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--- Log opened Mon Jun 01 00:00:53 2009
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Mech422SynQ2: ping?02:55
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11078 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Prevent head tags from appearing twice in wobjects.05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: prepareView sets the extra head tags. Have all wobjects, in their www_view method,05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: tell processStyle not to set the extra head tags again.05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11079 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Backporting duplicated extraHeadTags fix.05:22
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elninowhat is wuc 2008's website? I'm trying to remember the dates for that event....07:30
elninonever mind found it.. Thanks! Have a good night.07:31
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JohnRestrepoHi guys17:46
JohnRestrepogot a question about the way webgui encrypt the passwords17:46
JohnRestrepois this md5 128?17:47
JohnRestrepoor 64?17:47
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+perlmonkey2JohnRestrepo: Digest::MD5 says it produces a 128 bit fingerprint.18:36
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11080 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add missing edit story and delete story icons in the view method of the Story Archive.19:39
perlmonkey21If there a WebGUI standard way of finding all the subclasses of a class?19:50
+perlDreamernope19:51
+perlDreamerif you mean like finding out that WebGUI::Asset::Wobject is a subclass of WebGUI::Asset19:51
+perlDreamerprogrammatically19:51
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: okay, I'll just stick a list somewhere.19:52
+perlDreamerwould $obj->isa('Base::Class') do the job?19:52
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: no, I need a list to determine which object to create.19:53
perlmonkey21Actually an edit list for the user to determine which class should be used.19:53
perlmonkey21But it should be the sum total of all available subclasses, which makes sense to add them to a conf entry.19:54
+perlDreamerSounds good to me19:54
+perlDreamerI need to take better notes20:06
+perlDreamerI was doing some bugfixing in the StoryArchive20:06
+perlDreamerand i noticed something else that I wanted to fix20:06
+perlDreamerbut I wanted to keep the commits small and topical20:06
+perlDreamerso I held off doing it right away20:06
+perlDreamernow I can't remember what it was20:06
perlmonkey21where do you normally keep your notes?20:08
+perlDreamerI use TomBoy on the desktop20:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11081 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Add edit and delete icons to the Story Topic. Update tests. Adjust both20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: sets of templates. Use the correct privileges for displaying the icons.20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Help and i18n.20:10
+perlDreamerit was important, too, dang it!20:10
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: heh, sweet, so do I.  Very handy for quick notes.20:10
perlmonkey21you ready for the F11 release?  8 more days :D20:12
+perlDreamerI'm hoping they fix some long standing bugs with my laptop, but it's a small hope20:12
+perlDreamerthe microphone works on some releases, but not others20:13
+perlDreamerand, if I cold boot my laptop without the power supply plugged in, the keyboard and mouse don't work 80% of the time20:13
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: same here.  No problems with mics in F9, but F10 has been a pain.20:13
perlmonkey21ouch.20:13
+perlDreameryeah20:13
+perlDreamerkind of puts the kink in portability20:13
perlmonkey21what kind of laptop do you have?20:14
+perlDreamerDell Vostro 151020:14
+perlDreamernice little box, aside from those issues20:14
+perlDreamerlight and fast, nice display20:14
perlmonkey21strange, i'm running a vostro 1700 without issue20:14
perlmonkey2164 bit install?20:15
+perlDreamer3220:15
perlmonkey21ah, I'm running 6420:15
perlmonkey21not sure why that would make a difference.20:16
+perlDreamerare all the vostros 64 bit machines?20:16
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: depends on the proc you got, but I'd imagine so if it is even kind of recent.20:31
perlmonkey21I think some Vostro's were sold with Pentium M's for a while, but mine is one of the mobile dual cores with 64 bit archs.20:33
@Haargperlmonkey21, what class were you wondering about finding subclasses of?20:34
perlmonkey21Haarg: a new one that isn't in core.20:34
@Haargif there is a time when you want a full list of subclasses, there is WebGUI::Pluggable::find20:35
perlmonkey21Haarg: sweet, I'll play with that.  Thanks.20:35
@Haargwell, sub namespaces really.  subclasses could have any package name.20:35
perlmonkey21yeah, I need subnamespaces :)20:35
@Haargdepending on what you are doing though, the config file may be a better idea anyway20:35
perlmonkey21I just want the total list of classes which can be selected.  Doing it programmatically just means one less place an admin can mess up :P20:36
@Haargwell, sometimes admins have reasons for removing some subclasses from being selected20:38
+perlDreamerAh!20:38
+perlDreamerI remembered it20:38
+perlDreamerThe Story Archive and Story Topic need to be labeled beta in the Admin Console20:38
+perlDreamerAnd several other Assets, too20:39
+perlDreamerMap20:39
@Haargare they beta quality?20:40
@Haargthe main reason we've done that in the past is because of things having lots of bugs20:40
+perlDreamerI thought we just did that for stuff that was very new20:40
+perlDreamerI mean, Map and StoryManager are so new that hardly anyone has used them20:41
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* perlDreamer goes running, before it gets too hot20:57
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@preactionfrom what I can tell we don't need to label either (beta), as the Story Manager works great, and the Map is so simple that there isn't much there to break.22:25
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+perlDreamerit was already too hot22:57
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11082 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix Project Manager calling wrong method on right object. www_viewScreen now23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: uses mobile template if so enabled via calling processStyle.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11083 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File.pm File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm): Fix POD, and remove dead label/hoverhelp code which isn't used.23:23
@preactioni wonder if we can ask some of the i18n translators to start marking certain strings as duplicates of other strings23:29
@preactionso we can reduce the i18n size in webgui23:30
@preactioni mean, we've probably translated the word "Save" about a dozen times in all the files23:30
+perlDreamereasily23:31
+perlDreamerI think the real problem is on our end23:31
+perlDreamerit's hard to lookup i18n23:31
+perlDreamerso we end up just making new labels23:32
@preactionright, but if our i18n translation tool can make a report of what items are duplicates, we can then go in and quickly fix them23:34
@preactionok: quick and urgent: How can I fix a single asset's (and descendants) lineage? it currently looks like this: 2TWIDU23:36
+perlDreamerI believe that cascadeLineage is what you want23:36
+perlDreamerfix the lineage of the parent, and then call that and it should ripple down and fix them all23:37
@rizenno23:37
@rizenuse rebuildLineage.pl23:37
@rizenand see if you can find out what happened to screw up the lineage in that way23:38
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm File.pm): Backport POD and code cleanup for File and Photo23:38
@preactionif i use rebuildLineage.pl, what happens to all the things they have ordered by rank? they've got some apps that use rank extensively (navigations and collaborations)23:39
@preactionif they have to re-do it, and it's the only way, then that's the only way23:39
@preactionit looks like the lineage it wanted to be was already taken for some reason23:40
@preactioni've got an image, and i'll investigate later23:41
@preactionwhat if i replaced the "XXXXXX" with "000001999999"?23:42
@preactionthat would put it under the root in a safe place then i could move it back to where it really supposed to be23:42
+perlDreamerthat will lock out any new assets from being added to that level23:42
@preactionthen some other insanely high number will work23:43
@preactionthe idea being that the number isn't in use, so it will fit23:43
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@preactionor i could just do what i did and setParent( $ROOT_ASSET )00:06
@rizenif it has a rank that's usable00:07
@rizenthen rebuildLineage will keep that rank00:07
@rizenthings only lose their rank if they don't have a usable rank of any kind00:07
@preactionahh00:07
@rizensuch as in the case where a lineage looks like IDLJKLDJKLJDJKLJDKJDKLHJKDL00:07
@preactionright00:07
@rizenrebuildLineage.pl is as safe as it can possibly be for what kind of a tool it is00:08
@rizenjust make sure you shut off the site while you run it00:08
@preactionoh, that'd be another problem00:08
@rizenso users don't try to move sutff while you are moving it00:08
@preactionbut it doesn't take long00:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Don't make a 2nd i18n object.00:08
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Mech422*sniffle* hello00:39
Mech422not too close - don't want you to catch my cold00:39
Mech422perlDreamer1: ping?00:42
perlDreamer1pong00:42
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Mech422hey :-)00:43
perlDreamer1howdy00:43
Mech422Oh! perfect timing00:43
Mech422rizen, PD - I ran some more testing this weekend00:43
@rizenk00:43
Mech422is it possible changes in wre caused IM breakage?00:43
@rizenyou mean something other than IM itself?00:44
Mech422I can run the test suits for both IM and PerlMagic without issue00:44
Mech422rizen: yeah...00:44
@rizenme too00:44
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@rizenthe test suites are not extensive though00:44
@rizenand image magick in general works00:44
@rizenit just doesn't work for graphing00:44
@rizenwith our graphing api00:44
Mech422Would it be possible to expand PD's test case to get more debugging info ?00:45
Mech422rizen: oh - I got 9.3 snapshot from friday building on amd600:45
Mech422rizen: need to talk about re-jiggering the build stuff as I had to build/patch a lot of stuff by hand00:45
@rizenoh wait, are  you talking about pD's test suite, or image magick's test suite?00:46
Mech422rizen: IM test suit passes, PD's doesnt'00:46
@rizenright00:46
perlDreamer1Mech422, didn't you find that IM in WRE was built without graphics or fonts?00:47
perlDreamer1no png, no jpeg, no truetype?00:47
Mech422perlDreamer1: yeah - the build is just generally horked00:47
Mech422perlDreamer1: half the stuff gets built with the system libtool, then we build a libtool, but don't put it on the $PATH...00:48
Mech422perlDreamer1: I gave up and just rebuilt stuff by hand to make sure all the right pieces were picked up00:48
perlDreamer1can we diff the master build scripts between 0.9.1 and 0.9.3 to see what's changed?00:49
Mech422perlDreamer1: these look a lot different then the 'stable' build script - I think it might have been a re-write00:49
perlDreamer1you know I'm WRE ignorant, so please forgive the next question.  Can the old 0.9.1 build script be used on the 0.9.3 versions of software?00:50
@rizenno00:50
Mech422I'd actually like to just re-write the build scritps - it shouldn't take more then a couple of hours00:51
@rizenversion number incompatibilities everywhere00:51
@rizenmech422 wtf would you want to do that00:51
perlDreamer1Mech422, but isn't a rewrite the problem that got us here in the first place?00:51
Mech422rizen: cuz it would take longer to fix the existing stuff ?00:51
@rizenwhenever i here "rewrite" about anything, i assume the person is ignorant or obtuse00:51
Mech422rizen: don't assume00:51
@rizenyou assume there is something wrong with the current ones00:52
@rizenthey build just fine on all of my platforms00:52
@rizensave image magick00:52
@rizenand even image magick works00:52
@rizenexcept for poll charts00:52
Mech422rizen: no - I know there is something wrong with them - did you ever _read_ the build output ?00:52
@rizenof course i did00:52
@rizeni wrote the damn build script00:52
Mech422rizen: so why is libtool built half way thru the chain, then not used ?00:52
@rizenit isn't, on my boxes00:53
Mech422its should either be build _first_ and _used_ or not built at all ?00:53
Mech422it isn't ?? are we talking about 9.3 ??00:53
@rizenif you have a proposal for making something better, explain what will be better about it00:54
@rizenbeyond that, telling me you're going to rewrite something isn't useful in the least00:54
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@rizenwhat do we get by rewriting it00:54
Mech422rizen: first off - you should check your build and see if your seeing what I see...00:55
Mech422otherwise there are bigger issues00:55
+perlDreamer1Mech422, and are you able to run some unaltered scripts on a 32-bit box to double check?00:55
Mech422pd - not on 32 - dont' have one handy...00:56
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Mech422but surely someone has a 32bit box they can >& | tee the build log too ?00:56
@Haargmech422, what distro are you using?00:57
Mech422but I'm seeing stuff like: stuff being built and not used, system libs being used instead of wre custom libs, libraries not being found00:57
Mech422haarg: I'm on debian lenny00:57
@rizenSynQ2 builds on lenny00:57
@rizen32 bit00:57
@rizenhe also hasn't reported what you['re seeing00:58
@rizenhe may not have looked00:58
@rizendon't know00:58
@rizenbut he can compile cleanly00:58
+perlDreamerWebGUI1, SynQ2: ping00:58
Mech422ok - in the original build.sh I have from friday - if you grep for 'libtool' - does it show up ?00:59
Mech422should be in buildUtils - also readline is in there...00:59
@rizeni'm not saying it doesn't build libtool01:00
@rizeni'm saying it uses it after it builds it01:00
@rizenhow do i know?01:00
@rizencuz if i take it out01:00
@rizenthen stuff stops building01:01
@rizeni could be more precise than that01:01
@rizenbut i don't have a build log in front of me just now01:01
@rizenone thing i know that uses it, is image magick01:02
Mech422ok - lets say I'm mistaken and it is being used - should it be used for _all_ the wre libs and not just some of them (ie shouldn't it be built first?)01:02
@rizenit actually shouldn't matter as far as i'm aware01:03
@rizenwe've been running the wre for 5 years now like this, and it works01:04
@rizenis it a bad practice01:04
@rizenmaybe01:04
@rizendon't know01:04
@rizenall i really care about is that shit works01:04
Mech422so if it shouldn't matter - why build it ?01:04
Mech422it just adds time and space ?01:04
@rizeni just told you01:04
@rizenimage magick won't build if you don't build it01:04
Mech422you just said it shouldn't matter ?01:05
@rizenevery single thing in the wre is in there for a reason01:05
Mech422ok then..01:05
@rizeni said it didn't matter if EVERYTHING was built using that lib tool01:05
@rizeni didn't say libtool didn't matter01:05
Mech422so wouldn't it be a good thing if openssl was built with the same libtool that apache and mysql are ?01:05
@rizeni don' tknow, would it?01:05
@rizenand if so, why would it01:06
@rizenand why should i care if it works?01:06
@rizenis it faster?01:06
@rizensmaller?01:06
@rizenbetter in some measurable way?01:06
Mech422because linking stuff with different options can cause bad things to happen01:06
Mech422libtool sets the options used to create shared libraries and such01:07
Mech422creating libs with different sets of options can be very bad01:07
@rizencould you be more specific01:07
@rizen"bad things" is too vague01:07
@rizenwhat kind of bad things01:07
Mech422ok - it could break on 64bit stuff :-P01:07
@rizenit could, or does?01:08
Mech422you could be mixing -O levels, symbol manginging  C vs C++ calling conventions01:08
Mech422rizen: I dont _know_ - I just don't do that01:08
Mech422rizen: I don't play with fire to see how many types of burns I can get01:08
@rizenthen you and i are just 2 idiots stumbling around in the dark it sounds like01:09
Mech422oh god01:09
@rizeni don't know01:09
@rizenyou don't know01:09
Mech422you seriously are gonna say you don't know if thats a bad idea ?01:09
@rizeni'm not trying to piss you off01:09
@rizeni'm trying to understand01:09
@rizenand to be educated, i'm not going to educate myself with someone else's gueses01:09
Mech422and would use C extensions created for perl 5.8 (blibs or whatever) in a perl 5.10 environment without recompiling them ?01:10
@rizeni've already said i don't know if it's a bad idea. all i know for sure is that it works.01:10
@rizenwho's doing that? 01:10
@rizennot me01:10
Mech422noo - but your happy to do it with C code (via libtool)01:11
hanswguys, seeing you having this discussion, a question rises here, will webgui run on parrot? :-)01:11
@preactionhansw: not presently, because perl5 does not run on parrot01:11
@rizenhansw: no, because there is no perl5 build for parrot01:11
hanswI did type a smiley :-)01:11
@rizenMech422: i'm happy to change the order and see if it still compiles, if that's what you're trying to get at.01:12
hanswok, time to get some sleep, maybe even work on webgui tomorrow, night all01:12
@rizenall i'm saying, and all i've been saying this entire time is that build.sh is a known quantity. it does work, and has worked for more than 5 years01:12
@rizennight hansw 01:13
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Mech422rizen: comment it out on a box that has libtool installed... and see if it builds01:14
Mech422rizen: my box _has_ libtool already, and thats was gets used01:14
Mech422(unless I totally missed something)01:14
@rizenall of the boxes that i compile on already have libtool01:15
Mech422rizen: Hmm - I could go into the IM dir and make configure but thats gonna get my system libtool01:15
@rizenand i already know it won't work01:15
@rizenlibjpeg it turns out is the thing that won't build on my system without libtool01:16
Mech422rizen: and I don't see where /wre/prereqs/bin is added to $PATH to pick up the wre libtool01:16
@rizensetevnironment of course01:16
@rizenline 69201:16
@rizencalls set environment01:16
@rizensetenvironment.sh01:17
@rizenthis is the very first line of setenvironment.sh01:17
@rizenexport PATH=/data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:$PATH01:17
Mech422Ahh...01:19
Mech422that I didn't know/see/find01:19
Mech422in that case - moving libtool up to be one of the first things built would ensure the same tool is used for all libs 01:21
Mech422I needed these: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2c11d28a  options for the freetype compile01:24
Mech422and these options for image magick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m11c1d06001:25
Mech422using --with-gnu-ld I didn't need the LD=ld thing - not sure if that was for a specific platform or something01:25
Mech422  $SSLCFGOPTS ./config --prefix=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs shared; checkError $? "o01:26
Mech422penssl configure"01:26
Mech422that won't work in bash01:26
Mech422its only enabled on 64bit builds - but $SSLCFGOPTS won't expand the way you think it will01:27
Mech422has to do with funky bashisms - I spent an hour on #bash trying to find how to make it work and just coded around it01:27
@rizeni don't mean to sound ungrateful, but could you send me an email with this stuff or better yet, put it right into build.sh01:27
@rizenrather than typing it all into IRC01:27
@rizeni am working on fixing the current image magick problem, not concerning myself with 64 compile problems right at the moment01:28
Mech422rizen: yeah - I ran the complete webgui test suite, the IM test suite adn the Perlmagic test suite01:29
Mech422I'd guess the problem is something in wre changed how it works with IM - IM, PM, and everything else wre seem fine01:29
Mech422perlDreamer has the logs from the test suite run01:30
+perlDreamerthe last test suite run said that IM was pretty broken, Mech422.01:30
+perlDreamerStorage/Image and several other tests had failures01:30
+perlDreameryou haven't sent me logs from the latest and greatest 64-bit compile01:30
Mech422Umm - yeah, we know IM is broken in wre01:31
Mech422or did those test pass for rizen ?01:31
@rizenhow do you do the equivalent of "svn export" in git01:31
@Haargfrom a remote repository or a local one?01:32
@rizeni have the repo locally, but i don't care, any way will o01:33
@rizendo01:33
@Haargi haven't actually done that so i'd have to look01:33
@Haarggit checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/destination/path/01:34
@Haargi'm sure the extra options and obtuse command name will win your favor01:34
@rizenyeah, gotta love git's user friendliness01:36
@rizenhow the hell is anybody ever supposed to remember that01:36
@Haarghah01:38
@Haargbetter than the export command i have in my .gitconfig01:38
@Haarggit archive --format=tar HEAD | (mkdir -p $0 && cd $0 && tar xf -)01:38
@rizennot really01:39
@rizenthe one you just gave me works01:39
@rizensorry, i mean doesn't work01:39
@rizenno error01:39
@rizenjust returned to the command line01:39
@rizennothing happens01:39
@Haargyou are in the local git repo's directory?01:40
@Haargit did work for me when i just tried it01:40
@rizenyup01:41
@rizenfigured it out01:43
@rizenif you don't put a / at the end of your prefix01:44
@rizenthen it prepends the prefix to all the folder name01:44
@rizens01:44
@rizeni did: git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/tmp/wrebuild01:44
@rizenand ended up with wrebuildsbin01:44
@rizenwrebuildt01:44
@Haarguseful01:44
@rizenyeah01:44
@Haargwould be nice if they had a porcelain command for that01:45
@rizenwould be nice if git didn't suck so much. =)01:45
@rizenjust kidding haarg. what are you doing with that gun.01:45
@rizenput it away01:45
@rizenthis is not the time or place01:45
@rizennoooooooooooooo!!!!01:45
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@rizenluckily for me i have 94 lives01:46
@Haargyeah, and i only have one accurate bullet01:47
+perlDreamer94 rizens on wall01:47
+perlDreamer94 rizens01:47
+perlDreamertake one down and shoot it!01:47
+perlDreamer93 rizens on the wall01:48
+perlDreamerthis is going to take a long time01:48
+perlDreamerforeach (reverse 1..93) { sprintf "%d rizens on wall\n%d rizens\ntake one down and shoot it!\n%d rizens on the wall\n", $_, $_, $_-1}01:50
@Haargsprintf?01:51
+perlDreamerdidn't want it to actually run01:52
+perlDreameror were you suggesting that I run something in Template::Toolkit instead?01:53
@Haargyou are too nice01:53
+perlDreameryeah, also practical01:53
+perlDreamerthis channel is logged01:53
+perlDreamerand if rizen is found with 93 bullet holes, it'd look suspicious01:53
Mech422rizen: could you check it t/Asset/File/Image.t passes on your build please ?02:00
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@rizenhave you ever noticed that both the world and IRC continue moving even when you're not there02:29
@rizenMech422: no i cannot. i'm rebuilding the wre right now02:29
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@preactionyep02:29
@preactioni found the problem: AssetManager called setRank, but setRank failed somewhere. writing some tests to make this not happen again02:30
+perlDreamerthere are some setRank tests in AssetLineage02:33
@preactionwith full coverage. of course.02:34
+perlDreamerno02:34
* perlDreamer is shamed02:34
@preactioni'm looking at it right now, full coverage. the 0 up there is POD02:34
+perlDreamerthat can't be possible02:35
+perlDreamerit doesn't test for max rank?02:35
CIA-23wrebuild: JT Smith master * rad7ad52 / (4 files in 2 dirs): changing image magick version to -10 - http://bit.ly/10onbn02:35
@preactioni think that's what cascadeLineage checks02:35
@rizenhey! somebody updated CIA to support git02:35
@preactionyup ;)02:35
@preactionand the git support is far faster than the svn support02:35
@rizennice job preaction02:35
@rizenapparently02:35
@preactionoh, i think it was haarg02:35
@rizenoh well good job haarg then02:36
@preactionbut anyway, i'll write tests for the AssetManager then, because that is what calls set rank and blows things up02:36
+perlDreamernope02:38
+perlDreameryou can setRank to anything you want in the world02:38
+perlDreamerthe only thing that checks is getNextChildRank02:38
@preactionit's a necessary feature right now though02:38
+perlDreamerit is?02:38
+perlDreamerwhat if I setRank to xxyyzz702:38
@preactionbecause the way setRank works, it sets one asset to a randomly generated GUID string, then does the swap02:39
@preactionsince the GUID has no chance of being "00001", it won't show up while the work's being done02:39
+perlDreamergood point02:39
@rizenthe rank is never set to a guid02:39
@rizenthe url is02:39
@preactionthe lineage is set to a random string so that we can move things around02:40
+perlDreamerrizen, it's 906 in AssetLineage02:40
@preactionproblem is, setRank seems to get halfway through and then stops. and i think it's because multiple ranks are getting changed during the same request (something we've never allowed until the new asset manager)02:40
@rizenthat's dumb02:41
@rizeni'm stupid for doing that02:41
@preactioneh, it works. though it could be anything like 000002 or 00000502:41
+perlDreamerthose are valid GUID substrings02:41
@preactionit also ensures that during the operation (which could be long), the assets don't show up anywhere02:42
@preactionso it's part of being thread-safe02:42
@rizenyeah, but we could do 000000 as a prefix02:42
@rizenthat's a root that doesn't exist02:42
@rizenbecause the root is 00000102:43
@rizenthat would also ensure the same thing02:43
@rizenbut would still be a valid lineage02:43
+perlDreamerbut what if two people move things in the asset manager at the same time?02:43
+perlDreamerI know, that's rare02:43
@rizenyou either generate a random number or an incrementer after the prefix02:44
@rizen000000 00000102:44
@rizenor 000000 03039402:44
@preactionwhat if we use the tempspace folder? that way if the setRank dies for some weird reason, it's easier to recover while we investigate what caused it02:44
@rizen"000000" . sprint("%06d", rand(999999)) ought to work nicely02:45
@rizensprintf that is02:45
@rizenwe could also use tempspace02:46
@rizenthat's valid02:46
@rizenjust know that if it gets left in there for 6 hours02:46
@rizenit will be deleted02:46
@rizenactually it may not even be 6 hours02:46
@rizeni don't remember how long the timeout is02:46
@rizeni think it's 6 hours02:46
@preactionokay, maybe not so good. 000000 better02:46
@rizenbut it might just be 102:46
@preactionit's easy to write a little script that moves the asset from 000000 to 00000102:46
@preactionin fact, that's how i fixed the client site02:47
@preactionit works even with X#HN$S02:47
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+perlDreamerbbiaw02:54
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Mech422stupid question...03:26
Mech422has the hash dir handling for uploads changed in 9.3 ?03:26
Mech422according to the Poll.t test, its looking for : 03:27
Mech422/data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c/6c3cf96d57c7b3287dcbe706d38bc270/po03:27
Mech422llck6chzI-35vvpv-k0WfsDA.png03:27
Mech422but /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c doesn't _exist_ ??03:27
@preactionis there an error in the webgui.log file? perhaps about not being able to create the temp/6c directory?03:29
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r5555a5a / (5 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked survey files from master - http://bit.ly/vaDDp03:29
Mech422preaction: which log would that be? all I can find is the access log ?03:33
@preactionthe webgui log should be in /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log03:33
Mech422wow - now the whole /temp is gone... I wonder if the test harness creates that ?03:34
@preactionyes, it's a temporary storage location03:34
@preactionit should clean itself up03:35
@preactionthis is now the third bug i have to "fix" that i can't reproduce: Somehow a user can screw up a large portion of the site's lineage from the web interface03:35
* perlDreamer has a guess on how to reproduce03:38
@preactionbig, slow site?03:38
@preactionand a user submitting content while the lineage is being cascaded?03:38
+perlDreamerperhaps, I was more thinking that the "random" GUID actually clashed03:38
@preactionnot possible, there were no errors in the logs03:39
@preactionit's like the process just stopped halfway through03:39
@preactioni checked for duplicate key errors, none03:39
+perlDreamerit would fail before making a duplicate lineage03:40
+perlDreamersince the column is marked as unique03:40
+perlDreamerand it would throw an error into at least apache error log03:40
@preactionright, it would fail hard with a DUPLICATE KEY mysql error, which would be a fatal and would go all the way into the modperl log03:41
@preactionwell, in theory03:41
@preactionbut it's happened more than once on this site, and it has never happened to my knowledge on any other site03:41
+perlDreamerso what's so special about this one site?03:43
@preactionit's the Alumni site03:43
+perlDreamerhm03:43
@preactionit's got a huge number of users, it's got 65,000 assets03:43
@preactionthe thing they were changing was a huge section, timed out actually (but still completed when I did it)03:44
+perlDreamerwhere do mysql errors get logged?03:45
@preactionwebgui log and modperl log (since they're fatal)03:45
@preactionchecked both, nothing fatal in either03:45
+perlDreamerwhere do the mysql daemons themselves log?03:45
@preactiondidn't check that03:46
+perlDreamerI'm just wondering how it would react to having mysqld go away in the middle03:46
@preactionpoorly03:47
@preactionbut last time mysql was restarted was 09052703:47
@preaction5 days ago, when there were some other problems that required restarting it03:47
CIA-23wrebuild: JT Smith master * r4e2690e / (build.sh getperlmodules.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): 03:49
CIA-23wrebuild: added Test-Harness-3.1703:49
CIA-23wrebuild: repositioned libtool to go first in build sequence - http://bit.ly/sFWQe03:49
+perlDreamerTest-Harness 3.17!03:49
+perlDreameryes!03:49
+perlDreamerrizen, you're awesome03:49
@rizeni'm welcome?03:49
+perlDreamersure, come on over anytime03:50
+perlDreamerI'll even pick you up at the airport03:50
+perlDreamerinstead of making you ride the max like when khenn comes to visit03:50
@preactionOH! What if while ONE setRank is running, another setRank gets run for that same asset?03:51
@preactionthe Proxy Error shows up, BUT the setRank keeps running (mod_perl process keeps going anyway)03:51
@preactionor maybe the proxy error actually stopped the setRank from continuing03:52
* preaction is reading the client's report. 03:53
@preactioni love the alumni group. they give us detailed reports, they don't leave out information, they don't make us ask a billion questions03:53
+perlDreamerdo they answer questions on bug reports?03:53
* perlDreamer has been waiting two weeks for a reponse from one user03:54
@preactionyep, usually right away even03:54
+perlDreamerwow03:54
@preactionthey test thoroughly, usually coming up with corner cases nobody ever thought of03:54
@preactionthey are in almost every way a perfect client03:54
@preactionthere needs to be a mechanism where we can take these long-running process and make spectre or something non-user do them03:55
+perlDreamerI agree03:55
@preactiona way to just quick build a workflow, run it, and have it delete itself03:55
+perlDreamerand then notify the user via their inbox that they are done03:55
+perlDreamerlike assetExport03:56
+perlDreameror the editBranch03:56
@preactionor if we add some way to version lineage and be able to undo, the commit would be handled by spectre03:58
+perlDreamernot if it runs in realtime04:00
+perlDreamerwhich is the default04:00
+perlDreamerbut we can have it check for a timeout04:00
+perlDreamerand pick up in the right place04:00
@preactionyeah, that's easy enough04:00
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+perlDreamerokay, off for daddy time now04:06
+perlDreamerbe back later04:06
@rizenlater04:09
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+perlDreamerpreaction: is there a pastebin that lets you upload a file as paste contents?05:39
@preactioni don't know, i don't think so05:39
+perlDreamerI use the nopaste program that Haarg told me about05:41
+perlDreamerApp::Nopaste, I believe05:41
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CIA-23webgui: patspam flux * rc0ac911 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): 05:51
CIA-23webgui: Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it05:51
CIA-23webgui: git-svn-id: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI@11090 ba3075da-5205-0410-b03c-ad9aa4846add - http://bit.ly/11MtyX05:51
+perlDreamernaff?05:52
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11090 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it05:54
+perlDreamerpatspam, what is "naff"?06:18
+patspamperlDreamer: I'll see if google can translate it for me into american06:36
+perlDreamergoogle translate doesn't seem to have an australian setting06:38
+perlDreamerthe language must be beyong the grasp of standard computational science!06:38
+perlDreamerwikipedia has it, though06:38
+perlDreamerhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naff06:39
+perlDreamerand since I don't think  you were calling it heterosexual, you must mean "in bad taste"06:39
@preactionim thinking he meant "something that is poorly thought out, doesn't really work, or is otherwise not very good"06:42
Mech422what? you eman the Survey _Is_ available ?06:43
Mech422s/eman/mean/06:43
Mech422I know some guys in San Fran that have been dying to meet Survey....06:44
@preactionit's been available since 7.606:44
Mech422they are gonna be over joyed!06:44
+perlDreamerlike, totally06:44
@preaction7.7 has made it quite usable06:44
Mech422hehe06:44
@preactionthere needs to be a way to let any asset be a map or a point on a map06:45
@preactionor somehow put points on a map06:45
@preactionsome kind of WebGUI::AssetAspect::Locator06:45
Mech422G'nite all :-)06:51
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+perlDreamerdo we have a WUC 2k9 map asset yet?06:55
+perlDreamerfor users to register where they come from?06:55
@preactionooh good idea06:56
@preactiononce tabb is done with fixing the crappy templates i threw together, we'll have to put one up06:57
+perlDreamerbut she'll only get to your crappy templates after she finishes with _my_ crappy templates06:57
+perlDreamerand trust me, mine are way crappier than yours06:57
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+perlDreamerpatspam, is your commit 11089 the fix for this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10425 ?07:33
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SynQ2morning10:13
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11091 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Keywords.pm): Fixed #9920 Survey: cannot add questions in IE10:22
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CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11092 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm t/Content/AssetManager.t): added tests for asset manager11:37
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11093 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template/packed.t: added tests for packed templates11:37
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Mech422anyone know the url for cloning the wre git repo ?13:39
Mech422nm13:44
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MagneticSo, anouther newb here. I have looked over the webgui.org docs quite a bit, however would anyone know of any good blogs that have indepth details and tutorials on the cms?15:44
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CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11094 /Too many paths: Merge changes in head into thingy-object-seperation branch16:23
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@bopbopSynQ2: got a minute?16:49
SynQ2here I am16:50
SynQ2:)16:50
SynQ2sure16:50
SynQ2what up?16:50
@bopbopare you sure you want to donate that much karma?16:51
@bopbopwe just wanted to give you the opportunity to be involved since it came so closely to your offer on the forums16:51
SynQ2well, if that means that plainblack is going to spend 100.000 karma 16:51
@bopbopok, I just don't want you to commit to it and then regret it16:51
SynQ2does it mean that I can submit to the contest too?16:52
@bopbopsure16:52
SynQ2so for each entry I put in myself I can support 9 more entries16:52
@bopbopnope16:53
SynQ2no?16:53
@bopbopthe karma for submission is per user16:53
SynQ2oh but not in my suggestion16:53
@bopbopwe used to do per entry16:53
@bopbopno, not in your suggestion16:53
@bopbophowever, 16:53
SynQ2if not my suggestion exactly then I want to reconsider based on your rules16:53
SynQ2since my goal is as much submissions as possible16:54
@bopbopwe used to do per entry, but then we ended up w/ some not-so-good entries by people just because they wanted to rack up the karma points16:54
SynQ2so if someone would submit 20 styles they would be karma-king :)16:54
SynQ2that is a matter of defining clearly what is 'good'16:54
@bopboplet me finish writing up the rules, and I'll share them with you16:54
@bopbopgood is subjective, so yeah16:54
SynQ2in my view it has to 1. look differently and 2. be compiant and 3. work technically16:55
@bopbopI think we agree on that16:55
SynQ2and yes you do need a jury16:55
SynQ2and it would be really great if that jury was made up out of the community16:55
SynQ2something else you could do16:55
SynQ2is deduct the amount of karma in this contest from the top 100 of karma users16:56
SynQ2in a percentage16:56
@bopbopI'm not worried about the karma16:56
SynQ2so emil would 'give' 10% of it't karma 16:56
SynQ2I am16:56
SynQ2it's all about the karma16:56
@bopboprephrase: I'm not worried that we won't have enough to go around16:57
SynQ2if you don't use it for things like this, karma is a worthless status symbol16:57
SynQ2oh ok16:57
SynQ2you are worried about quality16:57
@bopbopI don't want to detract karma from other users for this purpose, I just want to award karma16:57
@bopbopyes quality16:57
SynQ2whereas I am mostly worried about quantity16:57
@bopbop:)16:57
SynQ2I would like to see at least 100 theme's to choose from16:57
SynQ2of which 20 are really good and 80 can be crap16:58
SynQ2but still you have 100 to choose from16:58
SynQ2actually16:58
SynQ2I would say this would have to be a continous contest16:58
SynQ2wich awards a winner each month16:58
SynQ2and the stakes (in karma) should be high16:58
@bopbopdo you think we have enough commitment from the community to achieve that?16:59
@bopbopbesides yourself16:59
SynQ2that depends16:59
SynQ2on who you call 'the community'16:59
@bopbopwho do you call the community?16:59
SynQ2the top 100 karma users are in my opinion not the community16:59
SynQ2like biskitmiller has never submitted anything to the community16:59
SynQ2yet is is 2nd in the top 100 list17:00
@bopbopright, some have karma through other means-  not necessarily through active participation17:00
SynQ2however, the site sais: Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community.17:00
SynQ2so that is not true17:00
SynQ2the top karma users should go17:00
SynQ2and instead the top karma givers should be listed17:01
@bopbopinteresting17:01
SynQ2you should be encouraged to lose your karma as soon as possible17:01
Mech422forgive my ignorance - but what is karma used for other then indicating 'how much' you want/like a given feature proposal ?17:01
SynQ2Mech422: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma17:01
SynQ2Once earned, karma can be used like currency17:02
@bopbopyou can use karma to buy things from PB17:02
SynQ2only swag17:02
SynQ2and wuc tickets17:02
SynQ2no books17:02
SynQ2no hosting17:02
@bopbopwell, yeah17:02
@bopbopthere are limits17:02
SynQ2no services17:02
Mech422so basically - just for bumping RFE's and getting 'status' toys and such ?17:03
SynQ2in my view people use karma for different purposes17:03
Mech422oh wait - wuc tickets - thats the user conference, right ?17:03
SynQ2most programmers never hand out karma and keep it as a status symbol17:03
@bopbopyup17:03
SynQ2like martin and knowmad17:03
SynQ2bopbop: who is biskitmiller anyway?17:04
@bopbopI have no idea17:04
@bopbopto be honest17:04
SynQ2then why does he have 48000 karma?17:04
Mech422test user ?17:04
@bopbopsec17:04
SynQ2I bet he/she doesn't even know he/she has that karma17:04
SynQ2And who is Emil ?17:05
Mech422wow - perlDreamer is a busy lil beaver...17:05
SynQ2And who is VickyHS?17:06
@bopbopI seem to remember a conversation where JT mentioned some ways in which users get karma that aren't related to site involvement17:06
@bopbopyou'd have to ask JT17:06
SynQ2well17:06
@bopbopcould be something w/ hosting17:06
SynQ2probably 'rockstar support' users17:06
@bopbopno...17:07
SynQ2but as far as I (as a community member) are conserned they are not part of the community17:07
SynQ2at all17:07
@bopboptrue17:07
SynQ2so they should not be in the karma list as 'Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. '17:07
SynQ2is being a client of PB a good deed in the community?17:07
@bopbopso you would like to see a list of the top 100 karma "users" to better reflect community involvement, instead of a reflection of 'money it the bank' as it is now?17:08
@bopbopok, we seem to agree17:08
Mech422Heh - I would say so - if PB doesn't eat, then a lot less wG work gets done...17:08
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@bopbopalright, I gotta leave for an appt17:09
@bopbopSynQ2: I will send the rules to you later today17:09
SynQ2great17:09
SynQ2thanks17:09
SynQ2:)17:09
Mech422SynQ2: btw - did you get to run a build yet with the 'new' version of ImageMagic ?17:09
@bopbopand we can see what changes might need to be made after that17:09
@bopbopSynQ2: thank you17:09
SynQ2Mech422: nope, I have had no time since friday17:09
Mech422SynQ2: Hmm - I got the AMD64 build to where it just had the same issues as the 32bit build17:10
Mech422SynQ2: I'm wondering if I'm gonna have to eat crow though - PerlDreamer thinks the image/graph problems are due to changes in IM, and I think its a change on the wre/wg side17:11
Mech422so I'm running a build on a fresh checkout now to see if the newer IM changes anything17:11
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Mech422Mornin Haarg :-)17:13
@Haargmorning17:13
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MagneticSo... I already am assuming the answer is no here, however I will ask anyways. When using the Demo Feature on webgui.org. Is there a way to get access to the HTML of the site? I can't seem to find an access point. 17:28
Mech422'the HTML of the site' ??17:29
Mech422you mean the templates ?17:29
Magneticaye, heh. I think I figured it out. Thank you much good Sir Mech42217:34
Mech422Cool - I love being helpful - especially when I don't have to do anything :-D17:36
Magnetichah17:38
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@fibioniIs this a proper venue to ask simple help-desk related questions? I have a client that wants to know if there is a paypal plugin. Is there a product roadmap anywhere?18:05
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dionakthere's a plugin in the bazaar18:06
@fibionik18:06
@fibionithx18:06
dionakand JT usually posts on the Black blog about what is coming up. Not sure about an official roadmap. There may be one but I haven't seen it. 18:07
dionakthe paypal feature is to be included in 7.7, I believe18:07
@fibionithanks much18:13
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Mech422perlDreamer: morning :-)18:31
+perlDreamerhowdy, Mech42218:31
+perlDreamerhow goes the WRE hackery?18:31
Mech422Looking to see if I'm having crow for breakfast :-)18:31
Mech422I'm building the checking from yesterday with the 'new' IM18:32
Mech422so we'll see if that changes anything with the image/graph problem18:32
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SynQ2Mech422: the wre-source I get from plainblack fails to build on lenny with this error:18:50
SynQ2 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl18:50
Mech422yeah - you need LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE/18:51
SynQ2that is ImageMagick failing18:51
Mech422in the image magic configure line18:51
SynQ2but18:51
Mech422SynQ2: btw - do you know what the LD=ld thing is for ?18:51
SynQ2at that time perl has not yet been built?18:51
SynQ2I have no idea18:52
Mech422perl gets built before IM18:52
Mech422at least, I thought it did...18:52
* Mech422 goes to double check18:52
SynQ2oh yes18:52
SynQ2it has been18:52
+perlDreameris there any way to install IE6 on Vista, in parallel with IE7?18:52
+perlDreamerfor testing and stuff?18:52
Mech422SynQ2: yeah - just double checked...18:53
@Haargthere's http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE18:54
@Haargbut it isn't perfect18:54
Mech422SynQ2: btw - I changed LD=ld to --with-gnu-ld over here, and it hasn't broke it 18:54
Mech422perldreamer: VirtualBox ftw!!18:54
@Haargi gave up on eventually and i'm just using virtual machines18:54
+perlDreamerif I could avoid having to buy _another_ MS license, it would be great18:54
Mech422Haarg: I knew I liked you :-D18:54
+perlDreamerbut perhaps it's time to break down and just do it18:55
Mech422MS lets you use like 5 copies in VM's I thought18:55
Mech422they did some big licensing change like last year when they made virtual pc free18:55
SynQ2Mech422: that LD=ld stuff is for OS/x18:55
Mech422oh yeah - you can also use virtual pc 18:55
+perlDreamerI have a Vista license, to install XP (IE6) I'd need an XP license, wouldn't I?18:56
SynQ2perlDreamer: it's time to not support it18:56
Mech422SynQ2: but osx is gnu too right ? so --with-gnu-ld would still work ?18:56
SynQ2I don't know18:56
Mech422Hmm ...18:56
+perlDreamerSynQ2: I agree, but with bugs reported in WebGUI against it I need one to test with18:56
SynQ2if I can avoid having to buy _a_ MAC license _and_ the hardware that comes with it, it would be great18:56
Mech422I was just telling PD - I don't know the 32bit finds libperl.a without the extra LD flag..18:57
Mech422SynQ2: virtualBox ftw!! :-D18:57
SynQ2ftw?18:57
Mech422for the win :-D18:57
SynQ2virtual box is handy indeed18:57
Mech422virtual box is the cats pajama's :-)18:57
Mech422the bees knees18:57
Mech422and other odd americanisms :-P18:58
SynQ2if it works and I don't have to buy a license for it, that is fine18:58
+perlDreamerit's not like that naff VMWare18:58
SynQ2I have to go home18:58
Mech422pd: oooh - slamed VMWare AND did it in aussie ! bonus points!!18:58
SynQ2WRE 0.9.3 is broken18:58
Mech422I'm building here18:58
Mech422I'll let ya know how teh test suite goes18:59
SynQ2at least the wre-source-0.9.3 is18:59
Mech422SynQ2: though if you happen to have a 32 bit build log showing how IM is finding libperl.a without that flag - I'd appreciate seeing it :-)18:59
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SynQ2Mech422: understood19:10
Mech422SynQ2: thanks :-)19:10
+perlDreamernew PBWG today19:15
+perlDreamerKudos to Arjan19:15
topsubnew PBWG?19:16
topsubwhats that mean?19:16
+perlDreamerPeople Behind WebGUI19:18
+perlDreamerI'll have to note that in the next WNN19:19
SynQ2Mech422: I have added LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux/CORE to build.sh19:20
SynQ2that works19:20
SynQ2at least, it compiles then19:20
+perlDreamershould the processor type be hardcoded like that?19:20
SynQ2probably not19:20
SynQ2the arch that is19:20
SynQ2since it's not the processor but the $ARCH19:21
Mech422LOL - no - but we're winging it to get test results19:21
Mech422I'd like to know how it compiles on 32bit without that...19:21
Mech422I've added it to build.sh twice now, and it never gets merged19:22
+perlDreamermerged into SVN?19:22
Mech422merged into the 9.3 build.sh 19:22
Mech422yeah - SVN I guess19:23
+perlDreamerpost a bug with a patch onto the bug board19:23
SynQ2git19:23
Mech422did that twice19:23
Mech422posted full script and diffs19:23
+perlDreameron the bug board?19:23
Mech422on the developer board19:23
Mech422SynQ was the only one that seemed to notice19:24
Mech422anyway - point being - I thought it wasn't merged because it built on 32 bit without it19:25
Mech422but now I'm starting to wonder - synq can't build 32 bit without it either 19:25
SynQ2I didn't say that19:26
+perlDreamerMech422, I see a post about 0.9.119:26
+perlDreamerbut nothing about 0.9.319:26
Mech422well, 9.3 doesn't build yet19:26
Mech422and the 9.1 stuff wasn't merged19:26
SynQ2I'm off19:26
SynQ2later19:26
SynQ2~19:26
+perlDreamerand if the patch contains multiple things, and all it says is 64-bit build script19:26
Mech422bye!19:26
+perlDreamerthen it will get passed over19:27
Mech422ok - whatever...19:27
Mech422don't care at this point19:27
Mech422it didn't get merged, no point crying about it19:27
Mech422but I'm not posting more till the dam thing is done19:27
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11095 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem.19:38
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Mech422perlDreamer: heh - sorry - slashdot says IE6 wont die - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Will-Not-Die19:47
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11096 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Forward port POD whitespace fix.19:55
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@rizenso i switched back to the old beta version of image magick that shipped with WRE 0.9.2 and now WRE 0.9.3 can generate graphs once again21:15
@rizennow to write a program that replicates the problem to send it in to the image magick guys21:16
@rizenfigured out the problem with image magick21:46
@rizenmartin's graphing code sets the background color of the image like this:21:46
@rizen$image->Read(filename => 'xc:white');21:46
@rizenthe other image processing functions in webgui that i wrote set the background color like this:21:46
@rizen$image->ReadImage('xc:white');21:46
@rizenthey both used to do the same way21:46
@rizensame thing21:47
@rizenbut now, only the way I used works for some reason21:47
@rizenso fixing this in webgui core21:47
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11097 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick.21:54
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11098 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick.21:55
+perlDreamernice catch, rizen22:00
+perlDreameris 0.9.3 a go then?22:00
@rizenyup22:01
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@rizeni'm copying it up to sf right now22:02
@rizenso we can make the release public22:02
@rizenand since i don't have to recompile, Test::Harness will go into 0.9.4 or 1.0.022:03
+perlDreamersounds good22:03
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CIA-23WebGUI: Throw an exception in all wobjects if the main template (used by view)22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: has been deleted.22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11100 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Backport exception based missing template handling.22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11101 /branch/colin-experimental: removing unneeded colin-experimental branch23:14
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CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11104 /branch/ (wrebuild_0.7 wrebuild_0.8): removing old wrebuild branches23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11105 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: Add noFormPost to packed content in the asset tables to prevent them23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: from overwriting the data that has been packed from the filter function.23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: Rerun the upgrade script to repack all areas that use packing.23:44
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@preactionanyone have a problem with me not posting smoke test to the smoke test board, and instead using RSS from smoke.plainblack.com?01:33
+perlDreamerno, that's fine01:33
+perlDreamerbut then what do we do with the smoke test board?01:33
@preactiondelete it, or replace it with a syndicated content asset to read the RSS feed01:34
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11113 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for problem with image magick02:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11114 /WebGUI/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for image magick bug02:09
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elninohi!02:15
@preactionhi!02:16
elninoquiet?02:16
@preactionkinda, i suspect colin's busy with the release right now02:17
elninobusy is good.02:18
elninodo you happen to know if there is a "featured product" macro or something in the shop? havne't read anythign about one yet.02:18
+perlDreamerare you saying that I'm loud?02:19
elninoor maybe if I can create an rss feed of the products I can do it that way>02:19
elninono I meant quiet on the chat.02:19
elninosorry. get back to work perlDreamer.  =)  lol02:19
+perlDreameryes, ma'am!02:20
elnino=)02:20
elninoif only I was that influential.02:20
Mech422perlDreamer: ok - gimme some salt and I'll eat my crow....02:23
Mech422perlDreamer: looks like it was a IM change after all02:24
+perlDreamerit's an IM bug02:24
+perlDreamerno crow to eat02:24
Mech422well - since the IM tests passed and nothing showed in the change log, I was betting on wre/wg change02:24
Mech422you were right though02:25
@rizeni need some help from anybody that knows something about Facebook02:25
@rizenhttp://search.cpan.org/~clscott/WWW-Facebook-API-0.4.14/02:25
@rizenMech422: don't worry about it...we all have those days02:25
@rizennobody is right all the time02:25
@rizenok so given that API02:25
@rizenif i wanted to tie into it02:25
@rizento create an aspect that you could add to any asset02:25
@rizenthat would publish an "announcement" 02:26
@rizenwhat would i use02:26
@rizenfor example02:26
@rizenStory Manager02:26
@rizensomeone publishes a new article02:26
@rizenand i want to announce that story on facebook02:26
+perlDreamerhang on a sec, I'll get Mrs perlDreamer02:26
+perlDreamershe's a new facebook user02:26
Mech422rizen: btw - 9.3 isn't building here and last I heard it wasn't building for Synq02:27
Mech422I got it to build as far as Time-HiRes02:27
@rizenit dies on Time::HiRes?02:27
Mech422yes02:27
Mech422it actually dies on IM02:27
@rizenthat's a wierd place to die02:27
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Mech422because the LD flag isn't updated02:28
Mech422but I gave the fix to SynQ and its works for both of us02:28
@rizenare you talking about the --with-gnu-ld?02:28
Mech422no - I'm talking about LDFlag=/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/5.8.10/$ARCH/core thingy02:29
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dreamersgirlHi rizen!02:29
Mech422it fails on both 32 bit  and 64 bit last I heard02:29
@rizenhi dreamersgirl 02:31
+perlDreamerdreamersgirl is a facebook user.  You know how those young kids are.02:31
@rizenMech422: i compiled it on 7 different operating systems02:31
@rizenand uploaded it to sf02:31
@rizenso if it's failing02:31
@rizenit's something local to you02:31
@rizenand maybe sync as well02:31
Mech422ok - go tell that to Synq02:31
@rizeni would but he's sleeping02:32
Mech422oh and there's still syntax errors in the build script02:32
Mech422you need spacess around '[' and ']' in bash02:32
@rizenare you a chronic complainer or something?02:32
@rizendidn't i give you git access?02:32
@rizeni thought i did02:32
Mech422rizen: no - just got treated like an idiot so feel no reason to sugar coat things02:33
Mech422no as far as I know I have no git commit access02:33
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Mech422and I got it to work here _and_ posted patches twice now - so I don't think thats chronic complaining ?02:33
@rizenok then i'm going to complain quick02:34
@rizenyou posted your patches to irc02:34
@rizenthat's no place to post anything that you want to have any impact on anything02:34
@rizento quote a great movie, stuff posted here will "up and vanish like a fart in the wind"02:35
Mech422actually - I posted to the 'dev forum' where someone (you) told me to?  synq was the only one that noticed...02:35
@preactioni told you to, i think02:35
Mech422ahh - sorry - my bad02:35
Mech422and to paraphrase rizen from yesterday 'mech422 don't know and I don't listen to people that don't know'02:36
@rizenMech422: i noticed that one02:37
@rizenand just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it02:37
@rizenthe same as i told you yesterday02:37
@rizen64 bit was not my priority yet02:37
Mech422anyway, point being - according to the big message libtools posts in the build logs...02:37
Mech422your installing libperl in a non-standard location - which should require you to use a full path in a -L option during link02:38
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11115 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.25 release.02:38
Mech422it appears your managing a build without this - which neither I nor SynQ can do02:38
Mech422so either your linking against a different libperl.a or we (synq and I ) have larger issues02:39
Mech422it would be good to see a build log and determine which is which02:39
Mech422err...it would be good to see a _working_ build log and determine which is which02:40
@rizeni'm apparently missing a good bit of conversation between you and SynQ2 02:40
@rizenbecause i know he's compiled the WRE (including 0.9.3) successfully several times on his boxes02:40
@rizenthey are one run his demo.webgui.nl site02:40
dreamersgirlrizen--perlDreamer mentioned you were asking about Facebook.02:40
dreamersgirlI use it, but am no means an expert.02:41
dreamersgirlCan I give you a hand anyway?02:41
@rizendreamersgirl: i think preaction figured out what i want to know02:41
@rizeni don't know anything about it02:41
@preactionfacebook terminology might be a good thing though, i know little about that02:41
@rizenbut i want to create something in webgui that developers can use to have their applications automatically publish data to a facebook page02:41
Mech422rizen: about 10 minutes this morning - there are irc proxy's that will maintain scrollback for you ... 02:41
@preactioni use twitter to update my facebook and that's all the facebook that i care to learn about02:41
@rizenMech422: i know there are proxies, but i don't care enough to scroll back through 20 hours of conversations to find what you're talking about02:42
@rizenso i'll wait until i can talk to SynQ2 myself02:42
dreamersgirlrizen:  I'm glad you have what you need02:43
@rizendreamersgirl: sorry to have bothered you02:43
dreamersgirlno bother!  It always fun to see what's going on in channel.02:43
Mech422rizen: heres the paste from this mornin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34e1090e02:44
@rizendreamersgirl: hopefully my facebook integration works, and then webgui can interact with twitter02:44
@rizenand facebook02:44
dreamersgirlthat'd be cool!02:44
dreamersgirlguess I'll have to become a webGUI fan sometime.  :)02:44
@preactiondreamersgirl: you should be able to already, tavisto put webgui in facebook02:45
dreamersgirlI'll look for it next time I'm surfing around!02:45
+perlDreamersurf surf surf02:45
+perlDreamerWhat about dinner for hungry perlDreamers?02:45
dreamersgirlFor now, it's back to being evil nazi mom02:45
dreamersgirl;)02:45
@preactionhang 102!02:45
dreamersgirlBye everyone!02:46
@preactionunless you have two windows keys, than it's hang 103!02:46
Mech422rizen: he was using wre-9.3 source (tarball?) and I was using git clone from about 3am PST02:46
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@rizendon't know what to tell you02:48
@rizeni don't have the build logs from any of the boxes i built on02:48
Mech422rizen: usually this is the part where you call me stupid02:48
Mech422but hey! I'm getting used to it02:48
@rizenno i'ts not02:48
@rizeni resent that you would even say that02:49
@rizenyesterday you were talking about rewriting the whole WRE build process and you didn't even know how the current one worked02:49
Mech422what should I interpret "no, you dont' know and I don't fill my head with info from people that don't know" to mean ?02:49
Mech422as far as I can see - the current one _doesn't_ work02:49
Mech422your the only one it works for02:49
@rizeni don't think i typed that02:50
Mech422I"m paraphrasing02:50
elninoI didn't know webgui was on facebook. I just joined!! yea!02:50
Mech422however, more to the point - I suspect your build is linking against a system installed libperl ...02:50
Mech422do your build boxes have perl installed _before_ wre is built ?02:51
@rizenyes, and they must02:51
@rizenbecause we use perl as part of the build script before we build perl02:51
@rizenand it may link against the system perl02:51
Mech422yeah - I saw that ...02:51
@rizeni'm not saying that it doesn't02:51
Mech422we don't really _have_ to use it in getsources - we could use sed for doing the cgi path munging02:52
@rizeni'm saying the same thing i told you 10 times yesterday. it works, and that's what i care about02:52
Mech422oh ouch02:52
@rizennow, if it can be better02:52
Mech422what happens when you install perl 5.0.10 and system perl is 5.0.8 ?02:52
@rizenlet's make it better02:52
@rizenIT WORKS02:52
Mech422doesn't shit go blooey ?02:52
@rizenyou know how i know02:52
Mech422ok02:53
@rizenbecause all these boxes have perl 5.8 on them02:53
@rizenand wre has perl 5.1002:53
@preactionit works for now, if it should break in the future, it will get fixed. if we fix it before it breaks, it will be better02:53
@rizenright02:53
@rizeni'm not saying we can't change things02:53
Mech422then I'm at a loss for the moment - with no logs to check, I can't really say how it works for you and not synq or me02:53
@rizeni'm not saying we can't impove things02:53
@rizeni'm just saying that it works02:53
@rizenif you have suggestions, let's get those implemented02:54
@rizenbut let's not rewrite 5 years worth of knowledge02:54
@rizenlet's add to it02:54
@rizenlet's improve it02:54
@rizennot start from scratch02:54
Mech422the build script is new in 9.3 isn't it ?? 9.1 didn't have getsources and getperlmodules ?02:54
Mech422anyway - I have 64bit build logs available02:55
@preactionnah, those are old02:55
@rizengetsources.sh and getperlmodules.sh are new02:55
@rizenbuild.sh is not new02:55
Mech422hopefully synq will have 32 bit logs this evening02:55
@rizenit's been around since before i realeased WRE to the public02:55
@rizenbuild.sh represents 5 years of tinkering to get shit to compile. that's why i call it knowledge02:56
@rizenit's like 1000 man hours in that one file02:56
@rizenit certainly has bugs02:56
@rizenand it's certainly not perfect02:56
@rizenbut it is a good starting point from which to make each subsequent release better02:56
Mech422I've got a client call...02:57
Mech422perhaps you can start a reebuild and save the build logs02:57
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Mech422with that and 1 from synq and 1 from me, we might have a good basis for figuring out whats going on02:58
@rizeni'll start it compiling on my mac now (from git head) 02:58
Mech422thanks02:59
@rizenfyi this is going to take a couple hours03:13
Mech422its ok - I'll be up at leat another 8 hours03:13
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11116 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed #9927 Survey - verbatim03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed inconsistencies between answer 'comment' and 'verbatim'.03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Updated tests.03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Made minor changes to reporting methods but they still need some love.03:56
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_elnino_anyone here have macromedia flash?04:11
_elnino_can someone kick elnino_ off, thanks.  I don't know what happened.04:14
+perlDreamerrelease ahoy!04:16
_elnino_congrats!04:16
+perlDreamerthank you :)04:17
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@preaction_elnino_: you can using /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password>04:19
_elnino_that will change me back? so I can log out?04:20
_elnino_then how do I get back to the other me?04:20
@preactionno, that'll force the nickname off the server04:20
@preactionthen you just have to /nick <nickname>04:20
_elnino_oh. I thought only admins could do that.04:20
_elnino_I dont' have any passowrds.04:21
@preactionnope, only IRCops, and we're not those04:21
@preactionoh, well, that's a benefit to registering ;)04:21
@preaction/msg nickserv help register04:21
+perlDreameryou can't tell one elnino from another without a password04:21
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11117 /releases/WebGUI_WebGUI-7.6.25: Release WebGUI-7.6.2504:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11118 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25: Release 7.6.2504:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11119 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25-stable: Release 7.6.25-stable04:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11120 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Ready for 7.6.26 development.04:22
_elnino_all these elnino are done by xchat (what I use). If elnino doesn't work, it automatically trys something else. I never set a password... hmm.04:22
@preactionalso, smoke.plainblack.com is running. i hope to have TAP::Formatter::HTML working soon, and a nice fancyindex CSS file04:22
+perlDreamernice work, preaction!04:23
_elnino_preaction - what do you register to?04:23
@preaction_elnino_: what do you mean? type "/msg nickserv help register". nickserv will help you (that's who you register to as well)04:24
@preactionsee this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration04:24
_elnino_oh...ok... 04:24
* _elnino_ is all confused04:25
+perlDreamerthe TAP output looks... truncated04:25
+perlDreameris that a partial run, preaction?04:25
@preactionperlDreamer: it's a current run. it's running, right now04:25
+perlDreamerah, cool04:25
+perlDreamerI actually need that04:25
+perlDreamerUser.t is acting very strangely right now04:25
+perlDreamer(on my laptop)04:25
@preactioni'm going to hopefully have it switching between branches again soon as well04:26
@preactionremember that one month i had this all working, and it was nice? i want that month back!04:26
* _elnino_ goes to watch "this old house"04:26
+perlDreamersay hi to norm for us04:27
+perlDreamerpreaction, is it running as root?04:29
@preactionyes, for now04:29
@preactioni suppose i could su to webgui, that should still allow me to open the log files04:30
Mech422preaction: I take it TAP is perl's 'buildbot' ? for continous build and testing ?04:32
@preactionTAP is the Test Anything Protocol, it's just the way Perl gives test output04:32
Mech422ahh...04:33
@preactioni should say it's being used by more than Perl now04:33
@preactionit's goal is both machine and human readability (which is fills wonderfully)04:33
+perlDreamereven better than XML!04:33
Mech422Hmm - it looks like the standard per 'make test' output?  so thats formalized/standardized now ?04:34
Mech422s/per/perl/04:34
@preactionthat's always been the standard, since Perl's earliest test suites04:35
@preactionbut yes, that's the same output04:35
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@preactionmake test is the same as "prove -r t/" (well, close enough to)04:35
Mech422Cool - so it should be easier to create 'buildbot' type tools that work cross-language/test harness ?04:36
@preactionright, TAP has a website iirc04:37
Mech422yeah  - googling now :-)04:37
@preactionhttp://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page04:37
Mech422soo many neat toys to try and keep up with...04:38
@preactionina ddition to the implementations in those other languages, PostgreSQL has a TAP testing framework for SQL queries04:38
Mech422oh nifty :-)  Testing raw SQL was something I never even considered04:39
Mech422I always see it in terms of some language or other04:39
+perlDreamergot it!04:45
Mech422perlDreamer: ??04:46
Mech422Is it contagious ?? :-D04:46
+perlDreamerno, parasitic04:46
Mech422I see...  may I ask to what we're referring ?  and is it painful ? :-P04:47
+perlDreamerit's a bug I found in 7.7.9 pre-release04:47
+perlDreamerI've been working on it for 4 hours04:47
+perlDreamerand now I feel good that I found it04:48
Mech422ahh! congrats :-)04:48
+perlDreamerbut quite stupid04:48
* perlDreamer should know what WebGUI methods are subroutines, and which are methods04:48
Mech422oh  - to $self or not to $self - is that the question ? 04:50
Mech422whether it be nobler to... ahh...I ran it into the ground already, so I'll shutup now :-P04:50
+perlDreamertoo much eq, dudely04:52
Mech422yeah - I'm jonesing...04:52
Mech422just waiting for this build - then I'm off to slay... schtuff :-P04:52
Mech422what kind of stuff ? undead stuff ?  giant spidery stuff ?  decisions decisions...04:54
_elnino_boy, I learn all sorts of new words from Mech422. =)04:54
Mech422I think they should add demanding clients, and maybe zombie processes ...04:54
daviddelikatso... when I make a bugfix that is a template edit...04:55
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, are you using wgd?04:55
Mech422_elnino_: you mean, I'm not just charming and good looking - I'm educational too ?? :-D04:55
daviddelikatall I have to do is put the template package in the upgrades/packages... directory right04:55
+perlDreamerright, with wgd you'd do04:55
daviddelikati do use wgd yes04:55
+perlDreamerwgd package --upgrade (assetId|url)04:55
+perlDreamerand it will do it all for you04:56
+perlDreamereven putting it in the right place04:56
+perlDreamerall you have to do is svn add it, and commit it04:56
_elnino_whats wgd? is that something new in 7.6?04:56
+perlDreamerno, it's Haarg's awesome WebGUI Development tool04:56
+perlDreamerlet's say you want to edit a template on a remote server04:56
+perlDreamerso you ssh into it04:57
daviddelikator the webgui god tool04:57
+perlDreamerthen type wgd edit templateAssetId04:57
+perlDreamerthat throws you into your favorite text editor for template hacking04:57
+perlDreamerand then you decide that you want a package of that to put on different servers04:57
+perlDreamerwgd package templateAssetId04:57
+perlDreamerwhammo!04:57
+perlDreamermakes you a package04:57
daviddelikatdid not know that04:57
_elnino_slick. It seems I read about something like that in the devloper book.04:58
+perlDreamerand that's just the tip of what it can do04:58
daviddelikatdo you know what version this si all in?04:58
* perlDreamer runs off of git, so whatever the latest is04:58
+perlDreamerHaarg will do a wgd presentation at the WUC04:58
daviddelikatis there a git package for centos?04:58
+perlDreameryes04:59
daviddelikatI dont have it installed on my vm yet because there was none that would go automagically04:59
+perlDreamerwhere did I find that04:59
+perlDreamerit was off a foreign repository, daviddelikat04:59
@preactioni got mine from kernel.org, let me get the info04:59
@rizenMech422: i got an error compiling TIme::HiRes when i compile out of head just now. I did not get that error when i built using wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz, so something must have changed05:00
Mech422I get the same error..05:01
Mech422just 'false' in the log - then it aborts05:01
Mech422funny thing is - if you cd to the dir, and type 'make' - it builds05:01
@rizenhere's the build log05:01
@preactiondaviddelikat: i can send you the script via pm, but pastebin says i'm a spammer05:01
@rizenhttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log05:01
Mech422thanks05:01
@rizengotta go. hope it helps you. i'll be on tomorrow to try to figure out why this happened05:02
Mech422ok - thanks05:02
daviddelikatpreaction: I can always git the latest from the hub...05:02
daviddelikatit would be nice to have git installed though...05:03
@preactiondaviddelikat: i mean the script to install git05:03
daviddelikatnot that I need another tool to maintain...05:03
daviddelikatoh05:03
@preactionit's 4 commands, 3 wget and an rpm05:03
daviddelikathow big is it?05:03
@preaction4 lines05:03
@preactioni can't pastebin it, because pastebin says i'm a spammer because it has 3 URLs in it05:03
+perlDreamerhow about posting it, one line at a time in channel? >:)05:04
daviddelikatone sec...05:04
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daviddelikatsorry I thought I had a place you could post it...05:06
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daviddelikattry david-delikat at usa.net05:06
+perlDreamerif it's really useful, it could be uploaded to the bazaar05:07
@preactionsent05:09
daviddelikattanks05:09
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daviddelikatanybody know why wgd doesn't have a page in the wiki?05:22
@preactionas wgdev maybe05:24
@preaction?05:24
daviddelikatill try it05:24
daviddelikatnope05:24
daviddelikati know its in there i just can never remember how to find it...05:25
daviddelikatall i want is the url for the git repo05:25
@preactionsearch github for wgdev05:25
daviddelikatthat did it --- thanks05:26
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bryanlewisany cms' chat rooms on irc?05:30
@preactionbesides WebGUI? probably05:31
bryanlewisis WebGUI a actual CMS?05:31
bryanlewisopensource?05:31
+perlDreameryes05:31
+perlDreamerand free software05:31
@preactionand yes05:31
bryanlewisdemo?05:31
@preactiondemo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org05:32
bryanlewisis it from a framework?05:32
+perlDreameryes05:32
bryanlewiswhich one?05:33
+perlDreamerWebGUI is the name of the CMS, and the framework05:33
Mech422Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl05:33
Mech422wtf ? rizen's IM isn't even using libperl ?05:34
Mech422Hmm - do we just not need it ? we can skip the whole thing and make life easier ?05:34
@preactionmaybe, dunno05:35
Mech422that would be nice05:37
+perlDreamerbryanlewis, it's perl based05:37
bryanlewisoh i see05:37
bryanlewissmarties... 05:37
bryanlewisi'm learning php so it might not be the system for me05:37
+perlDreamerI don't know.05:38
+perlDreamerphp is close to perl05:38
+perlDreamerand there's already a huge amount of code to leverage05:38
+perlDreamerand, far fewer native security issues with perl instead of PHP05:38
@preactioneh, either way you go (php or perl or python but not ruby) there's different ways to do it. it all depends on what you want to do05:38
bryanlewisyea05:38
+perlDreameralthough, to be fair, php has gotten quite a bit more secure in recent years05:38
bryanlewiswell i'm a noobie... 23 years old and dying to learn php better05:39
_elnino_what other cms's are you looking at bryanlewis?05:39
@preactioneh, i learned Perl back when I was 16. age / experience doesn't matter with the 4g langs like perl/php/python05:40
bryanlewisc5, wordpress, joomla, drupal... not for sure which to use/learn from05:40
bryanlewisfor some reason php is hard for me to get my head around05:40
@preactionyou might want to learn without one, and then get a book on one of them05:40
_elnino_are you looking to hack? or are you looking to use the cms for your site and other customer sites?05:40
bryanlewisjust learn php then without a cms?05:40
@preactioni won't start a holy war here, but php is incredibly disorganized for a programming language05:41
bryanlewiswell... I already work for a company and we make sites with c5 right now and its been working well but everyday i feel like i don't know enough05:41
@preactionright, first worry about learning the language. then learn how the language can make those things easier (like frameworks, template systems, database abstraction, etc...)05:41
bryanlewisyea i want to learn a framework too sometime05:42
Mech422bryanlewis: when you get to that point - I'd suggest sticking with C5 - sounds like you would have some resources you could ask questions etc at work05:42
_elnino_http://www.cmsmatrix.org - if you are looking for features for customer sites, this si a good place to compare.  I'll tell you from experience that joomla is a pain to upkeep for customer websites. and not very intuitive.05:43
_elnino_never heard of c5, is that like c1?05:43
_elnino_http://www.sylphen.com/c105:44
Mech422_elnino_: might be some in-house tool they use ?05:44
bryanlewisno not like c1 really05:44
_elnino_c5=concrete5?05:45
bryanlewishttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=c5+cms&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1005:46
bryanlewisyea05:46
bryanlewisyea joomla is hard to upkeep 05:46
bryanlewisi'm not a big fan05:46
bryanlewisbut i want to learn php more and i want to feel like i can make my own cms with a framework whenever needed05:47
_elnino_I was there once.05:47
bryanlewiswhat did u do?05:48
_elnino_I got older. =)05:48
bryanlewisdid u ever have a tuff time learning a more advanced language?05:48
bryanlewisi'm 2305:48
_elnino_my training was system programing, so I came from C, C++ etc.05:48
_elnino_which I really didn't want to do, so I went into db and web developement05:49
bryanlewisyea nice05:49
_elnino_and working with web, and finding out that marketing demands come faster than anyone could keep up with, I ditched my efforts in my own cms and went05:50
bryanlewissomeday i will have a grasp of php05:50
_elnino_a community based cms that already had more features than my marketing group could come up with themselves.05:50
_elnino_if you look at the list of cms on cmsmatrix, I think you'll find there are lot of people out there wanting to build there own, but to compete with other that are established already is a tough hill to climb. It's climbable, but tough to catch up.05:51
bryanlewisyea thats pretty nice05:51
_elnino_just my experience.05:52
bryanlewisyea  i just think building a cms would help me learn and accomplish a personal goal 05:52
_elnino_oh yea, it will definately be a learning experience.05:52
_elnino_I'm all for it. It's fun actually!05:52
bryanlewissee thats where i want to be05:53
_elnino_I just couldnt' keep up with marketing group's demands - It was just me. 05:53
_elnino_doing all the programming.05:53
bryanlewisyea05:53
_elnino_IT group of 3.05:53
bryanlewisthanks ruff but at least u know your job well! 05:53
bryanlewisi feel like i go to work and dont know my job well at all05:54
bryanlewisi just live off of someone elses talent 05:54
bryanlewishaha 05:54
_elnino_work for a small company.  You'll learn TONS.05:54
_elnino_mine was 60 people. big enought to be steady, small enought to do everything.05:54
_elnino_(sorry for the extra t's)05:55
bryanlewisi do05:55
bryanlewis905:55
bryanlewispeeps05:55
_elnino_you're in a great place then. never stop learning.05:56
_elnino_but stay focused enough to accomplish something.05:56
_elnino_and never think you know everythign because there is someone else out there that knows more.05:57
_elnino_but you didn't ask for advice... =(05:57
_elnino_I'll be quiet now.05:57
bryanlewishaha no i know05:58
bryanlewisi'm trying05:58
bryanlewisand will continue 05:58
bryanlewisI'm off to bed but will be back online tomorrow will u be on?05:58
_elnino_sounds like you're on the right track with the right attitude. I'ts refreshing.05:59
_elnino_not tomorrow, I'm going to the zoo.05:59
_elnino_but I'm ususally on. There is a bunch of regulars on this chat.05:59
bryanlewisok sweet! well i need sleep in order to learn well tomorrow ... one of my biggest problems is not staying focused on one thing long enough to accomplish/learn it06:01
bryanlewisthought i'd throw that in there06:01
_elnino_yep, that is tough, and common.06:02
_elnino_that's what managers are for - to breathe down your neck. which isn't always a good thing.06:02
bryanlewisyea i'm so eager to learn lots of things i can stick with one06:02
_elnino_yep.06:03
Mech422ok - I'm gonna call it a night...my head is _still_ killing me - almost 24 hours with a migraine or something...06:05
bryanlewisme 206:06
bryanlewisg'night and thanks for all the great help! 06:06
bryanlewisi hope to learn more wth time06:06
Mech422I'll look at the build logs more tommorrow - if we can just skip linking libperl that would make life easier as we don't need to pass the $ARCH as part of the LD flags06:06
_elnino_bye.06:06
Mech422my latest build just died with : ./build.sh: line 289: cd: HTML-Parser-3.60: No such file or directory06:08
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove bloat from Survey response record to reduce json serialisation time06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11123 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey section-level branch precedence bug06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: For Sections with questions spread out over multiple pages, branch06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: expressions should only happen on the last page of the Section.06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Added explicit test.06:09
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CIA-23WebGUI: When a user is deleted, delete any address books as well. Uses the API to get the06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Addresses, too. With tests and upgrade script to take care of old address books.06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11125 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting addressBook cleanup for deleted users.06:09
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+perlDreamergood night everyone06:11
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CIA-23WebGUI: changed HTML tag in lower bar to match upper bar16:09
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mech422SynQ2: ping?16:58
SynQ2pong16:58
mech422perlDreamer: mornin16:58
+perlDreamerhowdy, mech42216:58
+perlDreameryou're lower case today16:58
mech422SynQ2: rizen sent an interesting osx build log last nite...16:58
mech422perlDreamer: yeah - I'm not feeling very upper today :-P16:58
SynQ2what log?16:59
+perlDreamerdude, you've been working crazy hours16:59
mech422perlDreamer: much less, studly caps :-P16:59
mech422SynQ2: it was a build log from an osx machine16:59
SynQ2I haven't seen it16:59
mech422SynQ2: he posted the url - but I didn't write it down :-/16:59
+perlDreamerIRC backlogs are on mentalhouse.net17:00
mech422interesting thing was ImageMagic doesn't seem to link against libperl on osx17:00
@rizenhttp://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log17:00
mech422perlDreamer: ahh thanks17:00
SynQ2ah17:01
SynQ2it fails at Time::HiRes17:02
SynQ2is that a wre 0.9.3 buildlog?17:02
mech422oh - it failed with something else last build I did - HTML something or other...17:02
mech422but here's the interesting bit from the IM build:17:02
mech422Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl17:02
mech422Writing Makefile for Image::Magick17:02
SynQ2ok17:02
* perlDreamer is going for an early morning run to beat the heat.17:02
+perlDreamerwe're currently sitting at 85 bugs17:03
mech422maybe libperl isn't needed at all for IM ?17:03
+perlDreamerwith 5-6 people working on bugs actively17:03
+perlDreamerhack on!17:03
SynQ2I don't know17:03
SynQ2what I wonder17:03
SynQ2is that there has been a wre 0.9.3 released17:03
SynQ2but has the wre-source from update.webgui.org been updated accordingly17:03
SynQ2since when I tried to compile that 2 days ago it failed on lenny17:04
@rizenthe builds of wre that are there17:04
@rizenwere built from the source that is there17:04
SynQ2ok17:04
mech422SynQ2: I'm kinda thinking rizen's build boxes are 'special' somehow.. and the stuff builds there, but not on 'vanilla' boxes ?17:04
SynQ2mech422: I fear you could be right17:05
SynQ2but I don't know17:05
SynQ2all I know is that the build fails on my vanilla boxes17:05
carograyhi all, back from the UK - quick question about redirects?17:05
mech422SynQ2: yes, all I can determine is it fails for me on 64bit lenny17:06
SynQ2and it fails on the -lperl of IM17:06
mech422SynQ2: I could possibly setup a 32bit lenny (I'm using xen, which supports 32 on 64)17:07
mech422SynQ2: but your having problems on 32bit - so maybe setting up say Centos would be more informative ?17:07
SynQ2well17:07
@rizeni don't get how you guys can make that leap that my boxes are special17:07
SynQ2if it fails to build on lenny it's useless to me17:08
@rizenevery one of them is installed directly from the iso's you can download from the sites17:08
@rizenplus17:08
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SynQ2rizen: no special packages added?17:08
carograyif you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...);  macro thing right?17:08
mech422rizen: you seem to be the only one that can build the wre's ?17:08
@rizeni can get it to build on 7 operating systems and you can get them to not build on 217:08
@rizenactually just one17:08
@rizencuz you're both trying to build on the same OS17:08
SynQ2agreed17:08
@rizenno special packages17:08
@rizennothing that doesn't come with the os17:08
SynQ2but it fails on ubuntu 9 too17:09
@rizenon it's disks17:09
mech422yeah - thats what we were just saying - perhaps trying a Centos or something would be more informative then beating on Lenny17:09
@rizensure, but i don't try to build on ubuntu 917:09
SynQ2I'm guessing -lperl does exist in the centos system somewhere17:09
SynQ2so it finds the system perl libraries17:09
@rizenbut i do build on ubuntu 617:09
@rizenso perhaps there's a significant enough difference17:09
@rizenbetween the old17:09
@rizenand the new17:09
@rizenthat is causing the problem17:09
SynQ2perhaps the 'newer' systems have something 'different' then :)17:09
SynQ2inded17:10
SynQ2indeed that17:10
@rizenright, it's not that my boxes are special17:10
@rizenjust that they are built with an older os17:10
SynQ2special == different17:10
@rizenwith the exception of rhel which is built using the newest17:10
@rizenwell, and macosx which is also built using the newset17:10
SynQ2macosx is different than linux17:10
SynQ2that is something which is clear17:11
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@rizensure it is, but it's also a full gnu build chain17:11
SynQ2indeed17:11
@rizenit doesn't use the crap that they use in a lot of the other bsds17:11
SynQ2but probably less bleeding edge then lenny and ubuntu17:11
@rizenthat's probably true17:11
SynQ2I'm going to run a compile on etch now17:11
SynQ2to see if the older debian does compile17:12
@rizenis etch the older version?17:12
@rizenjust prior to lenny?17:12
SynQ2etch = debian 417:12
mech422yeah 17:12
SynQ2lenny = debian 517:12
@rizenok17:12
SynQ2but lenny = current stable17:12
SynQ2and etch = oldstable17:12
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mech422SynQ2: I want to look at the osx build log a bit more and see what else is in there...17:12
mech422SynQ2: if its not using libperl at all - maybe we can drop it from the other builds too ?17:13
SynQ2indeed17:13
SynQ2go ahead17:13
mech422(err - not using it for ImageMagick I mean)17:13
mech422can anyone run a bsd or solaris build and generate logs ?17:13
mech422or even a non-debian linux ?17:14
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mech422Hmm - I should look at setenvironment.sh and see if it does anything 'special' for osx...17:17
mech422heh - nope nothin there17:19
MrHairgrease1hey preaction17:25
MrHairgrease1how's the recur evry month on week thing supposed to work17:25
MrHairgrease1if I say every month on the second week on tuesday the results are varying17:26
MrHairgrease1for instance it selects this month on june 1617:27
MrHairgrease1and next month july 14th17:27
MrHairgrease1I know why that is happening from the code17:28
@preactionyeah, it's because the recur pattern generator is horrible and needs to change to DateTime::Event::ICalendar17:28
mech422SynQ2: thats odd - it builds rizen's openssl for arch 38617:29
MrHairgrease1but wouldn't the intended behaviour be using the calendar week instead of the number of 'virtual' weeks from the start of the month17:29
MrHairgrease1yeah17:29
MrHairgrease1just fixed this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1022817:29
MrHairgrease1which is actually the same problem I told you about two weeks ago or so17:29
MrHairgrease1I guess rewriting that sub with DateTime::Event::ICal would be considered an rfe?17:32
@Haargyes17:32
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CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r11131 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Fixed: Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228)17:41
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ckotilanyone know of any YUI datatable examples in webgui? im having trouble, and its because im the API docs for the datatable are beyond YUI 2.5.1 and they require some new js modules17:57
MrHairgrease1check the vendor payout manager17:58
daviddelikatI was just messing with YUI DT what are you looking for?17:58
MrHairgrease1it's in www/extras/vendorPayout/vendorPayout.js17:58
ckotilok ill do that MrHairgrease1 , thanks17:58
MrHairgrease1or the Asset Manager17:58
CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r11132 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Merging fix for Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228) into 7.617:58
ckotildaviddelikat: well i have some data in json format that i want to put into a YUI datatable17:59
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MrHairgrease1that's basically what the vp manager does17:59
daviddelikatckotil: its pretty easy17:59
MrHairgrease1so that should be a good start17:59
ckotilvendor payout isnt in my version :( 7.5.3117:59
ckotil32 rather17:59
daviddelikatit is best if you make a function to generate the JSON and attach a datasource17:59
ckotilive used the YUI datable in the past w/ versoin 2.6.1 , but it doesnt seem to work the same with YUI 2.5.118:00
ckotilill try looking off of the asset manager18:00
daviddelikatI just added some code to the EventManagerSystem18:01
daviddelikatit is in WebGUI/Asset/Wobject18:01
daviddelikatcheck out the viewSchedule and www_getSchedule stuff18:01
ckotilbut in the dev branch, right?18:02
daviddelikatalso look at the view schedule template on the display tab of the EMS18:03
daviddelikatit should be in the main branch18:03
ckotilwhat version?18:04
ckotiland what versoin of YUI ?18:04
daviddelikatthe version that WebGUI is using18:04
daviddelikati think it is 2.518:04
ckotilok, thanks18:04
daviddelikatI had noticed some items thata were diff. from teh latest YUI but i got around them18:05
@rizenwebgui uses YUI 2.618:06
@rizenhowever, 2.7 is out18:06
ckotilya, thats all im finding API docs for is 2.718:06
ckotildunno how to get them for 2.5.118:06
@Haargthe docs are all included with webgui18:07
@rizenwebgui ships with a complete set of YUI docs for that reason18:07
daviddelikatwhere are you using 2.5.1?18:07
ckotilok sweet.18:07
ckotilim stuck on version 7.5.32 for now18:07
ckotilgonna schedule an update soon.18:07
ckotili should be able to smoothly upgrade to the latest stable now ;)18:07
daviddelikatgood luck18:08
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@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:08
SynQ2oeh18:09
SynQ2Mc Gurk18:09
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:10
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:11
SynQ2how do you do it?18:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkdo what?18:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkand are you talking to me?18:11
SynQ2yes mr. McGurk, how do you slash them?18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:13
SynQ2bare handedly?18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurksometimes it's as easy as replying to a person to tell them that they're doing something wrong, or that the bug has already been fixed18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurksometimes i just know exactly where to look18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurkcuz i wrote most of the code18:14
SynQ2so you have put those bugs in there yourself :)18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut then there are always bugs that kill me and take hours or days to fix18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurkSynQ2: exactly18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurki'm sure that i wrote 80% of the code in WebGUI, and that 98% of the bugs are mine18:14
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11133 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): re-fixed basic auth18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11134 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): 18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed the problem with Basic Auth that UK fixed, but in a different way18:15
CIA-23WebGUI:  that still allows non-realm based Basic authentication.18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11135 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: removed debug18:15
SynQ2hehe18:15
carograyyou guys can answer my redirect question yet?18:23
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:24
@BugSlasherMcGurkdon't think i saw any redirect question18:24
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhat is it?18:24
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: the build log you posted - was that a 'first' build? for some reason libreadline thought it was already compiled ?18:26
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11136 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm): WebGUI::Search epoch maximum range error (#10288)18:26
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: if you had done a build of that code earlier, that would explain it18:27
@BugSlasherMcGurki had done a build out of that folder before, /data/wre was empty when i started18:28
@BugSlasherMcGurki forgot to do a --clean before i started18:28
mech422ahh ok18:28
carograybugslasher: it was before you came on Rizen and Mech422 were heavy into super programmer talk and I was hoping to catch someone ...this is my ?:18:29
carograyif you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...);  macro thing right?18:29
@BugSlasherMcGurkright, you'd put the full url in there18:30
carograyk thanks just checking.:)18:31
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:39
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11137 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:39
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11138 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:39
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: perl seems to build this as part of its bootstrap/install: Making Time::HiRes (dynamic)18:42
mech422and we install this in the perlmodules stuff: wget -t 4 -nv $CPANMIRROR/authors/id/J/JH/JHI/Time-HiRes-1.9719.tar.gz18:42
mech422are they different ?18:43
@BugSlasherMcGurksorry, i don't have any idea what you're asking me. i've reread the sentence 3 times and it still doesn't make sense.18:43
mech422it appears Time-HiRes is installed twice18:44
mech422is that the case, or is there a reason not to use the version the perl bootstrap installs ?18:44
@BugSlasherMcGurkah, now it makes sense18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkwe're probably just installing it twice because either:18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurka) Time::HiRes didn't used to be part of perl18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkb) i didn't realize it came with perl18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkwith the WRE 0.9 series we switched to Perl 5.10, which comes with some modules 5.8 didn't. So there may be some duplicates.18:46
mech422Since the second install is what blew up the build last night, perhaps we should comment it out and see if it causes any regressions ?18:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkwho is we?18:46
mech422I can do it here - but I don't have an osx box to rebuild on18:46
@BugSlasherMcGurki can't rebuild it either18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's bugfix day18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurki need to work on bug fixing18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurki can go back to wre tomorrow18:47
mech422ahh - ok18:47
SynQ2mech422: report a bug on it in the WRE :)18:48
SynQ2then our McGurk will have time ;)18:48
@BugSlasherMcGurkno he won't18:48
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's WebGUI bugfix day18:48
SynQ2oh bummer18:48
SynQ2just when I thought I had found a loophole18:49
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:52
@BugSlasherMcGurkone more bug to fix and we're down to 3 pages18:52
@BugSlasherMcGurkwahoo!18:52
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--18:55
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11139 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor18:56
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11140 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor18:56
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11141 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:56
@preactionfrodwith: how? how did you fix that bug with DataTable?19:03
@preactionor does it create a new row without opening the edit box like it did when I had it?19:03
@frodwithno, it works the way it was working before.  Only, not broken.19:04
@frodwith:-p19:04
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--19:04
@preactionhuh, weird19:04
@frodwithhttp://pastie.org/49928719:04
@preactionah, of course19:05
@preactionis there a difference between the lambda and just passing in the reference to obj.editor.focus?19:06
@frodwithyes19:07
@frodwiththe binding of the this variable19:07
@preactionclosure, okay19:07
@frodwithjust passing the function reference, this will be bound to window19:07
@frodwithit isn't closure, it's function invocation.19:07
@frodwithvar fn = obj.method19:08
@frodwithfn() is very different from obj.method()19:08
@frodwithin the first case, 'this' means 'the default object'.  In the second, 'this' is obj.19:08
@preactionokay, i don't understand why, but i get it ;)19:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001)19:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001)19:09
@preactionoh, nevermind, it is very similar to Perl's handling of it19:09
@frodwithIt has to do with making prototypes work properly19:10
@frodwithand yes, sort of like that19:10
@frodwithonly the invocant is explicit19:10
@frodwithin perl19:10
@frodwithso you don't run into it19:10
@BugSlasherMcGurkperlDreamer: since i've closed 9 bugs so far today, does that mean i can quit now?19:10
+perlDreamerno19:10
@BugSlasherMcGurkdo i get a set of steak knives at least?19:10
+perlDreamerI'll give you 1 kKarma.  How 'bout that?19:11
@preactionyou get a lousy copy of our home game19:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut but but but19:12
+perlmonkey2Anyone experimented with GWT for client side development?19:13
+perlDreamerBugSlasherMcGurk, and pointing out that you fixed 9 bugs in 1/3 of the time it takes me to do that won't buy you any brownie points either.19:15
@frodwithpreaction: dojo has a bind function, e.g. dojo.bind(object, function) that essentially makes a function() { object.function() }.  I wonder if YUI has something similar?19:16
@preactioni know YUI has scope-correction in event handlers (which is probably why I haven't worried much about scope and "this")19:17
@BugSlasherMcGurkperlDreamer: i probably just got lucky, and picked the easy ones19:17
daviddelikatwhat is the style lused for the bug tracker on WebGUI?19:18
@preactionstyle?19:19
daviddelikatyeah, collaboration has a dozen or more style options...19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's not a cs19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's a helpdesk asset19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurknot released to the public yet19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkcuz it's still alpha19:19
daviddelikatso how does one go about fixing bugs in it?19:20
daviddelikathttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/976319:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkkhenn is working on it19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut if you would too19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurki can get you access to the git repo19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkthere are lots of bugs for it19:20
daviddelikatbe happy to.19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkso there' sno way khenn fixes them all today19:21
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhat's your github user?19:22
daviddelikati guess Ill have to make one...19:22
+perlDreamerAll bug fixers are backporting to the 7.6 branch, right?19:24
daviddelikatBugSlasherMcGurk: github uid is daviddelikat19:25
@BugSlasherMcGurki have been19:27
@BugSlasherMcGurkdaviddelikat: you have privs to commit back19:27
@BugSlasherMcGurkhttp://github.com/plainblack/helpdesk/tree/master19:28
daviddelikatthanks, I'll get a copy and get to work...19:33
mech422SynQ2: ping?19:40
mech422SynQ2: if ya get a chance - let me know how the Etch build went :-)19:41
+perlDreamer73 bugs19:42
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CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11144 /WebGUI/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings20:08
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11145 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings20:08
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11146 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix multiple email handling in the Inbox.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Put an email regex into WebGUI::Utility, and use it in Form/Email and Account/Inbox.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11147 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: pull out an i18n message I created but didn't use.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Backporting Account/Inbox multiple email fix.20:23
+perlDreameris webgui.org down, or am I just lucky?20:25
@preactionyou're lucky20:26
+perlDreamerso you can get to the bug board?20:26
+perlDreamerhm, you're right, the wG itself is working fine, must be only the helpdesk20:27
@preactionnope, HD works fine for me20:27
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+perlDreamerbrb20:34
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ckotilI just hit the URL character limit when using the WYSIWYG html source editor. Apparently this thing sends back the html as a GET variable20:41
+perlDreamerhow big is it?20:42
ckotili dont really know how to check. but its gotta be whatever the default limit is for a GET variable20:42
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@preactionckotil: what are you editing? there shouldn't be a GET with the rich editor20:45
ckotilediting an article asset using the rich editor20:45
ckotilv7.5.3220:46
ckotilwell the rich editors html source editor20:46
@preactionit shouldn't, it should use JS (window.opener.forms[...].elements[...].value )20:47
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ckotilthen this JS foo that im doing must be jacking with it20:47
ckotilbut when i click submit, i see. 'Request-URI Too Large'20:47
ckotilan apache error20:48
ckotiland all the html source is in the URI in the address bar20:48
@preactionthat's weird20:48
ckotilits loooong.20:48
ckotilyeah. its gotta be this JS, when i remove it. it works just fine20:50
* perlDreamer heads out for lunch21:00
ckotilheh, you wont believe what the problem was.21:00
ckotil        select.options[0] = new Option("---",0,false,false);21:00
ckotilthe --- caused the rich editor to freak out. i replaced it with just "" and it saved the text21:00
CIA-23WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11149 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 21:23
CIA-23WebGUI: bug #10261: fixed span tag per bug report21:23
CIA-23WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1026121:23
@frodwithis the to-be-released beta 7.7.8 or 7.7.9?21:42
@preactionfrodwith: check lib/WebGUI.pm $VERSION, that's the to-be-released version number21:43
@preactioni think 7.7.921:43
@frodwith$VERSION says 821:44
@preactionmine says 7.7.921:44
Mech422woah21:46
Mech422I re-ran my build of last nights git clone.. and it _completed_ ?21:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkheh21:46
Mech422gonna run tests now - but what changed ??21:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's magic Mech422 21:46
@preactiondid you clean between?21:46
Mech422I rm -rf /data/wrebuild/source /data/wre21:47
Mech422but I did that last night too21:47
Mech422this is just scary21:47
@preactiondunno then. magic!21:47
+BartJolI remember that Koen had something similar22:02
+BartJolbut dunno whether that was wre or webgui22:02
Mech422Its installing wG now..22:04
Mech422then I'll fire up the test suite22:04
Mech422is this broken atm ? t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t22:20
Mech422it seems to have failed the first 3 tests, then aborted with status 255 ?22:20
Mech422perlDreamer: hey - poll.t passes all tests :-)22:24
Mech422including the infamous test 422:24
Mech422t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/edit.t also seems to have aborted22:31
Mech422and Auth/mech.t22:31
Mech422and POE server component throws a compile warning 22:32
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Mech422that seems to be it :-)22:32
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@preactionperlDreamer: got time for a question quick?22:36
WebGUI1wre 0.9.3 compiles fine on debian etch22:36
Mech422WebGUI1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2a911be622:36
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Mech422WebGUI1: how odd - it just compiled here as well22:37
SynQpidgin is not the most splendid irc client22:37
SynQto say the most22:37
TrexHey folks. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered the issue with the new Office 2007 XML document format and problems it causes when someone tries to download such documents from a website.22:38
Trexhttp://littletechthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/ie-changes-docx-xlsx-pptx-to-zip-while.html22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11150 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine.22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11151 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11152 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.9/root_import_account_profile_default-view-profile-template.wgpkg: whoops, forgot the updated template22:38
SynQMech422: I'm using JT's source tarball22:38
SynQthis one http://update.webgui.org/wre/source/wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz22:38
Trex(specifically downloading from IE -- the problem doesn't arise in Firefox)22:38
SynQI'm going to recompile on lenny too22:39
SynQusing that one22:39
Mech422SynQ: I have no idea what changed but the git checkout fromlast nite started working22:39
SynQit must have been the moon22:39
SynQor one of the other planets22:40
@preactionTrex: it provides a fix at the bottom for Apache22:40
SynQor maybe the musqito I killed last night22:40
SynQbut hey22:41
SynQif it works I'm happy22:41
Trexpreaction: yes -- but only having minimal experience mucking with Apache, I wanted to see if anyone else had addressed the problem, and could confirm whether that change wouldn't impact a standard WebGUI installation.22:41
@preactionthat change should not hurt anything WebGUI does. it only affects the files that apache sends22:42
TrexAlso, I wanted to confirm which file this would go in -- in a standard WRE setup. Would you add it to modproxy.conf? or modperl.conf? Or does it not matter?22:42
TrexBoth of those files have similar blocks of "AddType"22:42
@preactionTrex: probably best to put it in both22:43
Mech422SynQ: yeah - its nice it's working... I'd like to know why though - I didn't change anything..22:44
Trexpreaction: Thanks! Is this something that might be considered a "bug" or feature request -- a standard enough issue users will see that it's worth adding to the default WebGUI config files?22:44
TrexOr should I just add something to the wiki to let people who discover the problem fix it for themselves?22:44
Mech422SynQ: anyway - if you get a chance to build 9.3 from git on Lenny, I'd interested to here how it goes22:44
SynQI'm trying that right now22:46
@preactionTrex: i would post it as an RFE with the lines, that way it can get in quickly22:46
@preactionit's also an RFE agains the WRE, not WebGUI (making sure you pick the right project will make it easier to get it in)22:46
SynQMech422: and as I said, on ubuntu 9 too22:46
SynQfor our friends at Oqapi22:47
Mech422SynQ: the 2 spectre compile bugs are due to POE's server component having a 'my' declaration that masks one at a higher level22:47
TrexGood point. Also, I'd forgotten that today was Bugfix Day. Is that what the rest of you are working on at the moment?22:48
@preactionbugs? in a manner of speaking yes22:48
Mech422nappy time..23:04
Mech422later all23:04
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+perlDreamerdown to 70 bugs23:14
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11153 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend23:23
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+perlDreamerwhat, stopping so soon?23:23
@rizensince i don't seem to be getting any bugs fixed due to having to help everyone and their brother with something23:24
@rizeni don't deserve the moniker23:24
@frodwithyou could be BugFiddlerMcSmith23:26
+perlDreamerrizen: I'd like to close out this bug23:28
+perlDreamerno feedback for 6 weeks23:28
+perlDreamerand it's working like it should23:28
+perlDreamerit looks like he wants to be able to say "yes" or "no" instead of 1 or 023:28
+perlDreamerall, I'm going to work on the dirty thing field bug23:31
@rizenok go ahead23:31
@rizenbut then file a new bug23:31
@rizenbecause helpdesk should have autoclosed it23:31
@rizenif there was no feedback after 2 weeks23:31
@rizenyou're saying it's been marked "Feedback Reequested" for 6 weeks, right?23:32
SynQsmoking hardware in your office is never a good thing23:34
SynQone of my 22" tft's just died on me23:34
@preactionyeah, stick to weed23:34
SynQwhite smoke was coming out of it23:34
+perlDreamerrizen, yes23:34
SynQand the smell of molten plastics23:34
+perlDreamerif you let out the magic smoke, it won't work anymore23:35
@preactionSynQ: that's the good stuff! hit that like mike tyson!23:35
+perlDreamertry to collect it all and they may be able to put it back in23:35
SynQhehe23:35
SynQI have inhaled some of it, perhaps now my eyes will have 1600x1200 pixels soon23:35
SynQperlDreamer: do you think I should care about the amount of karma I have and others get/23:37
SynQor shouldn't I?23:37
+perlDreamerI don't answer questions anymore, unless you give me karma23:38
SynQok, hang on...23:38
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11154 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm: Oops, didn?t notice the lc shift, removing unnecessary case-insensitive matching from regex.23:38
SynQperlDreamer: done :)23:39
@rizenyou know, maybe i still do deserve the moniker. have i closed more bugs than anybody else today?23:39
+perlDreameryes, you have rizen23:39
SynQrizen: is bugfixing day a competition?23:39
@preactionalways23:40
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@BugSlasherMcGurkthen i shall keep the moniker until someone takes it from me by fixing more bugs than me23:41
SynQmcgurk forever :)23:41
SynQI'm going to walk the dog23:43
SynQbbl23:43
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--23:44
+perlDreamerrizen, want to pinch-hit one for me?23:46
+perlDreamerI put in a fix for this bug a while ago, and it seems like it's working, but I don't know for sure, because it's a widget.23:46
+perlDreamerhttp://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1009523:46
+perlDreamercan you look at a widget and tell me if it's working correctly?23:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkbug--23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhat?23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurki can't fix a bug for you23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurkthen i'd who would get the credit?23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurki don't understand the problem23:50
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhy can't you test it?23:50
@BugSlasherMcGurki'm enabling the macro on my dev box23:52
+perlDreamerI think it works fine, but again, I don't know what it's supposed to do in the first place.23:53
+perlDreamerand you can take the credit23:55
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@preactionit's supposed to show a gear icon, and then when you paste the code, it should show the exact asset you specified by ID in the widget macro definition23:56
@BugSlasherMcGurkyup it works23:59
--- Day changed Thu Jun 04 2009
+perlDreamerthen I'll track down the commit, backport it to 7.6, and close it out00:00
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@rizenok i'm giving up00:02
@rizenmy brain hurts00:02
@rizenthat's 11 for me today00:02
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine.00:09
+perlDreamerbug--00:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11156 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): 00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Prevent Form/File from returning links in getValueAsHtml if there's00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: no real value in the storage element to return.00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): Backporting Form/File fix for empty storage.00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11158 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server00:23
+BartJolSynQ, have you managed to compile wre 0.9.3 for debian today, when I left it looked like you would have a busy day00:30
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+BartJoloh rizen, on a side notice, has Sarah our phonenumbers00:33
+BartJol?00:33
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SynQBartJol: I can confirm that wre 0.9.3 build still fails on debian lenny, but success I had on debian etch00:35
@rizenBartJol: no idea00:35
SynQ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl it says00:35
@rizenBartJol: i recommend emailing them to her00:35
SynQwhile making imagamagick00:35
+BartJolI am mailing Sarah00:36
+BartJoltoo bad it doesn't compile00:36
+BartJoloh00:36
+perlDreamerSynQ, the Widget bug is fixed00:37
+BartJolwell, let's try it then, maybe a bit late, but hey..00:38
SynQperlDreamer: widget bug?00:38
+perlDreamerdidn't you submit a bug under the name LoopSetShop?00:39
@rizenwhat's a good visual FTP client for linux?00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11159 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11160 /translations/German/German/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11161 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Multiple fixes for Widget, templating, handling assetIds that are not safe for JS, etc.00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11162 /translations/German/German/Asset_Carousel.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11163 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debugging.00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11164 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document bug fix for Widget, actual rev 1047400:39
+perlDreamerrizen, you want something that works with GTK or K, or something standalone?00:39
+perlDreamerK=KDE00:39
@rizenstand alone00:40
+BartJolloopsetshop is Koen's brother00:40
@rizenhow is filezilla on linux00:40
+perlDreamerlet me check00:40
+perlDreamerI always use nsftp00:40
@rizenbut that's command line, right?00:40
+perlDreameryes00:41
+perlDreamerfilezilla is pretty good00:43
+perlDreamervery simple00:43
+perlDreamer1 screen00:43
+perlDreamerhost, username, password00:43
+perlDreamerthen two panes00:43
+perlDreamerhere, and over there00:43
+perlDreamerdrag and drop looks like it would work00:43
SynQhmm00:44
SynQrizen: on debian etch ldconfig -v | grep perl gives me nothing whereas on debian lenny that gives me: libperl.so.5.10 -> libperl.so.5.10.000:45
SynQcould that break the WRE compile?00:45
SynQcould that explain why if you put the path to the wre perl in the configure line it would compile?00:46
SynQand also why it would compile if you leave out the -lperl for that matter?00:47
@rizenno idea00:47
@rizeni know very little about C00:47
@rizenbasically i compile until i have a problem00:47
@rizenthen i google my way out of it00:47
SynQuh huh00:47
SynQsame here00:47
SynQI think the knowledge of someone who does know about C and compiling and linking stuff with that would help a lot here :)00:48
SynQanyone in tha house know about C?00:48
SynQwe definately need the --with-perl             enable build/install of PerlMagick switch :)00:49
SynQthe odd thing is00:51
SynQI did get that version of ImageMagick to compile before00:52
SynQI'm gonna see what happens if I remove the LD=ld there00:52
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+BartJolwell let's see whether the compiling works, fine up till now01:07
+BartJolSynQ shall I package it before continuing? at least we will have a wre 0.9.3 debian etch package01:10
+BartJolor do you have one already?01:11
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+perlDreamer61 open bugs02:36
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+perlDreamerhey, patspam!02:50
+patspamhola!02:51
+perlDreamerdown to 62 bugs02:51
+perlDreamernot bad considering we started at the mid 90's02:52
+patspamrock on. I'm looking at r11116 for backportability02:52
+patspam(#9927)02:52
+perlDreamerit's gnarly02:53
+patspamgood turn-out for the bug-fix day?02:53
+perlDreameryeah02:53
+patspamawesome02:53
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat was fixing bugs, yung and MrHairgrease, too02:53
+perlDreamerWRE 0.9.3 was released02:53
+perlDreameryou don't have a safari browser around, do you patspam?02:56
+perlDreamer61 bugs02:56
+patspamdoes my iphone count?02:57
+perlDreamernot sure02:57
+perlDreameryung was looking for a safari user to verify a rendering problem02:57
+perlDreamerand an iphone might just throw more questions into the mix02:58
+patspamdon't all the PB guys use OSX?03:05
+perlDreameryup, they're busy, or ignoring me, or both, or something else altogether03:06
+patspamas soon as andy appears I'll ask him03:06
+perlDreamerok03:07
+perlDreamereven though it's tomorrow in Australia, you should still get credit for Bugfix Day03:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11165 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the delete album screen.03:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11166 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting gallery album i18n fix.03:08
+perlDreamerand congrats on being added to the credits file03:08
+patspamwoo! thanks :)03:08
+patspamheh thanks for correcting the spelling of my name in that03:08
+perlDreameryou're welcome03:09
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* perlDreamer takes a dinner break03:26
+patspamperlDreamer: i backported that fix03:26
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+perlDreamerthanks, patspam!03:36
+perlDreamer60 bugs03:37
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11168 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backported fix for #9927: Survey - verbatim03:37
+perlDreamerbug closed03:37
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+perlDreamerI don't see any way to get the expires data for a cache04:17
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* perlDreamer is going to call it a day and night04:26
+perlDreamersee y'all later04:26
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CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc75317c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/Pjsbv09:34
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r48b4c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/1aEKhP09:43
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rbc36aad / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey changes from master - http://bit.ly/lqgLV09:43
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc6ef686 / : 09:43
CIA-23webgui: Merge branch 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui into flux09:43
CIA-23webgui: * 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui:09:43
CIA-23webgui:  Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch.09:43
CIA-23webgui: Conflicts:09:43
CIA-23webgui:  lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm - http://bit.ly/hUAfc09:43
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carograyanyone about to help with a tag? or class ?14:34
+bartjolsur14:35
+bartjolee14:35
+bartjollet's hear14:35
+bartjolcarogray: what's it about exactly?14:38
carograyHey! how was your sailing - looked for you off the coast of Norfolk, but the furthest South we got was Weybourne! Lovely weather eh?14:39
+bartjolit sure was!14:39
+bartjolbut not enough wind on the way back, it took us 44 hours14:39
carograyayah! yes, we found not a lot of wind too. However this was good for my husband cause he is learning to use a kite for sailing14:40
+bartjol:)14:40
carograyhe was just using a trainer kite on the beach - working up to learning to kite board etc.14:40
+bartjolcool14:40
carograyanyhow my question is  whether there is an HTML <glossary> tag14:41
+bartjolbut you wanted help?14:41
+bartjolmmm14:41
carograyor whether there is an "accepted"  way of using HTML CSS for displaying words that eventually we want to put into or link to definitions14:42
carograyor XHTML ...14:42
carograywhatever 14:42
+bartjolwell, I'm looking14:43
+bartjolmmm, wel the only thig I can come up with is to embed them in the keyword section in the metadata14:46
+bartjolbut that doesn't sound like that's what you want14:46
carograynot sure.....what you mean what would I embed in the metadata exactly, but also that would have to be unique for each article? unless I made a prototype article will all the things embedded in every article?14:48
carograyor rather a template for the article?14:48
carograystill not sure about what you mean by embed in metadata14:48
+bartjolsorry, trying to do 2 things at a time, as a man, that's impossible14:50
carograythere is a big design conference coming up in June in Boston - I may try to see if I can get answers to solutions to the problem there - I have just been blithely gettig people to tag our glossary words with <glossary> thinking this is a tag and just discovered yesterday there isn't really an html <glossary> tag and it is making a mess of some articles14:50
carograyO:-)14:50
+bartjolbut now I'm back14:50
+bartjolmoving pixels around is tiring14:51
carograymoving pixels? 14:51
+bartjolbut these words should only be visible in the source html?14:51
carograythe words? no I want the words to show in the text, but for now they shouldn't look any different14:52
+bartjolthe keyword I mean is the field keywords in the metadata, which are used by search engines14:52
+bartjolmaybe you can put a <span> tag around it with a class14:52
carograyso say we have a long article that has words like, "lease" "retaliate" "tenant" 14:53
+bartjoland later give that class propertties14:53
carograyyes.... that is exactly what I was thinking by using the glossary tag. Identify the word for now - only in source, but then later14:53
+bartjolwell span it is then I thinkl14:54
carograywhen we have figured out how/what we want to do go back and do s