WebGUI irc logs from: 2010-08.log

--- Log opened Wed Aug 04 11:24:50 2010
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@scrottie	"Looks like you failed 305 tests of 3149." ... now with vastly less blowing up!	13:53
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:09
+bartjol	hi	16:24
SDuensin	Hey bartjol	16:25
+bartjol	what's up?	16:26
+bartjol	I'm only upgrading WebGUI	16:26
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+perlmonkey2	why didn't 8 go with an orm?	17:56
+perlmonkey2	if u respond use my nick so my phone flashes. corporate ants cant run irc on work machines.	18:01
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+perlmonkey2	hey perlDreamer	18:05
+perlDreamer	hi, perlmonkey2!	18:05
+perlDreamer	good to see you back to visit!	18:05
+perlDreamer	how are things?	18:05
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer what r u up to these days?	18:07
+perlmonkey2	fine. working for the man these days :(	18:07
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, it's good to have any job these days	18:07
* perlDreamer is working on WebGUI 8		18:07
+perlmonkey2	bah corp jobs r easy to get cause no one with talent wants one.	18:08
+perlmonkey2	8 looks like a lot of fun. i missed the boat on it as i was playing with gae and nosql.	18:09
+perlDreamer	what's gae?	18:09
+perlDreamer	and there's still plenty to do on 8, if you're interested	18:09
+perlmonkey2	but gae had free hosting for clients. hard to beat	18:09
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/8	18:09
+perlDreamer	just pick a ticket	18:10
* perlDreamer gets called for breakfast		18:12
+perlmonkey2	looked it over last night. might pock up a ticket tonight.	18:13
+perlmonkey2	google app engine	18:13
+perlmonkey2	looks loke most of 8 is done	18:13
+bartjol	well perlmonkey2 I believe there is still some work to do	18:34
+bartjol	like making assets editable	18:34
+perlDreamer	that's happening right now, bartjol	18:36
+perlDreamer	preaction and scrottie are working on it	18:36
+bartjol	a, very good	18:38
+bartjol	that feature sucked	18:38
* perlDreamer goes to the gym, happy in the knowledge that bartjol is now pleased with WebGUI 8		18:41
+bartjol	well, off to my laundry	18:41
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@preaction	have we mined Krang for ideas? i'm reading this blog post and it seems to be very WebGUI-like	19:20
+perlDreamer	what's the link to Krang?	19:49
@preaction	http://proudtouseperl.com/	19:50
+perlDreamer	Krang is more like Bricolage then WebGUI, from what I remember	19:50
+perlDreamer	it's for publishing, not really applications	19:51
@preaction	ah	19:51
@preaction	i need to start up the black blog or some kind of blog again... we're suffering from the same problem Perl is: lack of noticeable activity	19:52
+perlDreamer	I've noticed that across the board	19:53
+perlDreamer	less forum activity	19:53
@preaction	yeah	19:53
+perlDreamer	fewer bug postings, less karma activity	19:53
+perlDreamer	less IRC chatter	19:53
@preaction	i'm also thinking people are waiting in breathless anticipation of 8, probably fearing a repeat of 7.0	19:53
@preaction	well, we've got some new faces / evangelists	19:53
+perlDreamer	preaction, maybe we need a WebGUI post on proudtouseperl, to complement the Krang post?	19:54
@preaction	JT's worried, i'm optimistic, but i have to get this load off my shoulders and have time to execute Plan Long View part Deux (wherein we assault the enemy on the beaches)	19:54
@preaction	note the date on that post: May 2009	19:54
+perlDreamer	what's JT worried about?	19:56
@preaction	the lack of activity, the seeming lack of interest. perhaps the stigma of the WebGUI name	19:57
@preaction	i think we've just bitten off a huge chunk and while we chew we can't be biting other stuff	19:57
@preaction	but then, as the showrunner, it's my job to have the optimism and ambition to spread around the project	19:57
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+perlDreamer	preaction maybe we should try to get a post on the new perl.com, instead	19:59
+perlDreamer	they just relaunched	20:00
@preaction	but it'd be me, i don't have time. i'm already freaking out about the WUC now that I know how much WebGUI 8 is going to be there (and how much WebGUI 8 I don't have and didn't think I needed)	20:00
@preaction	er... what's $recordCount inside the ProgressBar?	20:01
@preaction	it doesn't look like it's ever used	20:01
+perlDreamer	iirc, it keeps track of how far we've progressed, so we can reset the progress bar to 0 once we've gotten past a maximum width	20:01
@preaction	there was an ( if counter > 600 { counter = 0 } ) code in there	20:02
+perlDreamer	oh, I bet that was meant to (but apparently doesn't) set a different maximum width	20:02
+perlDreamer	instead of being fixed at 600	20:02
@preaction	i'm changing the progressbar to work with percentages, so you give it the number of tasks (or calculate it as the first step) and then it will update the progress bar accordingly (the YUI bar doesn't do open-ended stuff well)	20:03
@preaction	ahh	20:03
+perlDreamer	how can you know the percentages beforehand?	20:03
+perlDreamer	take purge, for example, or anything which has to work hierarchially	20:04
@preaction	getDescendantCount	20:04
+perlDreamer	or the number of photos in a zip archive	20:04
@preaction	"open the zip archive", "load it into a folder", "load individual photos". <- three "tasks"	20:04
+perlDreamer	progressBar should be converted to Moose, too	20:05
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6081ea3 / lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar.pm :	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: fix progressbar to work inside new admin console	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: This is a horrible hack and needs to be fixed to shore up the	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: ProgressBar's API before API freeze - http://bit.ly/9khH83	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r69bd44b / share/upgrades/7.9.10-8.0.0/admin_progress_bar.wgpkg : add new progressbar template - http://bit.ly/bs62RQ	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rcbb8c0e / lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar.pm : add docs and total() accessor - http://bit.ly/cV8m8v	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8bd28e1 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Copy.pm :	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: update Copy to work with ProgressBar and streaming	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: ProgressBar needs to handle streaming itself. When it does, all	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: AssetHelpers that use ProgressBar will need to remove their own	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: streaming handlers and just use ProgressBar's - http://bit.ly/cSb0AY	20:09
@preaction	ok, what the hell makes it choose between showing every commit and just showing the result of the push?	20:10
+perlDreamer	CIA is constipated	20:16
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* scrottie reads scroll...		20:45
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb8905ed / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Cut.pm : cut AssetHelper now works (+7 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9qX2Yx	20:55
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@scrottie	http://www.securityweek.com/hacker-uses-xss-and-google-streetview-data-determine-physical-location ... that was a fun talk, and Samy is a Perl guy. He was at YAPC too.	21:23
@preaction	ha, nice	21:26
+perlDreamer	lunch break	21:57
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@preaction	if we can Lock an asset, how does one Unlock one?	22:37
+perlDreamer	good question	22:38
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+perlDreamer	technically, you can't lock an Asset	22:39
+perlDreamer	an asset is locked when it's edited by someone outside of your current versiontag	22:39
@preaction	right, you just add a revision	22:39
@preaction	but if autocommit is turned on, i never join a version tag	22:39
+perlDreamer	then it would only show as locked while it's being edited by another user, for a very short period of time	22:39
+perlDreamer	until they hit save	22:39
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, you feeling a little schizophrenic today?	23:46
@scrottie	who me?	23:47
scrottie0	never!	23:47
+perlDreamer	classic case if even I've seen one	23:47
+perlDreamer	probably happened at DEFCON	23:47
+perlDreamer	it looks like a machine that gives a free haircut, but once the bowl is over your head...	23:48
@scrottie	if you've ever suspected that friend-of-a-friend is a coke head, go to DEFCON. you'll find out.	23:48
@scrottie	and haircuts were $15 >=)	23:49
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@scrottie	was getting cabin fever so I relocated to a Tempe coffee shop.	23:51
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r13c27bc / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm :	23:52
CIA-61	webgui: Fix bad interaction with Test::Class:	23:52
CIA-61	webgui: "Operation "eq": no method found, left argument in overloaded package WebGUI::Error..." - http://bit.ly/9b6Lw2	23:52
@scrottie	they only had one style though: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sportsaction/4847526134/	23:56
@scrottie	oh, I spent some time with this baby: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackfeathers/4856839203/	23:56
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@scrottie	http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/4844180827/ # last one, I swear... $15 mohawks for EFF dispensed right in middle of the contest room	00:01
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* perlDreamer is off to the zoo, where there's wifi!		01:34
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1b0ec95 / (5 files in 2 dirs): New Content pane is working (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bDvJRX	01:57
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knowmad	whoa, it's a small crowd tonite; anyone hanging around?	02:54
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@scrottie	boy this Test::Class suite takes a long time to run...	05:08
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * re1ebb5d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm : Fix typo in property initialization to satisfy Test::Class test for t_11_getEditForm. - http://bit.ly/afrjvV	05:20
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@scrottie	how was the zoo?	05:23
+perlDreamer	I'm still here! The zoo concert area has wifi	05:29
@scrottie	sounds like one happenin' place	05:30
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@scrottie	way better than Vegas. Vegas only has tigers and music. no WiFi.	05:32
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+perlmonkey2	Get Froyo and you don't need public wifi anymore.	05:40
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, isn't Froyo frozen yogurt?	05:41
+perlmonkey2	I mean the Froyo made from bits.	05:41
+perlmonkey2	Android 2.2	05:42
+perlmonkey2	I take my wifi hotspot/tether with me every where :P	05:42
+perlDreamer	Did I mention that the zoo also sells beer, wine, and elephant ears?	05:58
+perlDreamer	of course, 2 of those are not very conducive to good programming, so I didn't buy any wine or elephant ears	06:08
+perlDreamer	and my wife is in nursing school, so I didn't buy any beer either	06:08
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: what does nursing school have to do with beer?	06:10
+perlDreamer	it's really expensive	06:10
+perlDreamer	beer consumption has dropped 100% since she started	06:11
+perlDreamer	which means I haven't bought any beer this year yet	06:11
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+perlmonkey2	I am dumbfounded	06:12
+perlDreamer	I thought you were Oklahoman	06:12
+perlmonkey2	What is life without beer. Empty and desolate.	06:12
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+perlDreamer	less filling?	06:12
+perlmonkey2	Without beer, there is no hope, little chance at love. We can not be surprised, nor feel joy.	06:13
+perlDreamer	you're a little over the top there, dude	06:14
+perlDreamer	how's the great windmill project of 2009 progressing?	06:14
+perlmonkey2	Yeah, I don't think that played as funny over IRC as it was in my head.	06:15
+perlDreamer	oh no, it was great, but it made you sound lonely and desperate	06:16
+perlmonkey2	hah, windmills. The more I researched the less appealing it was. I would need a huge tower to get any real power around my house as I have maybe 40 50' trees on my place.	06:16
+perlDreamer	and THAT will definitely affect your chances of love	06:16
+perlmonkey2	hah	06:16
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+perlDreamer	likely because your wife is likely to whack you with a spare arc-welder	06:17
+perlmonkey2	I did end up getting a welder. And its turned out to be way handier than I ever would have thought.	06:18
+perlDreamer	that's cool	06:18
+perlmonkey2	Did you know I started raising livestock? Goats so far. But hope to mix in cattle someday.	06:18
+perlDreamer	I didn't know that.	06:18
+perlDreamer	Are they tasty? Do they go crunch?	06:18
+perlmonkey2	I can't bring myself to eat one.	06:19
+perlmonkey2	They have personalities and are pretty smart.	06:19
+perlDreamer	yeah, I've tried some goat curry at a local indian restaurant. It's not as good as sheep.	06:20
+perlmonkey2	Which is why I want to move to cattle.	06:20
+perlDreamer	but sheep are dumb, too	06:20
+perlDreamer	they program in Atari BASIC	06:20
+perlmonkey2	hah	06:20
+perlDreamer	I hear goats are into Ruby, or Squeak	06:20
@scrottie	hey!	06:20
+perlDreamer	there's one now...	06:20
@scrottie	next you'll be making remarks about my odor.	06:21
+perlDreamer	scrottie, Arizona is downwind from Oregon, I'd never know	06:21
+perlmonkey2	oh man, past my bed time. Silly corporate job with their fixed working hours and wanting me in an actual office. Hasta la bananna.	06:22
+perlDreamer	later, dude	06:22
+perlDreamer	scrottie, no offense intended, personally to you, goats, or ruby and squeak hackers	06:22
+perlDreamer	but sheep are dumb!	06:22
@scrottie	that was in response to AtariBASIC, actually.	06:23
@scrottie	which is way better than Sinclair BASIC, at least, even though Rev.B had a nasty bug: http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue61/323_1_INSIGHT_Atari.php	06:23
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@scrottie	wait, that's not even the one I was thinking of.	06:24
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+perlDreamer	preaction, in addition to .rss for dispatch, I also want .login, and .switchAdminOn	06:36
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+perlDreamer	.edit would be nice, too	06:37
+perlDreamer	and, of course, to complement .rss, we need .rdf and .atom	06:37
+perlDreamer	Calendar needs .ical	06:37
+perlDreamer	ooh, and think about .wgkpg!	06:38
+perlDreamer	export any asset as a package, right as a URL	06:38
+perlDreamer	time to pack up and go home, folks	06:43
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@scrottie	%&*@.	07:10
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r6df4703 / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Fix typo in property initialization to satisfy Test::Class test for t_11_getEditForm. - http://bit.ly/d4Eeus	07:40
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@scrottie	hrm. WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation specifies a templateId of default => 'PBtmpl0000000000000048', but no such template or asset record exists. I'm using the newest create SQL from master to setup WebGUI8.	10:41
@scrottie	is this a bug? who knows where that template went or what should be used in its place?	10:42
@scrottie	the call to www_editSave is now blowing up for two different reasons, this being one of them, the other being something perhaps related to database state where it tries to create duplicate assetData (and other table) records for an assetId.state	10:44
@scrottie	the whole thing is quickly reaching a point where MySQL decides its in middle of a transaction and refuses to start another one. I don't yet know what that's about.	10:45
+bartjol	oh	10:56
+bartjol	let me have a loog whether it is in my db	10:56
+bartjol	nope	11:01
+bartjol	I think this is a bug	11:02
+bartjol	scrottie	11:03
@scrottie	preaction and/or perlDreamer will know what to do! All I have to do is stay alive until morning.	11:03
@scrottie	heya bartjol	11:03
+bartjol	it is in the upgrade scripts	11:03
@scrottie	oh, hmm. let's see.	11:03
+bartjol	upgrades/upgrade_7.7.15-7.7.16.pl: [ qw/PBnav00000000000bullet PBtmpl0000 000000000048/ ] ##Bulleted List <- Vertical Menu	11:03
+bartjol	and some others	11:03
+bartjol	isn't that template working group stuff? anyway, I think it should be replace by the PBnav00000000000bullet assetId	11:05
+bartjol	which does exist in my db	11:05
@scrottie	I'm naively guessing that it's still a bug that the template isn't in the create.sql in master.	11:06
+bartjol	well	11:06
@scrottie	or a bug that it isn't PBnav00000000000bullet =)	11:06
+bartjol	well, one of both	11:07
+bartjol	but, I seem to remember that the veritcalmenu template was replaced	11:07
@scrottie	I suppose I should go actually look at these, but right now, they're just names... symbols... to me.	11:08
+bartjol	nop, it is in Navigation.pm	11:09
+bartjol	the template should have been (and has been) purged	11:09
@scrottie	"it is in Navigation.pm"... pardon, what is in there?	11:12
* scrottie looks in the git log		11:12
+bartjol	oh, I suppose the default template	11:13
+bartjol	:/data/WebGUI/docs$ grep -R PBtmpl0000000000000048 ../lib/WebGUI	11:13
+bartjol	../lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: defaultValue => 'PBtmpl0000000000000048'	11:13
+bartjol	ok, since you should be sleeping, I'll get it in the right order	11:13
@scrottie	heh	11:14
+bartjol	the default template in navigation.pm is PBtmpl0000000000000048	11:14
+bartjol	this does not exist	11:14
@scrottie	I'm rather fond of this time of night =)	11:14
+bartjol	becaude it has been removeed in 7.7.16	11:14
@scrottie	good detective work.	11:14
@scrottie	"in there" = in the upgrade script. makes sense now.	11:15
+bartjol	so, the bug is not that the template does not exist, but that there is a reference to the template	11:15
@scrottie	I wouldn't have thought to check out old versions to snoop through upgrade scripts.	11:15
@scrottie	yup.	11:15
+bartjol	I only checked the upgrade scripts	11:15
@scrottie	it looks like that affects master as well as WebGUI8. new tests for WebGUI triggered that problem.	11:16
+bartjol	well, this bug has been there too long	11:16
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+bartjol	scrottie if you want to blame people: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10665 :P	11:18
@scrottie	simple mistakes aren't worthy of blame. I reserve blame for particularly short-sighted, hastily written, ugly-on-ugly code.	11:19
+bartjol	oh, like the setlanguage stuff	11:20
+bartjol	well, but this is one more bug resolved, before it got reported	11:21
@scrottie	you've got my permission to patch it, or I'm happy to do so. either way. you figured it out.	11:22
+bartjol	my git repo is a bit scrwed up	11:22
+bartjol	so please, go ahead	11:23
@scrottie	heh, okay. I like to keep three or four repos laying around =)	11:23
+bartjol	anything else?	11:25
@scrottie	I probably should wrap it pretty quick here but I've got a long way to go before all of these tests are passing. plus it takes a long time to run them. I wouldn't wait around if I were you.	11:26
+bartjol	don't forget to put it in the chagelog	11:26
@scrottie	righto.	11:26
+bartjol	well, I just started working, it is 10.30 am	11:27
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters master * rb70ad2e / (2 files in 2 dirs): WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048 - http://bit.ly/9vpkZZ	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7a56c72 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm :	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: Fixes #11765 - http://bit.ly/aFSoud	11:55
@scrottie	hrmmrm.	11:57
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters master * r6a09708 / (2 files in 2 dirs):	12:01
CIA-61	webgui: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048.	12:01
CIA-61	webgui: Fixes #11765. - http://bit.ly/9A5E2Q	12:01
+bartjol	hrmmrm?	12:11
@scrottie	redo. forgot the "fixes #" bit.	12:12
+bartjol	ah	12:14
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scrottie0	yup. think I'm going to keep this $1/day prepaid wireless data service.	12:44
* scrottie0 sighs		12:44
scrottie0	alright, good night / good day.	12:47
+bartjol	goodnight	13:03
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:17
+MrHairgrease	Greasings!	16:17
+MrHairgrease	preaction, are you there?	16:21
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+MrHairgrease	oh colin	16:22
+MrHairgrease	just the guy I'm looking for	16:22
+MrHairgrease	=)	16:22
+MrHairgrease	Do you have time?	16:22
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+perlDreamer	I have a little time, what's up sir?	17:22
+MrHairgrease	oh, I found a performance hog	17:29
+MrHairgrease	problem is in getContentLastModified in Folder	17:29
+MrHairgrease	that is calling the same method on it's children	17:29
+perlDreamer	it has to do that, so that it can tell any containers of the Folder itself	17:30
+perlDreamer	Layouts work the same way	17:30
+MrHairgrease	which becomes a problem if those children children are folders as well	17:30
+MrHairgrease	and their childrens	17:30
+MrHairgrease	etc	17:30
+MrHairgrease	it only needs to recurse one level deep	17:30
+MrHairgrease	but goes al the way down	17:30
+MrHairgrease	compare these numbers	17:30
+MrHairgrease	before:	17:30
+MrHairgrease	Profile of run_fotoalbum.pl for 64.8s, executing 11022136 statements and 2622879 subroutine calls in 412 source files and 106 string evals.	17:31
+MrHairgrease	After:	17:31
+MrHairgrease	Profile of run_fotoalbum.pl for 4.64s, executing 587621 statements and 149525 subroutine calls in 412 source files and 106 string evals.	17:31
+MrHairgrease	brb phone	17:31
+perlDreamer	me, too	17:31
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+MrHairgrease	ok back	17:43
+MrHairgrease	anyway	17:43
+perlDreamer	still on phone	17:43
+perlDreamer	what's the diff between before/after	17:44
+MrHairgrease	the after case was after chcanging the method in folder as follows	17:44
+MrHairgrease	http://webgui.pastebin.com/2wbWVFYn	17:44
+MrHairgrease	very very crude	17:44
+MrHairgrease	but at least a proof of oncept	17:45
+MrHairgrease	btw. most time in the after case is consumed by JSON, for reading the config fiel etc.	17:45
+MrHairgrease	I'm running this from an utility script	17:45
+MrHairgrease	and the folder on which I run it contains many subfolders and ~ 12k image assets below it	17:46
+MrHairgrease	not directly of course	17:46
+perlDreamer	yeah, in a hierarchy	17:46
ckotil	i might be onto a bug where search asset isn't indexing the sql report asset	17:47
+MrHairgrease	anyway. This also affects page layouts with a lot of descendants.	17:47
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, I think a better fix would be to check to see if the child asset is a container	17:48
+perlDreamer	and if it's a container, it should ony check the revisionDate	17:48
+perlDreamer	instead of getContentLastModified	17:48
+MrHairgrease	seems reasionable	17:48
+MrHairgrease	except	17:48
+MrHairgrease	that Layout::getContentLastModified calls super for finding mtime	17:48
+MrHairgrease	which returns lastModified	17:48
+MrHairgrease	which is (I guess) different from revisionDate	17:49
+MrHairgrease	right?	17:49
+MrHairgrease	I agree that the stow 'solution' is real bad	17:49
+perlDreamer	could be, yes. In any case, checking a container shouldn't make it recurse, which ever date is called	17:49
+MrHairgrease	but its only purpose was to see whether that was the performance issue	17:50
+perlDreamer	yeah, and it definitely helped you find it!	17:50
+MrHairgrease	no	17:50
+MrHairgrease	that was Devel::NYTProf	17:50
+MrHairgrease	getLineage being called 40000+ times smelled somewhat funny =)	17:51
ckotil	demo webgui site is able to search sql report asset. dunno why my site doesnt seem to do the same.	17:51
+MrHairgrease	I'll fix this issue either tomorrow or somewhere next week	17:51
+bartjol	ckotil: so except for your site, have you seen it somewhere else?	17:52
ckotil	no	17:52
+bartjol	anything in logs about it?	17:52
ckotil	not that ive seen	17:53
+bartjol	mmm, getting harder to find then	17:55
ckotil	bartjol: would errors indexing this asset appear in webgui.log?	17:56
+bartjol	strange, it is not in my selectlist of asset types to search in the search asset	17:57
+bartjol	well, it can be that they can't get instantiated	17:57
ckotil	yeah, for my search asset, i dont have anythinkg checked	17:57
+bartjol	that would give an error	17:57
ckotil	but that's how it is on the demo site too	17:57
+bartjol	and it is inder the search root?	17:58
+bartjol	just for certainty	17:58
ckotil	yes	17:58
ckotil	well actually	17:58
ckotil	no	17:59
ckotil	!! that was the issue. damn	17:59
ckotil	sorry about that	17:59
ckotil	iirc, i didnt set it to root bc i dindt want templates to be returned in search. but that might have been me being overly paranoid about it	17:59
+perlDreamer	no, you really don't want users seeing hits on Templates	18:00
+bartjol	ah	18:00
+perlDreamer	and internal snippets and navs ans stuff	18:00
+bartjol	not necessary indeed	18:00
+bartjol	this is the good kind of paranoia	18:00
+bartjol	so, bug fixed? :)	18:01
ckotil	the reason my sql report asset wasnt included in the search is because it had a different base URL	18:01
+perlDreamer	base URL won't matter, only position in the hierarchy	18:01
+bartjol	lineage++	18:01
ckotil	ok lemme verify that this asset is actually in the correct lineage	18:02
ckotil	ahh	18:02
ckotil	tis not.	18:02
* ckotil smacks his forehead		18:02
+bartjol	np	18:02
ckotil	our documentation 'guru' has been on my back for months about the searching. it's because all of his content is outside of the search assets scope.	18:03
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ckotil	and i never caught it. excellent.	18:03
ckotil	thanks guys	18:03
+bartjol	well, a fresh look helps	18:03
ckotil	definately	18:04
+perlDreamer	bartjol++	18:05
+bartjol	yeah, scrottie had a long night and helped him too this morning	18:07
+bartjol	something with references to old templateId's	18:08
+bartjol	oh, perlDreamerdid we have an appointment for the hackathon, I don't remember. Something tells me you were going to help me with something	18:09
+perlDreamer	I saw that commit this morning	18:09
+perlDreamer	at first, it confused me a little because it wasn't backported to 7.8	18:09
+perlDreamer	but then i remembered that there's no more 7.8 after last tuesday	18:10
+perlDreamer	7.9 will be stable on Tuesday	18:10
+bartjol	yeah, he found out that it was wrong	18:10
+bartjol	ow	18:10
+perlDreamer	ow?	18:10
+bartjol	that might be a problem with shop sites	18:10
+perlDreamer	how come?	18:10
+bartjol	mainly paydrivers	18:11
+bartjol	custom	18:11
+perlDreamer	yes, they'll need to be upgraded	18:11
+bartjol	and template	18:11
+bartjol	joeri did the ideal driver	18:11
+perlDreamer	really? what is it?	18:11
+bartjol	the template? well, the build is just a bit different	18:12
+bartjol	build is a strange word in this context	18:12
+perlDreamer	I mean, what's the ideal paydriver?	18:12
+bartjol	the looping through the item is different, so we have to redo that	18:12
+bartjol	oh	18:12
+bartjol	http://www.ideal.nl/?lang=eng-GB	18:13
+perlDreamer	oh, i see. not "ideal" as in perfect, ideal as in company name	18:13
+bartjol	I think it is native dutch	18:13
+bartjol	off course programs the ideal paydriver	18:13
+bartjol	insert joeri into last comment	18:14
+bartjol	that's how they program at oqapi, bugfree	18:14
+perlDreamer	uh huh, guaranteed "bugfree"	18:15
+bartjol	they call it feature-rich	18:15
+perlDreamer	I know the shop changes are painful, but hopefully the benefit of having a 2-page checkout will outweigh that	18:18
+perlDreamer	the paydriver changes are pretty trivial	18:19
+perlDreamer	but the template changes are not	18:19
+bartjol	I agree that the cheking out has improved	18:20
+bartjol	it might be a threshold for some sites	18:21
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scrottie0	"at first, it confused me a little because it wasn't backported to 7.8" ... I always forget that one.	19:59
scrottie0	if I had learned, I would never have stopped.	20:01
+perlDreamer	there's no more 7.8, scrottie	20:01
+perlDreamer	after next week, you need to remember to backpot to 7.9 :)	20:01
scrottie0	I need to write a script...	20:14
+perlDreamer	start with /data/WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton	20:14
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+perlDreamer	preaction, dispatch is done. I can merge in as soon as you review	20:42
+perlDreamer	I'm going to write some .rss, .atom, .rdf dispatch plugin for RSS feeds next	20:43
+perlDreamer	well, okay	20:58
+perlDreamer	I'm going to debug the Content/Asset.pm plugin first, THEN I'm going to write the RSS dispatch code.	20:59
+perlDreamer	woot! That works, too	21:00
+perlDreamer	back to the crusade to purge C::IO from WebGUI 8	21:01
@scrottie	which ::IO?	21:07
+perlDreamer	Class::InsideOut	21:07
@scrottie	ahh. Ahhh.	21:07
+perlDreamer	how is the getEditForm work coming, scrottie?	21:10
@scrottie	I've made fantastic progress on making the test suite take forever to run.	21:11
* scrottie looks at the latest run's output		21:12
+perlDreamer	forever as in long time, or forever as in "infinite loop"?	21:12
@scrottie	oh yeah, that's right.	21:12
@scrottie	merely a long time. I haven't reached infinite loop level slowness yet.	21:12
@scrottie	oh yeah. that's right... in getAnchoredAsset, my $asset = $parents[-1]->addChild({ className => $test->class, ... }); winds up creating the same assetId that, a few lines later in the test, $asset->www_editSave; also tries to create.	21:13
@scrottie	boom, primary key violating, things blow up.	21:13
@scrottie	violation.	21:13
@scrottie	that's where I last left off.	21:14
+perlDreamer	www_editSave should either be called an an asset with assetId=new, or should add a new revision	21:15
@scrottie	the few misc bug fixes I pushed up were hard won. in this situation, it's not obvious whether the test is at fault or the code and it's been a bit of both.	21:15
@scrottie	makes sense.	21:15
@scrottie	let's see. t_11_getEditForm was trying to compare two radically different datastructures. I have the test script doing some unsightly munging to get them both into similar shapes before comparing them, including filtering out three fields that just don't match: Keywords, Class Name and Asset ID.	21:22
@scrottie	comparing form elements to properties, I'd get: Missing: 25 references\nExtra: 37 references in diagnostics from Test::Deep. vice versa: Missing: 40 references\nExtra: 28 references.	21:24
@scrottie	grepping out only the ones that have a 'label' field helped a lot.	21:24
@scrottie	this feels hackish to the point of being rigged.	21:25
@scrottie	I'm tempted to test against the PSGI interface using Web::Scraper.	21:25
@scrottie	when fields were added/removed from various forms, the various tests would have to be updated to match... which feels more official but less cool than mining the fields out of the class through property inspection.	21:26
@scrottie	oofda. I need another latte. either that or a beer. though tequila would do in a pinch.	21:26
@scrottie	it's hard to justify taking the high road on development when you're already slow.	21:27
@scrottie	anyway, I'll start to be chattier about this since I think I have myself basically oriented in here.	21:31
@scrottie	maybe I'll stick my Test::Class::Asset into a gist and push that up for comment.	21:37
@scrottie	right now, it looks like someone put matt's script archive into the microwave and it blew up.	21:37
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::Shortcut... shortcutToAssetId... what sets this? I might be missing something, but in 7 and 8, I don't see any code that actually ever sets the thing.	01:09
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/510473 ... the database suggests that that field isn't getting set also.	01:09
@scrottie	contrary to my normal operating mode, I didn't go off on a bender to figure out what the heck this shortcut stuff and why a simple www_view needs to call it on a bunch of assets...	01:10
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r679c467 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.pm : Fix a double $i18n syntax warning. - http://bit.ly/d7FoxZ	01:16
* scrottie goes off on a bender to figure what the heck shortcuts are supposed to do		01:20
@scrottie	ah. WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm creates shortcuts and it passes a value in for that field. hmm.	01:24
@scrottie	bah. tracing fiften stack frames deep only to figure out that the thing is accessible bad data left earlier.	01:30
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+perlDreamer	scrottie	01:34
+perlDreamer	Shortcut has 3 functions	01:34
+perlDreamer	#1 is the most prevalent	01:34
+perlDreamer	it's like a symbolic link to an asset	01:34
+perlDreamer	so that you can display stuff in multiple places, but only maintain it in 1 place	01:34
* scrottie nods		01:35
+perlDreamer	It only ever shortcuts the view method, though	01:35
+perlDreamer	that is important to remember	01:35
+perlDreamer	in Function #1, the shortcut can override properties in the original asset	01:35
+perlDreamer	title, templates, privileges, whatever	01:36
+perlDreamer	so, you could build a CS on one page	01:36
+perlDreamer	and shortcut it to another page with a different number of displayed threads, for example	01:36
@scrottie	hrm.	01:36
+perlDreamer	in function #2, it's part of the Dashboard	01:37
+perlDreamer	in that context, it's called a dashlet	01:37
+perlDreamer	in function #3, and this is so rare I've never heard of it being used ever	01:37
+perlDreamer	it will function like the RandomAssetProxy macro, and pick an asset to shortcut based on asset metadata	01:37
+perlDreamer	does that help?	01:38
@scrottie	yes, thank you...	01:39
@scrottie	hrm. I should try pulling assets up in a web browser more when I'm investigating them just to get some context for what's going on.	01:42
+perlDreamer	it can help for some assets	01:42
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbe42b71 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Migrate CartItem from Class::InsideOut to Moose. - http://bit.ly/9sVUrX	02:25
@scrottie	afk a few...	02:43
+perlDreamer	dinner-time!	03:10
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+perlDreamer	back later	03:53
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+perlmonkey2	Wonder if I could get my fortune 500 company who's sites are built around websphere could be convinced to move to WebGUI.	05:34
+perlmonkey2	To do this I will require three unicorns, a leprechaun, and several pounds of pixie dust.	05:35
@scrottie	I have never heard of sales doing a dog and pony show with unicrons and leprechauns. I bet it would work though.	05:37
@scrottie	sales is well known for using large amounts of pixie dust though.	05:37
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SDuensin	Howdy	16:19
+MrHairgrease	Greesings!	16:19
+MrHairgrease	Greasings, even	16:19
* bartjol slips		16:19
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SynQ	under the shower	16:27
+MrHairgrease	hrm, batjol slips while synq is greasing in the shower?	16:28
SynQ	greasing the hair of someone?	16:32
* MrHairgrease usually degreases while showering		16:32
+bartjol	oh, is there a way to block my emails from becoming posts in the forum? I do see the option to get mails and place them as post in the forum, but no blacklist	16:44
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+MrHairgrease	bartjol: maybe you can remove the users tied to the email addresses you want to block from the post group?	16:50
+bartjol	well, it is more for my out of office automated mail	16:51
+MrHairgrease	hmm	16:51
+bartjol	that gets posted, so best is to sign off for the week for the maillists	16:51
+MrHairgrease	I don't think you can do that out of the bvox	16:51
+bartjol	but that is a bit of a far fetch	16:51
+MrHairgrease	The mail fetch thingy should filter these messages I guess.	16:52
+bartjol	yeah, because normaly I don't see very much spam	16:52
+MrHairgrease	Anyway, your out-of-office message is only being sent once to the list so that won't be a biggie, I'd say	16:53
+MrHairgrease	However, if you want to make WebGUI::Mail::Get smarter, you should look into using Mail::DeliveryStatus::BounceParser	16:53
+MrHairgrease	It also tries to detect out of office mail.	16:54
+MrHairgrease	I've only used it to detect bounced messages, though.	16:54
+MrHairgrease	Which works fine.	16:54
+bartjol	aha, well, 1 hour is not enough to fix that prolly	16:55
+MrHairgrease	nope	16:55
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ckotil	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/find-most-recent-with-assetindex tells us that as of webgui 7.5 all of the data that assetIndex contains. is it possible to search for just a certain piece of data? such as username, creation date, or keywords, meanwhile excluding everything else?	17:40
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ckotil	i wanna search by creationDate, and not include assets that happen to contain that date in say the title, synopsis, keywords, or any other piece of data that is also in the assetIndex	17:42
ckotil	as an example.	17:42
+bartjol	that depends on what you select	17:43
ckotil	select where? in teh search asset?	17:43
+bartjol	ow wait	17:43
ckotil	i just was just referrencing that wiki article bc it contains the most up2date list of data that is contained within assetIndex	17:44
+bartjol	I was looking at the report	17:44
ckotil	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/webgui-search-system is lacking	17:44
+bartjol	well, at the moment you can't	17:47
ckotil	ok	17:47
+bartjol	unless you edit/replace search	17:47
ckotil	right	17:47
+bartjol	especially the resultset tmpl_vars can be enhanced	17:47
+bartjol	but that is only the set	17:48
+bartjol	not the search	17:48
+bartjol	you'll have to work it out with a sqlreport	17:48
ckotil	so creationDate is in the resultSet. how do you search for a creationDate? mm/dd/yyyy doesnt seem to work	17:48
+bartjol	at the moment it isn't	17:48
ckotil	ah, so you could create a sqlreport to search by whatever; creationDate for example.	17:49
+bartjol	yes	17:49
ckotil	ok	17:49
+bartjol	select * from assetIndex where creationDate="myEpoch";	17:50
+bartjol	it is stored as epoch	17:50
ckotil	yeah. i hope mysql can do conversion from mm/dd/yyyy to epoch	17:50
ckotil	does sqlreport do pre macro processing?	17:50
+bartjol	yeah, but I don't know the syntax by heart	17:51
ckotil	could have a macro do the conversion	17:51
ckotil	sub getResultSet {	17:51
+MrHairgrease	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/date-and-time-functions.html	17:51
ckotil	does contain assetIndex.creationDate	17:51
+bartjol	the processing is optional	17:51
ckotil	cool	17:51
+bartjol	but instead of executing macro's you better read the doc MrHairgrease posted	17:52
ckotil	yeah, more efficient	17:52
+bartjol	yeah, but I think you'll manage, I have to go	17:52
ckotil	thanks for the tips	17:53
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+MrHairgrease	use unix_timestamp() and from_unixtime()	17:53
ckotil	right	17:53
+MrHairgrease	eg:	17:54
+MrHairgrease	select * from asset where creationDate = unix_timestamp( 'yyyy-mm-dd 00:00:00' );	17:55
+MrHairgrease	Note that that doesn't work cxorrectly	17:55
+MrHairgrease	unless you asset was created at exactyly 00:00:00	17:55
+MrHairgrease	what exactly are you looking for?	17:57
ckotil	just digging into the depths of the search asset. I really want to learn how to refine my searches. I have lots of cruft getting returned in my searches	17:57
+MrHairgrease	hmm, yeah it's not perfect.	17:58
ckotil	i was just looking into leveraging stop words	17:58
+MrHairgrease	dunno too much about the search asset though	17:58
+MrHairgrease	I almost never use it.	17:58
ckotil	but if i could add knobs to say, search by document/file type , i.e. .doc .pdf, or search just by username, or just by creation date. i think that could really help	17:58
ckotil	ive turned webgui into a decent documentation system. the nav asset allowed us to create a nice Table of Contents for this doc system	17:59
+MrHairgrease	well, you can limit the asset class	17:59
+MrHairgrease	so if your search for files	17:59
+MrHairgrease	limit the assets to WG::A::File(::Image)	17:59
+MrHairgrease	I'm not sure	18:00
+MrHairgrease	but I think the filenames of the actual file that are uploaded are also indexed	18:00
ckotil	yeah, ive been messing with limiting assets.	18:00
+MrHairgrease	So if you add pdf to your search, it should find mostly pdf's	18:00
ckotil	yeah, and it does. but again, it returns a lot of crap	18:01
ckotil	one thing ive done with our webgui is we have 20 something sites under 1 global site. which allows us to search for documents under each of the 20 sites by navigating to the lower site. but you can also perform a global search from anywhere. which is kind of neat	18:01
ckotil	all in a single db. which allow us to search everything if the user so chooses.	18:02
+MrHairgrease	yeah, I think there's little you can do about the crap...	18:02
+MrHairgrease	not until webgui switches to a better serach engine that is	18:02
ckotil	ive got my fingers crossed that it will happen in WG8	18:02
ckotil	i saw the roadmap, and it's a litlte ways down the list. but i can still dream	18:02
+MrHairgrease	I think it's on the road map	18:03
+MrHairgrease	yeah	18:03
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ckotil	any ideas for differentiating between '.doc' and 'doc' short for documentation , when performing a search?	18:24
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+perlmonkey2	is 8 far enough along to deg apps against ot?	19:05
+perlDreamer	on dnot' tkinh os	19:05
+perlmonkey2	r u mocking my phone irc skillz?	19:06
+perlDreamer	totally	19:06
+perlDreamer	8 is not that ready yet	19:06
+perlDreamer	it's not even beta	19:06
+perlDreamer	which means you need to help us get it ready!	19:07
+perlmonkey2	lookes like all the tickets left r not for core features.	19:07
+perlDreamer	believe it or not, there aren't that many features set for 8	19:10
+perlDreamer	8 is a reorg and cleanup for the most part	19:10
+perlDreamer	so there's lots and lots of work to do	19:10
* perlDreamer gets called to breakfast		19:10
+perlDreamer	yum choco-cinnamon pancakes	19:27
+perlDreamer	this is too funny:http://blastr.com/2010/08/image-of-the-day-ufo-sigh.php	19:30
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+perlDreamer	WebGUI::DateTime seems to be rather useless as a Moose type	21:04
+perlDreamer	because it kind of wants to get a session object	21:04
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perlmon90	why cant it just require a session in the constructor?	21:06
@preaction	it does	21:06
perlmon90	the why cant it be a moose obj?	21:07
@preaction	it can, but it's also a Type. so we can say has 'something' => ( isa => 'WebGUI::DateTime' )	21:07
perlmon90	looks good to me	21:08
perlmon90	hah didnt know how good i had it at pb	21:10
+perlDreamer	yes, but via type coercion you can't give it a session object	21:10
+perlDreamer	and with a session object, there are some things it won't do?	21:10
perlmon90	get to use modern perl libs and get paid to do it.	21:10
@preaction	well, it did take a lot of effort to get to this point, perlmon90	21:11
+perlDreamer	uh, without a session object, there are some things it won't do	21:11
perlmon90	we understood :P	21:11
@preaction	by effort i mean yelling at stubborn people who wouldn't listen	21:12
perlmon90	yeah you fought the long hard fight and won	21:13
@preaction	so far	21:13
perlmon90	while you're online, you know my skillz (minus some atrophy from java python dev) any tickets u think i could take?	21:15
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+perlDreamer	perlmon90, how much time/effort do you have?	21:18
+perlDreamer	we've got raw gruntwork, like removing duplicate i18n data	21:19
@preaction	the icon stuff would be nice, WebGUI::Session::Icon goes away, and all the famfamfam icons in www/extras/icon are used, but it's mostly gruntwork, muckraking, dirty cleanup jobs	21:20
+perlDreamer	preaction: do you have an idea about the "new improved API" for that?	21:20
@preaction	yes, none.	21:20
@preaction	the standard controls are completely changing, and if you need an edit button yourself for some purpose you can make your own	21:21
+perlDreamer	session->icon->edit is used by 34 different packages in WebGUI	21:23
+perlDreamer	seems like we should provide a handy way to do that	21:23
@preaction	perhaps an ^Icon macro instead?	21:23
+perlDreamer	icon parameters have embedded quotes and commas	21:26
+perlDreamer	how about we just provide a sane, small API for it?	21:26
+perlDreamer	Session->icon->_whatever should just be a small wrapper around 1 internal method for making the icon	21:27
@preaction	so <a href="<tmpl_var url>">^Icon("edit");</a> <- not good?	21:27
+perlDreamer	instead of having almost the same code in ~10 different methods	21:27
+perlDreamer	not strong enough to handle onclick, hover, etc	21:27
* perlDreamer is lazy		21:28
@preaction	<a href="<tmpl_var url>" onmouseover="whatever i want">^Icon("edit");</a>	21:28
+perlDreamer	I don't want to replace session->icon->edit in 34 files with templates	21:28
+perlDreamer	if every screen was templated, it wouldn't bad, but few of the Admin screens where those edit and other icon buttons are used are templated	21:29
+perlDreamer	it's all string-work	21:29
+perlDreamer	$output .= $session->icon->edit($session, $url, $this, $that);	21:30
perlmon90	perlDreamer thats the probelm, all the tickets look like real wprk amd not like fun	21:30
@preaction	all the Admin screens are changing though	21:30
+perlDreamer	okay	21:31
+perlDreamer	sidebar: have you reviewed the dispatch branch in my repo?	21:32
@preaction	not yet, is it ready for review?	21:32
+perlDreamer	oh yeah. I tested it out and it's lovely	21:33
+perlDreamer	I even wrote the .rss/.rdf/.atom dispatch	21:33
+perlDreamer	and then I almost got in trouble	21:33
@preaction	perlmon90: there's some fun stuff to do with that dispatch stuff maybe? ".rss" urls can be handled directly by the RssFeed aspect. "www_keyword" in the wiki could be mapped to "Keyword:..." urls	21:33
+perlDreamer	because I want to add .login, .adminOn and .edit	21:33
perlmon90	ok after work ill check it out.	21:34
+perlDreamer	oh, and Calendars should do .ical	21:35
+perlDreamer	and Galleries need to manually do .rss, maybe albums too	21:35
+perlDreamer	and I think .wgpkg should export the current package	21:35
+perlDreamer	uh, current as a package	21:35
+perlDreamer	except that we actually make .wgpkg files, so that might now work real well	21:36
@preaction	that wgpkg thing might require special permissions, but it's certainly worth looking into	21:36
+perlDreamer	how about the iffy stuff like login, edit and admin?	21:36
@preaction	hm?	21:37
+perlDreamer	.login should do the same as ?op=auth;method=init	21:38
+perlDreamer	.adminOn should do ?op=switchOnAdmin	21:38
+perlDreamer	and likewise for off	21:38
+perlDreamer	and .edit should do ?func=edit	21:38
+perlDreamer	but they're much easier to remember	21:38
+perlDreamer	and not likely to collide with existing URLs	21:38
perlmon90	these are default inherited aspects?	21:39
@preaction	not for now. in the future i suspect they'll be /edit and other stuff. not sure how i want /login and /admin to work (i don't like that i can't www.example.com/login	21:39
+perlDreamer	the problem with that is now you're occupying the URL space	21:40
+perlDreamer	/home/edit could be a real asset	21:40
+perlDreamer	that's why I think URL extensions are safer	21:40
+perlDreamer	home.edit is still RESTful, and you're not likely to find it in the real world as a URL	21:41
@preaction	true	21:42
@preaction	and perhaps we'll just leave it to a case-by-case basis, not all www_* can be .* methods	21:42
@preaction	but adminOn/adminOff don't need it (new admin console doesn't get turned on, just visited)	21:42
+perlDreamer	yeah, I'm still stuck in 7-ville I think	21:42
@preaction	and login... that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:43
perlmon90	poetry	21:43
+perlDreamer	perlbot: wax	21:44
perlbot	perlDreamer: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.WA.us] [.WI.us] [.ws] [.WY.us] [which] [ws]	21:44
+perlDreamer	perlbot: wax is <preaction> that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:44
perlbot	perlDreamer: Stored wax is <preaction> that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:44
+perlDreamer	which www_* methods couldn't be .* extensions?	21:46
@preaction	well, viewThing should probably be it's own URL of some kind	21:47
@preaction	that sorta thing	21:47
@preaction	also, WebGUI::Keyword should transform into this: http://drupal.org/node/774892	21:47
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/storyManager/keyword/keywordToCheck	21:50
@preaction	it would fix our wiki taxonomy problems	21:50
+perlDreamer	?	21:50
@preaction	sorry?	21:50
+perlDreamer	WebGUI URls are always human readable, so I was thinking that instead of node/digits	21:51
@preaction	perlmon90: another possible fun task: I want more choices of Rich Editors. Perhaps a Markdown one that could be used in the wiki for those used to mediawiki	21:51
perlmon90	that could be cool	21:51
+perlDreamer	how about migrating from TinyMCE to YUI Editor?	21:52
@preaction	we want to migrate to a default YUI rich editor too, but it doesn't support tables. you could make it support tables using <divs>. somehow the tinymce supports tables inside content-editable iframes	21:52
@preaction	so however the tinymce does it, the yui rich editor could do it	21:53
perlmon90	that sounds like css fun	21:53
@preaction	CSS and JS. you'd have to parse out the special divs and create <table> from it	21:54
@preaction	plus you'd get huge cred in the YUI dev community for that one, even if they never accept it into core YUI	21:54
perlmon90	so every time it is rendered it must render be parsed then corrrected? slow btowsers will show this ugliness.	21:55
@preaction	tinymce does it though, how do they do it?	21:56
@preaction	and no, you'd change it to <table> before putting it back into the form to be processed by the back end	21:56
perlmon90	ill give it a pook tonight	21:56
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@preaction	ooh, WGFS might be fun: handling PROPFIND requests with the output that DAV clients expect, and handling PUT requests	22:10
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@preaction	the more i think about it, the more i believe that the little edit toolbars that we insert into pages should go away	00:09
@preaction	inside the 8 admin console, you have access to all those functions for the current asset in the Asset Helpers menu, and for all child assets on the Tree view	00:10
@preaction	Layouts will need to retain positioning, and I believe that having inline editing on the View tab would be a nice feature, but those toolbars aren't necessary anymore	00:10
@scrottie	I love the edit toolbars =(	00:31
@scrottie	even if you can work without them, they really drive home the idea that you can click on the page and edit it -- that the site is not just read/write text but read/write logic.	00:32
@scrottie	it's simply awesome.	00:32
@scrottie	perhaps pointless, but awesome.	00:33
@scrottie	that's the first thing I'd show someone if I were trying to sell them.	00:33
@preaction	it is easier than saying "Double-click on a piece of content and you can change it", which is what i had imagined the inline editor to be	00:34
@preaction	it's a very obvious "Click here to edit"	00:34
@preaction	and also prevents accidental edits, you have to click there and be in the edit form	00:35
@preaction	i'm trying to keep the getToolbar sub around, that's the thing. i just don't want to use it by default for the admin console, because i currently don't know if the user is in the admin console or not	00:37
@preaction	i could set a flag when they enter the admin console, but i can't tell when they leave unless they leave in a specific way (clicking a link that unsets the flag)	00:37
@preaction	in the 7.x series, admin mode is a toggle. in 8, it's a screen. we've discussed options like "add something to the end of asset URLs", but what's an asset url? or "put a placeholder in and fill it in later", but that either requires editing every asset's template or editing the behavior of getToolbar	00:38
@preaction	alternatively, i can ignore turning admin back off for now (which is the plan for the WUC) and find a way to make sure the user is in the admin mode, and if they're not switch it off automatically	00:40
@preaction	or, really, getToolbar only works when admin is on. so i could just edit it, no?	00:41
@preaction	and having that toolbar there does not preclude having inline-editable content	00:43
@preaction	anyway, to find out why the fuck editSave doesn't work anymore...	00:44
@scrottie	hrmmrm.	00:46
@preaction	got it. stupid www_add v. www_edit thing	00:47
@scrottie	one shot deal -- "show edit widgets on this screen" ?	00:47
@scrottie	oh, wait, you're working on that too?	00:47
@preaction	that's a possibility, but i was thinking more like amaya (the W3's HTML thing)	00:47
@preaction	yeah, for the moment	00:47
@scrottie	are you mucking around in these tests you pointed at me a couple days ago?	00:47
@preaction	no, i'm just getting some of the real code working to make sure the new content menu works correctly	00:48
@scrottie	alright. no problem, just keep me appraised if you are and I can push stuff more aggressively. though honestly you'd probably still just run circles around me.	00:49
@preaction	the www_add / www_editSave API needs to be redone, but we don't have time before the WUC and I need it to work. which i'm liking a lot	00:49
@preaction	so we will no matter what need those tests	00:49
@scrottie	yeah.	00:49
@preaction	www_add should instead of calling $newAsset->www_edit, get the $newAsset->getEditForm and send the result to the user. basically thus: www_editSave should not do both things: (1) save an asset (2) create a new asset (that should be www_addSave)	00:50
* scrottie nods		00:50
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7dc57ce / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : allow both className (new) and class (backcompat) (+9 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/97nsWi	01:01
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6d6e576 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : fix typo preventing Article from add/edit - http://bit.ly/bGjaCy	01:03
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+perlmonkey2	If I grab 8 from the repo, any chance I can get it up and running over a cell phone internet connection?	01:35
@preaction	the repo is a pretty large download	01:38
+perlmonkey2	can't remember, are you on github now/	01:38
+perlmonkey2	?	01:38
@preaction	yes	01:38
+perlmonkey2	Is 8 a branch of webgui?	01:39
@preaction	yes, it's the WebGUI8 branch	01:40
+perlmonkey2	oh wow, github has these nice tools so I can figure this stuff out for myself without putting static on #webgui :{	01:40
+perlmonkey2	:P	01:40
@preaction	oh, another possibly fun project: http://github.com/preaction/webgui/tree/diff make the t/Asset/revisionChanges.t and t/VersionTag/changes.t tests work	01:42
@preaction	(add String::Diff to WebGUI 7.x to show changes between revisions and all changes in version tags)	01:43
+perlmonkey2	I'm not sure that qualifies as fun :P	01:44
@preaction	hence possibly	01:45
@preaction	i'd find it fun, but that's mainly because i'll be doing janitorial work for the next 6 months	01:45
@preaction	oh, 5 months	01:45
+perlmonkey2	All on 8?	01:52
+perlmonkey2	Just cleaning it up?	01:52
@preaction	yeah, those tickets on http://webgui.org/8 have to be closed	01:53
@preaction	cleaning up not 8, but rather cleaning up 7-0 for 8	01:53
@preaction	evil constructs go away or at least better alternatives put in their place	01:53
+perlmonkey2	nice	01:54
+perlmonkey2	I'll try to get Plack up and running tonight and if so check out a ticket.	01:54
+perlmonkey2	perldreamer already pack it up for the day?	02:00
@preaction	probably. had some early support calls, so probably took off early	02:02
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+perlmonkey2	I didn't realize he supported end users. Cool.	02:04
@preaction	he's a contractor for us, handling the PB support boards Wed-Fri (I got Mon-Tues now)	02:05
+perlmonkey2	JT give you lots of time to work on 8? Or still working on 10 different things?	02:06
@preaction	still working on 10 different things, just 7 of them are WebGUI 8 things	02:07
+perlmonkey2	hah, nice	02:07
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra13fee0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : add getRevisionDates method - http://bit.ly/cqdE3T	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rfd524c9 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : add revisions to asset data in admin console - http://bit.ly/9Sw223	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0f9500b / (lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): fix my tyops - http://bit.ly/cqq5gt	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r455f850 / www/extras/admin/admin.js : history now works. JS needs locale month names - http://bit.ly/cxxHiJ	02:42
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::newById does (in part) return $class->new($session, $assetId, $revisionDate); ... $class happens to be WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation. a trigger in the property declaration templateId does a stack trace and tells me that field, templateId, just got zero'd out with that line of newById being the previous thing on the call stack.	02:49
@scrottie	the property declaration for templateId specifies a default value.	02:49
@scrottie	my Moose is weak. is it normal for a call to a constructor to zero out default values from properties? or am I reading this wrong?	02:50
@preaction	is it being set as "default" or as "defaultValue"?	02:51
@preaction	hm...	02:51
@scrottie	default.	02:51
@preaction	no, it shouldn't be getting cleared out	02:51
@preaction	what does the database have for that field?	02:52
@preaction	perhaps the database has that field empty, and the database is overriding the default (when it should instead be the default)	02:52
@scrottie	sometimes it has the expected default value, some times it's blank. I haven't found the pattern yet.	02:52
@scrottie	hrm. it's creating the asset from scratch.	02:53
@scrottie	or I thought it was.	02:53
@preaction	newById is getting it from the DB, only way to really create a new asset is to $parent->addChild	02:54
@scrottie	right.	02:55
@scrottie	hrm.	02:55
@preaction	but good luck on the heisenbug	02:57
* preaction calls it a week		02:57
@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::addChild calls WebGUI::Asset::addRevision calls WebGUI::Asset::newById calls WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation::new...	02:58
@preaction	wait, addRevision calls newById?	02:58
@scrottie	alright, take it easy. find a hammock in someone's backyard, preferably someone who also has beer in their fridge.	02:58
@preaction	that doesn't sound right, but i don't have the wherewithal to know why	02:58
@scrottie	I didn't put that together until I said aloud that it was an asset being newly created.	02:59
@scrottie	cool. I'll continue to play with it.	02:59
@preaction	Haarg or perlDreamer would be the best for that question. newById should function as newByDynamicClass used to (just named a lot better)	02:59
Haarg	what is the actual bug being worked on?	03:02
@scrottie	Navigation loses its templateId... templateId goes undef. www_view blows up.	03:03
@scrottie	perhaps other assets have the same problem. this one just runs first in the tests.	03:03
Haarg	which test is this?	03:04
@scrottie	hmm, it looks like addRevision, just a few lines down, goes on to try to stick correct information into the asset. I was just confused about whether Moose was doing what it's supposed to be there... if that constructor call should be clearing out that property.	03:04
@scrottie	it's one of the Test::Class ones. I haven't pushed my version up. as I said yesterday, it looks like matt's script archive got microwaved and blew up.	03:05
@scrottie	I can push it up though.	03:05
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@scrottie	it isn't doing anything interesting at that point though... it's just calling addChild( { className => 'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation' } ... )	03:07
@scrottie	well, at the point that this trigger kicks in and gives me a stack trace. then later it stumbles on that being undef and blows up.	03:07
@scrottie	but now I'm realizing that perhaps it gets repopulated at that point and then later undef'ed again. I'd really like someone to tell me if that's normal Moose behavior though...	03:08
@scrottie	$class->new($session, $assetId, $revisionDate); ... for Navigation, should that cause a trigger to run for the templateId property that reports templateId being set to undef?	03:09
@scrottie	is there anyone in this room who sees this question and simply isn't sure of the answer?	03:16
Haarg	from my reading of the code, the way it should work is that addChild uses newByPropertyHashRef to create an asset on memory without going to the database, using Moose's default initialization stuff. then addRevision is called, which creates a record in the database and initializes an object from that (newById). that object will have every property set as undef because that is what is in the database. the previous in memory object then updates	03:16
Haarg	the values of the new object based on itself.	03:16
Haarg	so the end result should be an object with the correct values and matching db info.	03:16
Haarg	but there would be an object created with all undefs along the way	03:17
Haarg	maybe that has something to do with your problem?	03:17
Haarg	i'm not entirely clear on the exact issue you are hitting.	03:17
@scrottie	maybe. not sure. I have to read through all of these trigger stack dumps.	03:17
@scrottie	well, for the moment, my problem is this: I'm wondering if calling ->new on WG::A::W::Navigation with four values should, as Moose is expected to work, cause default values in other fields to be overwritten with undef.	03:18
Haarg	not on the end result, no	03:18
Haarg	are you specifically meaning calling ->new({property hash})? that should be using moose's standard initialization stuff, which will use the default values, not undef.	03:20
@scrottie	addRevision does that call.	03:22
@scrottie	I'm not clear on the semantics for when trigger runs. the docs say it happens after the assignment.	03:23
Haarg	assignment either by the initializer or by calling the setter. but not due to the default value being evaluated.	03:24
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Haarg	might help if you have something you can push.	03:25
Haarg	the way moose handles this stuff is pretty straight forward, but with all the extra crap we have for asset creation/initialization it makes it a mess to track through.	03:26
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@scrottie	yeah. the least I can do here is pare this down to a simple, repeatable test.	03:26
@scrottie	right now I'm still trying to get a handle on this one.	03:26
@scrottie	hrm. this is interesting. should addChild(), in two different calls, return an asset of the same assetId?	03:26
Haarg	not unless you specify the asset id when calling it	03:27
Haarg	preaction, if might be good if there was stuff on the 8 tracker to mark things either as blocking 8.0 or as complete before 8.0 or not at all	03:29
@preaction	agreed. i'll add it to the tracker ;)	03:30
@preaction	i have to go and do that for 7.9 stable too, so monday	03:31
@scrottie	I'm going to afk a bit here to make a grocery store run...	03:42
@scrottie	think I've figured this one out. simple, stupid, as usual.	03:43
@scrottie	I'll try to clean up tests and push that up tonight too.	03:43
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@scrottie	/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm needs a templateId. '' ain't cutting it.	12:40
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@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/512638 fwiw... current state of the Test::Class::Asset test.	12:51
@scrottie	didn't quite get around to getting it fixed up. got sidetracked some infrastructure that it turns out I didn't need to have... Plack form processing and the faked request stuff.	12:52
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+perlmonkey2	Haarg: you around? Question about W8. You say you get 370 pages/s with PSGI and 430 with normal mod_perl?	18:54
+perlmonkey2	could someone check in the create.sql for 8?	19:51
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@scrottie	perlmonkey2, you should be able to snag the latest of the 7.x create.sql and use that. wgd reset will use that, run some upgrades, and it should be good to go. or as good as it gets.	20:36
+perlmonkey2	scrottie cool, thanks. The wre works with 8?	20:38
@scrottie	PSGI performance varies with which PSGI server you use. some of them are light and small and have few or no deps. but WebGUI 8 is also doing Moose. I think it was preaction who had a PSGI branch apart from WebGUI 8. you'd have to ask him about benchmarks on that.	20:38
+perlmonkey2	scrottie thanks again	20:38
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, it should, mostly, but I'm guessing that you'll have to add some more perl modules. I have a hand-rolled dev environment.	20:38
@scrottie	no problem.	20:38
+perlmonkey2	Yeah, I think I'll skip the WRE for now.	20:39
@scrottie	glad to have help testing and playing with WebGUI8.	20:39
+perlmonkey2	heh, we'll see if I can even get it running first :P	20:39
@scrottie	>=)	20:39
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@preaction	patspam is the one who's been running PSGI benches, last i knew he tweaked it up to a few thousand requests per second	05:38
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+perlmonkey2	kind of quiet in here on weekends.	17:40
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@preaction	yeah, i don't work nearly as hard anymore	18:31
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+perlmonkey2	How do I configure a site with plack?	22:28
+perlmonkey2	weird question	22:30
+perlmonkey2	ah, app.psgi holds the clue.	22:31
+perlmonkey2	holy moly, the new webgui site setup is sweet.	22:35
@scrottie	w00t!	22:47
@scrottie	yeah, plackup. good old plackup.	22:47
@scrottie	I'm going to head out and do some errands and chores in a bit here then I'll probably coffee shop it later.	22:48
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+perlmonkey2	hmm, was running on the latest 7 db, with plack, then updated to the 8 db, and now the admin isn't working.	23:16
+perlmonkey2	ah, bad session	23:17
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zylopfa	Greetings, anyone know how i return an asset (which is a pdf file in this case), with the content type app/pdf, instead of getting the container asset with a link to the file	23:24
zylopfa	doing something like this:	23:25
zylopfa	adela/anders-de-la-cour-nyhedsbrev/7-skridt-til-omsaetning.pdf	23:25
zylopfa	my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl($session,"linkto/file.pdf");	23:25
zylopfa	if (defined $asset) {	23:25
zylopfa	$session->asset($asset);	23:25
zylopfa	$asset->prepareView();	23:25
zylopfa	my $output = $asset->view;	23:25
zylopfa	return $output;	23:25
zylopfa	}	23:25
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+perlmonkey2	Anyone have any good recommendations for books?	00:53
zylopfa	What topic?	00:54
+perlmonkey2	zylopfa: I read just about everything	00:56
zylopfa	Try "The Creature from Jekyll Island", awesome book but a little brick like. But don't let that scare you	00:57
+perlmonkey2	A book about the Fed?	00:58
+perlmonkey2	Not out for the kindle yet, I'll put it on my wish list.	00:59
zylopfa	I read it in 3 sittings, its very well written	00:59
+perlmonkey2	Sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but it should be a fun read.	01:01
zylopfa	yeah it is somewhat but when you read it you get your doubts	01:02
+perlmonkey2	hah, I already have my doubts. But the culprit is more often plain incompetence than conspiracy :P	01:03
zylopfa	haa yeah you might be right there	01:04
zylopfa	you always have to judge for yourself, both sides.	01:04
+perlmonkey2	anyone know of a good example of the 8 branch using the plack interface?	01:14
+perlmonkey2	wha? if ($path =~ qr{^/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz$}) {	01:17
+perlmonkey2	hahahahah http://localhost:5000/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz	01:18
+perlmonkey2	pretty cool bit of example code	01:19
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CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7a21887 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bad call to quote_identifer. Fixes bug #11766. - http://bit.ly/cylIPk	02:29
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+perlDreamer	how hackest thou, perlmonkey2?	04:45
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, well I got plack up and running and have been piddling trying to see how it works with apache.	04:45
+perlmonkey2	I know through mod_perl, etc, but trying to figure out how to configure that.	04:46
+perlDreamer	I haven't gone beyond fixing and writing API	04:46
+perlmonkey2	was just looking through tickets for something to start poking at when you yelled.	04:46
+perlDreamer	I've been working on removing Class::InsideOut, but as far as a I know, everything else is fair game	04:47
+perlmonkey2	This progressbar one looks simple enough.	04:47
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: if we're touching code, are we also moosifying it?	05:11
+perlmonkey2	Wait, is the plan for starman to replace apache?	05:18
+perlmonkey2	or at least mod_perl?	05:22
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zylopfa	Hello Webguians	14:07
@scrottie	heya zolopfa	14:39
zylopfa	scrottie, do you know how i make a Content handler to return a pdf file and not just a link to it	14:45
zylopfa	like i have track something in the content handler and then serve the pdf file directly	14:45
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::File, at the end of the source, has an example of sending a file, but I don't know if that would interact badly in the case of a content handler. I suspect it would interact badly.	15:24
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zylopfa	I think its what i am looking for! thanks a lot	15:39
@scrottie	hey, no problem. let me know how that comes out. I'm curious.	15:45
zylopfa	sweet thanks i will	15:45
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+perlmonkey2	what's the word	16:40
SDuensin	Morning.	16:40
SDuensin	Confusion. :-)	16:40
SDuensin	Been trying to get a cluster running. Seems to run. VMs won't start. No idea.	16:41
@scrottie	mm? what kind of cluster?	16:46
SDuensin	Ganeti	16:57
+perlmonkey2	with starman wg will be si much easier to deploy. hobbyist can easily use it now	17:29
zylopfa	Haa nice	17:42
zylopfa	I hope there will be a new developer book with webgui 9	17:43
zylopfa	8	17:43
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+perlDreamer	I feel like I'm in a demented version of that old Dunkin' Donuts commercial	18:22
+perlDreamer	"Time to fix the bugs"	18:22
+perlmonkey2	better than what im doing	18:27
+perlDreamer	okay, perlmonkey2, I'll bits. What are you doing?	18:29
+perlDreamer	s/bits/bite	18:29
+perlmonkey2	db2 hell.	18:30
+perlmonkey2	at a 1000% ibm shop and i want to crawl under my desk.	18:31
+perlDreamer	as long as Mrs. Monkey2 is there with you, it sounds like a good idea	18:32
+perlmonkey2	no have an office now. strict network rules so no im irc from work pc.	18:33
+perlmonkey2	i mean an office that isnt 20 feet from my wofe	18:34
+perlDreamer	i c	18:36
+perlmonkey2	yes i broke down and got a real job. dont ever do it.	18:37
+perlDreamer	Gots to pay the bills and feed the goats somehow	18:41
zylopfa	does anyone know how i can feed a file to the user, i wanna let him click a link (to a Contenthandler). that will do some logging and then serve him a pdf file	18:41
zylopfa	Its something with sending the mime type and then the streaming of the date	18:41
zylopfa	data	18:42
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, checkout Content/Asset, and search for the string "stream"	18:42
+perlDreamer	it should show you how to do that	18:42
+perlDreamer	but, you shouldn't need a custom content handler to do that	18:42
zylopfa	you are a pal!!	18:42
zylopfa	The content handler does more	18:43
+perlDreamer	okay	18:43
zylopfa	its kind og a newsletter thing	18:43
@preaction	it's a good WebGUI day!	18:44
zylopfa	Always!	18:46
zylopfa	but what particular has happend this day Sir?	18:46
@preaction	well, every day is a good WebGUI day, so today is a good WebGUI day	18:46
+perlDreamer	Good morning, preaction! You're bright and chipper today.	18:46
@preaction	better than the alternative	18:47
zylopfa	yeah true preaction	18:47
@preaction	plus, we get to prioritize the bug lists today	18:47
+perlDreamer	now, go throw down some java, eat some chow, and LOOK AT MY ACCURSED, WRETCHED dispatch branch	18:47
+perlDreamer	please :)	18:47
@preaction	and there was some other important thing i needed... right! evaluate the dispatch stuff	18:47
zylopfa	Would it be a good idea to make Content handlers configurable like Wobjects?	18:48
@preaction	er.. your webgui is forked from pdonelan's?	18:48
+perlDreamer	it was originally	18:48
@preaction	zylopfa: what do you mean? you mean like a definition sub?	18:48
@preaction	ahh	18:48
zylopfa	yeah preaction	18:48
@preaction	zylopfa: no. content handlers, the entire list is potentially run through every request	18:48
+perlDreamer	ooh, just thought of another good one for dispatch!	18:49
+perlDreamer	CSV export	18:49
@preaction	so having to look up properties from the database is very bad	18:49
zylopfa	Sweet	18:49
zylopfa	thanks preaction	18:49
zylopfa	yeah you are totally right	18:49
@preaction	zylopfa: are you trying to do the Subscription Code thing? or is that some other dude?	18:49
+perlDreamer	hmm, CSS specificity says that IDs have higher priority than classes, yes?	18:51
@preaction	yes	18:51
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.org/462113 preaction	18:52
@preaction	google "css specificity", it's a bit complex	18:52
zylopfa	I am making a kind of newsletter handler, that handles signups and confirmation email and logging of who read it and stuff like that	18:52
@preaction	zylopfa: that looks like a wizard. are you using 7.9? look at WebGUI::Wizard, it's a nice little framework for multi-step processes like this	18:53
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, it also sounds like the Newsletter Asset	18:53
zylopfa	ohh nice!	18:53
zylopfa	I dont like the Newsletter asset, cause i dont understand it	18:53
zylopfa	Its chained to the Collaboration system	18:53
zylopfa	and I dont understand the mechanics	18:53
zylopfa	how you can make a collaboration system into a newsletter	18:53
zylopfa	I think basically its posting to the subscribers when there is a new thread started	18:54
+perlDreamer	yes, that's exactly what it does	18:54
zylopfa	But I think its too complex for making	18:54
@preaction	you can e-mail in to the collab system	18:55
@preaction	the madmongers.org collab never gets posted to, it just handles mail dispatch	18:55
zylopfa	yeah preaction thats a good thing, I made a pop3 mail system using some of that	18:55
zylopfa	I should really upgrade my production WebGUIS	18:56
zylopfa	but the most that i am afraid of is ruining the Collaboration systems on the sites	18:56
zylopfa	I guess all i gotta do is read the gotchas	18:56
zylopfa	Is there a way that you just install the newest webgui and then importing the old data?	18:57
@preaction	we haven't had any huge regressions causing data loss in years, and there are currently none in the entire upgrade path from 5.8 to 7.9	18:57
zylopfa	Sick preaction , I have had some strange errors though when upgrading, something with Feed workflows making errors	18:58
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.org/462139 these errors i get all the time as it is	18:59
zylopfa	There isnt any syndicated content on the sites atm	18:59
@preaction	the "Could not instantiate object" was a bug that was fixed	19:00
zylopfa	ohh nice	19:00
zylopfa	I might fix it if i upgrade?	19:00
@preaction	what version are you running?	19:00
zylopfa	7.6.35-stable on that pastebin i posted	19:01
@preaction	yeah, i think i remember there were some latent bugs in the 7.6 series that were not fixed before 7.7 went stable	19:02
@preaction	there's a community (read: perlDreamer) released 7.6.35.2	19:02
zylopfa	haa!	19:02
zylopfa	I am very annoyed with errors in the logs, but most they come when i upgraded	19:03
zylopfa	But I will try to rid them away now	19:03
zylopfa	We have to fix pagination also	19:03
zylopfa	in all the assets using it	19:03
+perlDreamer	what's wrong with pagination?	19:04
zylopfa	if you got 2 assets that paginates on the same page, one of them shows nothing	19:04
zylopfa	if you go to page 2 on one of them	19:04
zylopfa	because the pagination variables are the same	19:04
@preaction	no, because you've left the page layout asset	19:04
@preaction	look up "asset focus" in the webgui wiki	19:05
+perlDreamer	yes	19:05
@preaction	perlDreamer: we do have an asset focus FAQ in the wiki right?	19:05
+perlDreamer	I don't know, preaction	19:05
zylopfa	I have a page where it does just that preaction	19:05
+perlDreamer	it may be mentioned in some of the articles, but I don't think we have a specific page for that	19:05
zylopfa	And i posted the error some time ago then one asset was changed but it needs to be done in all that use pagination	19:06
zylopfa	Say if you go to this site:	19:06
zylopfa	http://zyloshand.globalcontrol.biz/forum/zylos-hand-forum/general-forum?pn=2	19:06
zylopfa	then you can see the tagwall in the top right shows nothing	19:07
@preaction	ahh	19:07
zylopfa	cause it thinks its being paginated	19:07
zylopfa	when its the other asset which is	19:07
@preaction	perhaps instead for that tagwall you'd like the Chatbox asset? is designed for just that	19:07
zylopfa	yeah I thought of that also	19:07
zylopfa	But it doesn't solve the problem!!	19:08
@preaction	it's not in core webgui yet, there are some things it needs, but it works perfectly	19:08
@preaction	no, not in webgui, but it solves your problem	19:08
zylopfa	awesome i saw it on the bazaar i think	19:08
zylopfa	Should we fix it in webgui?	19:08
@preaction	i have a better solution to the problem, collab/2 with the new asset dispatch	19:08
@preaction	no more ?pn=	19:08
zylopfa	ohh nice	19:08
+perlDreamer	pagination! yeah, totally	19:08
@preaction	that's the problem: we use too much ?query= params. way too much	19:09
zylopfa	haa yeah	19:09
@preaction	zylopfa: yes, is on bazaar, but that's older version probably than the one in my github: github.com/preaction	19:09
zylopfa	Sweet thanks!	19:09
@preaction	and if you want it in the core and can do a little bit of work, we can help with what little needs to be done (i18n some and testing some other)	19:10
@preaction	perlDreamer: you're quite lacking in comments, but i'll add some	19:10
zylopfa	I can do the i18n	19:10
zylopfa	I have to learn testing, it seems very arcane to me	19:11
+perlDreamer	The code is self-documenting, and needs no comments	19:11
zylopfa	I have read the developer guide many times	19:11
@preaction	riiiiiiiiight	19:11
@preaction	perlDreamer: i'm thinking mainly for those who don't know what "func" does.	19:11
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zylopfa	Outch	19:12
+perlDreamer	zylopfa is right. If you don't know what func does, then you shouldn't be messing around with dispatch, Content/*.pm	19:13
zylopfa	haa yeah, I do know it though	19:13
@preaction	but you should be able to LEARN from the code	19:13
zylopfa	it propably gets picked up by the Asset thinkn in Contenthandlers	19:13
zylopfa	and then works on that asset	19:13
zylopfa	in the url	19:13
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer can i pm u?	19:16
+perlDreamer	anytime, dude	19:16
zylopfa	guys when upgrading should i do 1 release at a time? Or from one minor version to the next?	19:18
+perlDreamer	if by minor, you mean from 7.6 to 7.7, then yes	19:19
zylopfa	yeah	19:19
+perlDreamer	however, stop versions may require extra stopping points	19:19
+perlDreamer	check out the stop versions page in the wiki for the list of known ones	19:19
zylopfa	thanks a lot Sir	19:19
zylopfa	Backing up before upgrading is your friend ;D	19:29
@preaction	the upgrade.pl will do it for you, but you should backup /data/WebGUI as well	19:30
zylopfa	just taring everything from /data/* manually also	19:30
+perlmonkey2	will wg have a packaged config for a proxy server? if so nginx?	19:32
+perlmonkey2	in 8	19:32
zylopfa	Does captchas get cached? Just backing up and see i got like 10.000 captcha.something.gif on one of my sites	19:32
zylopfa	:O they are still running over the tar output	19:33
zylopfa	thats strange	19:33
zylopfa	they are located in public/uploads/temp	19:34
@preaction	temp is cleared out every 24h	19:34
zylopfa	thats crazy they are still running	19:34
zylopfa	isnt 10k a lot of captchas?	19:34
@preaction	one is created anew for each request	19:35
zylopfa	ok then i think its good i upgrade doesn't seem to have run it then	19:36
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: would you accept a patch that changes the default behavior of wgd ls?	19:43
+perlDreamer	I'd like wgd ls to work more like /bin/ls, where it displays the requested "file" if it isn't a directory (doesn't have children)	19:43
Haarg	maybe	19:44
Haarg	can you give me an example where that is important to do?	19:45
+perlDreamer	I want to see if an asset exists in a site	19:45
+perlDreamer	so i tried to do wgd ls root/import/default-asset-subsciption	19:45
+perlDreamer	that returned nothing, since it doesn't have children	19:45
+perlDreamer	maybe I'm going about it the wrong way?	19:45
Haarg	i have a couple thoughts	19:47
Haarg	first is that it should be setting the error code on exit if it isn't found, but it doesn't seem to be	19:48
Haarg	so that should be fixed	19:48
+perlDreamer	well, it is found	19:48
Haarg	yeah, but for something that doesn't exist	19:48
Haarg	i don't really like the idea that you proposed because it is inconsistant	19:48
Haarg	unfortunately assets can't quite be treated the same as file system entries	19:49
Haarg	is this for something you are trying to script?	19:50
+perlDreamer	I wanted to check lots of sites, to see if they have that asset or not	19:51
+perlDreamer	maybe by using wgd for-each	19:53
+perlDreamer	but that's not that useful either, since you can't tell which output comes from which site	19:54
Haarg	yes you can	19:54
Haarg	wgd for-each -p -w'ls root'	19:54
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra1b1eaf / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add the default email subscription template again, since it seems to be missing from the 7.8 sites that got upgraded. - http://bit.ly/b6tSLL	20:20
zylopfa	Now we are upgrading!!	20:35
* perlDreamer says sheepishly, "Thanks, Haarg"		20:35
zylopfa	haa ;D	20:35
zylopfa	Its good advice and help from this irc channel	20:35
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Haarg	might make sense to update the documentation to make that type of use more obvious	20:37
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+perlDreamer	I like -0 even better than -p, since I can post process with grep/ack/perl	20:39
seriftron	is there a way to access custom metadata fields for an asset via template loop? using the collaboration system in this case...i'd like to retrieve metadata values i've set on threads in the main collaboration system template.	20:40
@scrottie	lots to read this morning..	20:42
+perlDreamer	seriftron, in the thread display (main CS view template), you get all asset properties, and keywords	20:42
+perlDreamer	no metadata	20:42
+perlDreamer	a small macro would do it, but it would have to be written from scratch	20:42
@preaction	seriftron: that doesn't mean it can't be added, of course	20:43
seriftron	i guess it would be similar to the Page macro (which can access metadata values) and i could pass in the field name and assetid	20:43
@preaction	i think we should improve how metadata works. it's generally useful, especially when all you need to do is add a few extra fields to a Post or something	20:43
seriftron	right, we run into this with our clients a lot. we get most of what we need from the asset out of the box, with the exception of a few custom fields that we need to be able to access easily	20:44
+perlDreamer	that sounds more like the "userDefined fields in every asset" RFE	20:45
+perlDreamer	would that work for you, seriftron?	20:46
+perlDreamer	come to think of it, userDefined fields should be available in the CS template, now	20:46
+perlDreamer	however, they're not in the default templates	20:46
seriftron	i believe so. what is the difference between userDefined fields and metadata?	20:47
@preaction	right, but userDefined fields require a large amount of setup by a technical user. metadata is done by content managers, which are the people who need the metadata	20:47
@preaction	they're both technically metadata	20:47
+perlDreamer	before metadata, there was userDefined fields	20:47
+perlDreamer	they only exist in a few assets	20:47
+perlDreamer	metadata exists everywhere	20:47
zylopfa	Lads I was wondering something, you know Form Controls	20:48
+perlDreamer	metadata has to be enabled, and it can impact a site's performance	20:48
@preaction	and then if form fields were configurable, you could do very fun things like have a JsonTable field with defined columns, or a DataTable metadata field	20:48
@preaction	everything impacts performance :p	20:48
zylopfa	I made new ones but i have to "Hack" at the Dataform asset to be able to use it in them	20:48
@preaction	but i'm just trying to talk to some people about why we're losing to Drupal, and I suspect Metadata and Taxonomy are two big reasons	20:48
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, there's an RFE to switch the DataForm to use DynamicField instead of hardcoding the usable fields	20:49
+perlDreamer	Taxonomy?	20:49
zylopfa	ahh nice	20:49
seriftron	it sounds like userDefined fields would be appropriate. can someone explain how to set those up? i haven't found much on the subject in the wiki	20:50
+perlDreamer	seriftron, for the CS, it's just template variables	20:50
+perlDreamer	you'd add them to the appropriate template, Post Edit form, Thread view, CS view, etc.	20:50
+perlDreamer	they're documented in the online help	20:50
seriftron	thanks, i'll take a look	20:52
+perlDreamer	preaction: re performance, when Metadata is enabled, every page hit incurs an extra write, since it's tracking which assets' metadata is the most popular	20:54
+perlDreamer	so, it's a little bigger than userDefined fields :)	20:55
@preaction	that could be enabled/disabled. that particular tracking thing	20:59
+perlDreamer	definitely	21:02
zylopfa	YESS!! Just upgraded to the latest webgui and errors seems to have vanished	21:08
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zylopfa	do you guys know if the fine survey wobject needs new browsers when creating new surveys?	21:23
+perlDreamer	new browsers?	21:27
zylopfa	when i use it here it only says "Loading..."	21:28
zylopfa	when i get into editing the survey itself	21:28
zylopfa	I could try it on the test site i guess to see if its my webgui install	21:28
+perlDreamer	check the webgui log for errors, and set the logging level to something like INFO, or DEBUG for a little while	21:30
+perlDreamer	Survey is still beta	21:30
zylopfa	Damn nothing on my site, only info , no errors. Works on the webgui demo site	21:31
zylopfa	I am using the same version as the demo site on webgui.org	21:32
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zylopfa	Looks totaly awesome the new survey thing, but cant work other than on the demo site :(	21:35
@scrottie	dammit, I go all week without checking email and that's the week that everyone decides to email me urgent questions.	21:35
@scrottie	I thought skype was quiet.	21:35
zylopfa	haa damn it scrottie	21:36
@scrottie	three communications channels is one too many.	21:36
@preaction	i've got them all trained to do e-mail rather than skype. skype requires me to derail and drop everything	21:36
zylopfa	yeah its no good when you code	21:36
@scrottie	that's true but I didn't have them trained and this change caught me by surprise.	21:37
@preaction	especially when it's "how do i use 'patch' again?"	21:37
zylopfa	like this: man patch	21:37
+perlDreamer	patch -q1 < some.patch; #crap; call preaction on skype	21:39
zylopfa	anyone know if the Survey wobject is different on the webgui demo site than the 7.8.24 stable?	21:40
+perlDreamer	they should be the same	21:40
zylopfa	I am unable to get to func=editSurvey mode	21:40
zylopfa	it just stands in the loading screen	21:40
zylopfa	no errors in the log even with debug level logging	21:40
+perlDreamer	restarted the server after changing the log level?	21:41
@scrottie	WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm ... WebGUI8... is it just me or is the templateId default actually specified as ''? if so, this makes me wonder if this is perhaps _not_ supposed to blow up on templates it can't find? if not, does anyone have a suggestion for which template should be used, or, alternatively, a heuristic for deciding which template should be plugged into there?	21:41
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, look for all templates with the namespace ZipArchive	21:42
zylopfa	yeah its default to ''	21:42
+perlDreamer	set the default to that	21:43
zylopfa	you propablt should create a new template with namespace ZipArchiveAsset	21:43
+perlDreamer	yeah, what zylopfa said	21:43
zylopfa	mostly the wobjects come with default templates though but this one has none it seems	21:44
zylopfa	controls,error,fileUrl,fileIcon,pageError,noInitialPage,noFileSpecified is the template variables you can use	21:45
@scrottie	I'm going to take it that it should blow up when no or an invalid template is specified.	21:45
zylopfa	yeah it will	21:45
+perlDreamer	scrottie, blowing up would be bad	21:45
+perlDreamer	it won't do that in 7.x	21:45
zylopfa	"couldn't initialize template" or so	21:45
zylopfa	in the error log	21:45
@scrottie	well, it raises an exception.	21:45
+perlDreamer	then that exception needs to be trapped and handled	21:45
@scrottie	okay. I think I shall do that after I try to fix what I can of these dangling template references. this is good for debugging.	21:46
zylopfa	yeah it doesnt seem to test for the templateId if its defined	21:46
+perlDreamer	scrottie, what I recommend is: file a bug for the missing default against 7.x	21:46
@scrottie	zylopfa, I saw some code in there for that but it isn't entirely working.	21:46
+perlDreamer	and then in 8, fix the lack of exception handling in the Form plugin	21:46
* scrottie nods slowly. and drools.		21:47
* perlDreamer passes scrottie a hankie		21:47
zylopfa	In the prepareView sub, it just assign the templateid, but not checking if its set	21:47
+perlDreamer	that's another bug	21:48
+perlDreamer	it should throw a TemplateNotFound exception	21:48
zylopfa	scrottie, what version are you using of webgui?	21:48
+perlDreamer	8	21:48
zylopfa	I dont see anything there at all that test for the templateId is defined	21:48
zylopfa	The Asset.pm will propablt write an error in the logfile	21:49
+perlDreamer	ZipArchive is a pretty rare asset	21:49
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@scrottie	"newById must get an assetId" ... /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1774 ... is how it blows up for me when a template doesn't exist. at the very least, that isn't particularly descriptive ;)	21:51
zylopfa	I tried to put a ZypArchive on the testsite	21:52
zylopfa	without changing anything	21:52
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Error::InvalidParam->throw(error => 'newById must get an assetId');	21:53
zylopfa	Seems just to take "Default Zip Archive" template	21:53
zylopfa	Dont know if Asset.pm just finds the first template in the namespace and assigns it	21:54
@scrottie	thanks for the suggestions and comments.	21:54
zylopfa	if none is selected	21:54
@scrottie	doesn't seem to. reading through the codepath, I didn't see anything about template namespaces. time to go rtfm =)	21:54
zylopfa	In the code its set to ''	21:54
zylopfa	scrottie,	21:56
zylopfa	In Asset.pm in line 2349	21:57
@scrottie	huh?	21:58
@scrottie	what sets what to?	21:58
zylopfa	Naa nothing there	21:59
zylopfa	must be done in the asset edit form	21:59
zylopfa	scrottie, i figured it out	22:25
zylopfa	Webgui/Form/Template	22:25
zylopfa	.pm	22:25
zylopfa	Line 172, the formfield for 'template' gets all templates for the namespace and populate the selectbox	22:26
zylopfa	when you save a ZipArchive, that has not got a default template you just get the first template in the namespace defined in teh ziparchives definition	22:27
zylopfa	HOWEVER! If there weren't any templates in the import branch or anywhere else from the start, you would get unhandled errors	22:28
@scrottie	what's happening in this case is a little more primitive. a test suite creates an instance of every sort of object (or some approximation thereof), performs a simple edit on it, and renders the result.	22:33
@scrottie	no user interaction required, and no speculation needed about possible codepaths.	22:34
zylopfa	ahh ok scrottie, the reason it works is cause of the Template.pm form field though	22:34
@preaction	works or fails, whichever	22:35
@scrottie	I know what's going wrong... the question is just how this case should be handled (don't blow up on lack of template, how to decide which template to stick in there if one goes in there)	22:35
@preaction	the form field shouldn't blow up on lack of template, it should just pick the first one (so, no value at all)	22:35
zylopfa	you can do like: my $templateList = WebGUI::Asset::Template->getList( $session, $self->get( 'namespace' ), $onlyCommitted );	22:36
zylopfa	you got the namespace from the Asset	22:36
@scrottie	preaction, wait, during www_view, if there's no template, it should pick one out, on the spot?	22:36
zylopfa	and from the list created there use the first template	22:36
@preaction	lack of template can happen multiple times, one of which is "template got deleted but is still referenced by assets". this is usually a huge problem that we try to protect against, but it should not prevent the user from changing the template in the asset (otherwise can't fix the problem)	22:36
@preaction	ohhh	22:36
@preaction	that	22:36
zylopfa	if there isnt defined a defalut for the asset	22:36
@preaction	no, during www_view if there's no template it should throw the appropriate WebGUI::Error::ObjectNotFound::Template or whathaveyou	22:37
zylopfa	yeah	22:37
@scrottie	ahh. alright.	22:37
zylopfa	the reason it works from the web is cause of the selectbox created by Template.pm in the /webgui/forms	22:37
zylopfa	it takes the first template in the namespace and assigns that to the new assets templateid	22:38
@scrottie	preaction, yeah, a while ago in scroll I noted that ZipArchive's property for templateId had a default of '' and wondered if, given that, blowing up on lack of template was the right thing to do (eg, in the case of creating a ZipArchive from scratch in a test suite and then rendering it)	22:38
@scrottie	zylopfa, I'm not doing any of that right now. I probably should be. but I'm not.	22:39
@preaction	ziparchive doesn't have a template, and shouldn't have a templateId afaik... ziparchive works... weirdly...	22:39
zylopfa	Just saying why it in practice work even though its not defined	22:39
zylopfa	no no preaction it DOES have a template	22:39
@scrottie	zylopfa, ahh, got ya now. but it looks like the plot thickens even more.	22:39
@scrottie	I see a template in the template table for that namespace...	22:40
@preaction	ah... hmm...	22:40
zylopfa	the edit form for ZipArchive creates the "template id" selectbox	22:40
@scrottie	hrm. hmm, hmm, hmm.	22:40
@preaction	but a ziparchive is just an entry point to a tree of real html files on the file system	22:40
zylopfa	from all templates in the namespace of the asset	22:40
@preaction	also, perlDreamer, Haarg, any reason to NOT get rid of ZipArchive?	22:40
@scrottie	I don't have specs, tests, or working code, and somehow from that I have to infer working tests and code =P but I have very helpful compatriots.	22:40
@scrottie	s/tests/working tests/	22:41
+perlDreamer	preaction, what do we replace it with?	22:41
@preaction	Nothing. Nothing at all.	22:41
@scrottie	I don't remember if it's the case with this one, but a lot of these are blowing up when something else includes them in the layout	22:41
+perlDreamer	doesn't seem like we should get rid of it without providing a way for users to do the same thing, some other way	22:41
zylopfa	scrottie, treat it as an error, would be if a template wasnt in the import node	22:41
zylopfa	with the assets namespace	22:42
+perlDreamer	does the WebGUI Site project have any data about usage for that Asset	22:42
+perlDreamer	?	22:42
zylopfa	What does it do btw?	22:42
@preaction	i don't know	22:42
@preaction	you upload a .zip file, and it extracts it into an uploads folder and shows the root index.html as the www_view page	22:43
@scrottie	okay. I might need to research this one a bit more. I didn't do the other stuff that I said I was going to do so I should do that other stuff first. whee!	22:44
zylopfa	ahh ok preaction	22:44
* perlDreamer does not love the ZipArchive, but will hold to his position of being old, stodgy, and resistant to change for the sake of balance		22:45
@preaction	ooh, asset dispatch could improve the ziparchive's functionality hugely!	22:45
@preaction	we could make it USEFUL!	22:45
+perlDreamer	no	22:45
+perlDreamer	just less ugly	22:45
@scrottie	heh. maybe I should open a ticket and let it go for now then.	22:45
@preaction	entire sections of your site, with real URLs, created and maintained with external programs!	22:45
+perlDreamer	but if we get rid of it, we have to provide a way to not break peoples sites	22:45
@preaction	scrottie: it's just an idea, we at least need it to work as it does presently	22:46
@scrottie	of course... not going to leave a test failing... but as an alternative to figuring the what, why and how of templates in the thing I could plug in the one template for it and make the test pass.	22:47
+perlDreamer	it should have a default templateId	22:47
@scrottie	just a thought.	22:47
@preaction	that would be the correct fix, yes	22:47
+perlDreamer	every template should have a default	22:47
zylopfa	scrottie, just put the default template in	22:48
zylopfa	ZipArchiveTMPL00000001	22:48
zylopfa	and then the bug is off	22:49
@scrottie	yeah, yeah, yeah.	22:50
zylopfa	its a bug in the asset it should be corrected	22:50
* scrottie sighs		22:50
zylopfa	:O	22:50
@scrottie	zylopfa, did I mention that I'm working on tests and fixing the bugs that I find? telling me to fix the bug when I'm asking about the best way to fix the bug is slightly redundant.	22:50
zylopfa	I mean if i made an asset for the bazaar with that error it would not work cause its not in the main distro	22:50
zylopfa	ohh sorry	22:51
zylopfa	thought you was making a test suite	22:51
zylopfa	I can fix it for you	22:51
@scrottie	working on a test suite and fixing bugs as I go.	22:51
@scrottie	no problem. I'm grateful for your help. but you don't have to tell me to fix bugs. that's what I'm doing ;)	22:51
zylopfa	templateId=>{	22:52
zylopfa	tab=>"display",	22:52
zylopfa	label=>$i18n->get('template label'),	22:52
zylopfa	namespace=>"ZipArchiveAsset",	22:52
zylopfa	fieldType=>'template',	22:52
zylopfa	defaultValue=>'ZipArchiveTMPL00000001'	22:52
zylopfa	},	22:52
zylopfa	wasnt ment to be rude	22:52
@scrottie	zylopfa, I started asking about the general case on this one... "should this barf in general?"... because I've stumbled on a number of these. I've fixed them exactly like that. but it's made me wonder if maybe the thing wasn't supposed to be raising an exception on them.	22:53
+perlDreamer	whenever you try to instanciate an asset, it should throw an exception	22:53
+perlDreamer	every time	22:54
+perlDreamer	it's up to WebGUI to handle the exceptions correctly	22:54
* scrottie nods at perlDreamer.		22:54
zylopfa	propably like perlDreamer says	22:55
@scrottie	yup. preaction agrees. now I'm trying to bring zylopfa up on the situation to figure out if he really wants to fix all of my bugs for me given that I'm conscripted to fix bugs =)	22:55
zylopfa	haa ofc!	22:55
@scrottie	I could hop a flight to Santa Monica and hit the beach =)	23:00
zylopfa	sounds good	23:00
+perlDreamer	scrottie, fixing bugs is like doing pushups	23:01
+perlDreamer	it's good exercise	23:01
@preaction	and nobody likes doing it	23:06
@scrottie	except zylopfa, and why deprive him of the pleasure?	23:07
zylopfa	was just trying to help :(	23:08
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, never trust a smiling person from Arizona	23:08
@scrottie	oh, I'm just playing with ya.	23:09
zylopfa	haa <3	23:09
@scrottie	cheer up.	23:09
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@scrottie	w00t.	23:50
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CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9fafa25 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm): Give ZipArchives a default template. Fixes bug #11769. - http://bit.ly/bA1rBL	01:27
@scrottie	...	01:29
@scrottie	okay, that commit conflicts.	01:29
+perlDreamer	it's only 22 characters	01:37
+perlDreamer	well, okay, 23	01:37
@scrottie	still, what would possess you to do the very same thing you know I'm doing?	01:39
@scrottie	apart from arguing with a friend about the merits of reimplementing IPC over top of IPC. but maybe you were doing that too.	01:39
+perlDreamer	you posted a bug	01:40
+perlDreamer	I fix bugs	01:40
+perlDreamer	you didn't say you were going to fix it	01:41
@scrottie	I think I said as much in a long conversation with zylopfa.	01:41
zylopfa	damn i am updating my production server with new webgui but i get errors in testEnvirnoment	01:42
zylopfa	rgw stupid mysql wont link	01:42
zylopfa	the	01:42
zylopfa	/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /data/wre/prereqs/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a when searching for -lmysqlclient	01:42
zylopfa	I dont understand how it can go wrong	01:42
@scrottie	I'm nervous about scripting git. I have a hard getting it right manually. I'd like to have it post the bug and close it immediately with the commit hash from git... but this whole rebasing thing is freaking me out.	01:43
@scrottie	it keeps telling me that it's rebasing changes when I pull but I can't for the life of me figure out whether it really is or not.	01:43
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@scrottie	I think I need to turn that off and do it manually. as it is, sometimes stuff I don't want to send up that I've forgotten about goes up because it automagically got rebased. I'm used to darcs.	01:44
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@scrottie	anyway, if I'm careful about committing after opening a ticket and you beat me to the punch, I'm going to press ahead more aggressively on automating this then I'm going to commit all sorts of garbage I don't want to.	01:45
+perlDreamer	just put a note in the ticket that you're going to work on it	01:45
+perlDreamer	or assign it to yourself	01:46
+perlDreamer	and we won't step on toes again	01:46
@scrottie	alright, alright.	01:46
+perlDreamer	I'm sorry for making you do a conflicted merge	01:46
@scrottie	it's okay. sorry I'm cranky.	01:46
+perlmonkey2	aaaahhh, that was sweet.	01:46
@scrottie	I need to get away from the computer.	01:46
+perlDreamer	I hear British Columbia is nice this time of the year.	01:47
+perlDreamer	You can stop by Portland on the way through, and I'll buy you a beer	01:48
@scrottie	ha, I am so taking you up on that.	01:49
@scrottie	I've got a friend in Portland and the girl's parents are in Seattle.	01:49
+perlmonkey2	The thing I've never understood about big company jobs is that they'd prefer to pay you to sit and do nothing rather than break procedure. I feel like the contractors who were paid to take paper from one desk and place it on another desk.	01:50
zylopfa	Fuck i have problems. are there known problems with installing webgui wre 32 bit on a 64 bit system?	01:52
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, um, yes.	01:52
+perlmonkey2	zylopfa: what problems. I used to run it on a 64 bit system no problem./	01:53
+perlmonkey2	scrottie it's like you're getting paid so you feel like you should be working. But the trouble ticket you sent out to get access to the servers that have the code you need to work on isn't getting answered. The cute girl at the help desk is fulling willing to flirt, but in no way will jump your ticket to someone who can help.	01:54
zylopfa	I am getting wierd errors, it says DBD::mysql isnt installed when running testEnvirnoment.pl	01:54
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, setenvironment.sh?	01:54
zylopfa	then it will install it from cpan and then it quirks	01:54
+perlmonkey2	So you just sit and look at the same thousand lines of code you were looking at 4 hours ago and think how boring your life has become, but at least you're getting paid a silly amount to do nothing, which only helps a tiny bit.	01:54
zylopfa	yesh sorry sh	01:54
+perlmonkey2	wow, I feel better. That was cathartic :P	01:55
zylopfa	yeah i ran that perlDreamer	01:55
+perlDreamer	keep flirting with the help desk chick, perlmonkey2, and Mrs. Monkey2 will fix the boredom problem	01:55
zylopfa	It builds the module from the right mysql uincludes in the wre dir	01:55
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, whether you have a wife and kids limits your options here, but in cases like that, I tend to make my job interesting.	01:55
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, she wouldn't, but her 3 large brothers would :P	01:55
@preaction	at her behest, of course	01:56
@scrottie	okay, that was not what I meant to say.	01:56
zylopfa	But it quirks in compiling it at:	01:56
zylopfa	<scrottie> it keeps telling me that it's rebasing changes when I pull but I can't for the life of me figure out whether it really is or not.	01:56
+perlmonkey2	preaction: actually it would be a race to see if my family got to me before her's did.	01:56
zylopfa	wops didnt mean to put scrottie there	01:56
+perlmonkey2	scrottie hahah, just read that.	01:56
+perlmonkey2	wait, doesn't the wre include dbd::mysql?	01:57
@scrottie	having wife+kids at home restricts you from doing a lot more than flirting, including restricting you from ruffling political feathers.	01:57
zylopfa	Guess I gotta put wre from the testserver onto the production server by copying then	01:57
+perlmonkey2	scrottie I'm probably about to jump ship for an equally boring but hire paying job. Too bad I screwed up with pb, didn't know how good I had it and all I had to put up with was JT :P	01:58
+perlmonkey2	higher	01:58
@preaction	to be honest, JT is a lot to put up with even on the best of days...	01:59
@preaction	and also to be honest, i'm in charge of WebGUI now ;)	01:59
+perlmonkey2	preaction: really?	02:00
+perlmonkey2	preaction: you're the main cheese on managing wG?	02:01
@preaction	yep. i'm pumpking/project manager/what-have-you	02:01
@scrottie	I sometimes get the feeling that my desk is situated on top of a lot of graves.	02:01
@preaction	scrottie: aren't all desks?	02:01
@scrottie	hmm =-)	02:02
+perlmonkey2	preaction: that is awesome. congratulations. boss of a major open source project, I think you're one of the big guys now.	02:02
+perlmonkey2	hah	02:02
+perlmonkey2	scrottie++	02:02
@preaction	we will be once i turn WebGUI back into a major open source project	02:02
+perlmonkey2	That's why we wear that noose around our necks while at the desks.	02:02
@preaction	the Monarch has his hands in many sinister soups	02:02
+perlDreamer	great, now we have to go through the whole obeisance and prostration thing again	02:03
+perlmonkey2	heh, cool, any hints on what he's up to? And besides 8, what are you doing to make wg a bigger foss project?	02:03
@preaction	i'm planning nothing more than the complete, total, and utter destruction of our major enemy, Drupal	02:04
@scrottie	1. Plack-ification 2. Small, understandable core 3. CPAN 4. Slashdot/reddit/digg whoring 5. endless Internet pissing matches. I can taste the future!	02:04
+perlmonkey2	oh, Doug's the Monarch? Do we call you "Your Majesty" or just "Your Dudeness"?	02:04
+perlmonkey2	hahaha, death to Drupal.	02:04
@scrottie	oh, 2.5. good documentation.	02:04
@preaction	but before we destroy, we must first understand. there's a real reason people are using it besides "they're idiots and php programmers are a dime a dozen"	02:05
zylopfa	Isnt Drupal dead already?	02:05
@scrottie	I wrote Acme::RPC in response to a friend's description of one aspect of Drupal.	02:05
+perlmonkey2	preaction: because it is easy to set up, scales decently, and only gets you hacked once a month.	02:05
+perlDreamer	it's dirt simple to install PHP on cheap hosting, and PHP programmers are a dime a dozen?	02:05
zylopfa	yeah	02:06
+perlmonkey2	but 8 was retardly (my special needs research cousin will kick my arse for using that word) simple to set up.	02:06
@preaction	'dirt simple to install PHP on cheap hosting' <- that's not a factor in whitehouse.gov's decision	02:06
zylopfa	haa true	02:06
@preaction	that's the biggest bullshit excuse we've been using to not look at drupal's real strengths	02:07
+perlmonkey2	preaction: don't you have the market cornered on large foss customers?	02:07
@preaction	'webgui cannot be installed on $5 hosters'	02:07
+perlmonkey2	foss using customers, I mean.	02:07
@preaction	whitehouse.gov is using drupal, and contributing back drupal modules even	02:07
zylopfa	:O'	02:08
@scrottie	warm fuzzies. WebGUI holds them back. it's a small club of people who dig in enough to understand how the thing works. people who do tend to say, "huh, I did something like this a long time ago but didn't run with it". that's a warm fuzzy that good docs could offer. there's the warm fuzzies of shopping for and installing the parts you want... this the fuzzies that cpanm and apt give you.	02:08
@scrottie	warm fuzzy of firing it up under cpanel or the like, on your cheap-o provider, at the push of a button. people like programs that start from the beginning in not giving them grief.	02:09
@scrottie	people shouldn't wind up like me with a %&@#-list of annoyances and gotchas.	02:09
+perlmonkey2	I for one am in love with never dealing with apreaq2 again.	02:09
@scrottie	need to back away from corner cases and really nail the first user experience.	02:10
+perlmonkey2	preaction: well, why is whitehouse.gov using drupal?	02:10
+perlmonkey2	wait, the government is using a POS php cms?	02:10
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+perlDreamer	yup	02:10
elnino_	hellO!	02:11
+perlmonkey2	with probably 500 zillion zero day exploits just waiting to be foudn?	02:11
elnino_	are there tags/tag clouds on collaboration systems in 7.8?	02:11
zylopfa	Greetings elnino_	02:11
+perlDreamer	elnino, only thing with clouds is the wiki	02:11
@scrottie	DEFCON was not kind to Drupal.	02:11
elnino_	hello zylopfa	02:11
+perlDreamer	and the Story Manager	02:11
elnino_	ok. thanks. perlDreamer. I was just hoping. =)	02:12
+perlDreamer	elnino_, it's a very small macro to add that	02:12
+perlDreamer	or core change, either way	02:12
elnino_	macro?	02:12
* elnino_ all ears		02:12
@preaction	perlmonkey2: yes, there was a huge brouhaha over Drupal being chosen	02:12
+perlDreamer	yeah, it could be done with a small macro	02:12
+perlDreamer	it would take the assetId of the CS, and generate a cloud for it	02:13
* perlDreamer has to go fry some pork for dinner, bbl		02:13
@preaction	scrottie: agreed, the first WebGUI experience used to be a big blue screen with horrible looking stuff and a walkthrough wizard to create a horrible looking site. we've removed that, but we've got a ways to go yet	02:13
zylopfa	Well imo fuck the default design, if people wanna make some serious shit they make their own templates	02:14
@preaction	elnino_: don't limit the macro to collaboration and it could be put into core. take how the wiki generates the cloud and just dump it into a macro	02:14
@preaction	zylopfa: but we should convince people that WebGUI is pretty by giving them something pretty to look at. not everyone is a designer. wordpress lets you just go to it by unzipping some files and choosing a theme from a dropdown	02:15
@preaction	the new site starter shows you a half-dozen styles and lets you pick	02:15
@preaction	i wanted a dozen, but it seems that nobody was onboard	02:15
zylopfa	yeah preaction perhaps, but the most important is a well thought of system, templates is just templated in the end of the day	02:16
elnino_	you guys came up with a name for plugins.. like asset attribute, or asset something...that could be written for any asset/wobject. am I making sense?	02:16
elnino_	what was that term?	02:16
@preaction	elnino_: AssetAspect?	02:16
elnino_	yes!	02:16
+perlmonkey2	preaction: for what its worth those half dozen are very nice looking.	02:17
@preaction	it would be better as a macro, i believe. then any content manager can add a tag cloud of any part of their website into any part of their website	02:17
elnino_	that's basically what you're looking for, right? I think that was a buzz word before 7.8 came out. did that "technology" come to fruition?	02:17
@preaction	perlmonkey2: i scoured the bazaar for the only few i could find acceptable and modern. i found three. the other three are the normal three default styles that have shipped with 7.x since 6.99	02:17
@preaction	yes, it's in the core	02:18
@preaction	WebGUI 8 has moved to Roles, but the concept is the same. a bit of functionality you can include in your asset with a line or two	02:19
zylopfa	I am going to build the wre from source then, then maybe the mysql::dbd will not link to the wrong lib	02:37
@preaction	bonne chance	02:37
@scrottie	hmm. it looks like if you pass a form with fields missing, those fields get ''. it doesn't distinguish between a field not having been passed and the field passed with a zero length value. but there's logic in there to. it could.	02:41
@scrottie	as long as WebGUI is making all of its own forms, it doesn't matter. if people make their own, this would clobber values.	02:41
elnino_	preaction, Im thinking out loud here. so Im thinking the macro would dispay the cloud with admin tured off, and when admin is turned on, it would allow the user to enter tags for the asset's container the macro is contained in?	02:42
elnino_	im thinking the macro would be put into the post's template, so the user can enter the tags.	02:42
elnino_	and may another macro be used to dispplay the tag	02:42
elnino_	s/tag/cloud	02:43
@scrottie	the test stuff is jumping through a hoop right now to pick out the current values of fields and pumping those into $session->request->setup_body(), but this leaves me feeling less than satisfied. thoughts?	02:43
@preaction	elnino_: no. tags are generated from the asset's "keywords". the keywords just exist, they are added when editing an asset. the Post asset has keywords. tags and keywords are semantically equal in WebGUI's parlance	02:43
elnino_	ah. I though it was a different field/table. I didn't look. that would be much easier the way you have it. =)	02:44
@preaction	scrottie: you shouldn't have to test all the properties in the base Asset test class, just that a few changes to properties work, especially anything special-cased. any more and you're testing deeper than just the Asset stuff	02:44
@scrottie	right. it's not my intention to test everything.	02:45
@preaction	elnino_: it is a different field/table, but it's already in every asset that exists (it's a hacky job of it, but it works)	02:45
@scrottie	I'm just thinking the current design is a bit fragile and I'm tempted to make it less fragile.	02:45
elnino_	perfect.	02:45
@scrottie	simply, if a field isn't included in an HTML form, when that form submits, it shouldn't clobber that field. it should leave it as-is.	02:45
@preaction	scrottie: i was thinking just mainly title, menu title, url. and yes there are some changes to the www_editSave sub that will be added (no more assetId="new" stuff, that'll be handled by a new www_addSave method)	02:46
@preaction	ah	02:46
@preaction	the rub there is how do we know it wasn't actually included? buttons are only included when they're clicked. checkboxes are only included when they're checked. radio buttons the same	02:46
@preaction	html forms are kinda funny that way	02:46
@scrottie	hrm.	02:47
@preaction	there's a WebGUI::Form::Control->isInForm or something that tries to detect that	02:47
@preaction	but some simply assume they're in always	02:47
@scrottie	WebGUI::Session::Form::hasParam is what I noticed but I didn't test it or look at it carefully to decide if it really was what I thought it was.	02:47
@scrottie	okay, that gets messier. trying to do that heuristic dependent on field type also doesn't feel very clean.	02:48
* scrottie makes a note and puts it aside for now.		02:48
@preaction	ah, yeah, looks like isInRequest passes to hasParam by default	02:48
@preaction	but WebGUI::Form::CheckList has to override isInRequest to look for a hidden value	02:49
@preaction	so yes, perhaps it should check isInRequest before it does anything (it, i assume, is processEditForm?)	02:49
@scrottie	mmmm... yes.	02:50
@scrottie	isInRequest as implemented doesn't seem to short-circuit to a true in the cases where the control element is a checkbox...	02:54
@scrottie	so that would need to change or be augmented.	02:54
@preaction	i think it can't, because of the way the CheckList is made	02:55
@preaction	but for now if we just check the API call, it's up to the API to DTRT	02:55
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r13e7d4c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : Fix: WebGUI::Asset::File::ZipArchive specifies a default template of '' - http://bit.ly/ac402J	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rb7cb774 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm :	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Avoid warnings about odd numbers of form elements. session->form->process	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: will return () when called in list context so force scalar context and it	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: nicely gives us an undef. - http://bit.ly/brKpie	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rc1a9184 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : Force scalar context to avoid getting () back and the associated odd number of elements in hash warnings. - http://bit.ly/9iKuHb	03:31
+perlDreamer	scrottie, those last set of commits don't seem to have tests	03:36
+perlDreamer	do they make currently failing tests pass?	03:36
@scrottie	perlDreamer, yeah, sorry. the tests are based on the stuff in t/tests/Test/WebGUI but I haven't pushed them up yet.	03:37
@scrottie	the warnings fixes just cut down on spam. other things I've been committing fix tests in there.	03:37
@scrottie	the tests are co-evolving with the code. that's terribly un-ideal, I realize, and one of the side effects of that is I haven't committed the changes to the test suite yet.	03:38
@scrottie	I did push up a peek of the current state of it into a gist the other day.	03:38
@scrottie	every time something blows up, I have to figure out if I'm doing the tests wrong or the code is wrong.	03:38
+perlDreamer	well, starting wednesday I'll be doing the merge of 7.9.11 into WebGUI 8	03:39
+perlDreamer	that's nigh-on-impossible to do with failing tests that pass, then fail, than pass, etc.	03:39
@scrottie	srand(42).	03:39
@scrottie	hrm.	03:39
@scrottie	I don't know how long until these tests are all passing.	03:40
@scrottie	it's... um... it does a permutation... each test against subclass... so I guess I could estimate. but the n of n tests output is missing.	03:41
@scrottie	also, it's having the O(N**2) problem... the more tests I fix, the longer it takes to run to the point something else blows up.	03:42
@scrottie	I'm open to suggestions for how to handle this.	03:43
@scrottie	all I can think right now is to push up a current state of the tests on tuesday and then I can just refrain from pushing anything for a while until you're happy with the merge.	03:44
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elnino_	peraction. OK!! I have myself a tagcloud macro!	03:49
elnino_	except, when I click on it, it doesn't bring me to a search result.	03:49
elnino_	and I kinda whated to display the keywords each hyperlinked IN the post. so you can do a search on related posts.	03:51
elnino_	not quite sure how I can do. Probably another macro. =)	03:51
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elnino_	preaction - I misspelled your name above. =(	03:55
elnino_	kinda like peraction.	03:55
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elnino_	I'm thinking the collaboration system's search has to be modified to accept the url parameter of "keyword"	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rd57d9ff / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm :	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: Don't blow up on view when there are no WebGUI::Asset::WikiPage	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: child objects under us to feature. Also, the only reason that -1	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: on the rand works is because Perl is nice. - http://bit.ly/bbT6Br	04:02
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elnino_	or, really, every asset needs to have something simiar to wikiMaster's www_byKeyword func. the CS's search doesn't handle "keywords" I tried entering my keyword in the CS's search and it couldn't find the post by the keyword. But that's been a bug - it was on webgui.org's site too, and maybe I'm running somethign too old.	04:20
@scrottie	do you have a URL or number for that bug?	04:22
@preaction	elnino_: now i remember why it was supposed to be a TagCloud asset, it needed to be able to show the results of a single keyword	04:28
+perlmonkey2	preaction: in the progressbar ticket what do you mean that in AssetHelpers there are examples of plack streaming? I don't see any examples.	04:33
elnino_	scrottie - its an old bug from 7.6 era that I believe has been fixed	04:33
@preaction	perlmonkey2: WebGUI::AssetHelper::CopyBranch, it's something like $session->response->stream( sub { ... } );	04:40
@preaction	then that huge subref contains the WebGUI::ProgressBar->run command (which takes another subref)	04:41
+perlmonkey2	ah, found it. Thanks	04:41
+perlmonkey2	That makes more sense after looking at the plack docs.	04:42
* scrottie & # bbl		04:48
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb5ef9fc / lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm : Add POD for the new sortOrder option to Keyword's getMatchingAssets - http://bit.ly/cOTU8A	04:58
+perlDreamer	Should have caught that earlier	04:58
+perlDreamer	preaction, maybe a TagCloud AssetAspect?	05:00
+perlDreamer	just refactor out what's in WikiMaster, and maybe StoryArchive and then make something reusable out of it?	05:00
@preaction	sure, but then a TagCloud asset to span across an entire site would be nice too	05:00
+perlDreamer	that would be a very skinny Asset :)	05:01
@preaction	yeah, but so's datatable or article (well, article is pretty bloated really, but you get the idea)	05:02
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+perlDreamer	a TagCloud asset shouldn't need to be much more than sub def {5-10 lines of i18n, icon and table}, and use Class::C3; use base qw/WebGUI::AssetAspect::TagCloud WebGUI::Asset::Wobject/; 1;	05:26
+perlDreamer	that's what I meant by skinny, hardly any code to it at all	05:27
@preaction	it'd need a view method	05:27
@preaction	right, all DataTable does is pass off it's real functionality to WebGUI::Form::DataTable	05:27
@preaction	Article... well...	05:28
+perlDreamer	yeah, Article could use a rewrite	05:28
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8917d4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that keywords are always returned in alphabetical order in the WikiMaster byKeyword view. - http://bit.ly/dr1I9v	05:28
+perlDreamer	I think I'm going to wrap it up for tonight, so let me tell you where I'm at	05:32
+perlDreamer	The spectre PID bug, I'd like to use Proc::ProcessTable for checking the process table.	05:32
+perlDreamer	It absolutely does not work on Windows though	05:32
+perlDreamer	I've tried to work around the Account formatting bug, and got nowhere.	05:33
+perlDreamer	Trex's .wgaccess bug should be an easy fix, the corresponding upgrade sub to fix any current bad wgaccess files will make the upgrade run quite slowly	05:33
@preaction	i'll be available tomorrow to fix bugs before the release	05:34
+perlDreamer	first thing tomorrow, I'm going to work on the shunt upgrade	05:34
+perlDreamer	'night	05:34
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SquOnk	Greetings	16:36
SquOnk	preaction: You mentioned that 7.9 does not have SWF files, right?	16:37
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SquOnk	Suggestions on 576912?	16:49
SquOnk	Oops. Wrong window	16:51
SDuensin	Morning.	16:56
+perlmonkey2	how goes 8 dec?	17:00
+perlmonkey2	dev	17:00
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zylopfa	Anyone here know how to build the wresource on a 64 bit rh fedora system? keeps getting build error when building DBD-mysql-4.010	18:46
zylopfa	pretty annoying :(	18:47
zylopfa	and cant use the 32 bit build wre cause then sytem says the DBI isnt installed and want it installed	18:47
@preaction	you need to check out the latest WRE from github, there are problems with the 0.9.3 building on 64-bit	18:47
zylopfa	then it fails building it	18:47
zylopfa	You think it will work preaction ?	18:47
@preaction	er... it should build its own DBI no matter what	18:48
zylopfa	and how will i get to github?	18:48
zylopfa	It wont tried on 2 different 64 bit machines	18:48
@preaction	http://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild	18:48
zylopfa	but if there is a new experimental	18:48
zylopfa	thanks a lot Sir	18:48
@preaction	it still won't build as 64-bit, last i knew, but it might work as 32-bit	18:48
@preaction	as long as you have all the proper 32-bit compatibility libraries	18:48
zylopfa	yeah i cant build on 32 in my 64 bit environ it fucked up last time	18:49
zylopfa	yeah priopably dont have the 32 bit ones	18:49
zylopfa	I dont know hwy it wont buildon 64 bit	18:50
zylopfa	I mean all the libries it needs is in the wre	18:50
@preaction	the trouble i've run into with the current head is OpenSSL refusing to build on 64bit, and thus every lib that relies on it refusing to build	18:51
zylopfa	yeah i got that on the other server i tried to build on	18:52
zylopfa	If i wanna upgrade webgui on my production server i have to reload the os to 32 bit	18:53
@preaction	just the WRE. webgui runs fine	18:53
zylopfa	yeah webfgui is fine	18:54
zylopfa	its architecture neutral	18:54
zylopfa	Can you even install a 32 bit os on a dual core 64 bit system?	18:55
@preaction	yes	18:58
zylopfa	I will do that then, and await the 64bit wre	18:59
zylopfa	cant afford production site to be so low in the release	18:59
zylopfa	Its pretty painless to restore the site	18:59
zylopfa	so i just make the latest wre for it	18:59
zylopfa	and install it	18:59
zylopfa	and do webgui incremental upgrades	19:00
zylopfa	My 32 bit test system i upgraded with 0 sweat	19:00
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+perlDreamer	morning, everybody!	19:08
+perlDreamer	Today is a great WebGUI day	19:08
@preaction	it is indeed a great WebGUI day!	19:08
+perlDreamer	have y'all fixed all the bugs for me already?	19:10
@preaction	nope!	19:10
+perlDreamer	I love how you guys aren't greedy and share	19:10
ckotil	is it possible to hide the 'With Selected: MOVE TO -> PURGE' text within the approve/deny versoin tag? its confusing some of my users, and rather than train them to ignore (or use it to their benefit) i think it would be easier to hide it.	19:12
+perlDreamer	ckotil, that screen isn't templated	19:12
+perlDreamer	so you'd have to change WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm	19:12
ckotil	ok	19:14
zylopfa	greetings fine perlDreamer	19:15
+perlDreamer	howdy, zylopfa	19:16
+perlDreamer	how are things back east?	19:16
zylopfa	I am having problems building wre 64 bit	19:16
zylopfa	need my production server up to speed	19:16
zylopfa	but it seems i have to downgrade it to 32bit os instead untill the 64 bit can be build	19:16
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, have you checked the forums and wiki for help on this?	19:16
zylopfa	Yeah	19:17
+perlDreamer	no help?	19:17
zylopfa	Some had some tips like .build.sh --ia64 but i did that	19:17
ckotil	zylopfa: i think i ran into a ismiliar problem and ended up building the OS as 32bit	19:17
zylopfa	yeah some had the same problem but not stated how it was done exactly	19:17
zylopfa	haa ckotil thats my aproach now	19:17
zylopfa	I am backing up the home directories and the etc and mail config files now	19:17
zylopfa	then i install the new os this night	19:18
ckotil	i dont remmeber what exactly prevented me from building the wre on a 64bit OS	19:18
ckotil	this was almost 2 yrs ago now	19:18
zylopfa	I got problems building the mod_dbd module for mysql	19:19
ckotil	heh. 2 yrs and 2 days ago actually	19:19
zylopfa	ohh :O	19:19
zylopfa	you have a good memory	19:19
+perlDreamer	mod_dbd?	19:19
ckotil	been thinking about rebuilding the wre lately. but was gonna wait for the next wre release	19:19
zylopfa	yeah the databasemodule for mod perl	19:19
zylopfa	for mysql	19:19
@preaction	ckotil: what are they finding confusing? the fact that it exists? i'd rather make it more clear than remove it. they never want to delete things from version tags? or move things to other version tags?	19:20
@preaction	otherwise i could set a UI Level of 6 or 7 on that	19:20
+perlDreamer	preaction, the individual controls in the screen aren't UI'd	19:20
@preaction	perlDreamer: but they could be, quite easily	19:20
+perlDreamer	oh yeah, just saying that they aren't currently	19:20
ckotil	preaction: 'it's esoteric' accoridng to some of my users	19:21
zylopfa	now i backed up the /etc, /home /root and the /data directories should be fine then	19:21
ckotil	engineer types, they wanna know what every last detail is/does	19:21
@preaction	ckotil: okay, so if it's esoteric, then they know what it is/does	19:22
ckotil	yeah, im just used to it i guess. fresh eyes must see the approve/deny page differently	19:23
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer my phone says u aaid something to me. but i dont seee anything	19:25
+perlDreamer	it must have been last night, perlmonkey2	19:28
+perlDreamer	you can check the IRC logs at mentalhouse.net	19:28
@preaction	damnit. we do not have the manpower to keep putting in little CSS and HTML problems into WebGUI... anyone up for contributing an automated HTML/CSS validator that will crawl a WebGUI demo site?	19:33
zylopfa	I can make something in perl to do it	19:33
+perlmonkey2	glueing wget ti validators shiuld take just a few minutes.	19:35
zylopfa	yeah or using lwp	19:35
+perlmonkey2	.	19:36
+perlmonkey2	does lwp do multiple requests?	19:36
@preaction	it will also have to be able to log in as admin	19:36
@preaction	WWW::Mechanize would do it	19:36
zylopfa	ahh yeah then you need a service script or what its called in webgui	19:37
@preaction	log in as admin because the problems i'm finding right now are in the Account stuff, so you need a valid user	19:37
+perlDreamer	utility script	19:37
zylopfa	yeah	19:37
+perlDreamer	preaction, for that bug, I downloaded a copy of the site with the issue	19:38
@preaction	it's the greenportal style, it has way-too-specific selectors for the white text	19:38
+perlmonkey2	migut as well tjrow in jslint ro the valodatoe	19:39
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, you either need a bigger keyboard, or smaller thumbs ;)	19:39
+perlmonkey2	my autocorrect is broke	19:39
@preaction	sounds good to me	19:39
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@preaction	yay! bugs++	19:44
+perlDreamer	just merged dispatch, testing	19:48
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r89c1afd / (3 files in 2 dirs): fix 11758: formatting on account stuff is wrong - http://bit.ly/cj4lqM	19:52
@preaction	bugs--! yay!	19:53
@preaction	now i'll fix the one i added	19:53
@preaction	<3 that WebGUI::Account modules can't be introspected...	19:56
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+perlDreamer	preaction, that was fixed in 8	19:57
+perlDreamer	well, partially	19:58
@preaction	really? the editSettingsForm has been rewritten to use WebGUI::FormBuilder and return a WebGUI::FormBuilder::Fieldset?	19:58
@preaction	even that would be a horrible way to introspect to find what the setting for the style template is	19:58
+perlDreamer	no, not that much, but it's using Moose, so FormBuilder would just be a step away	20:01
+perlDreamer	wait a sec	20:04
+perlDreamer	can't you just build an object and ask it?	20:04
+perlDreamer	it's a valid method	20:04
+perlDreamer	and it talks to the db	20:04
+perlDreamer	and it inherits from Account.pm, so the method name shouldn't vary	20:05
@preaction	look at what editSettingsForm and editSettingsFormSave do: one gives you HTML, one processes direct from the session->form	20:06
@preaction	so sure, i could parse the HTML and guess which fields are template fields (i know what the style templates are so that's not too bad), then use that name try to save the form and see what setting gets saved	20:07
@preaction	that sounds like worse than any code i've ever written ever	20:07
+perlDreamer	but you don't have to parse the form	20:07
+perlDreamer	each plugin has a method to provide that information	20:08
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+perlDreamer	getLayoutTemplateId	20:08
@preaction	but that gets me the actual ID. how do i know what it's saved to in the settings table?	20:08
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+perlDreamer	I see	20:09
+perlDreamer	there's no corresponding "set" method for that	20:09
@preaction	i need to SET the style template ID	20:09
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CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r994f0aa / (3 files in 2 dirs):	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: fix 11770 Starter needs to set all account plugins	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: Refactored HomePage wizard to have a method to update	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: all places where the style template needs to be updated - http://bit.ly/ctE7ds	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6130165 / (2 files): Move StoryTopic upgrade sub for storySortOrder into the present release, instead of the previous one. (+28 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/d6DH8i	20:34
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e95468 / t/Content/SiteIndex.t : Update this test for the new default content. Fix a duplicated test description. - http://bit.ly/96tnpc	20:38
+perlDreamer	one more test to fix...	20:41
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r711f8d6 / t/Keyword.t : Update Keyword test for new default content. - http://bit.ly/c17rWp	20:41
@preaction	curses! right as i push!	20:42
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r0ed496a / (2 files in 2 dirs):	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: fix 11771 Default newsletter template not set	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: Pro tip: Never do what I just did. Ever. 8 removes the need for it. - http://bit.ly/cN9x9q	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * ra751c3a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : fix edit screen name for collab subclasses - http://bit.ly/ctqphU	20:43
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+perlDreamer	preaction, I challenge thee, so a commit snickersnee!	20:49
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+perlmonkey2	why root an n1?	21:42
+perlmonkey2	wrong chan?	21:43
SDuensin	hehehe	22:06
SDuensin	The question is, why NOT?	22:06
@preaction	that's never a good question.	22:06
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r731ae38 / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): add webgui to strftime conversion sub - http://bit.ly/9bg4io	22:06
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r625da8b / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11432 DataTable date input - http://bit.ly/cMTzWs	22:06
* SDuensin has root on an Incredible.		22:06
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@preaction	that's it. perlDreamer anything you see on the bug list that we need to fix? looks to me like we got them all	22:08
@preaction	oh	22:08
@preaction	wait	22:08
@preaction	kristi's new bug	22:08
@preaction	CURSE YOU BOPBOP!	22:08
@scrottie	ick.	22:12
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CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * rabd2e09 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): fix 11772 Metadata in post doesn't set default - http://bit.ly/azvuAd	22:29
@preaction	6 bugs down today	22:30
elnino_	when you roll back, you lose the changes right? or do they go back into penidng?	22:30
+perlDreamer	they are gone	22:30
+perlDreamer	history	22:30
elnino_	darn	22:30
@preaction	we need to remove the GreenPortal style, or come up with a special "dark" CSS file to use, or fix it so it's not so damned specific	22:30
+perlDreamer	still in a database backup	22:30
elnino_	I wanted to see the site before I changed it.	22:30
elnino_	and get a screen shot.	22:31
+perlDreamer	oh, hm	22:31
+perlDreamer	I think you can view old asset versions	22:31
+perlDreamer	one page at a time	22:31
elnino_	no. I tried.	22:31
elnino_	oh. I see.	22:31
elnino_	I was in the version manager. I'll try your idea.	22:31
+perlDreamer	preaction, even if we remove GreenPortal, that one site will still be problematic	22:31
@preaction	i don't know what that one site is, and i'm not referring to it	22:32
@preaction	this is the DataTable asset now, it has a white background, but the greenportal style puts a heavy emphasis on white text. more emphasis than YUI does on needing black text	22:32
+perlDreamer	ah	22:33
+perlDreamer	elnino_, there should be a "view" button next to the assets in the version tag	22:34
+perlDreamer	just click it	22:34
+perlDreamer	it will work only for that first click	22:34
elnino_	yep.. thanks!	22:34
+perlDreamer	all subsequent clicks on navs, links, etc, will lose the special ?revisionDate=\d+ query param	22:34
elnino_	darn. doest work, because i didn't modify the page, I was only modifiygin the template files. =p oh.well.	22:38
elnino_	I tried copying ?func=view;revision=128145778 and reapplying but that didn't work either.	22:38
+perlDreamer	bummer	22:38
+perlDreamer	how about taking a dump, making a site on the side, and rolling back there?	22:39
* perlDreamer is off for an errand, back in 60-90		22:39
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CIA-60	webgui: Numerous corrections to tests.	00:15
CIA-60	webgui: Currently, "Looks like you failed 62 tests of 3882".	00:15
CIA-60	webgui: Many transient, non-deterministic failures lurk and specific asset types need special cases added in test subclasses. - http://bit.ly/bnFxwA	00:15
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+perlmonkey2	r all the proposed updates to form:: doje for 8?	00:20
+perlmonkey2	done	00:20
@preaction	perlmonkey2: they are all in WebGUI::FormBuilder, but there are a couple non-critical methods that need to be done i think	00:23
@preaction	all the changes to WebGUI::Form::Controls are done though	00:23
+perlmonkey2	nice, maybe when i finish progressbar i can wrap up corma	00:26
+perlmonkey2	forms too	00:26
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, you probably have nightmare time typing passwords	00:34
+perlmonkey2	i use the voice to text feature. easier to say up up down down left roght left right aba	00:36
+perlmonkey2	cant even type it	00:37
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+perlDreamer	anyone have a good, simple bash programming reference online?	00:42
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@preaction	http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html <- that's the one i always use	00:44
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+perlDreamer	mmm, yes	00:50
+perlDreamer	now we can make variables	00:50
+perlDreamer	this is good	00:50
+perlDreamer	also the -v switch to ls is very good	00:50
+perlDreamer	preaction: http://gist.github.com/518097	00:59
@preaction	nice	01:00
+perlDreamer	./merger.sh 7.9	01:00
+perlDreamer	builds the whole merged upgrade packge	01:00
@tavisto	preaction, for the template picker in the setup screen, are you just going to have the small thumbnail screenshot? Or when people move their mouse over the image will it show a larger version as well? (Im doing screenshots right now)	01:02
@preaction	it's doing what it's doing now, so probably just the little one for now	01:02
@tavisto	sounds good	01:02
@preaction	i wanted input, i wanted more, but nobody bothered and now it's 58 minutes until the feature freeze...	01:02
@preaction	and i've still got bugs to fix!	01:02
@tavisto	yep well I was too busy playing solitaire	01:03
@scrottie	make more noise.