreamer!	17:48
+perlDreamer	hey, bartjol!	17:48
* perlDreamer needs to take kids to school in a few minutes, but I'll be right back		17:48
+bartjol	ok	17:48
@tavisto	Hello Big Dutch Girlyman!	17:48
+bartjol	hee tavisto!	17:50
+bartjol	everything Ok?	17:51
@tavisto	yep, been very busy and hopefully we'll have some of our newest leads turn into customers	17:51
+bartjol	cool, was that from those latest ad:tech?	17:52
@tavisto	yeah quite a few new leads from that	17:52
@tavisto	and some others that just came in from the web and cmsmatrix	17:52
+bartjol	nice	17:52
+bartjol	also rock stars?	17:53
@tavisto	one definitely has the potential	17:53
+bartjol	and further, already having kids?	17:55
+bartjol	I mostly have some muscle ache from sailing and "remodelling my house" with a sledgehammer	17:57
@tavisto	nice... did you go on a long sailing trip?	17:59
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+bartjol	no, just one day with 4 short races. but that gives you only less time to rest, so I was pretty tired	18:01
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+bartjol	in 2 weeks I will be sailing to Englanf	18:01
+bartjol	England	18:01
+perlDreamer	wow!	18:07
+perlDreamer	you have an ocean going sail boat, bartjol?	18:08
@tavisto	he has a 10ft dingy	18:10
+bartjol	no a 27 foot pion	18:11
+bartjol	and it's not mine	18:11
+bartjol	it's from a father's friend	18:12
+bartjol	a friend's father	18:12
+bartjol	and no tavisto, I'm not suicidal	18:14
@tavisto	hehe I know, I learned to sail in like a 12ft dingy.. and it was on a lake	18:14
@tavisto	it wouldn't last 5 minutes in the ocean	18:14
+bartjol	http://www.pionklasse.nl/pionnenboek?wid=122&func=viewSubmission&sid=69	18:15
carogray	bartjol: -to where in England are you sailing? I will be in Norfolk in 3 weeks!	18:15
+bartjol	Wolverstone, between Harwich and Ipswitch	18:16
+bartjol	http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=woolverstone&sll=37.062500,-95.677068&sspn=54.005807,127.529297&ie=UTF8&cd=1&t=h&z=14&iwloc=A	18:17
@tavisto	cool	18:17
carogray	aah too far south for us..	18:18
+bartjol	alas	18:19
carogray	my husband will be windsurfing all over the coast when the wind is good - except only near us - in Holt. wouldn't it have been funny if you "ran" into each other:P	18:19
+perlDreamer	bartjol, just keeping heading east, and you can sail to Madison	18:20
+bartjol	last time I sailed there I met a friend of mine in the bathroom, he also sailed that race	18:20
+bartjol	eee, you have a small little island in between: great britain	18:20
+bartjol	and a few 100's of miles USA perlDreamer	18:22
+perlDreamer	once you hit North America, just said up around toward Canada, and take a left	18:23
+perlDreamer	that'll get you to a series of large lakes	18:24
+perlDreamer	follow them until you get to michigan	18:24
+perlDreamer	once you're there, we'll take care of the rest	18:24
+bartjol	rent a car, follow route 90 west, I believe, get off at madison etc	18:25
+bartjol	perlDreamer: Illinois also ok, at leat I know my way in Chicago	18:31
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+perlDreamer	what's the good word, SynQ?	19:04
SynQ	the right word is love	20:03
SynQ	the good word, depends on the bad and the ugly one	20:03
@preaction	wow, this year's wuc is going to be awesome	20:34
@preaction	there are so many presentations i want to see... and of course some HAVE to conflict	20:35
+perlDreamer	is the schedule finalized?	20:35
@preaction	it's up on the site, i know that much	20:35
@preaction	it's mostly the beginner courses i want to see, they're a lot about how to use webgui to accomplish goals	20:36
@preaction	Lisa's "Social WebGUI" and Chris's WebGUI in Government	20:36
@preaction	Roy's Enterprise WebGUI	20:37
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+perlDreamer	BartJol? You're back	21:02
+BartJol	I am	21:02
+BartJol	got problems?	21:03
+perlDreamer	I do, do you have a little time?	21:03
+BartJol	sure	21:04
+perlDreamer	Please read this: http://jquelin.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-coders-and-translators.html?showComment=1241409480000#c892450259529363533	21:04
+perlDreamer	I found a fellow who would help us with the french translation of WebGUI	21:04
+BartJol	that's cool	21:04
+perlDreamer	he has a question about international characters	21:05
+perlDreamer	whether they should be HTML encoded, or straight characters	21:05
* perlDreamer doesn't know		21:05
+BartJol	ai	21:05
@preaction	the HTML encoding should happen by the translation server itself, if it doesn't i would consider that a bug	21:05
+BartJol	dutch hasn't gor that much strange characters (a lot of strange people we do have though)	21:06
+perlDreamer	what about unlauts, accents, and so on?	21:06
+BartJol	mostly german	21:06
+BartJol	but we have some	21:06
+perlDreamer	Haarg, you're our resident utf8 guru (due to long suffering experience). What do you think?	21:07
+BartJol	in the last editor that wasn't a problem	21:07
+BartJol	dor me	21:08
+BartJol	for	21:08
+BartJol	but I agree with preaction that they should be encoded by the serevr	21:09
@preaction	if it's even necessary to encode them, that is	21:09
@preaction	user shouldn't care	21:09
* preaction imagines a world where the translation server outputs multiple types of i18n files		21:10
+BartJol	how are the i18n messages encoded now?	21:10
@preaction	i don't know	21:10
* perlDreamer thinks that the i18n server is utf8 safe		21:10
+perlDreamer	just like WebGUI	21:10
@preaction	damnit, another project i want to do... make the encoder/decoder in the translation server pluggable	21:11
+BartJol	it says "use utf8" in the script	21:11
@preaction	that just means the code might contain utf8 characters in it	21:11
+perlDreamer	no, it's for utf8 handling	21:12
@preaction	which would be those i18n modules, since they're perl code	21:12
+perlDreamer	the filehandles use utf8	21:12
@preaction	i thought Encode was for utf8 string handling	21:12
@preaction	and "use utf8" was for utf8 inside code (like the Perl modules we use for i18n)	21:12
+perlDreamer	you're right. It's for when i18n modules are required into the code.	21:13
+BartJol	I do see html encoded stuff in the messages	21:14
+BartJol	mm, also see messages without code for same characters	21:18
+perlDreamer	that's a Data::Dumper bug	21:21
+BartJol	that is on my server. now I'm seaking for the messages in my site	21:22
+BartJol	both seem to work fine	21:23
+perlDreamer	cool, I'll let him know that	21:30
+perlDreamer	thanks, BartJol!	21:30
+perlDreamer	there's another guy on that site who says he may translate some Esperanto	21:31
+BartJol	ok, dinner time	21:37
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knowmad	perlDreamer: i have a blocked send queued email messages workflow; got a minute to help me investigate it?	21:43
+perlDreamer	knowmad, actually I have to head off for a run	21:44
knowmad	ok, i'll see what i can learn	21:44
knowmad	have a good run	21:44
* perlDreamer guesses you will find that the currentActivityId is blank		21:44
knowmad	in what table?	21:44
+perlDreamer	WorkflowInstance	21:45
knowmad	i've got nothing in there	21:45
+perlDreamer	and the workflow still won't run?	21:45
+perlDreamer	now I'm curious	21:45
+perlDreamer	but I still have to head out	21:45
+perlDreamer	making the running partner mad only means more miles	21:45
knowmad	:)	21:46
knowmad	later	21:46
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 for reference about the empty currentActivityid	21:46
+perlDreamer	knowmad, the running partner is late, so I have 10 minutes	21:51
+perlDreamer	any error messages in the webgui.log?	21:52
knowmad	yes, i'm seeing spectre connection errors	21:54
knowmad	was just reading over the bug report	21:54
knowmad	this is happening on a site that has 2 domains operating out of a single database -- like pb and webgui.org	21:54
knowmad	actually, there are more like 16 domains....	21:55
+perlDreamer	out of 1 db?	21:55
+perlDreamer	wow	21:55
knowmad	yep, they run training courses	21:55
knowmad	we prob wouldn't do it this way again	21:55
knowmad	but we do have the webgui/etc/conf files for each of these subdomains which i wonder if we really need	21:56
knowmad	they are definitely causing spectre errors	21:56
+perlDreamer	so it's more like the main site has 16 aliases, or 16 branches all running off of 1 "real" WebGUI site?	21:57
knowmad	yes	21:59
+perlDreamer	yeah, then AFAIK, you don't need conf files for the subdomains	22:00
+perlDreamer	spectre will make requests for data for all of them	22:00
+perlDreamer	which will make duplicates of every cron job	22:00
knowmad	that might be the issue	22:00
knowmad	i just restarted spectre and mail is flowing again	22:00
+perlDreamer	what were the connection errors?	22:01
knowmad	let me get my log	22:01
knowmad	500 Internal Server Error	22:02
+perlDreamer	are there corresponding apache error log entries?	22:03
knowmad	checking...	22:03
knowmad	lots of db connection errors and then -- Label not found for "last WEBGUI_FATAL" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 235.	22:06
knowmad	hadn't seen that one before	22:06
+perlDreamer	sorry, knowmad, this makes twice that I need to run out on you.	22:06
+perlDreamer	I'd file this as a new bug	22:06
+perlDreamer	since the WEBGUI_FATAL label _does_ exist over in URL/Content.pm, line 58	22:07
+perlDreamer	later	22:07
knowmad	ok	22:07
knowmad	the problem is that this is showing up in v7.5.40 which is not supported; anyone using that version who has patched this error?	22:10
@preaction	quick advice needed on refactoring the Collab system: the "sub getThreadsPaginator" is huge, and devotes nearly 20 lines to getting which column to sort by. should that be moved into its own sub?	22:44
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@Haarg	preaction, that sounds like a good idea	22:59
@preaction	okay, so i'll try to granulate the collab system	23:00
@preaction	but i have to write the tests first, then i can granulate, then i can test the newly granulated method	23:00
@preaction	evil...	23:00
@Haarg	also, re: pluggable encoder/decoder in the translation server	23:00
@Haarg	what are you referring to with that?	23:00
@preaction	we could use the translationserver.cgi to also do GNU gettext or some other program's proprietary database i18n or something	23:01
slickware	I just got the WUC2009 email - looks like it's filling up nicely	23:01
@preaction	make the translation server generally useful, to lead an effort to crowd-source i18n for more programs	23:01
@Haarg	hmm	23:01
@preaction	like the blog post perlDreamer linked to suggests	23:01
@preaction	i dunno if it's possible, or even a good idea, but probably a few projects have i18n like ours (just key => value pairs essentially)	23:02
@Haarg	i've started work on a new translation server, but it can't do much yet	23:03
@preaction	ooh nice	23:04
@Haarg	but it's very specific to our usage - getting it to handle that would be even harder than doing so with the current translation server	23:04
@preaction	aww	23:05
@preaction	eh, it's not a priority	23:05
@preaction	just another wall-banging idea	23:05
@Haarg	i still have to adjust and finalize the design in a few places though, so i'll keep that in mind	23:05
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@Haarg	i should try to get it cleaned up enough to where i could put it on github	23:07
+perlmonkey2	Anyone do anything outside on May 1st?	23:14
@preaction	nope, was supposed to go for a bike ride but couldn't	23:15
@preaction	today is beautiful though, so i can make it up	23:15
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+perlmonkey2	preaction: not funny?	23:41
@preaction	didn't watch yet	23:42
@preaction	that's beautiful	23:44
+perlmonkey2	yeah, totally made my day.	23:44
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+perlDreamer	wow, so all you Plain Black guys don't have to present this year	23:53
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm trying to think of a way to automatically test shipping and payment drivers that require development keys	01:07
+perlDreamer	is it safe to stash them in the config file?	01:07
@Haarg	so anyone can run the tests?	01:08
+perlDreamer	well, no	01:11
+perlDreamer	developer keys are licensed on a 1/person basis	01:12
+perlDreamer	so I can't hardcode a set inside the tests	01:12
+perlDreamer	so the config file was the next best option I could think of	01:12
@Haarg	developer keys are separate from user keys?	01:12
@Haarg	or whatever the person running the site would need?	01:13
+perlDreamer	yes. they go to a non-production server	01:13
+perlDreamer	at least for this 1 driver setup I've found	01:13
+perlDreamer	for ITransact, you tell the remote end whether it is a test or not.	01:13
+perlDreamer	but for others, you get a developer key, or a user key	01:13
@preaction	i like the ITransact way :p	01:14
@Haarg	well, the config file seems as good as any place for a developer key. user keys would need to be in the ui of course.	01:15
+perlDreamer	yeah	01:19
+perlDreamer	in all likelihood, only 2-3 people will ever run the tests	01:19
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zylopfa	Wouldn't it be a good idea to make the "Send Mail To Group" function be templatable?	01:43
zylopfa	So you can send mail where fields in the userProfileData and user tables can be used in mails?	01:44
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, that almost sounds like something you could do with macros	01:54
+perlDreamer	are they evaluated in that email?	01:54
zylopfa	Its because i have a group with 400 members i wish to send an email with invitation to testdrive the site	01:54
zylopfa	and in the mail i need vars such as <ttmpl_var username> <tmpl_var temppassword>	01:55
zylopfa	Macros arent evaluated in the sendtogroup function	01:55
zylopfa	I tested it a moment ago	01:55
zylopfa	Imo it should be templatable cause when you send out to a group chance is you wish to use some fields in userProfileData	01:56
zylopfa	to make the mails more personal	01:56
zylopfa	I will make a Mailer.pm wobject i think to facilitate sending mail to groups with templated messages	02:00
zylopfa	instead of grinding at the core of webgui	02:00
zylopfa	Its the whole group mailing function that is assuming that each of the group will receive the exact same mail	02:00
+perlDreamer	it would be a good RFE to add macros to the send group mail	02:01
+perlDreamer	1 line of code	02:01
zylopfa	yeah perlDreamer but that dont change it	02:01
+perlDreamer	and safe from security, since only admins can use that function	02:01
+perlDreamer	huh?	02:01
zylopfa	if you macro ^User(name);	02:01
+perlDreamer	yes	02:01
zylopfa	in the message you send	02:01
zylopfa	it will only have Admin in it	02:01
zylopfa	for all the users	02:01
+perlDreamer	no :)	02:01
zylopfa	yeah	02:02
zylopfa	Cause the mail function send 1 mail	02:02
+perlDreamer	no	02:02
zylopfa	it dont iterate the messages	02:02
zylopfa	it only send it with changed email address	02:02
+perlDreamer	Operation/Group.pm, line 634	02:02
+perlDreamer	toGroup = $session->form->process('gid')	02:02
+perlDreamer	that makes it send 1 email to each person in the group	02:02
+perlDreamer	and they're processed individually	02:02
zylopfa	yesh but look in the mail sender	02:02
zylopfa	look in that sub	02:03
zylopfa	I will make this wob	02:03
zylopfa	WebGUI::Mail::Send->create	02:03
+perlDreamer	it pushes 1 email into the queue	02:03
zylopfa	yes	02:03
+perlDreamer	but it sends 1 email to each user in the group	02:03
zylopfa	and wont iterate it	02:03
zylopfa	yeah but it wont change the email body	02:03
+perlDreamer	that is what would need to change	02:04
zylopfa	sure you can make it do it	02:04
zylopfa	but its more than 1 line	02:04
+perlDreamer	you're right, it is more than 1 line	02:04
zylopfa	Sir	02:05
zylopfa	Also you have to change the send thing	02:05
+perlDreamer	yes, indeed	02:06
zylopfa	and perhaps the queue function also	02:06
+perlDreamer	queue would have to be modified to handle sending to a single person	02:07
zylopfa	yeah	02:07
zylopfa	For now i will make a wobject with a "Group" field, a HTMLArea field, subject field	02:07
zylopfa	and when i send with my wobject, it will interpolate all the fields in userProfileData with <tmpl_var profilefield>	02:08
zylopfa	I so love the webgui API, its simply genious	02:09
zylopfa	I am calling my new wobject GroupMailer	02:10
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* patspam is sad there's only 2 days of wuc talks now		02:24
* zylopfa comforts patspam		02:25
+perlDreamer	patspam, maybe we should hold an extra conference day on Wednesday, anyway	02:26
+patspam	hackathon?	02:26
+perlDreamer	sure!	02:26
+patspam	sweet!	02:27
+perlDreamer	JT's house has 3 levels	02:27
+perlDreamer	1 level for each track	02:27
+patspam	heheh awesome	02:27
+perlDreamer	API hacking on the first floor	02:27
+perlDreamer	UI hacking on the 2nd floor	02:27
+perlDreamer	and leftover hacking (business, management, strategy) on the 3rd floor	02:27
+patspam	and lightning talks at lunch :)	02:27
zylopfa	sounda awesome	02:28
+perlDreamer	you coming, zylopfa?	02:28
zylopfa	to bad i am no there :/	02:28
zylopfa	Its in the US isnt it ?	02:28
+perlDreamer	maybe you could hitch a ride on BatJol's boat	02:28
zylopfa	haha nice	02:28
zylopfa	I definately wanna come some time	02:28
+perlDreamer	it's like 5 times better than IRC, since you can see people	02:33
* patspam heads out for coffee		02:34
zylopfa	I have read all about you guys so you are the only ones I "know"	02:35
zylopfa	would be awesome to meet up at wuc	02:35
zylopfa	I am going for 1000+ karma this year i only have 542 atm :(	02:41
+perlDreamer	how do you earn your karma?	02:42
zylopfa	I have made some of the danish translation (i am the only from Denmark doing it)	02:44
zylopfa	And i have fixed some small bugs	02:44
* perlDreamer would give you 1000 karma for 50% completion of the Danish translation		02:44
zylopfa	and i have made a thing in the bazaar that some liked	02:44
zylopfa	awesome perlDreamer	02:44
zylopfa	I have yet to understand why not many from Denmark use webgui	02:45
zylopfa	Its gold waiting to be picked up imo	02:45
+perlDreamer	it's just that people don't know about it	02:45
zylopfa	yeah true	02:45
zylopfa	but maybe also cause you need to know about linux to get it installed	02:46
+perlDreamer	yes, installation is still hard	02:46
+perlDreamer	time for me to make dinner for the kids, be back later	02:47
zylopfa	I am lucky that i know everything about linux to host webgui, i have my own 1 man company that design, host and make apps for webgui	02:47
zylopfa	Take care perlDreamer !	02:47
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zylopfa	If you have a variable $message containing template variable tags	05:11
zylopfa	how can you prepare it, like you do normal templates?	05:12
zylopfa	I want to replace all <tmpl_var something> in this variable with the $var fields	05:12
+patspam	zylopfa: in your wobject code?	05:13
zylopfa	yes Sir	05:13
+patspam	do you want to add those vars to an existing template that's being used?	05:13
+patspam	or template something that currently isn't templated?	05:13
zylopfa	just a simple text scalar i wish to replace <tmpl_var something> tags with the %var things	05:14
+patspam	ah ok	05:14
zylopfa	return $self->processTemplate($var,$my-text);	05:14
zylopfa	something like this	05:14
+patspam	you use the same template engine that the rest of webgui uses	05:14
zylopfa	but not with a template variable	05:14
zylopfa	I just wish my $text variable containing the text from a htmlarea to be the template	05:15
zylopfa	can that be done?	05:15
+patspam	sure!	05:16
+patspam	if I understand you correctly..	05:16
zylopfa	I GOT IT NOW :D	05:17
zylopfa	sub processTemplate {	05:17
zylopfa	my $self = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $var = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $templateId = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	my $template = shift;	05:17
zylopfa	sorry for spam	05:17
+patspam	that's ok.. you can use pastebin	05:17
+patspam	webgui.pastebin.com	05:17
zylopfa	but i see that it just needs an argument more which can be the template	05:17
zylopfa	in pure text	05:17
zylopfa	god i love webgui all is taken care of	05:17
zylopfa	patspam, I just made a GroupMailer wobject	05:18
zylopfa	a simple thing that has a Group, Subject and mail message	05:18
+patspam	congratulations :)	05:19
zylopfa	and then it sends the mail message to all users in the group, and it also substitute template variables like <tmpl_var username> and	05:19
+patspam	great to hear that you've caught the webgui bug =D	05:19
zylopfa	all fields in the userProfileData	05:19
zylopfa	I made a Wobject for it instead of changing the code	05:19
+perlDreamer	zylopfa is porting an old website with ~10K users to WebGUI	05:19
zylopfa	yeah perlDreamer	05:20
+patspam	legend!	05:20
zylopfa	i make this wobject to send out to 400 of the users to test the beta version	05:20
zylopfa	i neede the mail i send to be like: Dear <tmpl_var username> ... bla bla here is your password <tmpl_var tmppassword>	05:21
+patspam	zylopfa: doing it as a wobject is totally fine, but next time around you might want to do it as a Content Handler instead.. you still have access to the same awesome webgui API, but instead of having a wobject that conceptually is an asset to be added (possibly in multiple places) as content, you have a single interface that controls your mailouts	05:23
zylopfa	ahh thanks a lot patspam, it makes more sense as you say to have 1 on the entire site instead of being able to add more of them	05:24
+perlDreamer	it would be be even better if the Mail/Send API didn't suck and it was easy to evaluate Macros in emails sent from WebGUI	05:25
zylopfa	yeah true perlDreamer	05:25
zylopfa	I didnt wanna mess with it thats why i made the wobject	05:25
zylopfa	cause its in the design that you have to change some things	05:25
zylopfa	in the way the mailer was designed from the start	05:25
+perlDreamer	exactly	05:26
zylopfa	Its strange though that it assumes you wish to send the totaly same mail to a group of users	05:26
zylopfa	ok you can send a newsletter out but i like the personalization bit	05:26
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+perlDreamer	submit an RFE about it, zylopfa	05:30
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zylopfa	yeah I will do it now	05:30
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+perlDreamer	we'll figure it out someday	05:30
+perlDreamer	unless you get to it first :)	05:30
zylopfa	Also i have a question about User->profileField	05:30
+perlDreamer	yes?	05:30
zylopfa	it can return a users profile field using profileField(fieldname)	05:31
zylopfa	I was wondering why it doesnt have a profileField() way to be called	05:31
zylopfa	so it return all the profilefields as a hash	05:31
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elnino	when I do a ps aux, should the number of modproxy = modperls?	05:34
+perlDreamer	it could zylopfa. it just doesn't	05:35
zylopfa	elnino, I think so i have equal numbers on my install	05:36
elnino	I usually do too, but for somereason I do not a this time. Just happened to look.	05:36
elnino	in the wre.conf file, what is the difference between wreMonitor -> modproxyAdministrativelyDown and wreMonitor->items->modproxy ?	05:49
@preaction	elnino: the wremonitor keeps track if you wanted to restart mysql, (that's administratively down), and it temporarily doesn't check it	05:53
elnino	preaction, then what does wreMonitor->items->modproxy control?	05:54
@preaction	whether or not it should monitor modproxy at all	05:55
elnino	so if I disable wreMonitor->items->modproxy, then I don't need to do wreMonitor->moproxyAdministrativelyDown?	05:55
elnino	s/need to/need to disable	05:55
elnino	and if I have wreMonitor->items->modproxy enabled, and modproxyAdministravelyDown disabled, what would wreMonitor do? just tell me? and not try to restart it?	05:56
@preaction	right	05:56
@preaction	modproxyAdministrativelyDown is set by wreservice.pl, it's not something you do manually	05:57
elnino	oh. then why is it in the conf file?? =)	05:57
elnino	I'll go fix my wiki. =)	05:57
@preaction	probably because it was just easier to put it there for JT	05:57
elnino	lol	05:57
elnino	it's set by wreservice or wremonitor?	05:59
@preaction	wreservice.pl	06:01
elnino	preaction - do YOU konw if when ps aux is performed if the number of modproxy should equal modperls? I stopped the services on my server, double checked they were gone, and started them, and they still don't equal the same number.	06:01
elnino	theres less modperls than there are modproxies.	06:02
elnino	thanks for clarifying myother quesiton. I fixed my wiki	06:02
elnino	.	06:03
elnino	zylopfa and I were both under the impression that the number of each should equal.	06:03
@preaction	modproxy should be more, since it will serve static files as well	06:04
elnino	oh. ok. I used to have 10/10 and I now am noticing I have 14/7. Plus I think my modproxy is proxying an apache site (which I suspect would also affect this). I guess I never saw this before.	06:05
elnino	I suppose it depends on the time of day.	06:05
elnino	tomorrow, I'll be upgrading to 7.6 yippee!!	06:06
elnino	long awaited. Have a good night all!	06:07
+patspam	night elnino!	06:21
* patspam heads off for lunch		06:21
zylopfa	anyone on for a quick question?	06:39
@preaction	perhaps	06:43
zylopfa	I am working on making my $text variable be templated	06:44
zylopfa	and i have found the function	06:44
zylopfa	my $message= WebGUI::Asset::Template->processRaw($session,$tmpmsg,$var);	06:44
zylopfa	but it wont do anything :( the <tmpl_var > in the text doesn't get substituted	06:45
zylopfa	sure i could just do a s/<tmpl_var fieldName>/$var->{'fieldname'}/gi;	06:52
zylopfa	but that seems lame when there is a template system already in place	06:52
@preaction	so $tmpmsg contains "<tmpl_var something>" and $var contains { something => "some text" } ?	06:54
zylopfa	Exactly	06:54
@preaction	can you pastebin the actual code somewhere? or a minimal test case perhaps?	06:55
zylopfa	the only thing i get in the $message is the original text with the "<tmpl_var something> in them	06:55
zylopfa	so the processor return the string i gave it but doesnt seem to substitute anything	06:55
zylopfa	LOL preaction i found out why!!	07:06
zylopfa	sometimes i am too stupid for my own good	07:09
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CIA-23	webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rf023b7e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Improved Survey exportStructure - http://bit.ly/EKldZ	09:55
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguians!	16:19
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+perlDreamer	bopbop, preaction, Haarg: we need a SPAM post removed from the forum	18:52
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/combining-response-driven-with-section-survey/5#id2sbscGbO33OJsV9eR3HM0A	18:52
@bopbop	gone	18:57
@bopbop	there were three users who posted a bunch of those last nige	18:57
@bopbop	night	18:57
+perlDreamer	grrrr	18:57
@bopbop	yep	18:58
+perlDreamer	what they seem to be doing is taking posts, copying the contents, and then inserting spam links into the original post.	18:58
+perlDreamer	even the username is suspect, yahoohao	18:58
@bopbop	yeah, not nice	18:58
@bopbop	there was another called sinalong	18:58
+perlDreamer	nice	18:58
+perlDreamer	at first, with that yahoohao username, I thought plainhao was testing a SPAM filter	19:01
+perlDreamer	then I realized that if he had, he would have deleted it after the test	19:01
@bopbop	I assumed yahoohao was hao from our staff	19:02
@bopbop	so I didn't look at that one	19:02
@bopbop	oh yeah... what you just said	19:02
@bopbop	:)	19:02
* plainhao was elsewhere doing other naughty things, truly.		19:03
@plainhao	how's your thumb, bopbop?	19:04
@bopbop	sore	19:04
@bopbop	not good	19:04
@plainhao	how's your kid, failed the test?	19:04
+perlDreamer	what happened to the thumb?	19:04
@bopbop	failed the test-yeah!	19:04
@plainhao	cool	19:04
* plainhao is happy that bopbop's kid failed the official test.		19:05
@bopbop	I cut off the corner of my thumb yesterday while chopping some vegetables- took off a a good chunk of the fingernail and underlying nail bed and the the side/corner	19:05
+perlDreamer	ouch!	19:05
@plainhao	did you go to e.r.?	19:05
@bopbop	no	19:05
@bopbop	probably should have	19:06
+perlDreamer	yes!	19:06
+perlDreamer	they can reattach if you go quickly	19:06
* plainhao is amazed at cheeseheads.		19:06
+perlDreamer	that happened to my mom	19:06
+perlDreamer	she cut off part of her thumb with an axe	19:06
+perlDreamer	(not while chopping vegetables)	19:06
@bopbop	it gives me the willies every time I change the bandage - yikes, an ax?	19:06
@bopbop	chopping off chicken heads instead?	19:06
+perlDreamer	she was chopping wood	19:06
@bopbop	ow	19:07
+perlDreamer	don't ask why her hand was on the wood while chopping	19:07
@bopbop	hehe	19:07
* plainhao thinks she should've asked someone else to hold the wood.		19:07
+perlDreamer	I was inside on a break	19:07
+perlDreamer	otherwise I would have chopped it off for her	19:07
@bopbop	did she get it reattached	19:07
@bopbop	or was she tough	19:08
+perlDreamer	she did	19:08
@bopbop	like me	19:08
+perlDreamer	s/tough/other adjective/;	19:08
+perlDreamer	she even got the feeling back after a couple of years	19:08
@bopbop	I actually was being kind of a chicken- I was afraid they would cauterize it, which I hear hurts really bad	19:08
+perlDreamer	in the meantime, she used it to stir hot coffee	19:08
@bopbop	yeah, my thumb is pretty numb	19:08
@bopbop	nice	19:08
+perlDreamer	that's my mom	19:08
+perlDreamer	you should still have a doctor look at it, bopbop	19:09
@bopbop	we'll see	19:09
@bopbop	the bleeding has slowed way down	19:09
@bopbop	so I think I'm in the clear, but if the pain picks up or things start to turn colors I'll go in	19:10
@bopbop	there's not really anything they can do at this point	19:10
+perlDreamer	rum	19:11
+perlDreamer	good astringent and pain medication	19:11
@bopbop	yeah	19:11
@bopbop	It is cinco de mayo- tequila might work too	19:11
+perlDreamer	there ya go	19:11
+perlDreamer	so how come all the other PB guys got to wiggle out of their WUC talks but you're still on?	19:12
@bopbop	cuz I'm cool	19:12
@bopbop	I don't know actually	19:12
@bopbop	but I'm fine with it	19:12
+perlDreamer	there's not even PB&J, so you must be way cool	19:12
@bopbop	obviously	19:12
+perlDreamer	yeah. Just so you know, there are other ways to celebrate Cinco de Mayo instead of making the thumb red, green and white.	19:14
@bopbop	oh I'm sure	19:14
@bopbop	but I can wave my thumb in the air like the flag	19:15
@bopbop	so it's convenient	19:15
* perlDreamer thinks if he teases you much more about it that the thumb may be replaced with another finger.		19:15
@bopbop	:)	19:15
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zylopfa	Greetings, all the americanos are up now ;)	19:59
+perlmonkey2	Vote, worst Perl OO implementation?	20:04
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, we need some more context for that one...	20:06
+perlDreamer	gotta scoot, gym time	20:07
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: well, was the original OO of just blessed hashes worst? inside-out? etc?	20:07
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10666 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Fix wrong attribute for script tag in Dataform.	20:08
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10667 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Textarea.pm): Backporting script attribute fix for Form/Textarea	20:08
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topsub	Is there a way to disable emails that a user would get from buying something from webgui?	21:26
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+perlDreamer	topsub, in 7.7 there will be	22:47
+perlDreamer	I think	22:47
+perlDreamer	in 7.7 there will be a way to configure how/if you get inbox notifications	22:47
topsub	pd, ahh	22:48
topsub	i think i found the sub that sends out emails that i will override if the client approves the time	22:48
topsub	we have a custom pay driver that i can move the sub into and almost "null" it out	22:48
* perlDreamer can't remember whether that emails directly, or whether it is an inbox message.		22:55
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+perlDreamer	it goes through the inbox	22:58
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+perlDreamer	hey, Haarg!	23:03
@Haarg	greetings	23:03
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+perlDreamer	EPO Ironman is up to 100 signups in its first month	23:16
+perlDreamer	including recent submits from patspam and perlDreamer	23:16
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I think there may be a bug in Crud's serialized data types	00:55
+perlDreamer	are you close to release?	00:55
@Haarg	yes	00:55
@Haarg	what is the bug?	00:55
+perlDreamer	I have a crud field set to serialize automatically	00:56
+perlDreamer	when I call update on it, it writes data to the database, then it resets the field to be the dataDefaultValue	00:56
@Haarg	hrm	00:56
+perlDreamer	that's what it looks like anyway	00:56
+perlDreamer	and there's no use of serialize in the core so far	00:57
+perlDreamer	time to start writing tests with a dummy class :)	00:57
@Haarg	well, this isn't a priority for the release since crud isn't even used in core in 7.6	00:58
+perlDreamer	no, I just wanted to know how much time I had	00:58
+perlDreamer	also, dataDefault for the field needs to be a string to create the database, but it needs to be a data structure when building the object	01:00
@Haarg	fun	01:02
@Haarg	assets have the same problems	01:02
+perlDreamer	really?	01:02
+perlDreamer	how do the assets handle it?	01:02
@Haarg	default is used both for form controls and for update	01:02
+perlDreamer	oy	01:02
+perlDreamer	so it breaks for the list types, or is there a fix in there?	01:03
@Haarg	form controls accept whatever they are designed to, sometimes strings, sometimes structs. update only accepts strings.	01:03
@Haarg	no fix yet	01:03
+perlDreamer	any opinions on "the right way" to fix Crud?	01:03
@Haarg	that was the problem wgd edit Template was running into if you remember	01:03
+perlDreamer	oh, yes	01:03
@Haarg	we 'fixed' it by changing the default to a string instead of an array	01:03
@Haarg	since there was no reason for it to be an array anyway	01:04
@Haarg	but that didn't help the underlying cause	01:04
@Haarg	crud should be simpler to fix i would think	01:04
+perlDreamer	it's all the same codebase, so basically yes	01:04
@Haarg	hmm	01:04
* perlDreamer is tempted to do the other fix		01:04
+perlDreamer	and make dataDefault a data structure	01:04
@Haarg	does it use the forms api as well?	01:05
+perlDreamer	well, you can hack it to make it do that	01:05
+perlDreamer	that would mean, strings	01:05
@Haarg	better for it not to really	01:05
@Haarg	the correct fix for asset's problem is to have update run every value through the forms api	01:05
@Haarg	which is kind of a significant change and i don't like the speed implications it will have	01:06
+perlDreamer	no, that wouldn't be fast	01:06
@Haarg	crud is more self contained so i would think it could just convert the default as needed	01:06
+perlDreamer	from string to data?	01:06
+perlDreamer	or the other way?	01:07
* perlDreamer is leaning toward string, because it's very nice to have HTMLForm->dynamicForm build the forms for your Crud methods		01:07
+perlDreamer	(which I'd forgotten about earlier)	01:07
@Haarg	i think allowing structures in the default would be preferable	01:09
+perlDreamer	why?	01:10
@Haarg	because the whole point of the Crud, including the serialize flag is that you shouldn't have to think about the underlying storage mechanism	01:12
@Haarg	form controls generally accept structs for value/default	01:12
+perlDreamer	this is true	01:12
+perlDreamer	wg8 can't come soon enough	01:13
+perlDreamer	we won't have time/resources to fix it all though, will we?	01:13
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@Haarg	not really	01:13
+perlDreamer	I don't think data structures will work with serialize	01:14
@Haarg	why not?	01:14
+perlDreamer	what kind of Form type is JSON?	01:14
@Haarg	this is a problem in update?	01:14
+perlDreamer	we store it as text in the db	01:15
@Haarg	<perlDreamer> I don't think data structures will work with serialize < you mean when using it with forms or fixing your initial problem?	01:16
+perlDreamer	I mean at all	01:16
+perlDreamer	I think they have to be strings	01:16
@Haarg	why?	01:16
@Haarg	fixing your initial problem is simple from what i see	01:16
+perlDreamer	well, because of the answer to the question I posed above, "What kind of Form type is JSON?"	01:17
+perlDreamer	serialized data is stored as text in the db	01:17
zylopfa	Hello WebGUIans	01:17
+perlDreamer	and crud_updateTable uses the form API to set column types	01:17
+perlDreamer	hm, SelectList works with hashes, but not arrays	01:20
+perlDreamer	and it's databaseFieldType is LONGTEXT	01:20
@Haarg	the same problem of how to define column type exists whether you allow structs or not	01:21
zylopfa	longtext is a big mofo with space	01:22
@Haarg	you have to handle serialized structs manually anyway with form -> crud storage	01:24
+perlDreamer	yes	01:24
@Haarg	so i don't think it makes a difference really	01:24
+perlDreamer	probably not, aside from handling update, crud_tableUpdate and everything else correctly	01:25
+perlDreamer	correctly and consistently	01:25
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll try data structures	01:25
@Haarg	crud->updateFromFormPost looks broken though	01:26
@Haarg	or maybe not	01:26
@Haarg	i guess not	01:26
+perlDreamer	it works okay, I've used it before, although not with a serialized data structure	01:26
+perlDreamer	okay, so here's the convention I think I'm going with	01:27
+perlDreamer	data structures in the crud_defintion	01:27
+perlDreamer	crud_getProperties returns the definition unaltered	01:27
+perlDreamer	users of crud_getProperties are expected to serialize when necessary	01:27
@Haarg	i think this is actually just a typo	01:30
+perlDreamer	in uFFP?	01:30
+perlDreamer	maybe we need a JSON dummy form type	01:31
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+perlDreamer	it is purposefully broken	01:31
+perlDreamer	never processes form data	01:31
@Haarg	http://gist.github.com/107254	01:31
+perlDreamer	yes, that's a typo, but then consider when create calls update with a data structure	01:33
+perlDreamer	which is where I am now	01:33
@Haarg	it will be encoded and stored	01:33
@Haarg	i guess i don't see the problem	01:36
+perlDreamer	I think the problem is that I'm tired, and not thinking straight	01:36
@Haarg	i'm going to fix that typo in 7.6	01:37
zylopfa	Sweet	01:38
@Haarg	i'll be back in a bit	01:39
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CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10669 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm:	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Only clone the data from Setting. This prevents trying to close the	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: session dbh twice and getting odd warning messages.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10670 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/ (Asset/Post.t Group.t Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm):	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Provide a way for WebGUI::Test to register groups to clean up at	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: the end of a test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Convert several tests to use that, including Post.t, which leaked Groups.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10671 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Forward port auto storage deletion code for WebGUI::Test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10672 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Handle automatically cleaning up users at the end of a test.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10673 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Asset/Post.t: fix Post test cleaning up core groups	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10674 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Setting.pm t/Session/Setting.t):	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Have Setting's get work like other gets by returning a hashref when	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: no param is requested.	02:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10675 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/ (Mail/Send.t smtpd.pl): improve handling of SMTP test server	02:03
CIA-23	WebGUI: graham * r10676 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm): fixed: serialized fields in WebGUI::Crud were broken	02:03
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daviddelikat	is that a new package from CPAN that I need to install?	02:15
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ckotilHOME	Any one notice something funky about search results around 7.5.40? At 7.5.32 my search results would contain keywords in with the results. At 7.5.40 they only contain metadata. No more keywords.	04:18
ckotilHOME	change logs are sparse from 7.5.31 - 7.6.0	04:20
ckotilHOME	i guess ill upgrade from 7.5.32 to 7.5.40 manually untill i find the culprit	04:21
ckotilHOME	aha! funkiness appears at 7.5.35	04:30
ckotilHOME	ohh, i have major problems with this release. macro's arent executing.	04:40
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CIA-23	WebGUI: patspam * r10680 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	05:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: Added Country question type to Survey	05:54
CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored WebGUI::Form::Country so that it can be used to return a list of countries	05:54
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+perlDreamer	setRow will handle sparse data, won't it?	07:05
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CIA-23	WebGUI: Refactored Survey ExpressionEngine tag() util into tag() setter and tagged() accessor.	09:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Updated i18n to reflect the fact that min/max/step are used for all numeric types, not just slider.	09:02
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daviddelikat	is there a perl test function/module that will do a deep comparison of a JSON data set returned from a function?	15:19
+BartJol	daviddelikat: me thinks perldreamer will know	15:36
daviddelikat	thanks, that seems likely, he usually drops in around 10:ish I('ll have to aska gain then.	15:38
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+BartJol	to what do you want to compare it?	15:48
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+BartJol	mmm, I should code more	15:54
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+BartJol	happy birthday khenn_!	15:57
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@khenn	thanks Bart =)	15:57
+BartJol	how young are you now?	15:57
@khenn	34 years young	15:58
+BartJol	oooh, so you have some more happy years tanking to go!	15:58
+BartJol	very good	15:59
@khenn	yep	15:59
carogray	yoo hoo - how do you "force the calendar to update" to get a big webgui calendar to display feeds from little calendars?	16:04
carogray	I am going round and round with scheduler and workflows and cannot figure out steps to make the calendar update	16:05
carogray	I put 4 calendars in yesterday	16:05
carogray	added ?func=ical to the end of each of the URLs and then put those URLs in the big calendar	16:06
carogray	big calendar not showing little calendar's stuff	16:06
+BartJol	carogray: sorry I don't know	16:18
carogray	k- thanks	16:18
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daviddelikat	carogray: in your big calendar you need to set the feed interval	16:20
daviddelikat	it is on the display tab when you edit the asset.	16:21
carogray	ok will have a look	16:21
daviddelikat	no sorry, thats not the right bit, give me a minute...	16:22
carogray	whoops - yeah that didn't seem quite right "period of time displayed in the icalendar feed" doesn't look like what I need	16:26
daviddelikat	I know I've seen the setting but I cant remember quite where	16:26
daviddelikat	i'll have it in a minute though	16:26
CIA-23	WebGUI: translation * r10682 /translations/German/German/Shop.pm: Update from translation server	16:27
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daviddelikat	carogray: there is supposed to be an 'update calendar feed' but it seems to have gone AWOL. I don't know why and unfortunately don't have any more time to investigate...	16:39
carogray	ok thanks... will keep it on my plate and continue asking passersby. Thanks for investigating and confirming my suspicions.	16:40
daviddelikat	i found it...	16:41
daviddelikat	from the adminmenu go to the workflow are	16:41
daviddelikat	...area	16:41
daviddelikat	then add new workflow	16:42
daviddelikat	it says 'no object' with a save butotn, click save	16:42
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daviddelikat	the update cal feed is the second on the list at the bottom, select it	16:43
daviddelikat	then save it	16:43
daviddelikat	then put a name in for the workflow and save it also	16:44
daviddelikat	don't forget to mark it as enabled	16:45
daviddelikat	carogray: are you catching this?	16:45
carogray	thanks - no I wasn't now I am paying attention!	16:46
daviddelikat	after you save the last bit then you can go to the schedular and schedule the workflow.	16:46
daviddelikat	does it make sense?	16:47
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carogray	what about Mode? I was just reading about serial, parallel and singleton...I am sure I don't want parallel - running in the background when WebGUI has time, nor singleton - I think I want serial	16:48
daviddelikat	I think singlton is what you want.	16:49
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daviddelikat	this is like email, in that you want it to run periodically, but not overlap	16:50
carogray	ok -	16:50
carogray	I will make it singleton	16:50
carogray	when I went to scheduler, it was already in there	16:50
daviddelikat	there is another workflow that schedules items that are enabled ...	16:52
carogray	aah so that workflow adds it to scheduler automatically	16:53
carogray	ok - well I ran it and of course....large calendar isn't showing small calendar's events :(	16:54
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CIA-23	WebGUI: martin * r10687 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 6 dirs): Pluggable Tax: more POD, more tests, better code and less bugs	16:54
carogray	cleared server cache and browser cach	16:54
carogray	e	16:54
daviddelikat	then check to make sure the URLs are correct.	16:55
daviddelikat	the easy way to do that is to copy them from the calendar setup and paste them into the address location in your browser	16:56
daviddelikat	it should try to download the ical data to your desktop	16:56
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carogray	yup did that already just double checked again	17:00
carogray	I right click on the edit button for the calendar	17:00
carogray	then substitute 'edit' with 'ical'	17:00
carogray	I tried your way	17:00
carogray	ical link on calendar, save to desktop but it gives me	17:01
carogray	feed.ics	17:01
carogray	when I open in notepad I seem to get	17:01
carogray	X-WEBGUI-URL:caroline_robinson/calendar/caroline	17:01
carogray	whereas url I thought I ought to be using is: http://www.mlri.org/caroline_robinson/calendar?func=ical	17:02
daviddelikat	may I click on that link?	17:02
carogray	I wonder could it be something with permissions? of course, but the calendars are only visible to mlri staff	17:03
carogray	I can make viewable to all for a sec if you think that might help.	17:03
daviddelikat	I'd like to see the data	17:03
carogray	I mean of course, click on thelink	17:03
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daviddelikat	ive got the file.	17:06
daviddelikat	there is nothing in it	17:06
carogray	huh.	17:07
carogray	I haven't made the calendar viewable to everyone - could that be why?	17:07
daviddelikat	yes	17:07
daviddelikat	it could also be why your big calendar is not getting any data	17:08
daviddelikat	you may need to make the calendar viewable to the user that runs the scheduled jobs	17:08
daviddelikat	i don't know off hand what id that would be tyhough	17:08
daviddelikat	does the big calendar show an update date for the feeds?	17:09
carogray	ugh...	17:11
carogray	sorry just playing with it a little	17:11
carogray	just made my calendar viewable to everyone	17:11
carogray	then I clicked on the link I gave you	17:11
carogray	in IE	17:11
carogray	asks me if I want to save or open the ics file	17:12
carogray	I picked save to desktop...	17:12
carogray	empty except for BEGIN:VCALENDAR	17:12
carogray	PRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable	17:12
carogray	VERSION:2.0	17:12
carogray	END:VCALENDAR	17:12
carogray	hah	17:12
carogray	when I did it before from the calendar itself...I got:	17:13
carogray	BEGIN:VCALENDAR	17:13
carogray	PRODID:WebGUI 7.6.15-stable	17:13
carogray	VERSION:2.0	17:13
carogray	BEGIN:VEVENT	17:13
carogray	UID:W03J3qc4aXK6r9XweCfRNA@www.mlri.org	17:13
carogray	LAST-MODIFIED:20090506T125612Z	17:13
carogray	CREATED:20090505T200710Z	17:13
carogray	SEQUENCE:1	17:13
carogray	DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20090519	17:13
carogray	DTEND;VALUE=DATE:20090532	17:13
carogray	SUMMARY:Caroline on Holiday	17:13
carogray	DESCRIPTION:	17:13
carogray	LOCATION:	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-GROUPIDVIEW:26	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-GROUPIDEDIT:4	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-URL:caroline_robinson/calendar/caroline	17:13
carogray	X-WEBGUI-MENUTITLE:Caroline	17:13
carogray	END:VEVENT	17:13
carogray	END:VCALENDAR	17:13
carogray	oh jeez! sorry about taking up so much space in the chat room - returns I guess	17:13
daviddelikat	best to uyse pastebin for any thingmore than a couple of lines...	17:14
carogray	yeah! OOPS.	17:15
carogray	so now that I have made my calendar public..	17:15
carogray	I looked at in IE not logged in and there are no events in the calendar	17:15
daviddelikat	perhaps the events themselves are still not public...	17:16
carogray	do you think that when the calendar was private, the events I added..right	17:16
carogray	that's what I am thinking...	17:16
carogray	so I just added another event now that it is public...	17:18
carogray	doesn't show up	17:18
daviddelikat	how does it look when you are logged in?	17:18
carogray	May 6 - month view, Lunch with May Yoga Advocacy Meeting - each on its own line	17:20
carogray	I am going to asset manager to check security on individual events	17:22
daviddelikat	look at the bottom of the event in 'edit event' and see what the setting is for 'group to view this event'	17:22
carogray	aah	17:23
carogray	mmm	17:24
carogray	I edited the branch and made security for calendar and recursively view by everyone..	17:24
carogray	when Idid what yousuggested 'everyone' was in group	17:25
carogray	refreshed browser and at least events now show up in MY calendar now that it is public..	17:25
carogray	however events from my calendar still not showing up in big, MLRI - viewable only to mlri staff - calendar	17:26
carogray	ran update feeds workflow activity again too	17:26
daviddelikat	did you re-run the update workflow?	17:27
carogray	yep	17:27
daviddelikat	also check the last update date on the feeds in the big calendar	17:28
daviddelikat	if the job has not finished yet they may still show up	17:28
carogray	Success! 1 added, 0 updated, 0 parsing errors	17:29
carogray	2009-05-06 13:38:45	17:29
daviddelikat	yippeee!	17:29
daviddelikat	now to get it to work the way you want it to	17:29
carogray	that's right- except the events are not showing up in teh calendar	17:29
carogray	oh	17:29
daviddelikat	the callendar may be a caching issue	17:30
carogray	like everything else in WebGUI ;)	17:30
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daviddelikat	cache makes fast queries but painfull debgging	17:30
carogray	I cleared the cache iin admin console	17:30
daviddelikat	fortunately we dont always debug	17:31
daviddelikat	well you dont	17:31
daviddelikat	I debug every day	17:31
carogray	I come across bugs every day - probably usually the same ones and this project was supposed to take my mind off the bug that has been preoccupying me for the last 5 weeks	17:32
carogray	grumpf	17:32
daviddelikat	which bug is that?	17:32
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carogray	it's something David Huggins is working on for me to do with env('httpreferer') and mail data forms	17:33
carogray	it's not probably technically a 'bug' ...yet	17:33
daviddelikat	everything is a bug from some point of view	17:34
carogray	then of course, you don't want to know about the bugs my son is breeding out in the garden until we manage to get a tractor to dig a whole to bury all the carcasses from the farm collected over the winter...blech gag...	17:35
carogray	dig a hole	17:35
daviddelikat	swounds like fun	17:36
carogray	so ... back to calendars, now that the technical end of webgui seems to think our calendars are working how do get people to think the calendars are working	17:36
carogray	?	17:36
carogray	it's a far cry from computers...farming	17:36
daviddelikat	so did the stuff show up aftrer clearing the cache?	17:37
carogray	nope	17:37
xdanger	could someone verify my bug finding? is there any devs around?	17:40
daviddelikat	theres folksa round, i can peek if its quick	17:41
xdanger	there is a error in the upgrade script of 7.6.0 -> 7.6.1	17:41
xdanger	the column postReceivedTemplateId is updated incorrectly	17:42
xdanger	in upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl: $session->db->write("ALTER TABLE Collaboration ADD COLUMN postReceivedTemplateId VARCHAR(22) DEFAULT 'default-post-received';");	17:42
daviddelikat	sorry, thats going to be beyond me	17:42
xdanger	but in 7.6.0-7.6.1 there is a fixShort assetId that fixes it: 'default_post_received' => 'default_post_received1',	17:43
daviddelikat	more fols pop up arount 10 though	17:43
daviddelikat	s/fols/folks/ !fools	17:43
daviddelikat	:)	17:43
daviddelikat	carogray: can you see the events from big cal if you are logged in?	17:45
carogray	nope	17:46
daviddelikat	I hope you don't mind but I am trying to pull them into a calendar on my test environment	17:46
daviddelikat	I wipe the DB about once a week	17:47
daviddelikat	so it wont be here long	17:47
carogray	of course not...	17:47
carogray	when I am on holiday, the fact that I have lunch with a vietnamese translator and yoga and advocacy meeting all scheduled at once are hardly private info	17:47
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carogray	just not particularly professional to be advertising to the rest of the world	17:48
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+perlDreamer	Mech422, Story Manager was released with WebGUI 7.7.5, if you'd like to play with it.	17:49
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I got all the bugs worked out of serialized Crud data last night	17:50
+perlDreamer	I'll side port the patch and create some more test to validate it further.	17:50
@Haarg	cool	17:50
@Haarg	what else needed to be fixed?	17:51
+perlDreamer	update	17:52
+perlDreamer	update created 1 hash which was used to update the object cache, and to write to the db	17:53
+perlDreamer	unfortunately, they need different kinds of data	17:53
+perlDreamer	JSON => db	17:53
+perlDreamer	data => object	17:53
@Haarg	ah	17:55
daviddelikat	carogray: the only event that transfered was the vacation item	17:55
daviddelikat	it does not chow up in calendar view foer some reason	17:55
daviddelikat	just found it by searching	17:56
carogray	oh no..	17:56
daviddelikat	i think you are going to have to seek a higher level techie to solve this issue	17:56
carogray	so much for productive diversions	17:56
carogray	well thanks so much for trying so diligently...and for so long. I do appreciate it.	17:57
daviddelikat	well there should be more people coming on board soon	17:57
daviddelikat	the workflow is running -- thats productive...	17:57
carogray	yeah...I guess so. thing is I don't want to distract WebGUI support from the big problem I mentioned earlier... will just have to put this on the back burner again for a while..	17:58
carogray	again thanks for trying...we did make a little progress.	17:59
+perlDreamer	xdanger: thanks for the bug fix!	18:07
xdanger	no problem	18:08
xdanger	to bad that I didn't notice it before 7.6.22 was released =)	18:09
+perlDreamer	it's all right, we'll get it fixed in .23	18:09
+perlDreamer	it's an easy fix	18:10
xdanger	yeah, fixeded it on my sites already	18:10
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: is there a perl test function to do deep comparison on JSON data returned by a perl function?	18:17
+perlDreamer	JSON data is text, so you can use like($jsonData, qr/gnarly regexp/, 'JSON check');	18:18
+MrHairgrease	daviddelikat: cmp_deeply( from_json, ...)	18:18
+perlDreamer	exactly	18:18
+perlDreamer	cmp_deeply is provided from Test::Deep	18:18
+perlDreamer	and you can find examples of it being used that way in the Shop/Tax tests	18:19
+MrHairgrease	cmp_deeply( from_json( $JSONString), ...) that is	18:19
daviddelikat	thanks that is what I was hoping you were saying	18:19
+perlDreamer	there's also Test::JSON, but we haven't used it yet	18:21
+MrHairgrease	Test::JSON seems a bit sucky	18:22
+MrHairgrease	I think it's better to use Test::Deep	18:23
+MrHairgrease	b/c it has muchg more powerful comparison functionality	18:23
+perlDreamer	I agree. The only advantage I see in Test::JSON is that it displays the differences in the JSON, vs the data structure	18:25
+perlDreamer	but that's pretty minimal	18:25
+MrHairgrease	yeah but oinly 1 level deep	18:26
+MrHairgrease	anyway	18:26
+MrHairgrease	gotta go	18:26
+MrHairgrease	later	18:26
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+perlDreamer	bopbop: are you still seeing this bug happen http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9029	18:43
daviddelikat	what is the easiest way to manage revisions on an asset?	18:47
daviddelikat	im selecting some items with SQL and I want to make sure that I have the latest row	18:48
daviddelikat	can I exclude rows with s simple clause?	18:48
daviddelikat	or do I have to go through the data with perl?	18:48
+perlDreamer	you do a subselect on the revisionDate	18:50
+perlDreamer	there are examples of it in Asset/Template.pm	18:50
daviddelikat	do you know how much that slows down the query?	18:52
daviddelikat	I'm getting EMSTicket rows and I'm told there may be thousands	18:53
+perlDreamer	very well could be	18:53
+perlDreamer	but you have to do that to find the latest version	18:53
+perlDreamer	at one point, rizen did some profiling of the cost of the subselect, and it was small	18:53
+perlDreamer	I think	18:53
daviddelikat	or I could chug through it in perl and delete the old rows.	18:53
+perlDreamer	that might be slower still	18:54
+perlDreamer	because you'd returning huge amounts of data	18:54
+perlDreamer	versus a more complex query	18:54
daviddelikat	yeah	18:54
daviddelikat	'course the other bit is that i really only want data for select locations	18:55
daviddelikat	and location does not seem to have an index	18:55
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CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10688 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs):	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: Fix a bug with the CS default post received template id. db defaults pointed	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: to a template that does not exist.	19:02
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10689 /WebGUI/docs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Forward porting CS default post received templateId fix for the db.	19:02
daviddelikat	perlDreamer: do I need to include the bit about the version tag?	19:05
+perlDreamer	what's the goal of what you're trying to do?	19:06
daviddelikat	im selecting rows to put in a table	19:06
daviddelikat	putting up the schedule for the event	19:06
+perlDreamer	yes, you do	19:07
daviddelikat	im asking mostly because i dont really understand how the whole rev control thing works in wg	19:07
+perlDreamer	because it would let people working under version tags see what their proposed (uncommitted) tickets will do to the schedule	19:07
daviddelikat	is the version tag always going to be in the scratch?	19:07
+perlDreamer	yes	19:09
daviddelikat	k thanks	19:09
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, sounds like I'm still screwed.	20:15
+perlDreamer	mysql won't let a default be set on text column types	20:15
+perlDreamer	"Root cause: BLOB/TEXT column 'jsonField' can't have a default value"	20:16
daviddelikat	have you considered usinga trigger?	20:17
daviddelikat	or is that bad karma?	20:17
+perlDreamer	yes, but killing Mysql is not the answer	20:18
+perlDreamer	sorry, bad pun there. trigger/gun vs db/trigger	20:19
daviddelikat	oh i see	20:19
daviddelikat	i had not made that jump...	20:19
+perlDreamer	it was probably better not to ;)	20:20
daviddelikat	my first thought was a horse	20:20
daviddelikat	i forget whos horse it was	20:20
daviddelikat	i gottta go to my other job	20:26
daviddelikat	back in a few hours...	20:26
+perlDreamer	somebody spammed the wiki for ads for armed security guards	20:30
+perlDreamer	of course, the Crud thing is not strictly due to serializing	20:35
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you have any idea how Crypt::Admin is supposed to be tied into the admin panel?	20:41
+perlDreamer	none	20:41
+perlDreamer	probably needs a content handler for the interface, which means it goes into the config file in the admin console section	20:41
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I don't see anything else in the admin panel that works like that though.	20:42
+perlDreamer	Asset Manager	20:43
+perlDreamer	Asset History	20:43
+perlmonkey2	ah	20:43
+perlDreamer	Shop	20:43
+perlmonkey2	oh	20:43
+perlmonkey2	ic	20:43
+perlmonkey2	thanks ;)	20:43
+perlDreamer	np	20:44
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+perlDreamer	okay, time for an early run	20:58
+perlDreamer	later, y'all	20:58
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you have any idea what's going on with the crypt branch? master has a crypt content manager but not crypt.	22:29
+perlmonkey2	has crypt dev moved to the master branch?	22:29
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+perlDreamer	no idea, perlmonkey2	23:03
SynQ	ohm	23:24
* SynQ is a xen buddist		23:24
+perlDreamer	SynQ is an electrician	23:24
SynQ	perlDreamer: congrats with your webgui-worldwide entry :)	23:25
+perlDreamer	webgui worldwide?	23:25
* SynQ notices everything		23:25
SynQ	http://www.webgui.org/w3/webgui-worldwide/perldreamer-consulting	23:26
+perlDreamer	wow!	23:26
+perlDreamer	that's awesome	23:26
+perlDreamer	thank you SynQ	23:27
+perlDreamer	I thought you were talking about my post to the partner's list about the hackathon	23:27
preaction	when did w3 come back?	23:28
SynQ	w3 never went away	23:28
preaction	new design then?	23:28
SynQ	not really	23:28
SynQ	it's been so for a while now	23:28
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+perlDreamer	I really want to build some caching into Crud	23:50
+perlDreamer	at least things like getTableName, getTableKey, etc.	23:50
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+perlDreamer	I think the end of the world is near	01:13
+perlDreamer	First, we have this swine flu stuff	01:13
+perlDreamer	now I hear the several trees in a local park are going to have to be cut down	01:13
+perlDreamer	because they have schwieneiggi butt rot	01:13
+perlDreamer	for those of you who don't speak German, that's piggy butt rot	01:14
+perlDreamer	if that crosses over like the swine flu did, we're screwed	01:14
@tavisto	I think JT already has butt rot	01:19
+perlDreamer	you only say that because he's not in channel, and doesn't read the IRC logs	01:20
@tavisto	nah I say that because I share quite a few hotel rooms with him while I'm on the tradeshow schedule	01:20
+perlDreamer	oh, well then	01:20
@tavisto	I don't read the IRC logs either.. Who on earth has time to do that	01:20
+perlDreamer	:)	01:20
+perlDreamer	Are you going to give WWN an exclusive interview recap of AdTech?	01:21
Chizad	don't read 'em, just run 'em through grep so you can see if anyone said anything about you while you weren't around. :)	01:21
@tavisto	actually I thought JT was going to blog about this.. That's true we haven't posted anything about ad:tech yet.	01:22
preaction	tavisto: Re: the "too hard to find source install" thing	01:24
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10691 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the survey exitURL hover help.	01:24
CIA-23	WebGUI: colin * r10692 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting Survey i18n fix.	01:24
@tavisto	yeah pre	01:24
@tavisto	I honestly thought we did fine by hiding it a bit.. JT wanted to as well	01:25
preaction	if they're asking for it, does it mean they're using it? and if they're using it, no matter how difficult it may be to install, should we not make it at least easy to find?	01:25
@tavisto	We also need a new box for the Local Debian & Ubuntu installs	01:25
preaction	i know we had this dicussion last month	01:25
@tavisto	well, I'm okay with adding it as the 3rd box. It previously was the 2nd box	01:26
@tavisto	Susan Baur and Knowmad both reported it	01:26
@tavisto	which kinda scares me in a way.... that they want the source install	01:26
@tavisto	but hey if they want it then I don't see any harm in putting it as the last option	01:26
preaction	perhaps there's something wrong with the WRE they haven't mentioned	01:27
@tavisto	good question.	01:27
preaction	or perhaps they just want to work with their native package systems, and the WRE requires some workarounds for that (though we could fix that too)	01:27
+perlDreamer	just make it the last box and say something like, "I wouldn't let my dog do a source install, but if you really want it..."	01:28
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+perlDreamer	might be back on later tonight	03:24
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