| --- Log opened Wed Sep 01 00:00:24 2010 |
| elnino | how do you setup the amount a vendor gets in the payout? | 00:01 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r83f0cb7 / t/Storage.t : diag -> note (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bM7LV4 | 00:06 |
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| elnino | how do I add a new release to my bazzar item? I'll I see when I edit it, is "this release" and it has the first versions information prefilled. | 00:11 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r91fcedd / www/extras/admin/admin.js : all admin plugins have the same response options - http://bit.ly/bgzamc | 00:11 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2f949cf / share/upgrades/7.9.12-8.0.0/admin_console.wgpkg : admin console style should not define a title - http://bit.ly/cXldNh | 00:11 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r945d78c / (www/extras/admin/admin.css www/extras/admin/admin.js): add openTab function for admin plugins - http://bit.ly/9h9aun | 00:11 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra18463a / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : add helpers in the config file - http://bit.ly/cnmPNm | 00:11 |
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| elnino | I get it. | 00:31 |
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| elnino | still don't know how to setup vendor payout though. | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | you have to create a new workflow i think. uses the Vendor Payout activity and configured with your paypal information | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | iirc right now we only support vendor payouts via paypal | 00:45 |
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| SynQ | good | 01:46 |
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| SynQ | all the cardboard work is done :) | 01:46 |
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| SynQ | now all I have to do is clean out the attic for the painters to have free room tomorrow :P | 01:47 |
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| SynQ | and it's only a quarter to one | 01:47 |
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| SynQ | can someone bring me back two BigIron 4000's from the states? | 01:49 |
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| SynQ | in their handluggage? | 01:49 |
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| SynQ | oh four is ok too :P | 01:50 |
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| SynQ | they are only 4U high each so it should fit | 01:50 |
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| SynQ | http://tiny.cc/jkwbt | 01:51 |
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| SynQ | that one is only 100 usd | 01:51 |
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| SynQ | WA must be close to WI ;) | 01:51 |
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| SynQ | good | 02:37 |
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| SynQ | time 4 bed | 02:38 |
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| SynQ | nite | 02:38 |
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| elnino | preaction, so it does it automatically? cool. | 03:40 |
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| elnino | I was just looking to do a report of some sort. | 03:41 |
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| elnino | hm I don't see an activity. | 03:42 |
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| elnino | good morning! people who do templates - have you run into htc files? What are they and why do they break everything? | 16:22 |
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| patspam | haaaaaack | 17:19 |
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| elnino | good morning patspam.. are you referring to my question? or something you're doing. =) | 17:20 |
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| patspam | morning elnino! | 17:20 |
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| patspam | that was WUC hackathon parlance for "goodmorning" | 17:20 |
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| elnino | are you in the us? | 17:20 |
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| patspam | yeah! | 17:20 |
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| elnino | oh. Is that now? | 17:20 |
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| patspam | yep yep, you still have time to get here :) | 17:20 |
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| elnino | oh. I wanted to. I have two children now... someone has to watch them... | 17:21 |
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| patspam | I supposed that's a valid excuse :) | 17:21 |
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| elnino | I was kinda wondering why it was so quite here.... Say hi to everyone that I know/knows me. =) and ask perlDreamer, if he ever got that flash file thing to work on that one site. | 17:22 |
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| elnino | s/quite/quiet | 17:24 |
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| @preaction | elnino: htc files are hacky ways for IE to add scripted behaviors to CSS | 17:25 |
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| patspam | long answer from colin: apparently no he didn't get it working | 17:27 |
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| @preaction | 1 RFEs have been closed in the last 24 hrs <- BAM! | 17:33 |
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| elnino | preaction - they are nothing but TROUBLE. I converted a design, and it would not work untill I got rid of the reference to htc file. I do not like them sam I am. | 17:52 |
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| @preaction | yeah, unfortunately sometimes they're the only way to get IE to listen to something. though, personally, if you have to hack the design like that, the design should change | 17:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | ... or IE should change :) | 17:55 |
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| @preaction | mountain vs. raindrop. we're winning, but egads how long this battle | 17:56 |
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| elnino | funny 404 error message. it made me laugh "We've got the guys with pocket protectors working to upgrade your web experience as we speak. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please try back later. Or, feel free to check out some of our most popular pages." | 18:03 |
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| * perlDreamer puts "pocket protector" on his shopping list | 18:10 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r7a526b6 / www/extras/shop/cart.js : should actually fix the bug when we note it in the changelog - http://bit.ly/chdRi4 | 18:19 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver master * re8dfffe / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt www/extras/shop/cart.js): should actually fix the bug when we note it in the changelog - http://bit.ly/aDjm4n | 18:22 |
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| scrottie0 | good morning... | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, scrottie0 | 18:28 |
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| scrottie0 | where is the hack-a-thon and is there coffee? | 18:28 |
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| scrottie0 | sorry I'm late. I had to blow dry my computer. | 18:28 |
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| scrottie0 | the harddrive is still being blowdried. | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | the hackathon is where the conference will be tomorrow | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there is coffee | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and pastries | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and muffins | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and soda | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and water | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and bits | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and electrons | 18:29 |
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| scrottie0 | I'll ask at the front desk for the conference area. | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's either the 2nd floor, or the mezzanine level | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | first floor above the lobby | 18:32 |
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| scrottie0 | ah. okay. | 18:32 |
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| SynQ | is bart awake yet? | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | Bart who? | 18:37 |
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| patspam | SynQ: we drank some spotted cows for you last night | 18:48 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8d7466 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a link in the Admin Console to the Addons section of webgui.org - http://bit.ly/auU2GN | 19:00 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd826721 / (26 files in 2 dirs): move upgrade scripts for new version - http://bit.ly/cj2LGC | 19:21 |
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| patspam | preaction: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10659 | 19:29 |
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| elnino | patspam - excellent! | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, preaction, sample introspection code is Group.pm, resetGroupFields | 19:30 |
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| patspam | it's all coming back to me *shudder* | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can't believe I'm going to say this | 19:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's probably best to copy and paste that method to change it for templates | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | for two reasons | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | we don't have a top level class to hold the definition introspection stuff | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | and all the rest is hard-coded | 19:31 |
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| @preaction | it's very close, but not exactly what templates need, and they will diverge as time goes on. no use trying to make it overly complicated for code reuse's sake | 19:32 |
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| elnino | is there a way to regenerate an images thumbnail? I need to resize them all in a gallery | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, sounds like a utility script | 19:54 |
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| elnino | k | 19:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I'd look in sbin to see if there's something in there | 19:55 |
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| elnino | I see marketplace was renamed. Kinda freaked me out not seeing "marketplace" but I like the new menu better. | 19:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | there's also a new Admin Console icon to take you there | 19:58 |
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| elnino | ah. that's what that cia-21 thing was. | 19:58 |
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| elnino | excellent idea. | 19:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, CIA-21 shows git commits to the WebGUI repo | 19:59 |
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| elnino | yep. I just didn't know what "plug-ins" was until now. =) | 19:59 |
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| elnino | s/plug-ins/addons | 19:59 |
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| elnino | looky there, thumbnailer.pl | 20:02 |
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| elnino | ack. wiki changed! | 20:08 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | did the dbms change in 8 or still with mysql? | 20:12 |
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| patspam | so far mysql | 20:14 |
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| elnino | I don't get the new wiki. =( | 20:14 |
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| patspam | still trying to get doug drunk enough that I can convince him to switch to postgres | 20:15 |
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| patspam | SynQ: just got WebGUI running under Mongrel2 | 20:15 |
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| patspam | but only via a proxy so far, which is kinda cheating | 20:15 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | too bad 8 cant be dbms agnostic. | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, this channel is logged | 20:16 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * r5723af9 / (etc/WebGUI.conf.original lib/WebGUI/Content/FacebookAuth.pm): updated facebook auth to work with new facebook change/brokeness - http://bit.ly/c5adkj | 20:17 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: JT Smith WebGUI8 * r83c2629 / (49 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'WebGUI8' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/buhrAx | 20:17 |
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| scrottie0 | postgres++ | 20:19 |
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| @frodwith | scrottie0++ # ++ing postgres | 20:19 |
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| CIA-21 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r99619c8 / (lib/WGDev.pm lib/WGDev/Command.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Base.pm): update version to 0.8.0 (+8 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9XcHZv | 20:43 |
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| scrottie0 | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/gim.png | 21:18 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5765739 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Labels in the Cart for addresses are optional. They take the first line of the address if left blank. Tested w and w/o JS. - http://bit.ly/9uz9hE | 22:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's awfully quiet out there | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | echo! | 22:32 |
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| * scrottie0 nods at perlDreamer | 22:34 |
| +BartJol | I do have some music | 22:35 |
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| scrottie0 | oh noes, not again! | 22:35 |
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| elnino | helloooooo! | 22:38 |
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| +BartJol | what, did I put on music before in your presence scrottie0? | 22:40 |
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| scrottie0 | oh noes was re: the pub. | 22:41 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rc89da43 / (5 files in 3 dirs): variable downgrading - http://bit.ly/bZGYJf | 22:44 |
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| * SynQ goes wow for patspam | 22:46 |
| @frodwith | hmm! http://blogs.perl.org/users/leon_timmermans/2010/08/yet-another-readonly-module.html | 22:56 |
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| @frodwith | I know we don't end up using Readonly a lot, but this looks nice. | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | what's the debian policy on .swf files? they're compiled bytecode. we don't have the mxml, as, or fla file it came from (referring to ukplayer) | 23:03 |
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| Haarg | that new readonly module looks cool | 23:03 |
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| Haarg | Readonly.pm always seemed pointless to me | 23:03 |
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| Haarg | too many problems but very little advantage to using it | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592593 <- prior art. docuwiki had the fla even, but fla cannot be built with free software | 23:04 |
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| scrottie0 | no strict 'subs'; no strict refs; use strict subs; | 23:07 |
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| scrottie0 | my $fn = __FILE__; my @string = eval `grep $fn -e '^use WebGUI' -e '^use Plack' | sed -e 's!use !"!' -e 's!;!",!'`; # earlier today... | 23:10 |
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| * SynQ knows that a webgui site is going to be used in China very soon | 23:12 |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:12 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * ra95ef16 / (345 files in 55 dirs): remove use of FindBin in tests - http://bit.ly/cSDfw0 | 23:12 |
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| SynQ | http://www.winket.nl | 23:12 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * red3ac1c / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : update upgrade docs - http://bit.ly/dg7KP9 | 23:12 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rc59fc0f / (lib/WebGUI/Account.pm lib/WebGUI/BestPractices.pm): add WebGUI::BestPractices - http://bit.ly/bVSGid | 23:12 |
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| SynQ | currently in Dutch only | 23:12 |
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| SynQ | can someone tap on BartJol's shoulder perhaps and point him to his irc window? :) | 23:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol is afk right now, SynQ. | 23:14 |
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| SynQ | what time is it now? | 23:14 |
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| SynQ | 15:15? | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | 15:15 CDT, yes | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | ah, he's back | 23:15 |
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| SynQ | ah good :) | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | run for the hills, BartJol | 23:16 |
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| +BartJol | too late :) | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | does anyone know why we build our own "Ask About Using Rich Editor" and don't use TinyMCE's built-in one? | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | TinyMCE's is broken | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | how so? | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | didn't do as advertised? was it a bug in tinymce? was it fixed? | 23:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | IIRC, doesn't work correctly in some browser | 23:51 |
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| * perlDreamer recommends checking the revision logs and git blame | 23:51 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7d6089d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change the addon URL on webgui.org - http://bit.ly/abaxjv | 00:22 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r55e6284 / sbin/classLoadTest.pl : add classLoadTest.pl - http://bit.ly/aP1Oc2 | 06:23 |
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| elnino | anyone heard of this? http://www.uniformserver.com/ | 06:31 |
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| elnino_ | anyone seen this before: http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebGUI/analyses/latest | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning everyone | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | welcome to the live IRC-cast of the WUC 2010 opening plenary | 16:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | the session won't begin for about 10 minutes, so you have time to get some coffee | 16:52 |
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| @preaction | IT BEGINS! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA | 17:02 |
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| scrottie0 | good morning, perlDreamer. | 17:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're up early, scrottie0 | 17:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | The winner of the Contributor of the Year award goes to Patrick Donelan! | 17:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | congrats, patspam | 17:05 |
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| @preaction | WOOOOOOO | 17:05 |
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| scrottie0 | perlDreamer, now and then I get up at 4:30am to go do crazy adventure stuff. | 17:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | Contributor of the Year award goes to United Knowledge | 17:05 |
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| scrottie0 | w00t | 17:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8... | 17:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | The big goal is performance | 17:07 |
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| scrottie0 | elnino_, re: http://www.ohloh.net/p/WebGUI/analyses/latest, neato! | 17:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI 8 is 700% faster than WebGUI 7 | 17:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | some of the improvements were backported in 7.8 and 7.9 | 17:08 |
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| @preaction | Frank is 4%! Frank is 4%! | 17:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | the lion's share of 8's improvements comes from Plack/Starman | 17:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | after that, it's Moose, new UI (kudos preaction!) better caching and faster groups | 17:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | "the new UI is so fast that it feels like a native desktop application" | 17:11 |
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| scrottie0 | Starman is the new default webserver. | 17:11 |
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| scrottie0 | No exceptions! I mean, more exceptions! | 17:16 |
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| scrottie0 | ugh. nothing is completely tested. | 17:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | the new Admin Console UI is beautiful | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | it optimizes space | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | and is AJAXified, so it runs really fast | 17:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | your current version tag is at the top of the screen, along with controls for publishing (committing) or leaving the tag | 17:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | the Admin Bar (which is now integrated into the Console fully) is also AJAXy | 17:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | the new Debug console rocks | 17:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is run through Plack Middleware | 17:26 |
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| @frodwith | everyone++. I haven't been keeping up with webgui 8 development, you all have added some ridiculously cool things. | 17:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | we can't wait for you to come and play with 8, frodwith | 17:31 |
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| @preaction | Haarg++ patspam++ vanguard of WebGUI 8 development! | 17:31 |
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| patspam | plus perlDreamer++ and preaction++! | 17:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | webgui 8 will simplify content approval | 17:32 |
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| @frodwith | hopefully by this time next year, we can get all our users upgraded to 8 so we can take advantage of all this awesomeness ^_- | 17:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | it has a simplified grammar | 17:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | commit = publish | 17:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | instead of having screens for different asset tag states (committed, pending), it's all unified into a color coded display | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is sortable | 17:34 |
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| @preaction | frodwith: we will likely spend all of next year making documentation and utilities to make it as easy as possible to migrate custom stuff to 8 | 17:34 |
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| @preaction | 8 is far more extensible, less copy/paste, fewer hacks, etc... | 17:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | you can view and edit the pending content (or older content) right from the content manager screen | 17:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | content approval is also inlined into the edit screen, if you have permissions to publish content | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | and if a template isn't automatically upgraded, it means we screwed up and have a bug to fix | 17:37 |
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| scrottie0 | perlDreamer, what the heck is tavis on about? | 17:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | not sure what you mean, scrottie0 | 17:38 |
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| scrottie0 | _AND_ _UPDATE_. | 17:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 17:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavis is on about 3 feet behind you | 17:42 |
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| @preaction | it's still our burden as well. actually i'll probably start spending a few hours a week updating the things | 17:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | all of the WebGUI books are being converted to a wiki | 17:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | and being released to the community | 17:43 |
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| scrottie0 | Pluggable admin panes inherit from WebGUI::Admin::Plugin. | 18:04 |
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| scrottie0 | It's bug free and it can do pretty much anything. | 18:06 |
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| scrottie0 | * Some quotes might be out of context. | 18:06 |
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| scrottie0 | Admin items let you write small apps without having to create a full asset, define database tables, etc. | 18:10 |
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| scrottie0 | Doug went a little bit crazy. | 18:20 |
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| Haarg | went? | 18:20 |
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| +BartJol | too obvious Haarg | 18:21 |
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| scrottie0 | "I went a little bit crazy." - Doug. | 18:21 |
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| scrottie0 | we are watching WebGUI8 copy the import node to the clipboard. | 18:22 |
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| scrottie0 | we are watching a copy operation. | 18:22 |
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| scrottie0 | it has a progress bar. | 18:22 |
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| scrottie0 | Joeri doesn't like Javascript or Objective C. Hateful hater and his hatey hate. | 19:04 |
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| @preaction | ObjC is hateful | 19:05 |
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| @preaction | JS not as much, it's the "we have 30 implementations that don't talk to each other" hatefulness | 19:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: ning is interested in international content and stuff. She could use a talk from the expert if you have time. | 19:23 |
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| +BartJol | sure | 19:23 |
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| +BartJol | but that was last year | 19:24 |
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| +BartJol | I do have the presentation with me though | 19:24 |
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| @preaction | we need internationalized assets. soon. | 19:24 |
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| +BartJol | that would be great | 19:25 |
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| +BartJol | I only know the german thingy implementation | 19:25 |
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| @preaction | i've had ideas of how we could do it for a looong time, but it's very disruptive to how assets work | 19:25 |
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| +BartJol | so WG 9? | 19:25 |
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| +BartJol | or earlier? | 19:25 |
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| @preaction | not API-breakingly disruptive, but custom code would need updates to use it properly | 19:25 |
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| @preaction | so it's possible during the 8.x cycle, but 8.x development is going to be fairly different from 7.x development (and it's not something i've been able to fully flesh out in my head) | 19:26 |
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| +BartJol | what is the general idea? | 19:26 |
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| +BartJol | in 1 line? | 19:26 |
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| @preaction | certain asset properties are marked "translatable", then an interface to add translations for all translatable content | 19:27 |
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| @preaction | then a method to get the translations right before the vars are passed to the template | 19:27 |
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| @preaction | so not so horrible, but potentially evil | 19:27 |
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| +BartJol | could it be dependant on the "language" scrach variable? | 19:28 |
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| +BartJol | not sure you want that actually | 19:28 |
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| +BartJol | that would also constantly update the WebGUI interface language | 19:28 |
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| @preaction | the "Default" being shown perhaps, but there'd be a way to see the other translations by links on the page (added a loop to the template to show which translations are there) | 19:29 |
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| @preaction | right, which is different. martin (german martin) has suggested them be different, and i've agreed (or maybe you suggested it) | 19:29 |
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| +BartJol | but there must be a session property that remember what language has your preference | 19:29 |
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| @preaction | of course | 19:29 |
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| +BartJol | it is martien btw | 19:30 |
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| @preaction | ah, thought i was spelling it wrong | 19:30 |
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| @preaction | but yes | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | but I agree | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | whoohoo, we agree | 19:30 |
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| @preaction | i want i18n content, but the solutions proposed have been marginal. adding more problems | 19:30 |
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| +BartJol | is there a forum thread on those proposed solutions? | 19:31 |
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| @preaction | no. i haven't revealed these ideas yet. that's part of my plan to reveal these ideas to a blog or the dev forum as time goes on | 19:32 |
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| +BartJol | or are you referring to my LanguagePageSwitch macro? | 19:32 |
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| @preaction | so that if someone wants, they can implement it themselves, or at least offer suggestions | 19:32 |
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| +BartJol | which is hardly userfriendly | 19:32 |
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| @preaction | no, martien's content macro, macros have problems with arbitrary content inside them (can break the macro, and then the site) | 19:33 |
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| +BartJol | ah, that one | 19:33 |
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| +BartJol | would it possible to have i18n'd urls with your solution? | 19:34 |
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| +BartJol | or maybe even necessary | 19:34 |
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| @preaction | yes. i18n urls are possible, but only one url to one asset so far. we want to be able to just say, in the asset properties, all the possible URLs for that asset, but that may or may not go in soon | 19:35 |
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| @preaction | that's a database schema break, so i may consider it an API break | 19:35 |
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| @preaction | so it'd have to be done before January or not at all | 19:35 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, no not necessary, that would be bad, some things you don't want to translate | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | but shortcuts are still possible | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | true | 19:36 |
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| +BartJol | but there also should be an option to switch webgui and content language at the same time. It mightg be confusing to users that they need to click twice | 19:38 |
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| +BartJol | prolly that would need 2 contenthandlers at the same time, which is a problem | 19:38 |
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| +BartJol | depending on how the content language is switched | 19:39 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, apparently i'm writing the translation server from scratch as a plack app. we'll see how that goes. | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | okey-doke | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll see about getting you some SVN data for a trial git conversion | 19:42 |
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| +BartJol | "apparently" :) | 19:42 |
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| Haarg | i got the svn repo from doug | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | see y'all at lunch | 19:47 |
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| @preaction | Talk idea: You got your WordPress/MediaWiki/Something in my WebGUI! | 19:58 |
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| @preaction | slug ID is a good idea for i18n content too. no breaking inside asset, just a new asset with some sort of relationship between the entire series | 20:00 |
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| +BartJol | yeah | 20:00 |
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| @preaction | so they are completely separate assets, but they're related by an ID | 20:00 |
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| @preaction | that would probably be a LOT easier to put in | 20:01 |
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| +BartJol | that is better than my lineage dependancy | 20:01 |
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| +BartJol | whic breaks easily | 20:01 |
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| @preaction | switching would be weird though. if they're assets they show up on the page / in the CS / in the Calendar. which one shows up? add something to getLineage would work, but piling onto that is starting to be problematic | 20:04 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rcacaabe / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : listen to skipBackup upgrade option - http://bit.ly/bV0x2i | 21:48 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rd7ff3ea / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : silence all upgrade output with quiet option - http://bit.ly/cRikAp | 21:48 |
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| scrottie0 | Yay Continuity! | 21:50 |
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| patspam | SynQ: you missed a ute photo in my talk | 22:28 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf65ae74 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Format the subtotal variable in the Payment driver to 2 decimal places. Fixes bug #11813 - http://bit.ly/8XAnhg | 22:53 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd565f2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Format the subtotal variable in the Payment driver to 2 decimal places. Fixes bug #11813 - http://bit.ly/bmCRNF | 22:53 |
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| scrottie0 | usually it's google analytics holding stuff up. thanks, google. | 23:13 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r02099f0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix HTML table generation for Active Sessions. Fixes bug #11832 - http://bit.ly/9ne9fo | 23:16 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r055b72d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix HTML table generation for Active Sessions. Fixes bug #11832 - http://bit.ly/dcZGcX | 23:17 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1f2fbeb / lib/WebGUI/Account/Shop.pm : Remove debug code. - http://bit.ly/99zGUG | 23:26 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re61b997 / lib/WebGUI/Upgrade.pm : fix thing i broke - http://bit.ly/9aWOEQ | 23:27 |
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| patspam | Haarg: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/c59fc0f361ffe096faa0717cecfd820f3061e6e8 | 00:03 |
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| patspam | (github notes) | 00:03 |
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| patspam | kinda clunky to push notes around though (git push origin refs/notes/commits) | 00:04 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb1adfd2 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm): Fix missing Attachment label in the Template. - http://bit.ly/dcJMos | 00:08 |
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| elnino | hello! having fun yet? | 05:26 |
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| elnino_ | goo morning! | 16:10 |
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| elnino_ | having fun yet??? what version is recommed to have ffor a full blown/vender payout store? - the version I have is half implemented. =( | 16:11 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: most definitely the latest 7.9.x version, but still you have to configure the vendor payouts with your paypal id, and we only support paypal payouts unfortunately | 16:50 |
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| ckotil | how about the survey asset? | 16:53 |
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| ckotil | it's a bit wonky in 7.8.20 | 16:53 |
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| ckotil | tho still in beta as of 7.8.20 | 16:54 |
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| elnino_ | preaction - thanks. has the template improved yet in 7.9? | 16:54 |
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| elnino_ | s/template/templates in the shop | 16:54 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: which ones? the cart is far more streamlined. you can test via http://beta.webgui.org if you like | 17:04 |
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| scrottie0 | what important announcements did I otherwise miss? had 9:30 in my head, not 8:30. I was actually headed for breakfast when I double checked. | 17:05 |
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| elnino_ | it is clunky as far as user registration and purchase goes. and the templates are a bit. um. ugly. | 17:05 |
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| elnino_ | in 7.7 | 17:05 |
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| elnino_ | I'll take a look at the beta. | 17:06 |
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| @preaction | scrottie0: none really, just a reminder to fill out the surveys and "the presentations next are..." | 17:16 |
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| scrottie0 | preaction, thanks. | 17:18 |
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| ckotil | survey seems improved in the beta. im hung up on an issue in 7.8.20 where you cant save any text for a new question. | 17:25 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: yeah. survey has been under heavy bugfixing since it was introduced. it's getting (finally) pretty stable | 17:26 |
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| ckotil | awesome. it will be a nice addition | 17:29 |
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| ckotil | looks very useful for in the a classroom :) | 17:30 |
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| ckotil | i had to crank out a survey the other day, and i ended up using the dataform | 17:30 |
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| elnino_ | nice map asset! | 18:23 |
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| elnino_ | well, I'm looking at the beta. I'm confused. the vendor payment hasn't changed. | 18:25 |
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| elnino_ | how does one setup that the vendor gets 10% of the sales? | 18:25 |
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| elnino_ | or is it assumed they get 100%? | 18:25 |
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| elnino_ | in our case, we are doing royalties, not vendor payout. | 18:26 |
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| elnino_ | maybe there is a difference. =( | 18:26 |
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| scrottie0 | does JavaScript implement the yadda yadda yadda operator? | 18:27 |
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| scrottie0 | </sarcastic> | 18:27 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: it may not be possible yet. we've had someone be interested in sponsoring it, but they've not come through with the funding yet | 18:29 |
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| +BartJol | mmm, lemme have a look, we might have done that | 18:30 |
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| elnino_ | grr. who do I talk to about $$ to finish that? | 18:30 |
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| @preaction | well, the API doesn't allow multiple vendors | 18:30 |
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| +BartJol | nope | 18:31 |
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| elnino_ | well, a product can only have one vendor. then there is the store owners. the vendor gets % and the store owner gets the rest. | 18:31 |
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| elnino_ | so you only need one vendor. | 18:31 |
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| * elnino_ is confused | 18:31 |
| @preaction | right, but with multiple vendors you'd be able to say one vendor is the shop owner, and the other is getting the royalties. and it would work on percentages or amounts | 18:32 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r81dd8d6 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix whitespace issue in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/cGcxJj | 18:32 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r57c49e7 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix whitespace issue in the changelog. - http://bit.ly/cgPqlV | 18:32 |
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| elnino_ | mm. k | 18:32 |
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| scrottie0 | Frank is removing thumbs. | 18:51 |
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| scrottie0 | this is my favorite yet: http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/wg8.png | 21:58 |
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| patspam | Haarg: how do I get svn to show commits that match a given string (matching the code that was changed, not the commit message) | 22:02 |
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| Haarg | svn? | 22:02 |
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| patspam | yeah | 22:02 |
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| patspam | pity me | 22:02 |
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| patspam | short of importing it into git... | 22:02 |
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| Haarg | i was going to say | 22:02 |
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| Haarg | step 1, import to git | 22:02 |
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| elnino_ | I'm getting a "Unable to extract package! The package may be corrupt, or there may be a server error preventing packages from being imported. " fro 7.7.28 to 7.8.23 - ideas? | 05:22 |
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| elnino_ | I don'thave access to the logs. =( but I'm askign for them. | 05:22 |
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| zylopfa | anyone got problems also installing CHI-0.36? | 05:38 |
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| SVIFI | Anyone is familiar with ^Emask(); fature? | 11:15 |
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| SVIFI | why could it work on some pages but not on others? | 11:16 |
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| Haarg | SVIFI, that looks to be a very old macro. i wouldn't expect it to work at all. | 14:33 |
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| SVIFI | found a solution already, it actually was Filter code setting blocking it | 14:51 |
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| xdanger | I've been thinking of writing a new Emask macro | 16:05 |
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| xdanger | maybe one that would implement multible "masking" functions | 16:10 |
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| @scrottie | second hack-a-thon project ran long. http://localhost:5000/crystalx_style?func=edit;proceed=goBackToPage;returnUrl=/home/welcome triggers a die planted in Template in my branch: http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/a28e0995d141fdbe37e4b1f2f3210cb904780231 | 23:52 |
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| @scrottie | the code does the goofy asset dump thing. it takes a lot of CPU and should be a debug option. that still needs to be cleaned up. it's just a demo. | 23:52 |
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| @scrottie | hey patspam. | 23:52 |
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| patspam | heya | 23:52 |
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| @scrottie | just the man I should be talking to. can you comment on my Asset.pm changes in http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/a28e0995d141fdbe37e4b1f2f3210cb904780231 ? specifically, what implications are there of not returning a callback if we're not streaming? | 23:53 |
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| patspam | sure, will check it out in an hour or two | 23:54 |
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| @scrottie | cool. | 23:54 |
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| @scrottie | oops, missing a file from that mess. | 23:55 |
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| xdanger | O, joy... my macbook won't boot up, and in single user mode it says I/O Error for the harddrive. | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | frank just had that same problem today | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | so then i shouldn't install the security update? | 00:47 |
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| scrottie0 | grr. | 01:01 |
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| scrottie0 | GRR. | 02:55 |
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| scrottie0 | I love my little local ISP but they use Cox's crummy network. that would be okay but I need something redundant for the long haul chunk too and the copper is miserable in the neighborhood and USWest's prices are out of control. | 03:01 |
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| scrottie0 | no muni wireless in Phoenix. | 03:01 |
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| scrottie0 | so I have to cancel that DSL, get another provider with a different backend, get Cox, and get a different wireless carrier cuz T-Mobile cut me off. | 03:01 |
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| scrottie0 | http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/1f7075ce9261824b883d7d0f7a924a4ab064dcbb # fixed, finally | 03:20 |
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| scrottie0 | "Our new routes should propagate to the Intenret within the hour." http://fastq.com/ ... oh, good, I'm glad I'll be able to get back on the Intenret. | 03:31 |
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| scrottie0 | fat fingered sysadmins make the rockin' world go round. | 03:32 |
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| scrottie0 | http://twitter.com/Crell/status/23183942746 # ""Know where in this giant array whose structure changes out from underneath you you need to iterate" is not an API. #drupal #epicfail" | 03:48 |
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| scrottie0 | no tasks emails this Monday? | 03:59 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 05:01 |
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| SDuensin | I have returned! | 18:05 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 18:06 |
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| SDuensin | Dude, I remember none of last week. | 18:06 |
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| SDuensin | Anybody need a fun few hour project? http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/API#Sample_API_Examples_(JSP,_PHP,_Python_...) | 18:07 |
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| @preaction | no Perl bindings | 18:08 |
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| SDuensin | Don't need 'em. Whole API is REST. | 18:09 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 18:16 |
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| SDuensin | Hey SquOnk | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | SDuensin: Hey there | 18:25 |
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| SDuensin | preaction: Done yet? :-) | 18:26 |
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| +bartjol | can it be that the current git wg8 branch doesn't run? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, everyone! | 18:27 |
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| +bartjol | howdy | 18:27 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 18:28 |
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| @preaction | bartjol: it should. how are you running it? do you have the WebGUI::Paths module in your PERL5LIB (usually export PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/lib) | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo SD! | 18:28 |
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| +bartjol | ah, it is in my wre lib | 18:28 |
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| +bartjol | Rory is getting the some errors, but they are Paths module related, at least it gives errors when I look at localhost:5000 | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's the problem right there, bartjol | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | don't look at localhost:5000 | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the problem will go away ;) | 18:30 |
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| Haarg | how are you starting it and what errors are you getting? | 18:30 |
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| +bartjol | plackup app.psgi | 18:30 |
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| Haarg | we saw a problem previously where not having WebGUI::Paths in @INC would cause it to fail in a very weird way but were later unable to reproduce it | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | plackup --server Starman | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | and some other options | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | phone at my ear | 18:31 |
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| +bartjol | ryuu_ro: do you have those errors ready? | 18:32 |
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| +bartjol | they are on my laptop. while my im client runs on another | 18:32 |
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| ryuu_ro | one moment let me check | 18:33 |
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| ryuu_ro | hmm, i've closed my VM so I have to start it up again | 18:33 |
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| ryuu_ro | that takes some time | 18:33 |
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| +bartjol | ah, would you please be so kind, then I can give some attention to my customer | 18:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | yep it's booting up | 18:35 |
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| +bartjol | thank you | 18:35 |
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| SquOnk | Are the UKPlayer source files available anywhere? | 18:40 |
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| SquOnk | (I mean the sources for the .swf) | 18:40 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok here it is, in Plack/App/URLMap.pm we have no SCRIPT_NAME variabele | 18:40 |
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| ryuu_ro | I'm guessing that's the problem | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, only from UK, as far as I know | 18:42 |
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| SquOnk | Hmm. | 18:43 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I have a Debian bug complaining that there are no sources for the .swf files :/ | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would start a thread over on the wgdev list | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | and hopefully arjan will say something | 18:44 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That would be expressInstall.swf, slideShow.swf and the Tutorial.swf | 18:44 |
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| SquOnk | ...Tutorial.swf being in uploads/ | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | since we have the Carousel, we don't really need ukplayer in the core any longer | 18:44 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, that would be a nice removal from 7.9.14... | 18:45 |
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| SquOnk | ...one less Debian RC Bug :-) | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, but if they're willing to give use the source, that would be good too | 18:45 |
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| SquOnk | Yes | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's too late in the Dutch day to just remove it without a chance for them to respond | 18:45 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, do you happen to know the places you ran into where namespace::autoclean caused issues? | 18:46 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's summer. The Dutch day is looooong :-) | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, then the sooner you post to dev the better ;) | 18:46 |
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| SquOnk | How about Tutorial.swf in uploads/... still needed? | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'd have to check the logs in 8 | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would be single line commits from me with the phrase, "actually include what we use...." or something similar | 18:47 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r9338d69 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix template attachment ordering during the 7.8.24-7.9.11 upgrade. Existing sites cannot have their ordering restored, unless they revert and go through the ordering again. - http://bit.ly/afXA1V | 18:54 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, webgui dev, right? | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:55 |
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| * scrottie0 is reading scroll... | 19:46 |
| @preaction | i would prefer to remove those swfs entirely from the core: they have no business there. SquOnk if you create the thread, i'll weigh in with the severity, and the contributers can try to dissuade me | 19:52 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: I have to create a thread? | 19:56 |
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| @preaction | or i can do it, whichever | 19:59 |
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| @preaction | do you have a URL to the debian bug? | 20:00 |
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| SquOnk | preaction: Footnote at the posting in webgui dev | 20:08 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r0e754a5 / lib/WebGUI/BestPractices.pm : fix namespace::autoclean use in BestPractices - http://bit.ly/9oyh4p | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | when's the next 7.9.x release? today or next week? | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | next week | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | this week is 7.10.0 | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | unless we need to flip-flop that for priority reasons | 20:41 |
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| @preaction | No, just wondering when to put the deadline on the ukplayer source problem | 20:41 |
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| @preaction | Sept. 14 it is | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | this e-mail backlog from the wuc is gonna take all week i imagine... | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I call dibbs on preaction's mailbox | 20:48 |
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| @preaction | were you a fly on the wall of my inbox, eh? | 20:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, but I'm reserving space in the upcoming flood | 20:48 |
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| @preaction | ahh | 20:49 |
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| Haarg | weee more asset report problemms | 20:49 |
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| Haarg | Form::AssetReportQuery uses definition so that will have to be fixed at some point | 20:50 |
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| @preaction | yeah, asset report is going to go through the new process for 7.10. so v2 is probably getting fast-tracked | 20:50 |
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| Haarg | actually i guess the other thing i found won't be broken | 20:52 |
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| Haarg | it sorts the keys alphabetically instead of numerically | 20:52 |
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| Haarg | but 1 will still come first so i think it won't break | 20:52 |
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| @preaction | until 10 comes up | 20:52 |
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| Haarg | the only really important thing with the loops is that 1 comes first | 20:53 |
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| Haarg | still bad though | 20:53 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r72aa67c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix type handling in the new jsontable JS. Kudos to khenn for the patch. Fixes bug #11810 - http://bit.ly/d5MMLZ | 20:54 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r34c48e6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix type handling in the new jsontable JS. Kudos to khenn for the patch. Fixes bug #11810 - http://bit.ly/b3muK2 | 20:54 |
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| Haarg | the real brokenness is using hashes instead of arrays though | 20:54 |
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| Haarg | oh, and more sql injection | 20:57 |
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| Haarg | $condition isn't validated | 20:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | $condition comes from the asset properties, doesn't it? | 21:00 |
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| Haarg | from the settings property | 21:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's never exposed to the user, only the person who can edit the asset | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | and the asset can only be added by admins now | 21:04 |
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| @preaction | so you trust every admin? or an exploit to gain escalated privs? | 21:05 |
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| Haarg | well, admins already have access to everything they would get from exploiting this bug | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | if someone is an admin, it's way easier just to start deleting stuff than crafting an SQL injection exsploit | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | and you're right, AssetReport only guard bands canAdd, not canEdit | 21:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | so if Admin assigned it to someone else, they'd be able to use it for nefarious puposes | 21:06 |
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| Haarg | honestly though, i shouldn't be finding exploits every time i look at this code | 21:06 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r2ee97e7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): Don't be overzealous in cleaning up the cache root directory. Fixes bug #11814 - http://bit.ly/b90nVQ | 21:16 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r91acd4c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/upgrade.pl): Don't be overzealous in cleaning up the cache root directory. Fixes bug #11814 - http://bit.ly/bkrFtZ | 21:16 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r6aa26c2 / (61 files in 23 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility::isIn - http://bit.ly/biIrDB | 21:20 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r0adbb51 / (3 files in 2 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility::sortHash - http://bit.ly/9QpWgW | 21:20 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * red04b99 / (95 files in 27 dirs): remove WebGUI::Utility - http://bit.ly/aS67qD | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | great, Haarg. Now I have to update my presentation. | 21:21 |
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| Haarg | :) | 21:21 |
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| Haarg | a couple caveats with smart match - caring about types means you need to make sure you are feeding it the right data | 21:23 |
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| Haarg | "1a" ~~ 1 is true. "1a" ~~ "1" is false. | 21:24 |
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| Haarg | matching against an array works the same as matching against an arrayref | 21:24 |
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| Haarg | but you can't match against a list | 21:24 |
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| Haarg | so you need to stick it in an arrayref first | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | fun! | 21:25 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What do I need to do to have ITVERX listed in "home" -> "partners" | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, you would need to be invited to be a WebGUI partner | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | maybe we should write some sort of useful function to smooth this stuff over? maybe a utility function? we could make a WebGUI::Utility package or something! | 21:25 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ah, I see. | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | SquOnk: for details, ask info@plainblack.com | 21:26 |
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| @preaction | tavisto isn't here i see... that slacker | 21:26 |
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| SquOnk | Too bad I couldn't go to the WUC. | 21:26 |
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| @preaction | khenn: compy fixed? | 21:29 |
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| @khenn | just got it back | 21:29 |
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| @khenn | have to re-install all my apps though +( | 21:30 |
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| @khenn | =( | 21:30 |
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| @khenn | least my data is all in tact | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | what happened khenn? | 21:30 |
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| @preaction | xootom had the same problem you did yesterday, which i thought was rather coincidental. so i decided not to do that security update | 21:30 |
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| @khenn | preaction: don't know. it locked up on Sat morning and then never would get past the grey screen that has the apple on it | 21:30 |
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| @khenn | took it to the apple store. They said it was a failing hard drive | 21:31 |
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| @preaction | my hd has been making more noise recently. perhaps they decided to get a shitty batch | 21:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | you need a new laptop, preaction | 21:31 |
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| @preaction | it's only 18 months old, if that! | 21:32 |
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| @preaction | if apple wants to push this kinda crap on us, i'll move to lenovo. | 21:32 |
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| @khenn | I had to pay for the hard drive and then they wanted to keep my old one too | 21:33 |
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| @khenn | it was like pulling teeth to get it back | 21:33 |
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| @preaction | why the hell would they keep a broken hard drive? | 21:34 |
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| @khenn | they said that apple did something with them | 21:34 |
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| @khenn | I don't know | 21:34 |
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| @khenn | it was odd | 21:34 |
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| @preaction | recycle perhaps, there are precious metals in there, but still | 21:34 |
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| @khenn | yeah | 21:35 |
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| @khenn | I got it back though | 21:35 |
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| @khenn | so that's good | 21:35 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, i noted the replacements in migration.txt but it could probably use some expanding | 21:40 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r494b270 / docs/migration.txt : note replacement functions for WebGUI::Utility in migration docs - http://bit.ly/doJSHI | 21:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | not a problem, I hear some guy wrote a presentation about that | 21:41 |
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| scrottie | (Panasonic Toughbook)++ | 21:42 |
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| scrottie | probably read through the code on it and patent good ideas, like they do with apps submitted to the app store. | 21:42 |
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| @khenn | heh | 21:45 |
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| @khenn | probably right scrottie | 21:45 |
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| xdanger | My macbook pros harddrive failed yesterday also | 21:45 |
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| @preaction | and then reject the apps because they want that market, like the gutenberg app | 21:45 |
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| @preaction | wtf | 21:45 |
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| xdanger | 13 months old | 21:45 |
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| @preaction | 3? thats... not... right... | 21:45 |
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| xdanger | good thing I have the overpriced applecare | 21:46 |
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| scrottie | I really like to pick out my own harddrive... some brands suck really really bad. | 21:47 |
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| xdanger | Still, "There's a queue to the service" and they have to get a new part from apple, even if they have the same drive on the self.. yey! | 21:47 |
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| xdanger | I wish there was an applestore in central finland ;) | 21:47 |
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| scrottie | DragonflyBSD isn't quite there yet with ACPI and it doesn't have single system image clustering running yet (one OS image, many machines). FreeBSD screwed the pooch. I'm thinking of exploring running Darwin on x86 hardware. I'd still be stuck X-Windows. | 21:49 |
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| @khenn | well they did a decent job of restoring my data | 21:49 |
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| @khenn | so I'm happy with that | 21:49 |
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| @khenn | saved me a ton of time | 21:49 |
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| scrottie | either Darwin or QNX. | 21:49 |
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| scrottie | perl runs on QNX. what else do I really need? | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | mysql | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | apache | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | imagemagick | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | various browsers for cross testing | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | on multiple operating systems | 21:51 |
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| scrottie | bleah. | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | not much more than perl ;) | 21:51 |
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| scrottie | mysql, firefox, check. | 21:53 |
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| ryuu_ro | hey guys, I try to run WebGUI 8 but my $env->{SCRIPT_NAME} keeps on being empty | 22:15 |
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| ryuu_ro | do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong | 22:15 |
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| @preaction | ryuu_ro: how are you running it? | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | is WebGUI::Paths on @INC? | 22:16 |
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| ryuu_ro | i'm running it from /lib | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | what's the error you get in the console / browser? | 22:16 |
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| ryuu_ro | so ../app.psgi | 22:16 |
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| @preaction | not sure that will work | 22:16 |
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| ryuu_ro | the error is: | 22:17 |
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| @preaction | try: env PERL5LIB=lib plackup app.psgi; <- in the WebGUI folder | 22:17 |
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| ryuu_ro | Can't use string ("") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Plack/App/URLMap.pm line 75. | 22:17 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok try that | 22:17 |
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| ryuu_ro | hmm from running from webgui dir I get a compilation error: WebGUI::Paths is not in env | 22:19 |
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| ryuu_ro | env contains WebGUI/lib though | 22:19 |
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| @preaction | if you're in lib, does perl -c WebGUI/Paths.pm work? | 22:20 |
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| ryuu_ro | syntax ok | 22:20 |
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| @preaction | try "export PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/lib; plackup app.psgi" maybe then? | 22:23 |
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| Haarg | ryuu_ro, you might also try installing Devel::SimpleTrace and running plackup -MDevel::SimpleTrace app.psgi | 22:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok no luck with exporting, trying Devel now | 22:25 |
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| @preaction | yay! e-mail inbox backlog has been defeated! you lose 100 stress points! | 22:28 |
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| ryuu_ro | still no luck | 22:29 |
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| Haarg | it doesn't give any more information? | 22:29 |
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| ryuu_ro | 8 should be running "out of the box" right? no special configurations? | 22:29 |
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| ryuu_ro | nope, still the same error trace | 22:30 |
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| Haarg | what are you using for a config file, and how did you create the database? | 22:31 |
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| ryuu_ro | ow f* me, running system mysql instead of wre where my database is located............ | 22:33 |
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| Haarg | it shouldn't need any special configuration, but it's been a relatively small group of people using it so we haven't cleaned up some of these issues | 22:33 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, that sounds fair enough, I'll keep on building my server skills :) | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | ryuu_ro: if you want, you could keep track of your adventure on the webgui dev list. that way we can fix any problems you run into, we can see the rough spots we need to smooth over, and you can help others start playing with webgui 8 | 22:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | sure, will do that (probably tommorow, I had enough for today :) ) | 22:36 |
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| CIA-21 | wrebuild: Doug Bell master * r6cdba63 / getperlmodules.sh : | 22:43 |
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| CIA-21 | wrebuild: update perl modules from backpan instead | 22:43 |
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| CIA-21 | wrebuild: contributed by William McKee of Knowmad Technologies - http://bit.ly/aV7Yaf | 22:43 |
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| @preaction | so apparently both debian 5 and ubuntu build WRE in 64-bit mode... i'm tempted to release a new WRE in any linux/BSD flavor I can and just forgoe the OS X version | 22:44 |
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| SDuensin | Oooooooooo? 64 bit WRE? | 22:47 |
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| @preaction | yeah, both knowmad and synq have gotten it to compile on Ubuntu and Debian respectively. but i have yet to get it to work | 22:47 |
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| SDuensin | :-/ | 22:48 |
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| SDuensin | I need it here, too. | 22:48 |
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| SDuensin | Well, I *want* it here anyway. | 22:48 |
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| @preaction | but i'm using OS X 10.6, which iirc uses llvm not gcc | 22:48 |
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| @preaction | wonder if openbsd ever ported away from gcc like they said they were gonna... | 22:49 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, Apple likes llvm/clang. | 22:59 |
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| SDuensin | Anyway, I'll be back later. Gotta get a kid from school. | 22:59 |
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| carogray | Need a reminder. | 23:50 |
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| carogray | On the data mail form template the Send button comes from <p><tmpl_var form.send></p> I think. | 23:51 |
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| carogray | I need it to send and do everything else, but the button needs to say ???? | 23:51 |
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| carogray | cannot rememberhow to do this. | 23:52 |
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| @preaction | <input type="submit" value="those characters" | 23:52 |
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| carogray | perfect thanks so much! | 23:52 |
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| carogray | preaction: Beautiful! Works a charm and looks so pretty too! thanks | 23:53 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9ca3cd9 / lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm : fix back to site and logout links in admin console - http://bit.ly/9s0td9 | 00:01 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r7f18bcc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): All HTMLAreas in the post are controlled by the parent CS settings. Fixes bug #11827. - http://bit.ly/cUp1v7 | 00:04 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf333dbb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): All HTMLAreas in the post are controlled by the parent CS settings. Fixes bug #11827. - http://bit.ly/bDfYAF | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, why do we still ship WebGUI with Template Managers, Product Managers and other kinds of groups? Is it for the purpose of examples, or for historical continuity, or... ? | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | historical continuity i suspect. we could remove them from the default install if we wanted | 00:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to write a coherent response to: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11819 | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | could just remove it, as it has no bearing on shop. that was just for Products in the Admin Console | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | and those groups were only because group settings were not configurable in the admin console | 00:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | true, that | 00:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, andyiomoon | 00:15 |
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| andyiomoon | morning perlDreamer | 00:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | any GPS related problems on the flight back? | 00:16 |
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| andyiomoon | heh - no - we managed to find Melbourne with little difficulty I believe | 00:16 |
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| andyiomoon | time to shepherd kids to school but I will be throwing some enquiries your way in an email later on - so stay tuned :) | 00:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll be here | 00:18 |
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| Haarg | some of those extra groups are hard coded in some places, but not most of them | 00:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I'll ack 14 | 00:25 |
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| Haarg | 12, 11, 13, 7, 4, 3, 2, 1 are hard coded in places afaik, but not the others | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any thoughts on letting wgd edit also be able to handle template attachments? | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | they're not little JSON blobs in the database in the template table | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | s/not/now/ | 00:37 |
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| Haarg | so it should be possible to edit them now, it's probably just really annoying | 00:38 |
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| Haarg | should be possible to make a transformation to make them easier to deal with | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | from asset-serial format to JSON-format? | 00:40 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r17d1eca / (2 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup a bad template attachment in the new Asset Report template. Fixes bug #11825 - http://bit.ly/aesC7C | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | hello there | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | who lives in 'the USA lower 48 states'? | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | I need a favour from someone | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | sup holmes | 00:48 |
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| SynQ | huh? | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | yes, what you need? | 00:49 |
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| elnino | hi everyone! | 00:51 |
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| elnino | hey preaction - http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11844 I can't comment on it. It seems to be in a special area? | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | elnino: yes. what's up? | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | the 8 tickets are for the 8 devs for internal tracking. we're just being transparent | 00:52 |
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| elnino | well, my comment would be: | 00:52 |
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| elnino | that one of what I believe to be one of the selling points of webgui is that it's a complete out of the box solutions, where as joomla and them guys have a core, and then a bunch of add ons. | 00:53 |
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| Haarg | preaction, i know jt mentioned all of those assets as things worth removing, except for time tracker. he said he knew of a number of people using it. | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | those are directly from the list of assets he gave me | 00:53 |
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| elnino | yet at the same time, I think people expect having add ons. | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | and they'd still be using it, it'd just no longer be worked on by core devs | 00:54 |
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| elnino | and that they maybe want somethign like joomla where peopl ehave to weed thru a bunch of add ons to pick one that meets there needs. | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | until someone gets PM v 2 out which can be a bundled, add-on solution | 00:54 |
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| elnino | so is webgui goign to distinguish between "their" add ons verses community add ons? | 00:55 |
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| elnino | bazzaar vs wg plugins? | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | elnino: the future idea is that there will be installable add-ons from a command-line script. as for "official add ons", i haven't gotten that far yet | 00:55 |
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| elnino | I just don't want a joomla mess occuring. | 00:55 |
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| elnino | I left joomla for that reason. | 00:56 |
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| elnino | k. that's all for today. =) | 00:56 |
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| elnino | how was wuc? | 00:57 |
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| scrottie | perhaps "fat" and "light" distros. dunno. | 00:57 |
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| elnino | scrottie: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11843 | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | most likely we'd have a process where PB / community would be able to mark add-ons as "Kwalitee" | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | or even, "core-ready" | 00:58 |
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| @preaction | meaning it has all the requirements to go into core, it's just not distributed with WebGUI | 00:58 |
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| scrottie | ah, nice. yeah, saw the URL go by before but didn't look at it. | 00:58 |
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| elnino | or this scrottie: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11829 | 00:59 |
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| elnino | slightly different | 01:00 |
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| scrottie | what exactly is the joomla mess? add-ons not being kept up to date, disorganized, no assurance of quality, etc? | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | most likely all three | 01:02 |
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| elnino | yes. and the fact that there are a gabillion photo galleries, shops, file management, etc addons. | 01:02 |
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| elnino | and sites hosting them EVERYWHERE. I like going to one place: www.webgui.org | 01:03 |
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| elnino | it's a breath of fresh air. | 01:03 |
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| elnino | (webgui that is) | 01:04 |
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| @preaction | that's why we'd have a command-line script to add them to the central repo / CPAN. no desire to put them anywhere else | 01:04 |
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| elnino | sounds good to me. | 01:05 |
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| elnino | gotta go. later. | 01:05 |
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| @preaction | point being: if the add-ons are not just as easy to use as core (or easier, with only one command necessary to install and add to all sites), then we are better served keeping everything in core | 01:05 |
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| Haarg | and they might still be distributed with core. the important point is it would open up the possibility of having a light dist. | 01:06 |
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| @preaction | right | 01:07 |
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| @preaction | cpan install WebGUI <- bootstrap a webgui install. wg install <some app> <some other app> <some more apps> | 01:07 |
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| Haarg | also last night i started converting Storage to use Imager to see how bad it would be. seems pretty reasonable so far, although apparently my build has no gif support. | 01:08 |
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| @preaction | eh, gifs are for wimps and communists | 01:08 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rdc1ed08 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move the upgrade package to the new location. - http://bit.ly/bpgTRO | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, there's a small hiccup with the default content | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | it references a PDF file in the Media folder | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | but the upgrade script will only install things into the import node | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess I can install this by hand | 01:55 |
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| Haarg | default content shouldn't go into an upgrade anyway though | 01:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | good point | 02:02 |
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| @preaction | sorry, but i can't remember why we don't take a dump of default.plainblack.com, use that as create.sql, and run wgd reset -b on it for the release (or something to that effect) | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | user accounts, passwords, asset history, version tags | 02:10 |
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| @preaction | which reset -b should clear out, no? | 02:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't "no" | 02:10 |
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| Haarg | asset history and versions tags are cleared out | 02:14 |
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| Haarg | extra users are deleted | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try it out tonight. | 02:16 |
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| @preaction | so it'd be perfect to let Rogier, Tessa, and whomever have access to default.plainblack.com and edit the stuff before the release | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, it won't work | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | default tracks only 1 version | 02:16 |
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| CIA-21 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r694c9ce / lib/WGDev/Command/Self/Upgrade.pm : fix self-upgrade (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/d5DMZl | 02:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | and we need both versions of the database to do this | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | we could export packages for the stable versions | 02:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | that takes us back to where we are now, with needing to install a package by hand | 02:18 |
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| Haarg | make a wgd plugin that lists version tags and shows their contents | 02:18 |
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| Haarg | dump out packages of anything that has changed | 02:18 |
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| Haarg | and import them min-reset | 02:18 |
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| Haarg | or some variation on that | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | i just found a new way to take down a webgui site: have a syndicated content asset on the home page, have that syndicated content asset refer to the RSS feed of an asset that no longer exists, and have the "404 page" be the Home Page of the site. | 05:59 |
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| @preaction | infinite loop of awesomeness! | 05:59 |
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| SDuensin | SWEET! | 06:02 |
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| SDuensin | Not guessing you figured that out by testing the code I hinted I wanted written for free, huh? :-) | 06:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: that's evil | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | but now why does it sound familiar? | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, you silly test writer you | 07:10 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r95487ae / t/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.t : Fix a problem with newer DateTimes. - http://bit.ly/dr971i | 07:19 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8845e2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Preparing for 7.10.0 release. - http://bit.ly/b2kjca | 08:01 |
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| -!- Radix_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.9.13-stable | 7.10.0-beta | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com | 08:19 |
| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re5c2f13 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.1 development. - http://bit.ly/9inwiq | 08:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, Radix_ | 08:19 |
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| @preaction | yep, that had to be why. the 404 page caused syndicated content to try to render itself, causing another 404 and another SC and another 404 etc... | 08:38 |
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| @preaction | i'll fix it tomorrow | 08:38 |
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| elnino | I'm running 7.7.33 I believe, where can I find the information about the safest upgrade path? | 08:46 |
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| @preaction | the wiki has a page on stop points | 08:48 |
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| * elnino looks | 08:48 |
| elnino | ah found it. | 08:50 |
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| elnino | have I said how I don't like the new wiki? It'd like it was two versions ago... | 08:50 |
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| elnino | I looked under admin and couldn't find it. did I miss it? | 08:50 |
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| elnino | I looked again, I didn't miss it. the http://www.webgui.org/wiki/stop-versions isn't lited under "administration" how would one get it there? | 08:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would have to be tagged with the right keyword, elnino | 08:55 |
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| @preaction | add "Administration" to the keywords list | 08:55 |
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| elnino | well, I thought that too, | 08:55 |
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| elnino | but I looked at another topic in "administration" | 08:55 |
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| elnino | and it didn't have the keyword "administration" | 08:56 |
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| elnino | so it seems that there is someone somewhere orging this all. | 08:56 |
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| elnino | =) | 08:56 |
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| elnino | example: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-configure-a-static-non-webgui-site | 08:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, the keywords have hierarchy | 08:57 |
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| elnino | so it's like someone decided that "installation" and "wre" were keywords that shoudl be under "administration" | 08:57 |
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| @preaction | Installation is a sub keyword inside Administration | 08:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | for example, under Administration, there are keywords wre and installation | 08:57 |
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| elnino | right. | 08:57 |
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| elnino | so... this is "upgrade" | 08:57 |
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| elnino | How do I as a user get "upgrade" under "administration"? | 08:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | only people allowed to edit the wiki (instead of the wiki-page) are allowed to setup the keyword hierarchy | 08:58 |
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| @preaction | if you click administration, you should see a sub-keywords box, no? | 08:58 |
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| @preaction | really? why? | 08:58 |
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| elnino | me? | 08:58 |
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| @preaction | well, i just did it, because i can edit the wiki. | 08:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | that was the spec, preaction | 08:59 |
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| elnino | HEY there's three articles on "upgrade" howabout "upgrading"? =) | 09:00 |
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| @preaction | new rule: no more ideas from JT on how a wiki should work. if mediawiki does it, that's how we'll do it. | 09:00 |
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| elnino | lol. I agree. | 09:00 |
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| elnino | s/howabout/how about adding | 09:00 |
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| @preaction | we need proper taxonomy so we can say "upgrading" == "upgrade" | 09:01 |
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| elnino | and there lies one of the many issues.. =) I've had enough fun.. Sorry to be complaining about the wiki so earily in the morning.. | 09:01 |
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| elnino | I scared off perlDreamer. =( | 09:02 |
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| @preaction | no, it's very late | 09:02 |
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| elnino | good night! | 09:02 |
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| * bartjol has gat wg8 running, no good admin console and data errors in the asset view, but it works! | 15:25 |
| +bartjol | mmm, no error console, no log file entires (allthough the last was to be suspected, I believe) | 15:59 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:50 |
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| +bartjol | oh, hi | 17:10 |
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| SDuensin | oh, hey | 17:12 |
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| +bartjol | patspam: you know whether the default wg8 branch should at least show the asset view and adminconsole? | 17:18 |
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| +bartjol | I have it installed but it misses the adminconsole bar doesn't have any layout and when I go to asset view (via adminconsole->assets, not the "tree view") I get "Data error" in the yui asset table | 17:21 |
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| scrottie | bartjol, to the best of my knowledge, it only works on preaction's laptop. | 18:04 |
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| +bartjol | scrottie ah, that is a relieve | 18:07 |
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| +bartjol | I thought I screwed something up and taht the AC js +css didn't work | 18:09 |
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| +bartjol | already started chowning files, which is not bad per se | 18:09 |
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| knowmad | Wow! Looks like the WUC is over and everyone is back on IRC ;) | 18:23 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: I saw the announcement about 7.10.0 with the Gotcha; i just ran an upgrade from 7.8.24 to 7.9.13 which means I got bit by the bug | 18:24 |
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| knowmad | i'm just not sure if I use template attachments; how would I confirm this is a problem? | 18:24 |
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| knowmad | and what are the impacts to front-end of a site? | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | the impact is potentially huge | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | i was always there, only in a diffrent timezone ;) | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | since all your JS will think it's CSS | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they may not be in the correct order for loading | 18:25 |
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| knowmad | hey bartjol - glad someone was keeping the lights on here | 18:25 |
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| knowmad | oiy-vey! yes, that's a problem | 18:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | but, there's only one default template which uses attachments | 18:25 |
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| knowmad | oh, so it may not be an issue since we've customized our templates | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | to check to see if you're using attachments (and since you have to set it up manually, you'd probably already know) | 18:26 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i didn't build the site though | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | select distinct attachmentsJson from template; | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | and look in the JSON for funniness | 18:26 |
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| knowmad | ok | 18:26 |
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| knowmad | when will 7.9.14 be coming out? | 18:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | next Tuesday, but the bugs can't be automatically fixed | 18:27 |
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| knowmad | yeah, but i can just re-upgrade | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, actually you can if no work has been done on the site | 18:28 |
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| knowmad | or at least, i presume that will work? | 18:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, it would | 18:28 |
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| knowmad | yeah, i realize i'd lose any updates to the upgraded site | 18:28 |
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| knowmad | cool, thanks! | 18:28 |
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| knowmad | so that sql qry returned 35 rows | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | check each one for JS files that have the wrong type | 18:29 |
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| knowmad | ok | 18:30 |
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| knowmad | looks like most are set to type headScript | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | then you're fine | 18:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, fine for the first problem, where JS files were mislabeled | 18:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | then there's the ordering problem | 18:31 |
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| knowmad | where the headScripts are placed into the page in wrong order? | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:32 |
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| knowmad | is this a result of JSON packing? | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, and no | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | when they were packed, the original order wasn't guaranteed to be preserved | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | but only because the sequence was ignored during the packing | 18:32 |
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| +bartjol | so, is there something I could hack on in wg8 tonight, while not having a internet connection? | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's not a consequence of the JSON itself | 18:33 |
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| knowmad | i see | 18:33 |
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| +bartjol | only a semi-working install? | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, the API works great | 18:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | so anything in there would help | 18:33 |
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| knowmad | ok, i'll prob just re-upgrade next week after the new release comes out | 18:34 |
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| knowmad | this info ought to be put out to News if it hasn't already | 18:34 |
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| Haarg | while kind of lame, we could have an upgrade try to fix the order and type | 18:35 |
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| Haarg | but it would possibly be inaccurate | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, people would still have to go through and check it | 18:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I figured it was best to leave it as it was | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad, it's possible that the order is correct, but it's just as possible that the order is wrong | 18:36 |
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| +bartjol | ok, taking a look at the to do list (might take all evening by itself) | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's worth testing some pages to see what's up | 18:36 |
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| +bartjol | ooh, well removing duplicate i18n strings sounds like something I can do | 18:37 |
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| +bartjol | tedious job though | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I'd write a script for that | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | first, build a list of duplicates in the i18n | 18:40 |
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| knowmad | ok, thanks for feedback | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | then find out where they're used | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad, why do I have the feeling that you're gnashing your teeth? :) | 18:40 |
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| scrottie0 | is there a test for the streaming API as used by the progress bar in WebGUI 8? if not, perhaps write one. | 18:40 |
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| knowmad | perlDreamer: i'm not | 18:40 |
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| knowmad | i just don't see a need to worry about it since a bugfix will be released next week | 18:41 |
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| knowmad | we're not in a rush to upgrade the production site; i just needed a dev site setup | 18:41 |
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| knowmad | wanted to be sure i understood the bug | 18:41 |
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| +bartjol | perlDreamer: might a perl utilityscript be the best option? that also can be used in an upgrade | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, definitely | 18:42 |
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| +bartjol | and it is easier to get the tags | 18:42 |
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| +bartjol | so, do we just say that every english tag that is exactly the same is a duplicate? I know we have discussed that before | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | well, after finding duplicates, I suppose I can check the contect | 18:44 |
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| +bartjol | context | 18:44 |
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| +bartjol | that script will be a nice loopy thingy :) | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes, you'll want to build like a reversed hash for easy lookups | 18:47 |
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| +bartjol | In Dutch I can also check whether the Dutch word is the same (also with spanish and german). I can make a comparison file, which I can post | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | that would be awesome | 18:47 |
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| +bartjol | then the germans and spanish guys can react | 18:47 |
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| +bartjol | if they don't bad luck for them | 18:47 |
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| scrottie0 | bartjol, yeah, my "Admin Console" doesn't accordian and "Tree" doesn't give me a tree view. no response. | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | I don't even see a tree button | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | waiting will get me there though | 18:51 |
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| * bartjol goes in wg8 standby modus | 18:52 |
| +bartjol | I'll assign myself that issue | 18:56 |
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| +bartjol | I can't | 18:58 |
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| +bartjol | even no comments, maybe I should belong to a group which can | 18:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I can't assign myself, or anyone else, either | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll drop a note in there for now bartjol | 19:00 |
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| +bartjol | well, preaction want to do everything him self :P | 19:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg, there are few if any tickets that y'all have submitted that have enough detail that we can hand any of them off | 19:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | you might want to prioritize something really important, and describe it to the point where even I could pick it up and do it | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that'd be awesome! it'd also be impossible, as i am extremely lazy. better to get other people to do things | 19:01 |
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| @preaction | pick something that sounds interesting and i'll explain it out | 19:01 |
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| +bartjol | well I'm looking at 11713 | 19:02 |
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| @preaction | bartjol: you are empowered | 19:02 |
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| +bartjol | which is a female dog prolly | 19:02 |
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| +bartjol | so, I want to look for double English entries in wg8 | 19:03 |
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| Haarg | honestly most of the ones i filed are so i don't forget them myself | 19:03 |
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| +bartjol | and compare whether Dutch translations are identical | 19:03 |
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| Haarg | most aren't intended for other people to take care of | 19:04 |
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| +bartjol | the structure hasn't been changed yet I hope? | 19:04 |
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| +bartjol | well intended... | 19:04 |
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| @preaction | bartjol: the end idea is that the WebGUI namespace should have all the common things. "delete" "add" "edit" "copy" "paste" | 19:04 |
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| Haarg | or there's things like the YUI thing where i need feedback from doug before i continue | 19:04 |
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| @preaction | the single-word descriptions for links that everybody uses but are strewn about the i18n tree willy-nilly | 19:04 |
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| +bartjol | I agree that long haired people should do slave work, but not all. some of has to be done by people who speak garbled crap | 19:05 |
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| +bartjol | preaction: ok | 19:06 |
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| +bartjol | I'll stick with the short ones then\ | 19:06 |
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| +bartjol | depends on how my script turns out | 19:07 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, should i close 11668 or leave it open to handle converting existing code to use WebGUI::BestPractices ? | 19:07 |
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| +bartjol | but i also have to find all use in the code offcourse | 19:07 |
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| Haarg | some of the code you've already converted (C::IO stuff) is spitting warnings now | 19:07 |
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| @preaction | bartjol: once you have the i18n key, you can use "ack" to get the places it's used. won't be entirely automated, but it'll work | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, since we've decided on a name, I'd close that bug out and open a new one for conversion | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | re warnings, t/00_compile runs clean before I commit | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it usually pukes on warnings | 19:08 |
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| Haarg | compile warnings | 19:09 |
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| Haarg | because those are almost always bad, and it forces warnings on universally | 19:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | so what kind of warnings are you seeing? | 19:09 |
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| Haarg | but undef warnings show up all over the place if warnings are turned on | 19:09 |
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| Haarg | which happens automatically with 'use Moose' | 19:09 |
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| +bartjol | just posted this in the report, so it is defined | 19:10 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to the gym, and contemplates undefinedness | 19:10 |
| @preaction | i know i've promised this for a few weeks now, but today i will go through and describe the tickets and give priorities and deadlines using some nice metadata. after i go get some allergy meds | 19:13 |
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| scrottie0 | my state of mind somewhat resembles that of a newborn baby when I'm awake in the morning. | 19:13 |
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| scrottie0 | that might not be the best time for me to talk to clients on the phone ;) | 19:14 |
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| +bartjol | eeh I do can assume that within namespaces tags are unique, right? | 19:15 |
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| scrottie0 | patspam, when you get time, can you comment on http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/1f7075ce9261824b883d7d0f7a924a4ab064dcbb ? gentle reminder =) specifically, I don't want to undo anything that you did for a good reason, at least not without having another strategy for dealing with the same. | 19:17 |
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| scrottie0 | alright, you're on auto-reconnect. I'll talk to you at 3am after I stumble home from the pub. | 19:19 |
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| patspam | scrottie0: the intent is awesome | 19:23 |
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| patspam | when I run it, it spews a whole lot of stuff into my console | 19:23 |
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| patspam | and shows the regular site - isn't it supposed to show a stacktrace? | 19:24 |
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| scrottie0 | patspam, it should show a stack trace (cross referenced with the asset tree) but only if you hit an error. Template has a die inserted into it. if you try to edit a template, it should blow up. | 19:25 |
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| +danny_mk | Hello everyone | 19:26 |
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| scrottie0 | that's what should happen. I fired it up this morning and that's not quite what happened... a stray eval { die } kicked the logic in. | 19:26 |
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| scrottie0 | hey danny_mk | 19:26 |
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| +danny_mk | would it be worth the time to be able to dynamically assign templates when adding a new wiki page? | 19:26 |
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| scrottie0 | line 36ish of lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm should be using the full if ($trace && ($caught || ($self->force && ref $res eq 'ARRAY' && $res->[0] == 500)) ) logic, not just the if($trace) logic, to avoid that. | 19:27 |
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| patspam | scrottie: 404's generate a stacktrace in the console output | 19:27 |
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| patspam | and cause the server to hang | 19:27 |
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| scrottie0 | danny_mk: there are so many humans walking the face of the earth that no industry, no matter how obscure, is unworthy of our time. | 19:27 |
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| scrottie0 | patspam, it only looks like it has hung. in about 15 minutes, you should have your nice stack trace. that's another matter... | 19:28 |
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| patspam | ah, yeah I saw that in the main branch too when i was generating a screenshot for my talk | 19:28 |
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| scrottie0 | I'm sobbing into my ale as I type this, but if this error page gets used, it'll have to be AJAXified. | 19:28 |
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| scrottie0 | really? as WebGUI.pm was, the straight up Plack::Middleware::StackTrace would basically never engage due to the call-back style used in WebGUI.pm. only if another bit of Middleware blew up would Plack::Middleware::StackTrace engage. | 19:29 |
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| patspam | sorry, gotta run, but looks good, I say keep hacking it into shape and feel free to modify anything i committed | 19:30 |
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| +danny_mk | well, it would be nice to have as we are using wiki to keep our documentation, however the formatting is becoming unbearable because there is no standard way/guide to type/format the documentation | 19:30 |
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| scrottie0 | so I guess the RFC here is really two parts... the stupid tree view of the assets cross referenced to stack trace that preaction liked (originally it was done in ASCII but he suggested HTML) and the matter of getting WebGUI.pm avoiding using callback style so that the plain old Plack::Middleware::StackTrace would kick in | 19:30 |
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| scrottie0 | patspam, okay, but I want to clarify later with you that always doing the callback wasn't done for any specific reason, to avoid any specific problem. | 19:31 |
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| patspam | I think it may have been related to the streaming api | 19:31 |
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| scrottie0 | yeah. I haven't been able to get the admin console working well enough I can test the progress bar to see if I've broken it. | 19:32 |
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| scrottie0 | so I have to put this aside for a while I think. | 19:32 |
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| scrottie0 | anywho, thanks for looking at it. | 19:32 |
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| patspam | welcome :) | 19:33 |
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| Haarg | scrottie0, page layouts (when logged in) should use streaming just like the progress bar does so you might be able to use that for testing | 19:40 |
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| scrottie0 | hrmmmrmm.. | 19:42 |
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| @preaction | danny_mk: i was thinking some method of calling a template from inside of a wiki page, like mediawiki does. something like [[Template:MyTemplate name=value name=value]] | 19:57 |
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| +danny_mk | right | 19:57 |
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| @preaction | so then you could create a template inside your wiki that has [% name %] and it would be replaced with "value" | 19:57 |
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| +danny_mk | I was thinking of adding a menu choice like: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/menu/example05.html | 19:58 |
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| +danny_mk | Hmmm... got to look into that | 19:59 |
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| @preaction | but would you be able to apply multiple templates? perhaps [[Template is the wrong word for it, as it's really more like a Macro | 19:59 |
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| +danny_mk | We need to be able to apply multiple templates | 20:00 |
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| @preaction | but still, mediawiki calls it a template, and the template itself is really indeed a template | 20:00 |
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| +danny_mk | hold on | 20:00 |
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| +danny_mk | ?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::WikiPage;title=dan;templateId=... | 20:01 |
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| +danny_mk | something like that | 20:02 |
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| @preaction | that would only apply one template to that page. | 20:02 |
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| @preaction | mediawiki templates work differently than normal, WebGUI templates. they define a single part of the page. like the side box or a bottom box | 20:02 |
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| +danny_mk | OK | 20:03 |
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| +danny_mk | maybe I should explain myself better | 20:03 |
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| +danny_mk | I get what you are saying, I was simply looking into adding a new wiki page using a specific template | 20:04 |
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| +danny_mk | The wiki entry form as a guide to format documentation and other items that would be standard in our company | 20:05 |
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| @preaction | wikipages get their template from the parent. what are you trying to do that you need a complete template? | 20:05 |
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| @preaction | so you want to change how the edit page looks? | 20:05 |
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| +danny_mk | right | 20:05 |
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| @preaction | but only for certain wiki pages | 20:06 |
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| +danny_mk | yes | 20:06 |
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| +danny_mk | For example, if we have a info wiki that contains documentation (in the man page format), lessons learned, contacts, etc.. I would like the user to be able to select the documentation template when entering a new API document | 20:08 |
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| +danny_mk | for lessons learned it would be a different entry form, for contacts it would be yet another entry form, etc... | 20:09 |
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| +danny_mk | this is not a practical example but it is the best way I can explain what I am after | 20:09 |
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| @preaction | but the end result is that the HTML Editor shows some default content inside, correct? | 20:11 |
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| +danny_mk | I would prefer it to be different fields in the entry form. Maybe not even use the editor, sacrifice the editor for some default formatting would be acceptable | 20:12 |
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| @preaction | okay, but then it's not a wiki at all | 20:14 |
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| +danny_mk | and I hit the wall :-( | 20:15 |
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| +danny_mk | yup, you are probably right :-) | 20:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | danny_mk: sounds more like you want a DataForm, or a Thingy | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | or custom Article subtypes | 20:16 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, I will concede | 20:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, it also sounds like the userDefined fields in every Asset idea | 20:17 |
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| @preaction | which is less practical than using normal asset Metadata | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11210 | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | eh, I think it's more like giving every asset 5 metadata fields | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and skipping all the other hassle | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | you get 5 for free, then if you need more you can add it | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and they don't have to be the same | 20:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | kind of like userSessionScratch, for Assets | 20:18 |
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| @preaction | the hassle of requiring a template for every www_edit so you can use proper form controls like Rich Edit or User or Group? | 20:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | the wiki edit is templated anyway | 20:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | and userDefined vars aren't that detailed | 20:20 |
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| @preaction | in the collaboration they are, you can pick from a bunch of different form fields | 20:22 |
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| @preaction | and if not, people use macros to create the field they want | 20:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's not a bad idea at all | 20:25 |
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| @preaction | but i didn't have that idea, it's the prevailing idea | 20:26 |
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| @preaction | my idea it to make real metadata more useful. i'm not even sure why userdefinedfields are perceived as better anyway | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | because they're not constrained in anyway | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | metadata is shared across all assets | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I don't care to have color metadata in one asset | 20:27 |
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| @preaction | okay, so make it a dropdown to add metadata fields | 20:28 |
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| Haarg | metadata isn't versioned | 20:28 |
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| Haarg | and can't be used to sort | 20:29 |
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| @preaction | technical problems that can be resolved. could even organize metadata by site section | 20:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I think you're trying to fit square code in a round hole | 20:31 |
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| Haarg | also not indexed | 20:31 |
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| Haarg | well, metadata was originally created as a way to add arbitrary fields to assets | 20:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | personally, the concept of having less code (userDefined vs metadata) isn't bad at all, but they serve different purposes | 20:31 |
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| knowmad | Haarg: should `wgd intro`be sending out raw perldoc? | 20:32 |
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| knowmad | the one we installed last Friday is doing that for me; i'd have thought it'd format it | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | metadata was created so that sites could keep track of what users view on a site | 20:32 |
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| knowmad | it = the output | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | the AOI stuff | 20:32 |
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| Haarg | should look like a man page | 20:32 |
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| @preaction | they serve the same purpose with different caveats: They are both meta data. | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | then we started abusing it | 20:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, maybe "userDefined" fields should be per-asset metadata, rather than per-site metadata? | 20:33 |
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| knowmad | Haarg: ok | 20:33 |
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| scrottie | Haarg: a patch, if you want it. http://github.com/scrottie/wgdev/commit/d29b2e745d90df5116adfeeba26bddc42a7e14a3 | 20:33 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: we could make "Content Profiling" configurable enough to satisfy the use-case of userDefined fields. Collab, Calendar, etc could have a section to define which metadata fields are valid for their Post, Event, etc... | 20:35 |
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| scrottie | "Uses the root asses "... ooops. corrections needed. | 20:35 |
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| @preaction | userDefined gives functionality to us, the developers. there are other ways to do the same thing as userDefined fields allow | 20:36 |
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| Haarg | scrottie, i like the idea, but there are some things about the implementation that bug me | 20:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think so preaction. users use userDefined fields in the CS and never have to touch code | 20:37 |
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| scrottie | Haarg, I'm happy to hear your thoughts and may even implement them =) | 20:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | anyone who can edit an asset can add metadata, or edit a template to add userDefined fields | 20:39 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: but somebody has to set up the user defined fields, and then when user defined fields run out somebody has to hack JSON into them. if metadata were used, we would never have to do anything | 20:41 |
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| scrottie | "my $bar_continues_on_down = @child_nodes ? '| ' : ' ';" ... this logic doesn't seem to be working. everything gets a bar coming down from it regardless of whether there is a next sibling. hmm. | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: anyone who uses more than 5 userDefined fields really needs a different, customized asset. | 20:42 |
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| Haarg | but they often aren't willing to do that perlDreamer | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | 5? that sounds like an arbitrary number to me | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | i think it should be 10! | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | no, wait, 20! | 20:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's completely arbitrary | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | actually, i'm wrong, it should be 2 | 20:42 |
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| Haarg | it seems like the only way to accurately know if there are more siblings would be to render the tree in reverse | 20:42 |
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| * preaction hates arbitrary numbers | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes you just have to pick a number | 20:43 |
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| Haarg | as far as the things that bug me, --tree seems like a better name for it | 20:43 |
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| Haarg | should probably be split into separate subs | 20:43 |
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| Haarg | it leaks $show_tree | 20:44 |
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| scrottie | no, just doing that with the root node. hmm. | 20:44 |
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| @preaction | the problem with that arbitrary number is that it makes things easy until they are impossible. once you use userDefined5, you will never add another userDefined field. that's quite frustrating | 20:44 |
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| scrottie | it should print $show_tree, $show_tree does the printing. yeah, I'm finding nits still. | 20:44 |
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| @preaction | but if you're using metadata, you have all the fields you want and don't need to ask a developer to help | 20:44 |
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| elnino | frodwith are you the one I talk to about paying for a feature to be developed? | 20:49 |
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| elnino | hey preaction, http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/11804 is this something I can do with a sql report? | 20:51 |
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| @preaction | elnino: not quite. attachments are storage locations, and are not described fully in the database (you'd have to write a macro to list the contents of the storage location) | 20:52 |
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| @preaction | but besides that, yes | 20:52 |
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| elnino | does "approved" mean it's goign into 8.x? | 20:53 |
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| @preaction | no, approved is the same as it always was, anyone can put it in at any time | 20:54 |
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| @preaction | i'd love for it to be, but i believe 8.x is going to be refactoring every application webgui comes with, starting with the most-used apps | 20:54 |
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| elnino | and the difficulty of level 4 means? | 20:54 |
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| elnino | time required? or actuall difficult navigating around a bunch of code? | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | time required, 4 hours | 20:56 |
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| elnino | I have a customer that needs it "now" just trying to get a feel for this. just maybe I'll contribute something. =) | 20:57 |
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| @preaction | awesome! | 20:57 |
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| elnino | don't get too excited..=) we'll see. | 20:57 |
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| elnino | oh. again.. which payment processors does wg support? i'll writing a wiki page so I don'thave to ask anymore. | 21:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | ITransact, PayPal, PayPal Express, Ogone and Cash | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/ | 21:18 |
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| elnino | thank you. I'll write that wiki page now. =) | 21:19 |
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| scrottie | Haarg, http://github.com/scrottie/wgdev/commit/ad7f54412e36da21aee594977879057559268ba9, and I best be getting back to it here... after a quick snack. | 21:20 |
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| elnino | can someone add "payment" and "shop" to the "shop" umbrella on the wiki? | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | so, in hierarchy, you want shop/payment and shop/shop? | 21:32 |
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| elnino | well, the "keywould shop ones don't appear. (I tagged mine as "shop) and it's not appearing. So the "shop/shop" would really be "shop/generic info" | 21:33 |
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| elnino | sorry | 21:33 |
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| elnino | the keyword "shop" isn't appearing under the category/umbrella "shop" | 21:34 |
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| elnino | look at the wiki I created. | 21:34 |
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| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/wiki/supported-payment-drivers | 21:34 |
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| elnino | oh.. | 21:34 |
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| elnino | they have to be comma delimited... | 21:34 |
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| elnino | there it is. | 21:35 |
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| elnino | sorry. | 21:35 |
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| elnino | forget the "shop shop" =) | 21:36 |
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| elnino | forget the "shop payment" unless it makes sense. I couldn't think of a better term. | 21:36 |
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| elnino | I'm going. I created enough trouble. =( | 21:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | no harm done, elnino | 21:43 |
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| @preaction | we need people to shake things up, the more people shaking things up, the better stuff can be brought to the top | 21:44 |
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| * perlDreamer feels his eyeballs rattling in the sockets | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and hopes that he's moving up toward the top | 21:45 |
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| +danny_mk | I am still waiting to hear about auth improvements in 8.x.x | 21:47 |
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| @preaction | danny_mk: there are three tickets in the WebGUI 8 list that will improve the API without largely affecting backwards-compatibility | 21:50 |
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| +danny_mk | Do you know who is doing the work? | 21:50 |
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| @preaction | no | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | all i know is it will be done before API/Feature Freeze | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | it could very well end up being me | 21:51 |
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| +danny_mk | OK | 21:53 |
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| +bartjol | I'm as far as being able to compare tagnames :) | 22:00 |
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| +bartjol | almost there | 22:00 |
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| +bartjol | wl it gets empty messages, so everything is equal, luckily it was just to make a list :) | 22:17 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, will anybody here believe that there are only 9 duplicate messages in all the i18n tags? | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | yes, i was looking previously | 22:36 |
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| +bartjol | sure?, well ok | 22:37 |
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| +bartjol | I'll add it to the issue | 22:38 |
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| +bartjol | well, now I gotta go, still have to eat | 22:40 |
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| +bartjol | preaction, should I spot diffrences between WebGUI 8 and 7 in # of duplicates? | 22:42 |
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| @preaction | maybe, dunno | 22:42 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 22:43 |
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| +bartjol | well, I'll just run it, also on the dutch files and see what comes out | 22:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I want to kick around an idea with you, relating to header tags from dynamic forms being in the body. | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | if each form plugin had a method called getHeadTags, then things like DataForm and Thingy (which know which form plugins they use) could get all of them and set them in prepareView | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | this would guarantee they're put into the HEAD block, instead of the BODY | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | it would mean manual refactoring of all the Form plugins though | 23:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | which comes to 22 modules | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: well, it needs to be done. and that's a good way to do it | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, I'm getting old | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I just reinvented this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10333 | 00:03 |
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| scrottie | are we avoiding REPLACE INTO? | 02:01 |
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| @preaction | depends, is it SQL92? | 02:05 |
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| @preaction | or at least in the top three: mysql, postgres, sqlite | 02:06 |
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| @preaction | if we can work with those three, i'll be happy | 02:06 |
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| scrottie | yeah, no. at least not for the probably oldish Postgres I've got here. | 02:09 |
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| topsub | I'm trying to add a thingy to webgui 7.9.13 and i get these errors: http://pastebin.com/pxbSZXwv | 02:11 |
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| topsub | anyone have ideas? | 02:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, did you add a Thing to the Thingy? | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | Looks like it may have tried earlier, but failed | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | and without that, you're looking at symptoms, instead of cause | 02:13 |
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| topsub | I click to add a thiny | 02:15 |
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| topsub | thingy* | 02:15 |
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| topsub | then when i click add thing | 02:15 |
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| topsub | i get an error page | 02:15 |
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| topsub | When it errors out it does add a 'thing' but its called "Thing Name" | 02:17 |
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| topsub | when i click edit i get the error page again. So i'm confused about what happen | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | need to find out why it's erroring out when you add a thing | 02:18 |
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| topsub | i emailed william to have him send me the logs again. This is on his server | 02:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | does the database user have rights to add tables? | 02:19 |
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| topsub | I would have to speak with william about that | 02:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub, another thing to try would be to turn on debug mode, and see what Add Thing returns | 02:21 |
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| topsub | is this something i can do only using webgui? | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | totally | 02:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | Become an Admin | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | go to settings | 02:22 |
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| topsub | i don't have access to the server or command line | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it's in the Misc tab | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Enable Debug | 02:22 |
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| topsub | within thingy? | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, in the Admin Console settings screen | 02:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | brb | 02:23 |
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| topsub | i turned on debug then clicked add thing and this is what i got: | 02:23 |
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| topsub | http://pastebin.com/9zT3fb6k | 02:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | not much better... | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | my first guess is what I mentioned before, that the database user doesn't have create table privileges | 02:36 |
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| knowmad | I've a client who is having problems with Thingy. It's trying to run a statement from a table that doesn't exist. | 04:43 |
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| knowmad | i've run findBrokenAssets.pl with no errors | 04:44 |
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| knowmad | i've rebuilt the db | 04:44 |
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| knowmad | with no erros | 04:44 |
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| knowmad | all the Thingy tables are empty; i don't know where this bogus data is being stored | 04:44 |
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| knowmad | any ideas? | 04:44 |
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| @preaction | even Thingy_things is empty? | 04:51 |
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| knowmad | hey preaction, yes it is; with debugging enabled, we've found that there's an odd SQL request to a table called WebGUI::Form::MarketCheckList. Ever heard of that? | 04:52 |
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| @preaction | no, custom form field? | 04:53 |
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| @preaction | clear the cache? | 04:53 |
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| knowmad | tried the latter | 04:53 |
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| knowmad | we don't have an asset by that name; maybe a bad theme | 04:54 |
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| @preaction | was the thingy added from a package? | 04:54 |
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| knowmad | nope, just stock | 04:54 |
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| knowmad | but i think the error lies in the form asset that's trying to be loaded | 04:54 |
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| @preaction | WebGUI::Form::MarketCheckList would be lib/WebGUI/Form/MarketCheckList.pm | 04:54 |
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| knowmad | yep, checked and it's not | 04:55 |
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| @preaction | any directories in sbin/preload.custom? | 04:55 |
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| knowmad | yes! now i know what's loading it | 04:55 |
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| knowmad | it's another site but i'll have to look deeper to figure out what that's affecting this site | 04:56 |
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| knowmad | thanks! | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | form controls are global, and Thingy looks for all of them | 04:56 |
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| knowmad | and we've hard-coded the thingid for this form | 04:57 |
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| knowmad | anyway to tell Thingy to avoid loading a form control? | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | isDynamicCapable must return false iirc | 04:57 |
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| @preaction | that'll keep it out of Profile fields, Thingy, and DataForm | 04:57 |
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| knowmad | cool, one last question; how can i quickly check the domain name from a form control? | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | from the session. session->url->getSiteName iirc | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | or if you want something more trustworthy, session->config->getFileName iirc | 04:58 |
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| knowmad | thanks, that'll put me in the right direction! (still don't know the API) | 04:59 |
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| @preaction | yeah, it's too big. we're working on making it smaller ;) | 04:59 |
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| knowmad | YAY! | 04:59 |
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| @preaction | Plack, for example, does a lot of stuff for us. No more session->http. "var" is useless, merged with normal session. other stuff as well | 05:01 |
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| knowmad | preaction: looks like isDynamicCompatible is a class method; don't think i'll have a session at this level will I? | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | oh, then probably not no | 05:03 |
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| knowmad | also, i'm guessing this is called once when the control is loaded | 05:03 |
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| knowmad | i guess the only thing I can do is return a blank form control if we're not on the appropriate site | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | no, it's called every time the control class is checked for inclusion in Thingy, DataForm, Profile, or others | 05:04 |
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| knowmad | ok, so other ideas on how i can determine whether to return 1 or 0 based on the site being viewed? | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | you could try something in %ENV, but good luck there | 05:05 |
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| knowmad | i don't mind hard-coding the sitename into the control but as you can see, i don't know how to figure out what's calling | 05:05 |
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| knowmad | ok | 05:05 |
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| knowmad | i'll try it | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | you could ADD something to %ENV actually, that might be easier. Apache has "SetEnv" which applies to requests if it's in a <VirtualHost> block | 05:06 |
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| knowmad | Ohh! I like that idea | 05:06 |
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| knowmad | preaction: that worked! thanks for the help | 05:16 |
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| @preaction | np | 05:16 |
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| knowmad | in isDynamicCompatible, I set return 1 if $ENV{"FormControl_MarketCheckList"}; | 05:17 |
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| knowmad | in my modperl conf i set PerlSetEnv FormControl_MarketCheckList 1 | 05:17 |
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| SynQ | jo! | 10:44 |
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| SynQ | good morning | 10:45 |
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| ryuu_ro | morning | 10:45 |
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| SynQ | :) | 10:45 |
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| SynQ | no bart in sight? | 10:45 |
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| ryuu_ro | not yet | 10:45 |
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| SynQ | how would webgui perform on some ssd drives? | 10:46 |
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| SynQ | >:) | 10:47 |
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| ryuu_ro | there's only one way to find out | 10:47 |
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| SynQ | I know | 10:48 |
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| SynQ | I bet it works wonderfully | 10:48 |
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| SynQ | ah | 10:56 |
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| SynQ | good morning | 10:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 10:57 |
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| +bartjol | internet again? | 10:58 |
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| SynQ | sure thing | 11:01 |
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| SynQ | and what a fast internet it is | 11:02 |
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| +bartjol | any germans here? | 14:53 |
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| plainhao | nein | 14:57 |
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| plainhao | keine | 14:57 |
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| +bartjol | schade | 15:00 |
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| +bartjol | plainhao: we didn meet during the wuc, did we? | 15:06 |
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| +bartjol | or weren you there? | 15:06 |
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| plainhao | i have not attended a wuc | 15:10 |
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| +bartjol | waxhead? only slightly different from Hairgrease | 15:44 |
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| +bartjol | greasy business here | 15:44 |
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| waxhead | bartjol, it's a colloquialism for a surfer... | 15:45 |
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| waxhead | harkens back to a time long long ago... | 15:45 |
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| waxhead | when I lived on the coast and spent my youth surfing waves | 15:46 |
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| +bartjol | ah,well the Hairgrease is still present, it? a repelleant for people who want to touch his hair | 15:46 |
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| +bartjol | but, aha, thanks for the explanation | 15:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and it repels water as well! | 15:46 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, back to templating | 15:47 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:31 |
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| elnino | is the ukplayer normall come with wg? | 17:11 |
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| * elnino just found the wiki. | 17:11 |
| elnino | cool | 17:11 |
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| elnino | thanks uk! | 17:11 |
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| SDuensin | Hi guys. | 17:18 |
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| +bartjol | what? up SDuensin? | 17:22 |
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| SDuensin | Toying with WebGUI and some other crap. Too much tech, too little time. | 17:22 |
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| SDuensin | Did the Template Working Group stop working? What happened to that? | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | well, they are still alive | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | and they had a meeting last week | 17:23 |
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| SDuensin | Tell them I hate my forums. :-) | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | well | 17:23 |
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| +bartjol | then you must alter them :) | 17:24 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. No time at the moment. And my design "skillz" aren't the best. | 17:25 |
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| +bartjol | ah, designing... well, don ask my help | 17:31 |
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| SDuensin | Right now, I'm trying to decide if I want to build everything I'm missing for WebGUI (preferred, but not time effective) or *gasp* use something else for a few sites. :-( | 17:34 |
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| +bartjol | well it depends what you want and if there is a better alternative... well | 17:43 |
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| SDuensin | I want everything, of course. Typical user. :-D | 17:45 |
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| +bartjol | everything and yesterday | 17:46 |
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| +bartjol | mm, still no germans here | 17:47 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 17:47 |
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| SDuensin | I dunno man. I love WebGUI, but I keep running into problems. I realize nothing is perfect. | 17:48 |
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| +bartjol | and those problems aren an easy fix? | 17:49 |
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| +bartjol | custom macro here and there | 17:50 |
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| SDuensin | Some, yea. Others, not so much. I mean, I can go bolting other stuff to WebGUI to fill in the gaps. That seems to be the "de-facto" solution for everyone else. Sucks, IMHO. | 17:50 |
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| +bartjol | well, it is called a web application framework | 17:50 |
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| SDuensin | I offered to build a bud of mine a community site for his development project he's doing. He hates the forums. I'm not a big fan of the wiki. Just a bunch of little stuff. Kind of one of those "death by a thousand cuts" things with me right now. | 17:51 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, the collaboration system is a bit grown out of is shoes | 17:52 |
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| +bartjol | and it is hard to get a default right for everyone | 17:52 |
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| SDuensin | I've done the Drupal thing, Joomla, etc. They all miss what I believe are core features. Drupal's security system gets crazy for anything remotely complicated and Joomla...well, we'll just be nice and say I didn't like it. :-) | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | \so I understand yopur pain (and do have it myself) , but it hard to please evreyone | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | I know it is. I'm just venting. | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | that? ok\ | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | Been looking at TikiWiki a bit. It's pretty impressive but I can't determine if it's actually nicely assembled or just a patchwork of crap they bolted together. | 17:54 |
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| +bartjol | thin red line | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | Very. | 17:54 |
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| SDuensin | Dangerous one, too. | 17:55 |
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| +bartjol | I had it with my presentations by the way, last year internationalisation, which sucked back then (and is soso now, but had to make it myself) | 17:56 |
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| +bartjol | I don know tikiwiki | 17:56 |
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| SDuensin | I need to just carry out my threat to make WebGUI an authentication source on my LAN. Instead of it working with LDAP, make it *BE* LDAP. :-D | 17:56 |
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| SDuensin | TikiWiki is crazy. They've got about everything bolted on to it. | 17:57 |
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| +bartjol | well, when I read their initioal feature list, I thought: WG has that too, Wg has this too etc | 17:58 |
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| +bartjol | but implemantation can make a huge difference | 17:58 |
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| +bartjol | whoohoo, telephone: how do I add a page? | 18:07 |
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| +bartjol | perldreamer is a pastebin good enough? | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | oh sure dude | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm sure it's doing the right thing | 18:11 |
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| +bartjol | i?l clean it up a bit | 18:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | but if you want a double check I'd be happy to read it | 18:11 |
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| SDuensin | Crap. My video card reset. Reading scrollback. | 18:13 |
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| @preaction | SDuensin: if you've got the time, i've got the desire to overhaul nearly every application in webgui | 18:14 |
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| @preaction | some need only minor adjustments, such as Gallery. others need more major things, like creating a Blog and Forum asset to replace uses of Collaboration | 18:14 |
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| SDuensin | preaction: I wish my Perl-Fu was better to help. | 18:14 |
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| @preaction | ah, mais oui | 18:15 |
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| SynQ | good day | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, there are always things to do to help, for people of any skill level, but lots of desire | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | plus, we're willing to mentor | 18:15 |
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| SDuensin | For now, I think I'm just going to write some ugly glue to get BigBlueButton integrated. Gotta figure this stupid video driver out first. | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, SynQ! | 18:16 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, I know. You guys rock. Almost worked with you, remember? :-P | 18:16 |
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| SynQ | yo perlDreamer! | 18:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | are extra little Q's yet? | 18:16 |
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| SynQ | nope | 18:16 |
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| SynQ | still in the making | 18:16 |
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| SynQ | gotta go work on the attic some more | 18:18 |
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| SynQ | it's nearing completion | 18:18 |
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| +bartjol | http://webgui.pastebin.org/835319 | 18:24 |
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| +bartjol | and the sub comparion is called with the configFile | 18:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, rizen has a little too much time on his hands: http://blogs.perl.org/users/jt_smith/2010/09/perl-event-of-the-summer.html#comments | 18:24 |
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| +bartjol | there is some extra bogus code for testing in there though | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | commented most of it | 18:25 |
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| +bartjol | cleaned up the other script to get old i18n messages in other languages | 18:33 |
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| +bartjol | and also posted it | 18:34 |
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| +bartjol | I think they are ok, but, they produce differnt numbers than I get with a grep | 18:34 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, something is wrong with something between my laptop and the pastebin site | 18:42 |
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| ryuu_ro | bartjol: is it the user? | 18:42 |
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| +bartjol | no, I sit just outsie that traject | 18:43 |
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| ryuu_ro | :) | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | but, never forget that possibility | 18:43 |
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| ryuu_ro | PEBCAK dude | 18:43 |
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| +bartjol | aah, there it is | 18:44 |
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| +bartjol | 835389 | 18:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | ryuu_ro, no capitalized dutch swear words in channel, please | 18:45 |
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| ryuu_ro | :) | 18:45 |
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| SDuensin | This BBB API looks pretty simple. Are there facilities in WebGUI for dealing with REST APIs already? (Damn dev guide is at home again.) | 18:47 |
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| +bartjol | SDuensin: do you have polish speaking users? | 18:47 |
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| SDuensin | Nope. | 18:47 |
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| +bartjol | that tikiwiki easily switches between them | 18:48 |
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| +bartjol | it seems they think in categories, I? more object oriented | 18:48 |
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| SDuensin | Any progress on a 64-bit WRE? | 19:00 |
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| patspam | http://blog.patspam.com/2010/wuc-2010-post-conference-wrap | 19:00 |
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| ryuu_ro | thanks for the new australian word Pat :) | 19:01 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, chicken | 19:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | where's the dunny mate? | 19:03 |
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| patspam | :) | 19:03 |
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| @frodwith | So I'm futzing with a 7.6.24 webgui, and frowning at this problem. I have a script that gets the working version tag, changes its name, deletes some assets, and adds some new assets, then commits the tag. Problem is, after the tag gets committed, one of the assets the script created is still locked, no matter what I do. The tag is committed, but the asset is still locked under it. Anyone have a clue where to start looking? | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, make sure that the asset can be instanced | 19:04 |
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| @frodwith | aroo? | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: there's some left-over owsies from the WUC | 19:04 |
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| patspam | owsies? | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | a translation of WebGUI in your native tongue? | 19:05 |
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| patspam | heh I got out of that due to scheduling | 19:05 |
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| @frodwith | perlDreamer: what do you mean, make sure it can be instanced? | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith: due to table level problems, you can have an asset in a tag that can't be instanced | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | since it can't be instanced, it can't be operated on | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | like committing it | 19:06 |
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| @frodwith | this is a verb I'm not familiar with | 19:06 |
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| @frodwith | instanciated? | 19:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, someone wasn't paying attention during my WUC talk | 19:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | as long there's a roo on the barbie and all the gutless wonders are gone, no worries. | 19:07 |
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| @frodwith | I was paying attention to your webgui 8 assets talk | 19:07 |
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| @frodwith | very much attention! | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); # get an instance | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | instance => instanced => instanciated | 19:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway gotta go | 19:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | see ya | 19:08 |
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| @frodwith | okeydoke. just a nomenclature thing, never heard someone use 'instance' as a verb before ;) | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | crap! I'm inventing English again | 19:08 |
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| * bartjol thinks perlDreamer is still baffled by my horrible code | 19:08 |
| @frodwith | i'll make sure though. | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, it's not horrible | 19:08 |
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| +bartjol | therefore starts inventing english | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think it may count some things twice | 19:08 |
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| +bartjol | no, that is why I shift it out of that array | 19:09 |
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| +bartjol | allthough, if it is a triple duplicate it will get counted twice | 19:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's what I was thinking, but as long as it keeps track of where it's duplicated so we can clean it up, that's fine | 19:11 |
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| +bartjol | and there are not too much | 19:12 |
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| +bartjol | now, I gotta move on and get the locations in the code | 19:12 |
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| +bartjol | is this mostly to prevent problems during the flattening? | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, although it will make flattening easier | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | however, recalling Haarg's discussion from yesterday, he mainly added those WebGUI 8 ticket items as reminder for him to do things, rather than projects for people to take up | 19:16 |
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| +bartjol | I don believe there is an WebGUI API to add i18n tags, is there? | 19:16 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, well | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's just perl code | 19:17 |
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| +bartjol | would be nice to be able to delete them | 19:17 |
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| SDuensin | How's 8 coming? | 19:17 |
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| +bartjol | allthough that could require some trial and error | 19:17 |
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| +bartjol | I got it running | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: http://www.webgui.org/8 | 19:17 |
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| @frodwith | what's a state of 'trash-limbo' mean? | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | but, considering my extra interpretation of the issue, should I make another one? or include it in the current one | 19:18 |
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| @frodwith | child of a trashed asset? | 19:18 |
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| +bartjol | oh, yeah, that one is cool | 19:18 |
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| @khenn | is scrottie around? | 19:19 |
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| +bartjol | I remember having that once | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, that's it frodwith | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | khenn, it's a little early for scrottie | 19:19 |
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| @khenn | yeah I figured | 19:19 |
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| @khenn | thanks perlDreamer | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | he says he's in Arizona, but we tease him that he's physically in Hawaii | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, I'm 80% sure there are bugs with trying to commit assets in trash-limbo | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | in any version of WebGUI earlier than 7.8 | 19:20 |
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| @frodwith | i have no idea why it's in trash-limbo | 19:20 |
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| @frodwith | i didn't delete it | 19:20 |
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| @frodwith | *boggle* | 19:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | does it have a parent? | 19:21 |
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| @frodwith | hmm. this doesn't even seem to be the same asset | 19:22 |
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| @frodwith | i got it with newByUrl since i didn't know the id | 19:22 |
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| @frodwith | and some other asset has the same url, but it's in the trash | 19:22 |
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| @frodwith | this is a fine kettle of fish | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | shouldn't have the same URL | 19:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's supposed to be a unique key | 19:22 |
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| @frodwith | yes indeed | 19:22 |
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| @frodwith | ... it's parent is also in trash limbo, and -that- asset thinks its parent is the import node | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | much badness | 19:25 |
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| @frodwith | yeah, something is extremely screwy here | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, the assetHistory table may be of use to figure out what happened | 19:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | it records most asset work | 19:25 |
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| SDuensin | WRE is big. Guess I'll nap while it trickles down over my phone. | 19:28 |
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| SDuensin | I'm going to attempt to build a BBB module. Be warned. :-) | 19:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | Better Business Bureau? | 19:29 |
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| SDuensin | BigBlueButton | 19:29 |
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| +bartjol | it is a BBBOD | 19:30 |
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| ryuu_ro | hey bartjol, you heard perlDreamer, no capitalized dutch swearing! | 19:31 |
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| SDuensin | Shouldn't be too hard to write. There's only a few REST calls to implement to the BBB API. | 19:31 |
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| SDuensin | Maybe I can even put it on the MarketPlace for $5 or something. | 19:32 |
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| SDuensin | Probably just give it away. :-) | 19:32 |
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| +bartjol | MICROSOFT | 19:32 |
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| ryuu_ro | there you have it | 19:32 |
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| SDuensin | lol | 19:32 |
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| +bartjol | too easy | 19:33 |
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| SDuensin | No, bartjol, then there'd be seven different editions where only the most expensive one worked right. | 19:33 |
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| SDuensin | Er, "worked". Let's not add "right" to that. | 19:33 |
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| ryuu_ro | worked right? worked ok(ish) :) | 19:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | worked kinda sorta maybe but only on odd-numbered Sundays in months that end in y | 19:34 |
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| ryuu_ro | hehehe | 19:34 |
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| SDuensin | How come the longer this downloads, the more time is left? That's not good! | 19:41 |
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| +bartjol | ggrrrr | 19:42 |
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| SDuensin | I know. I want to get going before I lose this crazy streak. | 19:42 |
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| +bartjol | to determine where i18n tags are used I also need the db, since it might very well be that standard templates call on them with the i18n macro | 19:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | and in the user profile | 19:44 |
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| +bartjol | joy | 19:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | since profile field labels and values can be i18n'ed | 19:44 |
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| +bartjol | scripting and manual grepping/selecting might just be as easy as writing a script to do it for you | 19:45 |
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| +bartjol | loose the first scripting | 19:46 |
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| * SDuensin hands bartjol a few more "o"s in case he needs them. | 19:53 |
| SDuensin | Bored. Wish food was here. | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, that's entirely possible | 19:57 |
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| +bartjol | but for the several 1000? of deprecated i18n tags in other languages than English, it might not be | 19:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I thought that the i18n CGI was supposed to remove those | 19:59 |
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| +bartjol | apparently not | 20:01 |
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| +bartjol | I don see a sub that seems to do that, but it was a very quick glance | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're right | 20:07 |
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| +bartjol | well, I added a file that sums those tags up | 20:07 |
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| +bartjol | that might be used as a base for an extra sub in the i18n | 20:08 |
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| +bartjol | but people should stay out of there with their custom i18n files | 20:09 |
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| SDuensin | It's HERE! WRE time! | 20:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: any objection to me keeping a templates.txt doc, that lists template changes during upgrades and fixes? | 20:42 |
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| * perlDreamer repeats the ongoing gripe about debuggin JS in IE | 20:58 |
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| patspam | aircrack-ng++ | 21:07 |
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| ryuu_ro | pat: kiddly-winks = kids smiles? | 21:08 |
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| * scrottie0 thinks for a minute | 21:08 |
| patspam | ryuu_ro: if you'd said tiddly-winks I'd know what you were talking about.. but kiddly-winks? | 21:09 |
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| ryuu_ro | andy dropped it on me | 21:09 |
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| ryuu_ro | what are tiddly-winks then? | 21:09 |
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| patspam | it's a game | 21:09 |
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| ryuu_ro | ah | 21:09 |
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| ryuu_ro | probably not what he meant | 21:10 |
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| patspam | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywinks | 21:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam++ | 21:10 |
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| patspam | don't worry, often he just makes up words to confuse people ;) | 21:10 |
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| scrottie0 | huh, so that's what Tiddlywinks *really* is. | 21:11 |
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| ryuu_ro | he does a very good job | 21:11 |
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| scrottie0 | wgd needs to inform me of new email on IRC. | 21:13 |
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| SDuensin | scrottie, you could exist to write my BBB integration code for me. | 21:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | scrottie, you are a carbon based infestation on a small planet in sector 000 | 21:30 |
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| * SDuensin is still trying to make WebGUI run on his dev box. Dang slow CPAN! | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | just like the rest of us | 21:30 |
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| ryuu_ro | tit's all good as long as you don't forget your towel and don't panic | 21:31 |
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| * SDuensin is a hoopy frood who knows exactly where his towel is. | 21:31 |
| ryuu_ro | :) nice!! | 21:32 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r46c548d / (3 files in 3 dirs): Restore the lost changes to the JS and template for drag and drop sorting in IE7. - http://bit.ly/aTtT35 | 21:33 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb63fe8e / (3 files in 3 dirs): Updated to master branch. - http://bit.ly/a0p3yH | 21:33 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, what is CHI and why won't it install? | 21:33 |
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| ryuu_ro | I had the same problem | 21:34 |
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| ryuu_ro | install Test::Tester | 21:34 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r094b029 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Restore the lost changes to the JS and template for drag and drop sorting in IE7. - http://bit.ly/bULShA | 21:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin is the new, fast, awesome caching module | 21:34 |
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| ryuu_ro | and then something like Test::Log::Dispatch does the work | 21:34 |
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| ryuu_ro | I was supposed to write a wiki or dev mail about this, but I forgot it, sorry preaction :( | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | we should file a bug against CHI, on CPAN | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it would be nice to have a wiki page for it | 21:35 |
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| SDuensin | ryuu_ro: Thanks, man. Fixed it right up! | 21:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | no problem | 21:36 |
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| ryuu_ro | I'm gonna work on it perlDreamer, I installed webgui8 for the 9th time now and finally everything works so I'm gonna share | 21:37 |
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| SDuensin | Sweet. | 21:37 |
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| ryuu_ro | anybody interested in a Parallels WebGUI8 template? | 21:37 |
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| SDuensin | VMware guy here. :-P | 21:38 |
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| ryuu_ro | we can never meet :D | 21:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | speaking of VMware, we need to update the VMware image for WebGUI | 21:38 |
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| SDuensin | Although, I am moving my servers from VMware to KVM/Ganeti. | 21:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | does KVM/Ganeti also work on Xen/Ganeti? | 21:40 |
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| SDuensin | KVM replaces Xen. I was never able to make Xen work. | 21:41 |
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| ryuu_ro | ah ok | 21:41 |
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| SDuensin | I don't do paravirtulization anyway, so KVM with full OSs inside is fine for me. | 21:41 |
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| ryuu_ro | sure thing | 21:42 |
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| ryuu_ro | SDuensin: are you installing webgui8 on a new and clean wre0.9.3? | 21:43 |
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| SDuensin | Not 8. Whatever the WRE downloads for me. I need to write a module. | 21:44 |
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| ryuu_ro | ah ok | 21:44 |
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| SDuensin | (Since I haven't been able to talk anyone else into doing it!) | 21:44 |
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| ryuu_ro | I thought the Test::Tester problem was WebGUI 8 related | 21:45 |
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| SDuensin | 7.9.13-stable is what I have. | 21:45 |
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| SDuensin | testEnvironment was unable to install CHI. | 21:46 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, it's running. Just in time for my meeting. | 21:49 |
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| SDuensin | With luck, I'll get to break/work on it later. | 21:50 |
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| ryuu_ro | perlDreamer: should I report the bug about Test::Tester to the author of CHI? | 21:52 |
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| ryuu_ro | or is it WRE related? | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would, although it could be coming from an upstream dependency | 21:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | it is not WRE related | 21:52 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok | 21:52 |
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| ryuu_ro | I'm gonna report it and see what happens | 21:53 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5608a43 / (6 files in 6 dirs): | 21:58 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: topStory template variables should be available in standAlone and not standAlone | 21:58 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: modes. Added template variables for delete and edit icons for the top story. | 21:58 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Updated the tests, template and template variable help. Fixes bug #11851. - | 21:58 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: http://bit.ly/cpTpu4 | 21:58 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, I remembering something about command line bug reporting for perl modules. Can somebody give me a direction? | 21:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it perlbug? | 21:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe that's just for the perl core | 21:59 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re5b4fff / (6 files in 6 dirs): | 21:59 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: topStory template variables should be available in standAlone and not standAlone | 21:59 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: modes. Added template variables for delete and edit icons for the top story. | 21:59 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: Updated the tests, template and template variable help. Fixes bug #11851. - | 21:59 |
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| CIA-21 | webgui: http://bit.ly/cbqGRn | 21:59 |
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| ryuu_ro | hmm, I guess it was so no, I can't use command line then :) | 21:59 |
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| * perlDreamer breaks for lunch | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 22:06 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok CHI bug reported | 22:13 |
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| SDuensin | Everybody hiding? | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | nope, I'm here | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | had to play an emergency game of foosball with the kiddos | 01:07 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I spend 10 minutes with them when they come home, they're happy all afternoon | 01:07 |
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| SDuensin | Nice | 01:08 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, I've decided I should write a wobject instead of just an asset. Is there already something loaded that I should use to do REST/XML kinda stuff? | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | for XML, WebGUI uses XML::PurePP, and XML::Simple | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | afaik, nothing else in WebGUI does REST | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | sorry, XML::TreePP | 01:09 |
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| SDuensin | It'd be enough to just be able to do something like: resultXML = httpGet("someURL?and=crap") | 01:10 |
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| SDuensin | What's being used for syndication? | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | XML::FeedPP | 01:11 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, so that's not much help. | 01:12 |
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| @preaction | LWP::Simple + XML::Simple = my $xmlAsHash = xmlIn( get( "someurl" ) ) | 01:14 |
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| SDuensin | Ooooooooo | 01:15 |
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| SDuensin | That is ::Simple! | 01:15 |
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| @preaction | XML::Simple does strange things to more advanced XML, so be careful there | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, you can say that again | 01:15 |
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| SDuensin | This is really simple XML. | 01:16 |
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| SDuensin | Basically result codes and a few lists. | 01:16 |
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| @preaction | as long as it doesn't do something like <elem attr="value"><attr>Other Value</attr></elem> you'll probably be fine (note that "attr" and "attr" are the same) | 01:17 |
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| SDuensin | Not even sure it uses attributes. | 01:18 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, I don't see any. | 01:19 |
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| SDuensin | I may not even need a database for this first version. :-) | 01:21 |
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| @preaction | eh, just saying if you don't get the data structure you expect, it's probably XMLin screwing things up | 01:21 |
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| SDuensin | This is the most complicated thing I see (look at the return value): http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/API#Get_Meeting_Info_(getMeetingInfo) | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | if you work hard enough, you can bend XMLin to your will | 01:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's difficult, and fragile | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | so yes, it's good for a v1, but when you decide to release the code to other people, you should probably move to a more proper parser like TreePP | 01:24 |
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| SDuensin | TreePP has a parsehttp method. That'll work. | 01:25 |
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| SDuensin | Thanks guys. | 01:31 |
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| @scrottie | XML::Simple really needs ForceArray => 1... otherwise the apparent shape of the data changes. | 01:48 |
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| @scrottie | it's better to have arrays of one element than to have something that's sometimes a scalar and sometimes an array. | 01:49 |
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| @scrottie | looks like XML::TreePP has the same problem. that's too bad. | 01:49 |
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| SDuensin | :-/ | 01:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! Image based hoverhelp is working | 02:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | now all I need to do is get a search interface for the IRC logs up and running, and I'll be all caught up from the WUC | 02:58 |
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| SDuensin | Congrats. I'm trying to get the very early stages of my Wobject written. | 03:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, start with the wobject skeleton | 03:25 |
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| scrottie0 | huh, XML::Simple is a prereq. I thought that module was universally scorned. good. my stupid importer thingy uses it. | 03:40 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, the skeleton.minimum is what I started with. | 04:36 |
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| SDuensin | I'll be hauling my DevGuide with me to my "real" job tomorrow. | 04:38 |
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| scrottie0 | er... | 05:07 |
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| * scrottie0 & | 05:07 |
| SDuensin | fg | 05:10 |
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| SDuensin | See, that's why there's no stand-up UNIX humor. Just doesn't work. | 05:10 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk: you are also maintaining the Spanish translation, right? | 15:39 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Yep | 15:40 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: I check it about every other week | 15:40 |
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| +bartjol | ah, would you have a look for me at a file | 15:40 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Sure, which one? | 15:40 |
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| +bartjol | it is about duplicate entries | 15:40 |
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| +bartjol | one moment searching url | 15:40 |
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| +bartjol | on http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/11713 | 15:41 |
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| +bartjol | on the right side the duplicatesSpanish.txt | 15:41 |
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| +bartjol | the question is, would they really be duplicates in Spansih | 15:41 |
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| +bartjol | ? | 15:41 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: At first glance, all seem to be duplicates except WebGUI.556 and Asset_Product.quantity | 15:45 |
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| SquOnk | In spanish "cantidad" can be used to mean quantity, amount and number | 15:45 |
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| SquOnk | So, depending of WebGUI.556's context it could be a duplicate. | 15:46 |
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| +bartjol | ok, I'll add this as a comment, to be sure I check this, I'll go looking for the uses | 15:46 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Great | 15:49 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Are we moving to a proper i18n handling via .po files? | 15:49 |
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| +bartjol | I don't know, I'm just there to detect duplicates | 15:51 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: I see. | 15:51 |
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| +bartjol | they will be moving to another system, but not shortly | 15:51 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Right now, the current i18n implementation takes LOTS of memory, specially if one has several languages installed. | 15:51 |
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| +bartjol | also, there are a bunch of deprecated i18n tags in all languages accept English | 15:52 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Moving to gettext will reduce the memory footprint and enhance performance. | 15:52 |
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| +bartjol | +/- 800 per language | 15:52 |
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| +bartjol | well, I can support that | 15:52 |
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| +bartjol | is that an existing path webgui is gonna take, or a wish from you? | 15:52 |
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| +bartjol | the plack demo looked quite fast already | 15:53 |
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| +bartjol | plack-starman | 15:53 |
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| +bartjol | and on my laptop 8 feels faster than 7 | 15:53 |
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| +bartjol | less functionality though | 15:54 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: I've talked about it with perldreamer and preaction. | 15:54 |
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| SquOnk | There... spanish at 100% again. | 15:54 |
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| +bartjol | haarg is also working on it afaik , at leat with the rebuild of the translation server | 15:54 |
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| SquOnk | Just in time for 7.9.14 and (hopefully) Debian Squeeze :-) | 15:54 |
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| +bartjol | :) | 15:55 |
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| +bartjol | problem with the list is that it searches for exact strings, so trailing spaces are not taken into account | 16:00 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:39 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:55 |
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| SDuensin | Yea! People! :-) | 16:56 |
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| +bartjol | are you sure, you never seen me in flesh | 16:57 |
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| SDuensin | At this point, it doesn't matter. I'd settle for a good bot. | 16:58 |
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| +bartjol | so what do you want to select from my database? | 16:59 |
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| SDuensin | I'm reading the DevGuide, so that's likely the beginning of my problems... :-D I don't quite get how prepareView() works with a Wobject that has multiple view templates. | 17:00 |
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| +bartjol | what module is that function in, and where in the dev guide? | 17:01 |
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| SDuensin | The module I'm attempting to write based on _Wobject.skeleton.minimal and page, uh, 182? | 17:02 |
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| +bartjol | whoa, the pages are the same | 17:04 |
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| SDuensin | ? | 17:04 |
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| +bartjol | 182 | 17:04 |
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| SDuensin | Wow. We have the exact same book? Amazing. | 17:05 |
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| +bartjol | so you mean like a cs that had for instance a thread and a cs view? | 17:05 |
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| +bartjol | because threads and cs's are different assets | 17:05 |
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| +bartjol | eeeh, forget the word because | 17:06 |
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| +bartjol | so only 1 view would be prepared in this case | 17:06 |
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| SDuensin | I think so. Or, in my case, a list of crap and a screen to add new crap. Where "crap" isn't actually stored by WebGUI. | 17:06 |
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| +bartjol | ah, that edit screen will have a different template I guess | 17:07 |
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| SDuensin | I want to build a WebGUI-based UI using WebGUI users and security to connect to BigBlueButton: http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/API | 17:08 |
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| SDuensin | Basically, I want a simple configuration screen for the admin, the Wobject output is a list of available conferences and a couple details about them. Moderators can create new conferences or remove existing ones. General users can join existing ones. No fancier than that. | 17:11 |
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| +bartjol | well, I'd just look at other Wobjects how they use it | 17:15 |
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| +bartjol | better stolen properly than made poorly | 17:15 |
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| SDuensin | I have been. | 17:15 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 17:15 |
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| +bartjol | I haven't yet | 17:15 |
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| +bartjol | as far as I can see, there is put a toolbar and some metadata into the template | 17:18 |
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| +bartjol | or per view function, but probably one kind of request should just call one view type | 17:19 |
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| +bartjol | so multiple becomes single :) | 17:19 |
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| +bartjol | but that is my quick interpretation | 17:19 |
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| +bartjol | or in the www_view method, there is already info on what should be shown, therefore just selecting 1 view | 17:21 |
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| +bartjol | in f.i. the shortcut it looks that way | 17:21 |
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| +bartjol | but if someone says otherwise, doubt my words (but theirs too) | 17:22 |
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| +bartjol | ryuu_ro: you made more assets than I did, am I correct | 17:23 |
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| ryuu_ro | you are correct | 17:23 |
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| * SDuensin is worrying about one view at a time for now. | 17:26 |
| +bartjol | ok, that is clear, you need different subs for different views | 17:28 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, I got that part. | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | I asked rory | 17:28 |
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| +bartjol | he is in the next office | 17:28 |
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| @preaction | SDuensin: other views usually don't have prepareView, because they don't have the separation between view and www_view. prepareView is just there to put head tags in the head block when the asset is being used in a Layout | 17:29 |
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| ryuu_ro | or the previous office depending where you are at the moment :) | 17:29 |
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| SDuensin | I've done this before. Dunno what's wrong with my brain today. | 17:30 |
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| +bartjol | does it leak? | 17:31 |
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| patspam | mornin' | 17:35 |
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| +bartjol | Howdy, mate | 17:35 |
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| patspam | goedemorgen | 17:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | nice! | 17:36 |
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| patspam | or I guess Goedenavond for you..? | 17:36 |
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| ryuu_ro | almost | 17:36 |
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| +bartjol | voor jullie | 17:36 |
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| +bartjol | but still, very good | 17:36 |
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| patspam | I found the oqapi office on foursquare the other day | 17:37 |
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| +bartjol | not google street view? | 17:37 |
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| patspam | I saw Rory checking in, I think he's gunning to be mayor | 17:38 |
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| +bartjol | gunning? he shoots everybody, so he is the only one and is allowed to be the boss? | 17:39 |
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| patspam | that would work.. | 17:40 |
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| +bartjol | guns aren't allowed here | 17:40 |
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| ryuu_ro | seriously, I created the Oqapi office and the only one checking in | 17:40 |
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| ryuu_ro | but still no mayor yet :( | 17:40 |
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| patspam | heh yeah, i think there's a minimum number of times you have to check in :) | 17:41 |
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| ryuu_ro | I'm also not the mayor of my own home, Lisa is :) | 17:41 |
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| +bartjol | strange stuff, sounds like a facebook game | 17:41 |
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| patspam | apparently you need to go there twice on two separate days..? | 17:42 |
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| patspam | ryuu_ro: you should get joeri to claim the business.. then he can offer foursquare specials to people who check in ;) | 17:44 |
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| ryuu_ro | everybody who checks in for the fifth time, get a free cup of nespresso Forte | 17:45 |
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| patspam | andyiomoon indahouse | 17:48 |
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| +bartjol | well, I don't provide more services outside the beer cooling on fryday | 17:53 |
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| ryuu_ro | so guys, time to go home :) | 18:03 |
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| +bartjol | Haarg: has it any use for me to alter the translationserver cgi to let it remove removed tags in other languages? | 18:11 |
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| +bartjol | or are you changing it anyway | 18:11 |
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| SDuensin | OK, now that stupidity is done here, back to my Wobject. | 18:11 |
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| xdanger | yey! after few hour of cpan, webgui8 runs! BUAHAHAHAH | 18:50 |
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| +bartjol | few hours? oh yeah, I used my 7 wre, that makes quite some difference | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | but, very good | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | it took me quite some time as well | 18:51 |
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| xdanger | love the new debug, like the new admin console | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, but in my site it isn't working yet (or I have the wrong template) | 18:52 |
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| xdanger | I had to install a new perl (5.12.1) on my mac os x | 18:52 |
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| +bartjol | aaah | 18:52 |
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| xdanger | I don't like wre that much =) | 18:52 |
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| xdanger | but macports to the rescue | 18:53 |
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| xdanger | I could have just runned the systems 5.10.1, but I wanted the new and shiny | 18:53 |
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| xdanger | hacked a i18n addition that list every i18n get call with a url to i18n.webgui.org to that line when debug is on =) | 18:54 |
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| +bartjol | oh, that might be usefull | 18:56 |
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| +bartjol | but it actually refers to a tag on i18n.webgui.org | 18:56 |
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| +bartjol | ? | 18:56 |
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| xdanger | yes | 18:57 |
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| xdanger | but it's quite a hack, on 7.9.13 | 18:57 |
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| +bartjol | cool so translating in context will be possible | 18:57 |
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| +bartjol | I can believe | 18:57 |
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| +bartjol | the url's in i18n.webgui.org are quite flat | 18:57 |
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| xdanger | I was thinking about deploying my own translation server that links to the running webguis translations and loads the changes via Apache2::Reload | 18:58 |
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| +bartjol | sounds almost like a dynamic i18n CDN functionality (performance will not get better though) | 18:59 |
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| xdanger | I wasn't going to run that on my main server | 19:00 |
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| +bartjol | do you do an upkeep for a specific language | 19:00 |
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| +bartjol | :)\ | 19:00 |
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| xdanger | I'm not that crazy =) | 19:00 |
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| xdanger | Finnish | 19:00 |
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| xdanger | but I have a clie
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